That would be a faux poo faux pas

--- In vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com, lonehichillbilly@... wrote:
>
>
>      Yeah, especially when someone tries to use it...LOL.
>
> Jim
> N. Carolina
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Brian wrote:  << Maybe I'll start work on a faux dump station! >>

Haha that would be hilarious -- getting the trailer positioned, getting on the
gloves, getting out the stinky slinky, uncapping the 3" blackwater, getting the
hose hooked up, running it out, opening the faux dumpstation cap -- whoops! Just
a smiley face in there lookin' back atcha? Better keep it locked ("out of
service") to avoid some careless fool dumping anyway.

I once had a hand letter sign (made in the scenic department of a studio) in
"nat'l park brown" fixed in front of my house on the Santa Monica Beach
boardwalk (north of the Pier).  It read: Ojibway Indian Caves. On this spot, the
Ojibway Indians held their war councils."
Even the LA Times reported it to be true when they did a profile on the several
miles of boardwalk in Santa Monica.

But that faux utility pole is really terrific, I gotta say.  Bravo! Good job
well done.

Michael

That is really funny!!!!  I think it would drive people crazy that
there was only one!  Clever idea!
Carolyn


On Nov 12, 2009, at 6:15 AM, cindenlou wrote:

> your album is empty, but it sounds like a hoot. something i would
> like to do for 'jammin @ hippie jacks'
>
> --- In vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com, "gipsygman"
> <gipsygman@...> wrote:
> >
> > I got an idea from a friend, but then built on his concept. It's a
> fake utility post to use when boondocking(I go to a lot of music
> festival and we have NO utilities, EVER). It looks just like a
> utilty post that you would find at any trailer park or campground. I
> started with 3 feet of pressure treated 4X4, carved up the top, to
> make it look fancy, and then added elecrtic, water, phone and even
> cable. On the bottom, I glued a 3/8" round metal spike about 8" up
> inside and left a foot or so to stick in the ground. I added a small
> candle lantern to the top and fitted it with a 12 volt amber LED
> light. It's wired into the outlet which I backfed off of the campers
> 12 V socket that I installed underneath the camper. I am an
> electrician by trade, so friends have come to expect me to have cool
> electric toys. The funny thing is that I have a BS line worked up,
> so as to explain why "I" am the only one with hook-ups. Sometimes I
> tell people that there are more than one site like mine and send
> them off in search of the others. I have volunteered to charge cell
> phones, camcorders and ipods, then plug them into my generator, when
> they are not looking. It has been soooo much fun and I only got to
> use it 3 times.... so far.
> > Like the title says, you can find a file by this name with a few
> pics. If anyone else makes one, please feel free to add your pics.
> >
>
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yeah, especially when someone tries to use it...LOL.

Jim
N. Carolina


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

That's absolutely great!  Starts the mind a thinkin'.  Maybe I'll start work on
a faux dump station!  This could be fun...

--- In vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com, "gipsygman" <gipsygman@...> wrote:
>
> I got an idea from a friend, but then built on his concept. It's a fake
utility post to use when boondocking(I go to a lot of music festival and we have
NO utilities, EVER). It looks just like a utilty post that you would find at any
trailer park or campground. I started with 3 feet of pressure treated 4X4,
carved up the top, to make it look fancy, and then added elecrtic, water, phone
and even cable. On the bottom, I glued a 3/8" round metal spike about 8" up
inside and left a foot or so to stick in the ground. I added a small candle
lantern to the top and fitted it with a 12 volt amber LED light. It's wired into
the outlet which I backfed off of the campers 12 V socket that I installed
underneath the camper. I am an electrician by trade, so friends have come to
expect me to have cool electric toys. The funny thing is that I have a BS line
worked up, so as to explain why "I" am the only one with hook-ups. Sometimes I
tell people that there are more than one site like mine and send them off in
search of the others. I have volunteered to charge cell phones, camcorders and
ipods, then plug them into my generator, when they are not looking. It has been
soooo much fun and I only got to use it 3 times.... so far.
> Like the title says, you can find a file by this name with a few pics. If
anyone else makes one, please feel free to add your pics.
>

So none of it works - right, it is all for show?



What a hoot.



I could see how you could have fun with that!



BJ


----- Original Message -----
From: "gipsygman" <gipsygman@...>
To: vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 4:02:59 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Vintage Trailer Club] Re: faux utility post - pictures posted

 




they must have been "waiting approval" when you looked. I check out the folder
and they are there now.

--- In vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com , "BJ Frantz" <bjfrantz@...> wrote:
>
> You BIG Tease ---- there are no pics in the folder!!!
>
> Please add so we can see your handywork.
>
> BJ
>
> --- In vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com , "gipsygman" <gipsygman@> wrote:
> >
> > I got an idea from a friend, but then built on his concept. It's a fake
utility post to use when boondocking(I go to a lot of music festival and we have
NO utilities, EVER). It looks just like a utilty post that you would find at any
trailer park or campground. I started with 3 feet of pressure treated 4X4,
carved up the top, to make it look fancy, and then added elecrtic, water, phone
and even cable. On the bottom, I glued a 3/8" round metal spike about 8" up
inside and left a foot or so to stick in the ground. I added a small candle
lantern to the top and fitted it with a 12 volt amber LED light. It's wired into
the outlet which I backfed off of the campers 12 V socket that I installed
underneath the camper. I am an electrician by trade, so friends have come to
expect me to have cool electric toys. The funny thing is that I have a BS line
worked up, so as to explain why "I" am the only one with hook-ups. Sometimes I
tell people that there are more than one site like mine and send them off in
search of the others. I have volunteered to charge cell phones, camcorders and
ipods, then plug them into my generator, when they are not looking. It has been
soooo much fun and I only got to use it 3 times.... so far.
> > Like the title says, you can find a file by this name with a few pics. If
anyone else makes one, please feel free to add your pics.
> >
>




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

they must have been "waiting approval" when you looked. I check out the folder
and they are there now.

--- In vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com, "BJ Frantz" <bjfrantz@...> wrote:
>
> You BIG Tease ---- there are no pics in the folder!!!
>
> Please add so we can see your handywork.
>
> BJ
>
> --- In vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com, "gipsygman" <gipsygman@> wrote:
> >
> > I got an idea from a friend, but then built on his concept. It's a fake
utility post to use when boondocking(I go to a lot of music festival and we have
NO utilities, EVER). It looks just like a utilty post that you would find at any
trailer park or campground. I started with 3 feet of pressure treated 4X4,
carved up the top, to make it look fancy, and then added elecrtic, water, phone
and even cable. On the bottom, I glued a 3/8" round metal spike about 8" up
inside and left a foot or so to stick in the ground. I added a small candle
lantern to the top and fitted it with a 12 volt amber LED light. It's wired into
the outlet which I backfed off of the campers 12 V socket that I installed
underneath the camper. I am an electrician by trade, so friends have come to
expect me to have cool electric toys. The funny thing is that I have a BS line
worked up, so as to explain why "I" am the only one with hook-ups. Sometimes I
tell people that there are more than one site like mine and send them off in
search of the others. I have volunteered to charge cell phones, camcorders and
ipods, then plug them into my generator, when they are not looking. It has been
soooo much fun and I only got to use it 3 times.... so far.
> > Like the title says, you can find a file by this name with a few pics. If
anyone else makes one, please feel free to add your pics.
> >
>

your album is empty, but it sounds like a hoot. something i would like to do for
'jammin @ hippie jacks'



--- In vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com, "gipsygman" <gipsygman@...> wrote:
>
> I got an idea from a friend, but then built on his concept. It's a fake
utility post to use when boondocking(I go to a lot of music festival and we have
NO utilities, EVER). It looks just like a utilty post that you would find at any
trailer park or campground. I started with 3 feet of pressure treated 4X4,
carved up the top, to make it look fancy, and then added elecrtic, water, phone
and even cable. On the bottom, I glued a 3/8" round metal spike about 8" up
inside and left a foot or so to stick in the ground. I added a small candle
lantern to the top and fitted it with a 12 volt amber LED light. It's wired into
the outlet which I backfed off of the campers 12 V socket that I installed
underneath the camper. I am an electrician by trade, so friends have come to
expect me to have cool electric toys. The funny thing is that I have a BS line
worked up, so as to explain why "I" am the only one with hook-ups. Sometimes I
tell people that there are more than one site like mine and send them off in
search of the others. I have volunteered to charge cell phones, camcorders and
ipods, then plug them into my generator, when they are not looking. It has been
soooo much fun and I only got to use it 3 times.... so far.
> Like the title says, you can find a file by this name with a few pics. If
anyone else makes one, please feel free to add your pics.
>

Hey Linda - I've been keeping up with this thread, yearning for my own travel
trailer. The seller called on Saturday morning and told us that he had to work
the entire weekend, so we rescheduled for tomorrow morning. I already have a
trip planned with the travel trailer for November (San Luis Ob/Morro Bay), so
wish us luck tomorrow :) Smoke-free, no leaks, smoke-free, no leaks. That's the
chant I am saying this evening!

Thank you for asking :)

Maria

--- In vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com, versa3@... wrote:
>
> Maria,
>
> Did you get your Fireball?
>
> Linda
>
> --- In vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com, "maria_bettina" <maria_bettina@>
wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone!  I am new to this forum and to trailering. We are looking at a
'66 Fireball on Saturday, and the ad says it's a 16'. Has a bathroom, queen bed,
bunk beds, frig, wood paneling, and the original propane lights. Sounds like
everything is stock 'cept for the frig (read: nothing done to it; not restored).
I have two questions:
> >
> > 1) What would a trailer of this vintage be worth, assuming the body is still
in good shape and no changes have been done to the interior. Are we talking $500
or $5000. Ballpark it for me, please!
> >
> > 2) Does anyone know what the weight of a '66 Fireball is?  Could a V6
4Runner pull it (5000 pound towing capacity)?
> >
> > I am hoping we are going to be the new owners of a '66 Fireball as of
Saturday!  Wish us luck :-)
> >
> > -Maria
> >
>

Hey Linda - Thanks for asking about that. No, we didn't buy it. We drove out to
see it this morning (the guys cancelled on us last Saturday), and it had some
leak damage, the floors were warped, some of the metal underneath the trailer
needed welding, but the deal-breaker was the seller was doing "fixes" that were
half-arsed.

So, we're still looking...  :-)

Maria

--- In vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com, versa3@... wrote:
>
> Maria,
>
> Did you get your Fireball?
>
> Linda
>
> --- In vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com, "maria_bettina" <maria_bettina@>
wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone!  I am new to this forum and to trailering. We are looking at a
'66 Fireball on Saturday, and the ad says it's a 16'. Has a bathroom, queen bed,
bunk beds, frig, wood paneling, and the original propane lights. Sounds like
everything is stock 'cept for the frig (read: nothing done to it; not restored).
I have two questions:
> >
> > 1) What would a trailer of this vintage be worth, assuming the body is still
in good shape and no changes have been done to the interior. Are we talking $500
or $5000. Ballpark it for me, please!
> >
> > 2) Does anyone know what the weight of a '66 Fireball is?  Could a V6
4Runner pull it (5000 pound towing capacity)?
> >
> > I am hoping we are going to be the new owners of a '66 Fireball as of
Saturday!  Wish us luck :-)
> >
> > -Maria
> >
>

I found an empty file folder Gary....  That's a really awful thing to  do
by the way... What a great idea ;c)

C


In a message dated 11/12/2009 5:45:00 A.M. Central Standard Time,
vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com writes:

Like  the title says, you can find a file by this name with a few pics. If
anyone  else makes one, please feel free to add your  pics.



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You BIG Tease ---- there are no pics in the folder!!!

Please add so we can see your handywork.

BJ

--- In vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com, "gipsygman" <gipsygman@...> wrote:
>
> I got an idea from a friend, but then built on his concept. It's a fake
utility post to use when boondocking(I go to a lot of music festival and we have
NO utilities, EVER). It looks just like a utilty post that you would find at any
trailer park or campground. I started with 3 feet of pressure treated 4X4,
carved up the top, to make it look fancy, and then added elecrtic, water, phone
and even cable. On the bottom, I glued a 3/8" round metal spike about 8" up
inside and left a foot or so to stick in the ground. I added a small candle
lantern to the top and fitted it with a 12 volt amber LED light. It's wired into
the outlet which I backfed off of the campers 12 V socket that I installed
underneath the camper. I am an electrician by trade, so friends have come to
expect me to have cool electric toys. The funny thing is that I have a BS line
worked up, so as to explain why "I" am the only one with hook-ups. Sometimes I
tell people that there are more than one site like mine and send them off in
search of the others. I have volunteered to charge cell phones, camcorders and
ipods, then plug them into my generator, when they are not looking. It has been
soooo much fun and I only got to use it 3 times.... so far.
> Like the title says, you can find a file by this name with a few pics. If
anyone else makes one, please feel free to add your pics.
>

I got an idea from a friend, but then built on his concept. It's a fake utility
post to use when boondocking(I go to a lot of music festival and we have NO
utilities, EVER). It looks just like a utilty post that you would find at any
trailer park or campground. I started with 3 feet of pressure treated 4X4,
carved up the top, to make it look fancy, and then added elecrtic, water, phone
and even cable. On the bottom, I glued a 3/8" round metal spike about 8" up
inside and left a foot or so to stick in the ground. I added a small candle
lantern to the top and fitted it with a 12 volt amber LED light. It's wired into
the outlet which I backfed off of the campers 12 V socket that I installed
underneath the camper. I am an electrician by trade, so friends have come to
expect me to have cool electric toys. The funny thing is that I have a BS line
worked up, so as to explain why "I" am the only one with hook-ups. Sometimes I
tell people that there are more than one site like mine and send them off in
search of the others. I have volunteered to charge cell phones, camcorders and
ipods, then plug them into my generator, when they are not looking. It has been
soooo much fun and I only got to use it 3 times.... so far.
Like the title says, you can find a file by this name with a few pics. If anyone
else makes one, please feel free to add your pics.

My Cardinal does not have an oven, instead that space is cabinet and pressurized
water system. I grew up using a camper oven (parents vintage camper which was
new at the time) and agree that it can't be beat. But my question is because of
storage space, which of the two do you use- microwave or conventional or
convection oven? We don't want to remove the original equipment or the placement
of anything that will eventually need to be replaced.

I do a lot of cooking on our Coleman and did that even when we had our huge
newer trailer.

Thank you all for your input. We're several weeks away from our first real trip.
Last night my eldest (32) was here and we BBQ'd sitting outside of the Cardinal
in the driveway.  Well, it FELT like we were camping......

Linda

--- In vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com, peppers.bonniesean@... wrote:
>
> Hear hear. Brian. Sean
> Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "bcanary5958" <bcanary5958@...>
> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:37:44
> To: <vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vintage Trailer Club] Re: 1966 Fireball - Needs Specs-now 66
Cardinal too
>
> Linda,
>
> Perhaps I am defying convention here, but I have a 1962 Fan Coach, and we use
the original oven all the time!  It has better temperature control than Kathy's
modern electronic oven.  Great for biscuits in the morning, warming up a
casserole, whatever.  In fact, since the stove has only 3 burners, the oven is
quite useful for our food prep.  Sure, we'll grill the main course outside, but
our "ruffles and flourishes" work especially well on the range.
>
> I am reluctant to install a microwave for several reasons: First and foremost,
I only have 30 amp service, and I don't wish to upgrade at this time.  Second,
with only 13' of interior room, I don't have cabinet space to "hide" it, where I
could better use the room for storage.  Thirdly, considering our cooking habits,
the only thing I would use a microwave for is for popcorn, and even that tastes
much better cooked on the stovetop.  Lastly, I rather like making use of the
original appliance from 1962.
>
> Brian
>
>
> --- In vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <katzfilm@> wrote:
> >
> > Linda wrote: <<Any oven usage opinions out there? What do you use more,
baking oven or microwave? We are not going to alter the wood if possible, so
stowing in the precious cupboard space is going to be calculated down to the
umph degree. I've even drug a couple of milk crates out so we can carry our
canned goods in the back of my pick up instead of the Cardinal.>>
> >
> > I have a stove/oven combo in my little (15' overall, 12' body) trailer,
Linda.  And I use the oven all the time -- as a cupboard for my pots and pans! 
I figured, when I'm camping, I can do without baking.  Or so I thought.  Now I
have a Dutch oven with which I have had some successes (still learning) and
which involves -- obviously -- doing my "baking" outside. I do all my cooking
outside, actually.  I use my stove to boil water for coffee in the morning, and
for heating water to do the dishes and to wash up.  I have made pasta inside
(during some particularly bad weather) but I cannot imagine sauteing a chicken
or pan frying a fish in that trailer. Or baking a meatloaf in the oven.
(Although baking some muffins, or a bread would be fragrant, not smelly.) I've
made poached eggs and toast inside the trailer -- had to, one morning, 'cause
m'gal wanted breakfast in bed) -- but caramelize onions with a couple heads of
garlic?  Nah, not a chance...  I like cooking outside on my Coleman stove, yeah.
(But doggone it I had a helluva time getting it to run right up at Rivernook.)
> >
> > Yours,
> > Michael
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Maria,

Did you get your Fireball?

Linda

--- In vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com, "maria_bettina" <maria_bettina@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi everyone!  I am new to this forum and to trailering. We are looking at a
'66 Fireball on Saturday, and the ad says it's a 16'. Has a bathroom, queen bed,
bunk beds, frig, wood paneling, and the original propane lights. Sounds like
everything is stock 'cept for the frig (read: nothing done to it; not restored).
I have two questions:
>
> 1) What would a trailer of this vintage be worth, assuming the body is still
in good shape and no changes have been done to the interior. Are we talking $500
or $5000. Ballpark it for me, please!
>
> 2) Does anyone know what the weight of a '66 Fireball is?  Could a V6 4Runner
pull it (5000 pound towing capacity)?
>
> I am hoping we are going to be the new owners of a '66 Fireball as of
Saturday!  Wish us luck :-)
>
> -Maria
>

Hear hear. Brian. Sean
Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel

-----Original Message-----
From: "bcanary5958" <bcanary5958@...>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:37:44
To: <vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vintage Trailer Club] Re: 1966 Fireball - Needs Specs-now 66 Cardinal
too

Linda,

Perhaps I am defying convention here, but I have a 1962 Fan Coach, and we use
the original oven all the time!  It has better temperature control than Kathy's
modern electronic oven.  Great for biscuits in the morning, warming up a
casserole, whatever.  In fact, since the stove has only 3 burners, the oven is
quite useful for our food prep.  Sure, we'll grill the main course outside, but
our "ruffles and flourishes" work especially well on the range.

I am reluctant to install a microwave for several reasons: First and foremost, I
only have 30 amp service, and I don't wish to upgrade at this time.  Second,
with only 13' of interior room, I don't have cabinet space to "hide" it, where I
could better use the room for storage.  Thirdly, considering our cooking habits,
the only thing I would use a microwave for is for popcorn, and even that tastes
much better cooked on the stovetop.  Lastly, I rather like making use of the
original appliance from 1962.

Brian


--- In vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <katzfilm@...> wrote:
>
> Linda wrote: <<Any oven usage opinions out there? What do you use more, baking
oven or microwave? We are not going to alter the wood if possible, so stowing in
the precious cupboard space is going to be calculated down to the umph degree.
I've even drug a couple of milk crates out so we can carry our canned goods in
the back of my pick up instead of the Cardinal.>>
>
> I have a stove/oven combo in my little (15' overall, 12' body) trailer, Linda.
And I use the oven all the time -- as a cupboard for my pots and pans!  I
figured, when I'm camping, I can do without baking.  Or so I thought.  Now I
have a Dutch oven with which I have had some successes (still learning) and
which involves -- obviously -- doing my "baking" outside. I do all my cooking
outside, actually.  I use my stove to boil water for coffee in the morning, and
for heating water to do the dishes and to wash up.  I have made pasta inside
(during some particularly bad weather) but I cannot imagine sauteing a chicken
or pan frying a fish in that trailer. Or baking a meatloaf in the oven.
(Although baking some muffins, or a bread would be fragrant, not smelly.) I've
made poached eggs and toast inside the trailer -- had to, one morning, 'cause
m'gal wanted breakfast in bed) -- but caramelize onions with a couple heads of
garlic?  Nah, not a chance...  I like cooking outside on my Coleman stove, yeah.
(But doggone it I had a helluva time getting it to run right up at Rivernook.)
>
> Yours,
> Michael
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Linda,

Perhaps I am defying convention here, but I have a 1962 Fan Coach, and we use
the original oven all the time!  It has better temperature control than Kathy's
modern electronic oven.  Great for biscuits in the morning, warming up a
casserole, whatever.  In fact, since the stove has only 3 burners, the oven is
quite useful for our food prep.  Sure, we'll grill the main course outside, but
our "ruffles and flourishes" work especially well on the range.

I am reluctant to install a microwave for several reasons: First and foremost, I
only have 30 amp service, and I don't wish to upgrade at this time.  Second,
with only 13' of interior room, I don't have cabinet space to "hide" it, where I
could better use the room for storage.  Thirdly, considering our cooking habits,
the only thing I would use a microwave for is for popcorn, and even that tastes
much better cooked on the stovetop.  Lastly, I rather like making use of the
original appliance from 1962.

Brian


--- In vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <katzfilm@...> wrote:
>
> Linda wrote: <<Any oven usage opinions out there? What do you use more, baking
oven or microwave? We are not going to alter the wood if possible, so stowing in
the precious cupboard space is going to be calculated down to the umph degree.
I've even drug a couple of milk crates out so we can carry our canned goods in
the back of my pick up instead of the Cardinal.>>
>
> I have a stove/oven combo in my little (15' overall, 12' body) trailer, Linda.
And I use the oven all the time -- as a cupboard for my pots and pans!  I
figured, when I'm camping, I can do without baking.  Or so I thought.  Now I
have a Dutch oven with which I have had some successes (still learning) and
which involves -- obviously -- doing my "baking" outside. I do all my cooking
outside, actually.  I use my stove to boil water for coffee in the morning, and
for heating water to do the dishes and to wash up.  I have made pasta inside
(during some particularly bad weather) but I cannot imagine sauteing a chicken
or pan frying a fish in that trailer. Or baking a meatloaf in the oven.
(Although baking some muffins, or a bread would be fragrant, not smelly.) I've
made poached eggs and toast inside the trailer -- had to, one morning, 'cause
m'gal wanted breakfast in bed) -- but caramelize onions with a couple heads of
garlic?  Nah, not a chance...  I like cooking outside on my Coleman stove, yeah.
(But doggone it I had a helluva time getting it to run right up at Rivernook.)
>
> Yours,
> Michael
>

We have a micro/convection combo which works great.


Peter O'Boyle


-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Kershaw <versa3@...>
To: vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2009 9:48 am
Subject: RE: [Vintage Trailer Club] 1966 Fireball - Needs Specs-now 66 Cardinal
too




































Norm,



Thank you! That's what my husband wanted, to closet the microwave and I was

thinking convection. We are of the same mindset as you are, no alterations

if at all possible.



Thank you so much for your 2 cents!



Linda



_____



From: vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Norm Busch

Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:12 PM

To: vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [Vintage Trailer Club] 1966 Fireball - Needs Specs-now 66

Cardinal too



Linda,

We use the microwave a lot more than the oven. The microwave is tucked

inside the closet in our '65 Aristocrat and stored under the countertop in

our '58 Hiawatha behind a curtain. Both have small apt sized fridges that

the microwave sits on. That way the interior looks original, not updated,

but is modernly (is that a word) functional. In the hidden recesses are the

updates (new wiring, outlets, new water lines, etc.)

Norm (aka pbody)



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Sent: Sat, November 7, 2009 9:45:47 AM

Subject: Re: [Vintage Trailer Club] 1966 Fireball - Needs Specs-now 66

Cardinal too



Hi Tom,



Indeed it helps tremendously! Oh boy do I have questions for you. Does yours

have a pressurized water system? Does it have black water storage or do you

have to bring a rolling honey pot when dry camping?



We haven't had the opportunity to even crawl under our trailer yet. We towed

it out from it's 24 year old storage spot just three days ago. When I used

pliers to losen the wingnuts on the bumper storage, they both broke off as I

twisted ever so gently. So on the list when we trek to Camping world today

will be the replacement caps for the hose storage bumper.



Thank you for sharing your propane usage calculations. There is no oven in

ours, so we're contemplating either a teeny microwave that we'll stow or a

very small convection oven. Not sure which yet, other things are pressing

first.



Any oven usage opinions out there? What do you use more, baking oven or

microwave? We are not going to alter the wood if possible, so stowing in the

precious cupboard space is going to be calculated down to the umph degree.

I've even drug a couple of milk crates out so we can carry our canned goods

in the back of my pick up instead of the Cardinal.



Thank you thank you!



Linda



--- In vintagetrailerclub@ yahoogroups. com, tomas53@... wrote:

>

> Linda....

>

> Michael brings up a good point about tongue weight and all. I have a '66

> Cardinal 17' Deluxe. Dry weight is 2360 lbs. I use the original 5 gal.

> propane tank ( had a new valve installed ). I have the stove, oven and

> refrigerator run off of the single tank. With that said, I can dry camp

for 6

> to 7 days without filling up. I do have a 2 1/2 gal. auxillary tank that I



> use for my outside grill. If by chance the trailer tank goes dry I can

> always switch over to my grill tank in a pinch.

>

> Hope this helps you out.

>

> Tom

>

>

> In a message dated 11/6/2009 4:46:42 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

> katzfilm@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> Linda Kershaw wrote:

> <<As much as I'd like two propane tanks, we've decided on purchasing a

> double sized propane tank so we have increased capacity without detracting



> from the look of the one tank tongue. >>

>

> You have described what you believe to be a trailer weighing less than

> 1000 lbs. Consider, to insure your trailer tracks right without squirming

and

> sashaying down the highway, her tongue weight ought to be somewhere

between

> 10-15% of her laden weight. By installing a "double sized propane tank"

> you would be adding significantly to her tongue weight, which might affect



> her stability on the road.

>

> But setting that aside, I would add we all (generally) haul too much

> propane around the countryside, like tankers or something. It might be

> illuminating to calculate your propane usage, Linda. You'd likely find

that a couple

> of small "disposable" bottles would do the trick, running your stove and

> your two wall-sconce lanterns.

>

> A full 5 gallon steel propane tank weighs about 40 lbs (tare weight of 17

> lbs.) I cannot help but wonder if you wouldn't achieve the peace of mind

> you seek (propane-wise) by having a splitter on your single tank so that,

> should you ever run out of propane -- say, in the middle of your dinner

> preparations -- you could add a small "disposable" bottle to save the day

(and

> the dinner.)

>

> Wishing I could write "recyclable" instead of "disposable, W

> Michael

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>



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Norm,

Thank you! That's what my husband wanted, to closet the microwave and I was
thinking convection. We are of the same mindset as you are, no alterations
if at all possible.

Thank you so much for your 2 cents!



Linda



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From: vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Norm Busch
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:12 PM
To: vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vintage Trailer Club] 1966 Fireball - Needs Specs-now 66
Cardinal too





Linda,
We use the microwave a lot more than the oven. The microwave is tucked
inside the closet in our '65 Aristocrat and stored under the countertop in
our '58 Hiawatha behind a curtain. Both have small apt sized fridges that
the microwave sits on. That way the interior looks original, not updated,
but is modernly (is that a word) functional. In the hidden recesses are the
updates (new wiring, outlets, new water lines, etc.)
Norm (aka pbody)

________________________________
From: "versa3@astound. <mailto:versa3%40astound.net> net" <versa3@astound.
<mailto:versa3%40astound.net> net>
To: vintagetrailerclub@ <mailto:vintagetrailerclub%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 7, 2009 9:45:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Vintage Trailer Club] 1966 Fireball - Needs Specs-now 66
Cardinal too


Hi Tom,

Indeed it helps tremendously! Oh boy do I have questions for you. Does yours
have a pressurized water system? Does it have black water storage or do you
have to bring a rolling honey pot when dry camping?

We haven't had the opportunity to even crawl under our trailer yet. We towed
it out from it's 24 year old storage spot just three days ago. When I used
pliers to losen the wingnuts on the bumper storage, they both broke off as I
twisted ever so gently. So on the list when we trek to Camping world today
will be the replacement caps for the hose storage bumper.

Thank you for sharing your propane usage calculations. There is no oven in
ours, so we're contemplating either a teeny microwave that we'll stow or a
very small convection oven. Not sure which yet, other things are pressing
first.

Any oven usage opinions out there? What do you use more, baking oven or
microwave? We are not going to alter the wood if possible, so stowing in the
precious cupboard space is going to be calculated down to the umph degree.
I've even drug a couple of milk crates out so we can carry our canned goods
in the back of my pick up instead of the Cardinal.

Thank you thank you!

Linda

--- In vintagetrailerclub@ yahoogroups. com, tomas53@... wrote:
>
> Linda....
>
> Michael brings up a good point about tongue weight and all. I have a '66
> Cardinal 17' Deluxe. Dry weight is 2360 lbs. I use the original 5 gal.
> propane tank ( had a new valve installed ). I have the stove, oven and
> refrigerator run off of the single tank. With that said, I can dry camp
for 6
> to 7 days without filling up. I do have a 2 1/2 gal. auxillary tank that I

> use for my outside grill. If by chance the trailer tank goes dry I can
> always switch over to my grill tank in a pinch.
>
> Hope this helps you out.
>
> Tom
>
>
> In a message dated 11/6/2009 4:46:42 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> katzfilm@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Linda Kershaw wrote:
> <<As much as I'd like two propane tanks, we've decided on purchasing a
> double sized propane tank so we have increased capacity without detracting

> from the look of the one tank tongue. >>
>
> You have described what you believe to be a trailer weighing less than
> 1000 lbs. Consider, to insure your trailer tracks right without squirming
and
> sashaying down the highway, her tongue weight ought to be somewhere
between
> 10-15% of her laden weight. By installing a "double sized propane tank"
> you would be adding significantly to her tongue weight, which might affect

> her stability on the road.
>
> But setting that aside, I would add we all (generally) haul too much
> propane around the countryside, like tankers or something. It might be
> illuminating to calculate your propane usage, Linda. You'd likely find
that a couple
> of small "disposable" bottles would do the trick, running your stove and
> your two wall-sconce lanterns.
>
> A full 5 gallon steel propane tank weighs about 40 lbs (tare weight of 17
> lbs.) I cannot help but wonder if you wouldn't achieve the peace of mind
> you seek (propane-wise) by having a splitter on your single tank so that,
> should you ever run out of propane -- say, in the middle of your dinner
> preparations -- you could add a small "disposable" bottle to save the day
(and
> the dinner.)
>
> Wishing I could write "recyclable" instead of "disposable, W
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Linda wrote: <<Any oven usage opinions out there? What do you use more, baking
oven or microwave? We are not going to alter the wood if possible, so stowing in
the precious cupboard space is going to be calculated down to the umph degree.
I've even drug a couple of milk crates out so we can carry our canned goods in
the back of my pick up instead of the Cardinal.>>

I have a stove/oven combo in my little (15' overall, 12' body) trailer, Linda. 
And I use the oven all the time -- as a cupboard for my pots and pans!  I
figured, when I'm camping, I can do without baking.  Or so I thought.  Now I
have a Dutch oven with which I have had some successes (still learning) and
which involves -- obviously -- doing my "baking" outside. I do all my cooking
outside, actually.  I use my stove to boil water for coffee in the morning, and
for heating water to do the dishes and to wash up.  I have made pasta inside
(during some particularly bad weather) but I cannot imagine sauteing a chicken
or pan frying a fish in that trailer. Or baking a meatloaf in the oven.
(Although baking some muffins, or a bread would be fragrant, not smelly.) I've
made poached eggs and toast inside the trailer -- had to, one morning, 'cause
m'gal wanted breakfast in bed) -- but caramelize onions with a couple heads of
garlic?  Nah, not a chance...  I like cooking outside on my Coleman stove, yeah.
(But doggone it I had a helluva time getting it to run right up at Rivernook.)

Yours,
Michael

Hi Linda,

Congratulations on your "new" Cardinal.

My 17' did have the Nevins Pressurized Water System (many Cardinals  did).
The pressure pump was removed from my trailer and because the water  tank
(coated aluminum) was caked with debris, I decided to replace the system
with a poly tank and electric pump.  I did however keep the outside fill  neck
and used it as a sleeve for the new filler hose into the new tank.

I had the same rear bumper as you have described.  I just recently had  it
replaced with a solid squared tube of steel.  The original bumper was  not
strong enough for my spare tire carrier and my bike rack.

There were no black water tanks installed on any of the Cardinals.   The
Monomatic toliet (if you have one) was a self-contained recirculating  toliet.
  It was good for about 10 - 15 flushes before you had to empty  it.  There
would be a 3" outlet underneath the trailer and you would hook  up your dump
hose to it and put the other end in the sewer outlet, then go  inside and
remove the lower collar of the toliet and pull the blade valve which  would
empty the resevior.  Wash it out and close the blade valve, refresh  with 3
gallons of water and new chemicals and you would be good to go  again.  The
Monomatics were a great toliet and if yours still flushes and  maserates then
I would highly recommend you keep it.  There is a copy of  the Monomatic
brochure in the file section of this site for reference.

I caution you on using a microwave with a battery inverter unless you know
exactly how many amps and watts you will consume.  I am not good at
electrical so I would defer to someone in your area.  I would use the  microwave
if you are at a campsite with hook-ups (electric & water).   Then you would
be using straight 110v circuit.  I use a 400 watt inverter  for the express
use of our blender and then remove it off the battery until I  need it again.
  The cooling fans on a larger inverter will draw down the  battery fast.

I might suggest doing all your baking before you leave.  I generally  bake
a pie before I leave and I store it in the oven so it doesn't get  smashed.
I do however use my oven for warming up bisquits &  rolls.  I don't know
how accurate the oven is,  I've never had it  tested.

The other appliance you might consider acquiring is a portable  heater.  I
purchased a couple of years ago a Mr. Buddy catylitc indoor  heater from my
local sporting  goods store.  It uses disposable  propane bottles or I can
hook it up to my 2 1/2 gallon propane tank.  It is  great for turning on for
a half hour or so and take to chill off in the morning  and night.

I hope you enjoy learning about your Cardinal and there probably is another
  Cardinal owner close to you that could help you out.  If you are ever down
  towards San Luis Obispo, let me know in advance and I would be more than
willing  to show you my Cardinal and explain some of the features.

Happy Trailering,

Tom
Arroyo Grande, Ca.


In a message dated 11/7/2009 9:57:48 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
versa3@... writes:




Hi Tom,

Indeed it helps tremendously! Oh boy do I have questions for  you. Does
yours have a pressurized water system? Does it have black water  storage or do
you have to bring a rolling honey pot when dry  camping?

We haven't had the opportunity to even crawl under our trailer  yet. We
towed it out from it's 24 year old storage spot just three days ago.  When I
used pliers to losen the wingnuts on the bumper storage, they both  broke off
as I twisted ever so gently. So on the list when we trek to Camping  world
today will be the replacement caps for the hose storage  bumper.

Thank you for sharing your propane usage calculations. There is  no oven in
ours, so we're contemplating either a teeny microwave that we'll  stow or a
very small convection oven. Not sure which yet, other things are  pressing
first.

Any oven usage opinions out there? What do you use  more, baking oven or
microwave? We are not going to alter the wood if  possible, so stowing in the
precious cupboard space is going to be calculated  down to the umph degree.
I've even drug a couple of milk crates out so we can  carry our canned goods
in the back of my pick up instead of the  Cardinal.

Thank you thank you!

Linda

--- In _vintagetrailerclub@vintagetrailvin_
(mailto:vintagetrailerclub@yahoogroups.com) ,  tomas53@... wrote:
>
> Linda....
>
> Michael brings  up a good point about tongue weight and all. I have a '66
> Cardinal  17' Deluxe. Dry weight is 2360 lbs. I use the original 5 gal.
> propane  tank ( had a new valve installed ). I have the stove, oven and
>  refrigerator run off of the single tank. With that said, I can dry camp
for 6
> to 7 days without filling up. I do have a 2 1/2 gal. auxillary tank  that
I
> use for my outside grill. If by chance the trailer tank goes  dry I can
> always switch over to my grill tank in a pinch.
>
> Hope this helps you out.
>
> Tom
>
>
> In a message dated 11/6/2009 4:46:42 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> katzfilm@... writes:
>
>
>
>
>  Linda Kershaw wrote:
> <<As much as I'd like two propane tanks,  we've decided on purchasing a
> double sized propane tank so we have  increased capacity without
detracting
> from the look of the one tank  tongue. >>
>
> You have described what you believe to be a  trailer weighing less than
> 1000 lbs. Consider, to insure your trailer  tracks right without
squirming and
> sashaying down the highway, her  tongue weight ought to be somewhere
between
> 10-15% of her laden  weight. By installing a "double sized propane tank"
> you would be  adding significantly to her tongue weight, which might
affect
> her  stability on the road.
>
> But setting that aside, I would add  we all (generally) haul too much
> propane around the countryside, like  tankers or something. It might be
> illuminating to calculate your  propane usage, Linda. You'd likely find
that a couple
> of small  "disposable" bottles would do the trick, running your stove and
> your  two wall-sconce lanterns.
>
> A full 5 gallon steel propane tank  weighs about 40 lbs (tare weight of
17
> lbs.) I cannot help but wonder  if you wouldn't achieve the peace of mind
> you seek (propane-wise) by  having a splitter on your single tank so
that,
> should you ever run  out of propane -- say, in the middle of your dinner
> preparations --  you could add a small "disposable" bottle to save the
day (and
> the  dinner.)
>
> Wishing I could write "recyclable" instead of  "disposable,
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been  removed]
>







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