That has come up before here but I don't remember who specifically had
diagnosed it.

laluzcj wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone have problem with excessive timing gear backlash affecting
> timing? When I rotate the Motor (SV) slowly while setting timing, the
> distributor snaps back a little just before the points open. I've
> watched the cam gear through the distributor hole and can see the gear
> snap backwards a little just as before firing position. It appears to
> be worn gears. How much is too much? How much timing gear train noise
> is too much?
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Has anyone put a BMW/5 front drum wheel on a CJ.  I thought I saw a pic of one
somewhere?

I thought one of my fork bushings was excessively worn, your could rock it back
and forth on the fork shaft. I decided to measure the acutal fork diameters
where the bushings ride(both the small and large one.  It looks like one fork
was actually a few thousandths of an inch smaller than the other one.  It does
not look like wear on the fork but rather poor quality control in manufacturing.
A set of new standard new bushings won't fix the problem.  I'm going to try and
have some made at a machine shop to account for the difference in size of the
fork shafts.  Does anyone know how much clearance to allow on new bushings.  I
was going to go with .001 thousandths?

Does anyone have problem with excessive timing gear backlash affecting timing? 
When I rotate the Motor (SV) slowly while setting timing, the distributor snaps
back a little just before the points open.  I've watched the cam gear through
the distributor hole and can see the  gear snap backwards a little just as
before firing position.  It appears to be worn gears.  How much is too much? 
How much timing gear train noise is too much?

If you can offer a decent product at a competitive price, you'll have our
support.  Knock yourself out.

--- In thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com, "coopmotorworks"
<coopmotorworks@...> wrote:
>
>
> With the economy the way it is, the fact that Scooter Bob bit it there is no
way I would sink what it would take to make a go of selling CJ's the right way. 
As far as using the words "legal" & "proper" I have heard on this list how
unscrupulous China dealers sell all kinds of stuff, late model bikes that cannot
be titled, parts made out of plastic when it was supposed to be metal, yada yada
yada-- If I was looking for a bike and heard that I would run and rightly so!
>
> Businesses are a risk, this would be a huge one.  If I did it I would use LRM
and what they have, I trust Gerald & Marcus 100%.  But with everyone saying a
bike is worth only $2500 +++ no one hears that +++, all they see is a number and
that has soured the ability to sell them in a lagit manner-- I mean through
building a dealership.  There is no way to bring a bike in, get it through
customs, pay the shipping, open the box, make it run then pay to let folks know
you are there selling a really cool bike.  All that does drive the cost up but
really, is buying a "blind" product always a great deal?
>
> I can't go into business with this, too much risk and banks are not taking
jokes lately!  The market has been anemic for so long there really is not much
enthusiasm around to push a business venture.  And, like I said when I started
this thread which has probably gone on longer than it should any dealer network
would rely upon the goodwill of this group or it is dead, so...
>
> Jim Bounds
> ----------------------
> --- In thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com, "danc" <dnantha@> wrote:
> >
> > Why not stop complaining and just do it. Ill buy parts from you. Its your
your use of words like "legal bike" and "proper dealer" and such that puts me
off. If you want to do bisness the way you describe, sure sounds good to
me...But if you want to do bisness by verbily cor legally cutting up your
competition you'll get praise or critisisim from members of our message board
and others. I think most people read This board when they are contemplating
buying a Chang. Go for it Jim, Id like to buy an extra final drive....Dan out.
> >
> > --- In thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com, "coopmotorworks"
<coopmotorworks@> wrote:
> > >
> > > If the dealer you purchased the first bike from was selling crap, it is up
to you to give them crap back.  If you got no satiffaction there are consumer
remedies here in the states but there are none going over seas.  I have heard
horror stories on this list of dolks getting bikes in a crate that were rusted
masses of trash and those folks had NO recourse!
> > >
> > > I have not needed any parts to speak of that marcus at LRM could not send
me other than tires-- man I don;t know what they call rubber in China but I wore
out tires fast.  I now have some Dunlop trail tires and they are great-- look
cool too.  I just with LRM could get a dealer group going, thats what I wanted
to help them do but with all you guys popoing a "dealer" network in the states
that I expect will never happen.
> > >
> > > That guy looking for a bike, I tell ya call marcus at LRM, he needs and
will really work hard for your business.  He is right here in the states so if
he sends you junk you can fly to Colorado and poke him in the face!  Look,
without you guys helping folks out trying to get a foothold with a dealership on
the mainland-- it will never happen.
> > >
> > > I cannot just open a business to sell parts for CJ's, you have to sell the
bikes too!  There is nothing comparable to a CJ in style or use for under
$10,000 here.  So you offer a CJ all dooded up, really nice, built from the best
right parts and backed-- what it it worth to know your title is good, to know
the thing will run and if it doesn;t there is someone to yell at-- come on,
whats that peace of mind worth?  So I offer a really nice electric start,
military with all the bags, flat head for $6500 and you guys make it out like
I'm a crook!  You buy a car from a dealership, your milk from a grocer and don;t
down him for paying his light bill!  At $6500 a CJ set up nice is a bargain! 
What else could you buy that would wrench heads and give you good transportation
and BTW, at $6500 there really is not much to call "profit" after shipping,
customs, duty and all that stuff.
> > >
> > > A CPA will tell youu it is imperative to make 30% and no less if you wanna
stay in business.  OK, look at it.  That means to make it today you need to make
@ $2000 on a $6500 sale.  That pays to be there, to put up with the customers,
to pay taxes, overhead, lights and all that.  Sure, a customer will say no if
you ask them if they want to pay more for something but how do you think the car
dealerships pay to stay on their street corner?  I don;t see Ford advertising
they will sell cars out the factory back door-- no, they support their dealers
and dorect customers to get all the service they need and see one of their
dealers.  Why can't this CJ group support the CJ enough to direct owners to
support someone to give them the service they deserve?
> > >
> > > Dang, I'm back up on the soap box again, I was wacked for doing that once
so sorry, I'll shut up but thats whay I cannot see a way to be a dealer in the
states, there is just no enthusioast support for it.  It's a pitty.  Guess thats
why I blew a fuse when I saw your comment, sorry I just care too much.
> > >
> > > Maybe someday it might happen, if you guys could get behind exposing the
CJ as an actual salable product they really have alote to offer.   If the
fanufacturers in China would support a dealer network and stop selling out of
their back door they COULD afford to stay in business.  They say you can get a
better price if you buy 3, thats their idea of supporting "volume".  If they
would support a dealer here they would see larger orders, thats marketing.
> > >
> > > Sorry, I just mouthed off a bit, I just see such a chance but with no
support nothing will happen.
> > >
> > > Jim Bounds
> > > --------------------
> > >
> > > --- In thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com, "coopmotorworks"
<coopmotorworks@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dan,
> > > >
> > > > I have religated myself to sit on the sidelines on this list and gleen
information, most has been kinda well but once in a while the thread comes up
that I just have to roll my eyes!
> > > >
> > > > When you said "Any of the CJU sponsors can provide this stuff, and for
less $$$ than a middleman (ie, Scooterbob.)"-- man that was a low blow!    Well,
I am just happy I did not throw my towel into the arena of trying to distribute
lagit the CJ here in the states!  Can't you see thats why so few people know
about these bikes, there are so few places to find parts and that the dealer
network is on the ropes!  If you keep these bikes obscure, thats what the will
continue to be until they cannot be fixed an no one cares about them!
> > > >
> > > > Man, I'm sorry-- I have so much respect and love for my CJ that I want
to expose it big time to the states but with support from the owners like
telling prospective owners you need to brave buying somethng from someone you
don;t know, wait forever to get it and hope to God it is worth a flip-- we're
not going to go anywhere exposing how neat these bikes are like that.
> > > >
> > > > Yep, you CAN get a lower price but there is so much more risk than just
going down to your locval bike shop and buying a plastic-fantastic clone, thats
what most people will do.  if you actually supported a shop here in the states
that actually had bikes ready to ride on the floor, through customs, tuned up
with someone who would help them with the bike and had parts on the shelf-- I
think our bikes would be much more attractive the the general buyer.
> > > >
> > > > Can you explain to me why you would not support that sort of CJ state
side dealer structure?
> > > >
> > > > Jim Bounds
> > > > ---------------------
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

With the economy the way it is, the fact that Scooter Bob bit it there is no way
I would sink what it would take to make a go of selling CJ's the right way.  As
far as using the words "legal" & "proper" I have heard on this list how
unscrupulous China dealers sell all kinds of stuff, late model bikes that cannot
be titled, parts made out of plastic when it was supposed to be metal, yada yada
yada-- If I was looking for a bike and heard that I would run and rightly so!

Businesses are a risk, this would be a huge one.  If I did it I would use LRM
and what they have, I trust Gerald & Marcus 100%.  But with everyone saying a
bike is worth only $2500 +++ no one hears that +++, all they see is a number and
that has soured the ability to sell them in a lagit manner-- I mean through
building a dealership.  There is no way to bring a bike in, get it through
customs, pay the shipping, open the box, make it run then pay to let folks know
you are there selling a really cool bike.  All that does drive the cost up but
really, is buying a "blind" product always a great deal?

I can't go into business with this, too much risk and banks are not taking jokes
lately!  The market has been anemic for so long there really is not much
enthusiasm around to push a business venture.  And, like I said when I started
this thread which has probably gone on longer than it should any dealer network
would rely upon the goodwill of this group or it is dead, so...

Jim Bounds
----------------------
--- In thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com, "danc" <dnantha@...> wrote:
>
> Why not stop complaining and just do it. Ill buy parts from you. Its your your
use of words like "legal bike" and "proper dealer" and such that puts me off. If
you want to do bisness the way you describe, sure sounds good to me...But if you
want to do bisness by verbily cor legally cutting up your competition you'll get
praise or critisisim from members of our message board and others. I think most
people read This board when they are contemplating buying a Chang. Go for it
Jim, Id like to buy an extra final drive....Dan out.
>
> --- In thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com, "coopmotorworks"
<coopmotorworks@> wrote:
> >
> > If the dealer you purchased the first bike from was selling crap, it is up
to you to give them crap back.  If you got no satiffaction there are consumer
remedies here in the states but there are none going over seas.  I have heard
horror stories on this list of dolks getting bikes in a crate that were rusted
masses of trash and those folks had NO recourse!
> >
> > I have not needed any parts to speak of that marcus at LRM could not send me
other than tires-- man I don;t know what they call rubber in China but I wore
out tires fast.  I now have some Dunlop trail tires and they are great-- look
cool too.  I just with LRM could get a dealer group going, thats what I wanted
to help them do but with all you guys popoing a "dealer" network in the states
that I expect will never happen.
> >
> > That guy looking for a bike, I tell ya call marcus at LRM, he needs and will
really work hard for your business.  He is right here in the states so if he
sends you junk you can fly to Colorado and poke him in the face!  Look, without
you guys helping folks out trying to get a foothold with a dealership on the
mainland-- it will never happen.
> >
> > I cannot just open a business to sell parts for CJ's, you have to sell the
bikes too!  There is nothing comparable to a CJ in style or use for under
$10,000 here.  So you offer a CJ all dooded up, really nice, built from the best
right parts and backed-- what it it worth to know your title is good, to know
the thing will run and if it doesn;t there is someone to yell at-- come on,
whats that peace of mind worth?  So I offer a really nice electric start,
military with all the bags, flat head for $6500 and you guys make it out like
I'm a crook!  You buy a car from a dealership, your milk from a grocer and don;t
down him for paying his light bill!  At $6500 a CJ set up nice is a bargain! 
What else could you buy that would wrench heads and give you good transportation
and BTW, at $6500 there really is not much to call "profit" after shipping,
customs, duty and all that stuff.
> >
> > A CPA will tell youu it is imperative to make 30% and no less if you wanna
stay in business.  OK, look at it.  That means to make it today you need to make
@ $2000 on a $6500 sale.  That pays to be there, to put up with the customers,
to pay taxes, overhead, lights and all that.  Sure, a customer will say no if
you ask them if they want to pay more for something but how do you think the car
dealerships pay to stay on their street corner?  I don;t see Ford advertising
they will sell cars out the factory back door-- no, they support their dealers
and dorect customers to get all the service they need and see one of their
dealers.  Why can't this CJ group support the CJ enough to direct owners to
support someone to give them the service they deserve?
> >
> > Dang, I'm back up on the soap box again, I was wacked for doing that once so
sorry, I'll shut up but thats whay I cannot see a way to be a dealer in the
states, there is just no enthusioast support for it.  It's a pitty.  Guess thats
why I blew a fuse when I saw your comment, sorry I just care too much.
> >
> > Maybe someday it might happen, if you guys could get behind exposing the CJ
as an actual salable product they really have alote to offer.   If the
fanufacturers in China would support a dealer network and stop selling out of
their back door they COULD afford to stay in business.  They say you can get a
better price if you buy 3, thats their idea of supporting "volume".  If they
would support a dealer here they would see larger orders, thats marketing.
> >
> > Sorry, I just mouthed off a bit, I just see such a chance but with no
support nothing will happen.
> >
> > Jim Bounds
> > --------------------
> >
> > --- In thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com, "coopmotorworks"
<coopmotorworks@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dan,
> > >
> > > I have religated myself to sit on the sidelines on this list and gleen
information, most has been kinda well but once in a while the thread comes up
that I just have to roll my eyes!
> > >
> > > When you said "Any of the CJU sponsors can provide this stuff, and for
less $$$ than a middleman (ie, Scooterbob.)"-- man that was a low blow!    Well,
I am just happy I did not throw my towel into the arena of trying to distribute
lagit the CJ here in the states!  Can't you see thats why so few people know
about these bikes, there are so few places to find parts and that the dealer
network is on the ropes!  If you keep these bikes obscure, thats what the will
continue to be until they cannot be fixed an no one cares about them!
> > >
> > > Man, I'm sorry-- I have so much respect and love for my CJ that I want to
expose it big time to the states but with support from the owners like telling
prospective owners you need to brave buying somethng from someone you don;t
know, wait forever to get it and hope to God it is worth a flip-- we're not
going to go anywhere exposing how neat these bikes are like that.
> > >
> > > Yep, you CAN get a lower price but there is so much more risk than just
going down to your locval bike shop and buying a plastic-fantastic clone, thats
what most people will do.  if you actually supported a shop here in the states
that actually had bikes ready to ride on the floor, through customs, tuned up
with someone who would help them with the bike and had parts on the shelf-- I
think our bikes would be much more attractive the the general buyer.
> > >
> > > Can you explain to me why you would not support that sort of CJ state side
dealer structure?
> > >
> > > Jim Bounds
> > > ---------------------
> > >
> >
>

Giggle..Well then I need to find my spacer! I will see if I can get it on
tonight.

Rob

--- In thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com, Richard Cook <cookiecookr@...>
wrote:
>
> Actually the inside edge wearing is one of the things that can happen with no
spacer.
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard
>
> --- On Mon, 11/9/09, widowactor <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> From: widowactor <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [the Chang Jiang Experience] Re: 1968 M1M 24P Flathead
> To: thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 1:30 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>       Thanks for your input! It is funny you mention they were worn unevenly.
When I took the wheel off the old pads twards the inside edge were worn at a
slight angle on the edge. I bet my new pads were touching and after a long ride
yesterday the noise did decerease. It is still there but not at all as loud as
it was when I started my ride with the new brake shoes.
>
>
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> --- In thechangjiangexperi ence@yahoogroups .com, Mattias Sjösvärd <mr@>
wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Rob, I've had this noise also when I've changed brake pads.
>
> > Unfortunatley both with and without the spacer, so I don't think the
>
> > spacer is the whole explanation. In both cases I noticed that the pads
>
> > were unevenly worn, so I simply sanded them a little and after some time
>
> > the noice went away. Not that I neccessarily recommend the same relaxed
>
> > treatment of a potential disastrous noise...
>
> > /Seasword
>
> >
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>
> > widowactor skrev:
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> > >
>
> > > Phil
>
> > >
>
> > > I am an idiot..I think I forgot to put on the spacer. I will have to
>
> > > yank the wheel and see. Oddly though my bike originally never had the
>
> > > spacer and never made any noise.
>
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>

Why not stop complaining and just do it. Ill buy parts from you. Its your your
use of words like "legal bike" and "proper dealer" and such that puts me off. If
you want to do bisness the way you describe, sure sounds good to me...But if you
want to do bisness by verbily cor legally cutting up your competition you'll get
praise or critisisim from members of our message board and others. I think most
people read This board when they are contemplating buying a Chang. Go for it
Jim, Id like to buy an extra final drive....Dan out.

--- In thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com, "coopmotorworks"
<coopmotorworks@...> wrote:
>
> If the dealer you purchased the first bike from was selling crap, it is up to
you to give them crap back.  If you got no satiffaction there are consumer
remedies here in the states but there are none going over seas.  I have heard
horror stories on this list of dolks getting bikes in a crate that were rusted
masses of trash and those folks had NO recourse!
>
> I have not needed any parts to speak of that marcus at LRM could not send me
other than tires-- man I don;t know what they call rubber in China but I wore
out tires fast.  I now have some Dunlop trail tires and they are great-- look
cool too.  I just with LRM could get a dealer group going, thats what I wanted
to help them do but with all you guys popoing a "dealer" network in the states
that I expect will never happen.
>
> That guy looking for a bike, I tell ya call marcus at LRM, he needs and will
really work hard for your business.  He is right here in the states so if he
sends you junk you can fly to Colorado and poke him in the face!  Look, without
you guys helping folks out trying to get a foothold with a dealership on the
mainland-- it will never happen.
>
> I cannot just open a business to sell parts for CJ's, you have to sell the
bikes too!  There is nothing comparable to a CJ in style or use for under
$10,000 here.  So you offer a CJ all dooded up, really nice, built from the best
right parts and backed-- what it it worth to know your title is good, to know
the thing will run and if it doesn;t there is someone to yell at-- come on,
whats that peace of mind worth?  So I offer a really nice electric start,
military with all the bags, flat head for $6500 and you guys make it out like
I'm a crook!  You buy a car from a dealership, your milk from a grocer and don;t
down him for paying his light bill!  At $6500 a CJ set up nice is a bargain! 
What else could you buy that would wrench heads and give you good transportation
and BTW, at $6500 there really is not much to call "profit" after shipping,
customs, duty and all that stuff.
>
> A CPA will tell youu it is imperative to make 30% and no less if you wanna
stay in business.  OK, look at it.  That means to make it today you need to make
@ $2000 on a $6500 sale.  That pays to be there, to put up with the customers,
to pay taxes, overhead, lights and all that.  Sure, a customer will say no if
you ask them if they want to pay more for something but how do you think the car
dealerships pay to stay on their street corner?  I don;t see Ford advertising
they will sell cars out the factory back door-- no, they support their dealers
and dorect customers to get all the service they need and see one of their
dealers.  Why can't this CJ group support the CJ enough to direct owners to
support someone to give them the service they deserve?
>
> Dang, I'm back up on the soap box again, I was wacked for doing that once so
sorry, I'll shut up but thats whay I cannot see a way to be a dealer in the
states, there is just no enthusioast support for it.  It's a pitty.  Guess thats
why I blew a fuse when I saw your comment, sorry I just care too much.
>
> Maybe someday it might happen, if you guys could get behind exposing the CJ as
an actual salable product they really have alote to offer.   If the
fanufacturers in China would support a dealer network and stop selling out of
their back door they COULD afford to stay in business.  They say you can get a
better price if you buy 3, thats their idea of supporting "volume".  If they
would support a dealer here they would see larger orders, thats marketing.
>
> Sorry, I just mouthed off a bit, I just see such a chance but with no support
nothing will happen.
>
> Jim Bounds
> --------------------
>
> --- In thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com, "coopmotorworks"
<coopmotorworks@> wrote:
> >
> > Dan,
> >
> > I have religated myself to sit on the sidelines on this list and gleen
information, most has been kinda well but once in a while the thread comes up
that I just have to roll my eyes!
> >
> > When you said "Any of the CJU sponsors can provide this stuff, and for less
$$$ than a middleman (ie, Scooterbob.)"-- man that was a low blow!    Well, I am
just happy I did not throw my towel into the arena of trying to distribute lagit
the CJ here in the states!  Can't you see thats why so few people know about
these bikes, there are so few places to find parts and that the dealer network
is on the ropes!  If you keep these bikes obscure, thats what the will continue
to be until they cannot be fixed an no one cares about them!
> >
> > Man, I'm sorry-- I have so much respect and love for my CJ that I want to
expose it big time to the states but with support from the owners like telling
prospective owners you need to brave buying somethng from someone you don;t
know, wait forever to get it and hope to God it is worth a flip-- we're not
going to go anywhere exposing how neat these bikes are like that.
> >
> > Yep, you CAN get a lower price but there is so much more risk than just
going down to your locval bike shop and buying a plastic-fantastic clone, thats
what most people will do.  if you actually supported a shop here in the states
that actually had bikes ready to ride on the floor, through customs, tuned up
with someone who would help them with the bike and had parts on the shelf-- I
think our bikes would be much more attractive the the general buyer.
> >
> > Can you explain to me why you would not support that sort of CJ state side
dealer structure?
> >
> > Jim Bounds
> > ---------------------
> >
>

If the dealer you purchased the first bike from was selling crap, it is up to
you to give them crap back.  If you got no satiffaction there are consumer
remedies here in the states but there are none going over seas.  I have heard
horror stories on this list of dolks getting bikes in a crate that were rusted
masses of trash and those folks had NO recourse!

I have not needed any parts to speak of that marcus at LRM could not send me
other than tires-- man I don;t know what they call rubber in China but I wore
out tires fast.  I now have some Dunlop trail tires and they are great-- look
cool too.  I just with LRM could get a dealer group going, thats what I wanted
to help them do but with all you guys popoing a "dealer" network in the states
that I expect will never happen.

That guy looking for a bike, I tell ya call marcus at LRM, he needs and will
really work hard for your business.  He is right here in the states so if he
sends you junk you can fly to Colorado and poke him in the face!  Look, without
you guys helping folks out trying to get a foothold with a dealership on the
mainland-- it will never happen.

I cannot just open a business to sell parts for CJ's, you have to sell the bikes
too!  There is nothing comparable to a CJ in style or use for under $10,000
here.  So you offer a CJ all dooded up, really nice, built from the best right
parts and backed-- what it it worth to know your title is good, to know the
thing will run and if it doesn;t there is someone to yell at-- come on, whats
that peace of mind worth?  So I offer a really nice electric start, military
with all the bags, flat head for $6500 and you guys make it out like I'm a
crook!  You buy a car from a dealership, your milk from a grocer and don;t down
him for paying his light bill!  At $6500 a CJ set up nice is a bargain!  What
else could you buy that would wrench heads and give you good transportation and
BTW, at $6500 there really is not much to call "profit" after shipping, customs,
duty and all that stuff.

A CPA will tell youu it is imperative to make 30% and no less if you wanna stay
in business.  OK, look at it.  That means to make it today you need to make @
$2000 on a $6500 sale.  That pays to be there, to put up with the customers, to
pay taxes, overhead, lights and all that.  Sure, a customer will say no if you
ask them if they want to pay more for something but how do you think the car
dealerships pay to stay on their street corner?  I don;t see Ford advertising
they will sell cars out the factory back door-- no, they support their dealers
and dorect customers to get all the service they need and see one of their
dealers.  Why can't this CJ group support the CJ enough to direct owners to
support someone to give them the service they deserve?

Dang, I'm back up on the soap box again, I was wacked for doing that once so
sorry, I'll shut up but thats whay I cannot see a way to be a dealer in the
states, there is just no enthusioast support for it.  It's a pitty.  Guess thats
why I blew a fuse when I saw your comment, sorry I just care too much.

Maybe someday it might happen, if you guys could get behind exposing the CJ as
an actual salable product they really have alote to offer.   If the
fanufacturers in China would support a dealer network and stop selling out of
their back door they COULD afford to stay in business.  They say you can get a
better price if you buy 3, thats their idea of supporting "volume".  If they
would support a dealer here they would see larger orders, thats marketing.

Sorry, I just mouthed off a bit, I just see such a chance but with no support
nothing will happen.

Jim Bounds
--------------------

--- In thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com, "coopmotorworks"
<coopmotorworks@...> wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> I have religated myself to sit on the sidelines on this list and gleen
information, most has been kinda well but once in a while the thread comes up
that I just have to roll my eyes!
>
> When you said "Any of the CJU sponsors can provide this stuff, and for less
$$$ than a middleman (ie, Scooterbob.)"-- man that was a low blow!    Well, I am
just happy I did not throw my towel into the arena of trying to distribute lagit
the CJ here in the states!  Can't you see thats why so few people know about
these bikes, there are so few places to find parts and that the dealer network
is on the ropes!  If you keep these bikes obscure, thats what the will continue
to be until they cannot be fixed an no one cares about them!
>
> Man, I'm sorry-- I have so much respect and love for my CJ that I want to
expose it big time to the states but with support from the owners like telling
prospective owners you need to brave buying somethng from someone you don;t
know, wait forever to get it and hope to God it is worth a flip-- we're not
going to go anywhere exposing how neat these bikes are like that.
>
> Yep, you CAN get a lower price but there is so much more risk than just going
down to your locval bike shop and buying a plastic-fantastic clone, thats what
most people will do.  if you actually supported a shop here in the states that
actually had bikes ready to ride on the floor, through customs, tuned up with
someone who would help them with the bike and had parts on the shelf-- I think
our bikes would be much more attractive the the general buyer.
>
> Can you explain to me why you would not support that sort of CJ state side
dealer structure?
>
> Jim Bounds
> ---------------------
>

For me, and probably others, this is purely a hobby.  If the marque fades into
obscurity, I'll still have my bikes.  We like is the fact that they're unique.

We're providing you with information that should be used to make a sound
business judgement.  You'd be facing some really tough challenges competing with
the existing vendors in PRC.



--- In thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com, "coopmotorworks"
<coopmotorworks@...> wrote:
>
>
> You say price but really it's much more than that if you are not looking at it
as a hooby object.  If the bikes stay in the realm of a hobby oddity they will
eventually fade away-- no general interest means eventual obscurity.  The CJ has
so much more than that to offer-- as a kick around local transpo machine they
are great and stand out big time.  If the bike was more widley distributed and
available more people would be interested and thats what keeps them going.
>
> The accurate antiwue folks need to thank the retro rod and custom car builders
because they keep the older car interest up-- the same here, we need to support
a general exposure of the CJ to keep it viable for the enthusiasts.
>
> OK, you do alll and I mean all of your own work, some people do not have that
total ability but could do some things with local help.  Thats what a dealer
does for you.  Do you buy your car right off the dock at Ford?  No, there is
dealer support and even if your car is older, the dealer network helps you with
parts and services.  It is important to have a dealer network, ask someone who
drives a Fiat on a regualr basis!
>
> I would love to go to Daytona and have a CJ booth and display several bikes
for sale.  I did display my CK 2 years ago at Daytona and got a pile of interest
going.  Wish I could have kept up the pressure.  The big thing is to have
several through customs showing what is possible with a CK, have them for sale
right then.  That takes money, where does that come from-- from the sale of the
bikes of course.
>
> You buy your groceries from a store, you don't go to the docks and buy your
fish, you buy a beer from a bar, do you down your bartender for marking up that
bottle-- a dealer structure in the states cannot be anything but good, if you
would only support them!
>
> I bought my bike yes, from overseas but not really, I trusted LRM who has
Marcus here in Colorado who gave me confidence that my $ would go to a quality
something.  I could hop a plane and get him if not, that is the only reason I
bought a CJ-- it had nothing to do with trusting someone overseas and I do not
think most people would trust someone that far away with no safeguards I don;t
care how recommended they come.  So if Shou or any of those other guys were
smart, they would support a state side dealer and I bet they would find many
more sales would come.  No, they are only looking at that one day, that one sale
and nothing past that.  I understand thats what they do there-- too bad.
>
> I really enjoy my bike, I just hope someone is around when I need a part--
they are all hurting--- I wonder why!
>
> Jim Bounds
> ------------------------
>

Spotty parts quality is indeed an issue these days.  Luckily, you've got guys
like Gerald and Marcus who specialize in old PLA stock, or else cherry pick. 
I've always received excellent quality parts from these guys.  Having people who
speak English is a huge benefit as well.

--- In thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com, les gilson <gilsonite2001@...>
wrote:
>
> My two cents cause thats all its worth.
> Â
> I own two Harleys. I own two CJ's. One was my daily rider for over a year in
Beijing. I bought two and brought two home to Texas.
> Before I shipped my bikes from Sidecar Solutions, I negotiated my spares up
front. I also picked and chose my spares to ship.
> I agree with your assesment below. Everyone can tell you HD parts are high,
but why do stateside people need to rip you off for CJ parts is another story.
But shortly it is this.
> Suppliers of CJ parts in China are spotty. Venders are sometimes 'mom and pop'
machine and manufacturing joints who sometimes can turn out a decent lot of same
parts. Ask any CJ owner who bought rims? It is a fact of life. Any dealer
stateside doesnt want to invest and arm and a leg to order massive inventory in
effort for cheaper shipping.
> So for us riders stateside, it is a case of JIT need. If you wanna part, and
you need it now? Look stateside. If you wanna order one from China, go ahead.
But if you find a good supplier, buy two of everything. I am sure if the demand
warrants, you can sell the second part stateside.
> It would be nice to see some the the Ural dealers pick up this buisness but
they probably feel it would compete with their core products.
> Â
> Les
>
> --- On Tue, 11/10/09, edsel400 <edsel400@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: edsel400 <edsel400@...>
> Subject: [the Chang Jiang Experience] Re: Scooter Bob Support
> To: thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 9:33 PM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> > Can you explain to me why you would not support that sort of CJ state side
dealer structure?
>
> Sure. I used to do just that. Ten years ago, I bought a bike from a US
"dealer" for $5900 and it was an utter piece of crap. He charged a fortune for
parts, too. ($8 for a 70-cent Chinese spark plug, just one example.) My second
bike came directly from China for considerably less money, and it has been
superb in every respect including followup support. I've known all the guys in
China for a long time and have absolutely no problem dealing with any of them. I
share and appreciate your enthusiasm for these machines but I truly can't see
anyone outside PRC earning a living off of them. Every single US based dealer
that tried in the past ten years went tits up. I'm certainly not gonna pay an
arm and a leg for something I can get elsewhere for a finger. Gotta remember,
one of the most appealing things about these bikes is their affordability. If it
weren't so, I'd be riding a Harley or a real R71. If you want to break into the
market, try starting out as a
>  parts source and build your customer base from there. If you offered decent
parts for reasonable prices, I'd support you all the way. I honestly don't see
any reason to pay an additional $1000-2000 to a middleman for the exact same
bike I can have delivered to my door from PRC. You'll find that others on this
list share these ideas.
>
> --- In thechangjiangexperi ence@yahoogroups .com, "coopmotorworks"
<coopmotorworks@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Dan,
> >
> > I have religated myself to sit on the sidelines on this list and gleen
information, most has been kinda well but once in a while the thread comes up
that I just have to roll my eyes!
> >
> > When you said "Any of the CJU sponsors can provide this stuff, and for less
$$$ than a middleman (ie, Scooterbob.) "-- man that was a low blow! Well, I am
just happy I did not throw my towel into the arena of trying to distribute lagit
the CJ here in the states! Can't you see thats why so few people know about
these bikes, there are so few places to find parts and that the dealer network
is on the ropes! If you keep these bikes obscure, thats what the will continue
to be until they cannot be fixed an no one cares about them!
> >
> > Man, I'm sorry-- I have so much respect and love for my CJ that I want to
expose it big time to the states but with support from the owners like telling
prospective owners you need to brave buying somethng from someone you don;t
know, wait forever to get it and hope to God it is worth a flip-- we're not
going to go anywhere exposing how neat these bikes are like that.
> >
> > Yep, you CAN get a lower price but there is so much more risk than just
going down to your locval bike shop and buying a plastic-fantastic clone, thats
what most people will do. if you actually supported a shop here in the states
that actually had bikes ready to ride on the floor, through customs, tuned up
with someone who would help them with the bike and had parts on the shelf-- I
think our bikes would be much more attractive the the general buyer.
> >
> > Can you explain to me why you would not support that sort of CJ state side
dealer structure?
> >
> > Jim Bounds
> > ------------ ---------
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

My two cents cause thats all its worth.
 
I own two Harleys. I own two CJ's. One was my daily rider for over a year in
Beijing. I bought two and brought two home to Texas.
Before I shipped my bikes from Sidecar Solutions, I negotiated my spares up
front. I also picked and chose my spares to ship.
I agree with your assesment below. Everyone can tell you HD parts are high, but
why do stateside people need to rip you off for CJ parts is another story. But
shortly it is this.
Suppliers of CJ parts in China are spotty. Venders are sometimes 'mom and pop'
machine and manufacturing joints who sometimes can turn out a decent lot of same
parts. Ask any CJ owner who bought rims? It is a fact of life. Any dealer
stateside doesnt want to invest and arm and a leg to order massive inventory in
effort for cheaper shipping.
So for us riders stateside, it is a case of JIT need. If you wanna part, and you
need it now? Look stateside. If you wanna order one from China, go ahead. But if
you find a good supplier, buy two of everything. I am sure if the demand
warrants, you can sell the second part stateside.
It would be nice to see some the the Ural dealers pick up this buisness but they
probably feel it would compete with their core products.
 
Les

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, edsel400 <edsel400@...> wrote:


From: edsel400 <edsel400@...>
Subject: [the Chang Jiang Experience] Re: Scooter Bob Support
To: thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 9:33 PM


 



> Can you explain to me why you would not support that sort of CJ state side
dealer structure?

Sure. I used to do just that. Ten years ago, I bought a bike from a US "dealer"
for $5900 and it was an utter piece of crap. He charged a fortune for parts,
too. ($8 for a 70-cent Chinese spark plug, just one example.) My second bike
came directly from China for considerably less money, and it has been superb in
every respect including followup support. I've known all the guys in China for a
long time and have absolutely no problem dealing with any of them. I share and
appreciate your enthusiasm for these machines but I truly can't see anyone
outside PRC earning a living off of them. Every single US based dealer that
tried in the past ten years went tits up. I'm certainly not gonna pay an arm and
a leg for something I can get elsewhere for a finger. Gotta remember, one of the
most appealing things about these bikes is their affordability. If it weren't
so, I'd be riding a Harley or a real R71. If you want to break into the market,
try starting out as a
  parts source and build your customer base from there. If you offered decent
parts for reasonable prices, I'd support you all the way. I honestly don't see
any reason to pay an additional $1000-2000 to a middleman for the exact same
bike I can have delivered to my door from PRC. You'll find that others on this
list share these ideas.

--- In thechangjiangexperi ence@yahoogroups .com, "coopmotorworks"
<coopmotorworks@ ...> wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> I have religated myself to sit on the sidelines on this list and gleen
information, most has been kinda well but once in a while the thread comes up
that I just have to roll my eyes!
>
> When you said "Any of the CJU sponsors can provide this stuff, and for less
$$$ than a middleman (ie, Scooterbob.) "-- man that was a low blow! Well, I am
just happy I did not throw my towel into the arena of trying to distribute lagit
the CJ here in the states! Can't you see thats why so few people know about
these bikes, there are so few places to find parts and that the dealer network
is on the ropes! If you keep these bikes obscure, thats what the will continue
to be until they cannot be fixed an no one cares about them!
>
> Man, I'm sorry-- I have so much respect and love for my CJ that I want to
expose it big time to the states but with support from the owners like telling
prospective owners you need to brave buying somethng from someone you don;t
know, wait forever to get it and hope to God it is worth a flip-- we're not
going to go anywhere exposing how neat these bikes are like that.
>
> Yep, you CAN get a lower price but there is so much more risk than just going
down to your locval bike shop and buying a plastic-fantastic clone, thats what
most people will do. if you actually supported a shop here in the states that
actually had bikes ready to ride on the floor, through customs, tuned up with
someone who would help them with the bike and had parts on the shelf-- I think
our bikes would be much more attractive the the general buyer.
>
> Can you explain to me why you would not support that sort of CJ state side
dealer structure?
>
> Jim Bounds
> ------------ ---------
>











[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

You say price but really it's much more than that if you are not looking at it
as a hooby object.  If the bikes stay in the realm of a hobby oddity they will
eventually fade away-- no general interest means eventual obscurity.  The CJ has
so much more than that to offer-- as a kick around local transpo machine they
are great and stand out big time.  If the bike was more widley distributed and
available more people would be interested and thats what keeps them going.

The accurate antiwue folks need to thank the retro rod and custom car builders
because they keep the older car interest up-- the same here, we need to support
a general exposure of the CJ to keep it viable for the enthusiasts.

OK, you do alll and I mean all of your own work, some people do not have that
total ability but could do some things with local help.  Thats what a dealer
does for you.  Do you buy your car right off the dock at Ford?  No, there is
dealer support and even if your car is older, the dealer network helps you with
parts and services.  It is important to have a dealer network, ask someone who
drives a Fiat on a regualr basis!

I would love to go to Daytona and have a CJ booth and display several bikes for
sale.  I did display my CK 2 years ago at Daytona and got a pile of interest
going.  Wish I could have kept up the pressure.  The big thing is to have
several through customs showing what is possible with a CK, have them for sale
right then.  That takes money, where does that come from-- from the sale of the
bikes of course.

You buy your groceries from a store, you don't go to the docks and buy your
fish, you buy a beer from a bar, do you down your bartender for marking up that
bottle-- a dealer structure in the states cannot be anything but good, if you
would only support them!

I bought my bike yes, from overseas but not really, I trusted LRM who has Marcus
here in Colorado who gave me confidence that my $ would go to a quality
something.  I could hop a plane and get him if not, that is the only reason I
bought a CJ-- it had nothing to do with trusting someone overseas and I do not
think most people would trust someone that far away with no safeguards I don;t
care how recommended they come.  So if Shou or any of those other guys were
smart, they would support a state side dealer and I bet they would find many
more sales would come.  No, they are only looking at that one day, that one sale
and nothing past that.  I understand thats what they do there-- too bad.

I really enjoy my bike, I just hope someone is around when I need a part-- they
are all hurting--- I wonder why!

Jim Bounds
------------------------

> Can you explain to me why you would not support that sort of CJ state side
dealer structure?

Sure.  I used to do just that.  Ten years ago, I bought a bike from a US
"dealer" for $5900 and it was an utter piece of crap.  He charged a fortune for
parts, too.  ($8 for a 70-cent Chinese spark plug, just one example.)  My second
bike came directly from China for considerably less money, and it has been
superb in every respect including followup support.  I've known all the guys in
China for a long time and have absolutely no problem dealing with any of them. 
I share and appreciate your enthusiasm for these machines but I truly can't see
anyone outside PRC earning a living off of them.  Every single US based dealer
that tried in the past ten years went tits up.  I'm certainly not gonna pay an
arm and a leg for something I can get elsewhere for a finger. Gotta remember,
one of the most appealing things about these bikes is their affordability.  If
it weren't so, I'd be riding a Harley or a real R71.  If you want to break into
the market, try starting out as a parts source and build your customer base from
there.  If you offered decent parts for reasonable prices, I'd support you all
the way.  I honestly don't see any reason to pay an additional $1000-2000 to a
middleman for the exact same bike I can have delivered to my door from PRC. 
You'll find that others on this list share these ideas.





--- In thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com, "coopmotorworks"
<coopmotorworks@...> wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> I have religated myself to sit on the sidelines on this list and gleen
information, most has been kinda well but once in a while the thread comes up
that I just have to roll my eyes!
>
> When you said "Any of the CJU sponsors can provide this stuff, and for less
$$$ than a middleman (ie, Scooterbob.)"-- man that was a low blow!    Well, I am
just happy I did not throw my towel into the arena of trying to distribute lagit
the CJ here in the states!  Can't you see thats why so few people know about
these bikes, there are so few places to find parts and that the dealer network
is on the ropes!  If you keep these bikes obscure, thats what the will continue
to be until they cannot be fixed an no one cares about them!
>
> Man, I'm sorry-- I have so much respect and love for my CJ that I want to
expose it big time to the states but with support from the owners like telling
prospective owners you need to brave buying somethng from someone you don;t
know, wait forever to get it and hope to God it is worth a flip-- we're not
going to go anywhere exposing how neat these bikes are like that.
>
> Yep, you CAN get a lower price but there is so much more risk than just going
down to your locval bike shop and buying a plastic-fantastic clone, thats what
most people will do.  if you actually supported a shop here in the states that
actually had bikes ready to ride on the floor, through customs, tuned up with
someone who would help them with the bike and had parts on the shelf-- I think
our bikes would be much more attractive the the general buyer.
>
> Can you explain to me why you would not support that sort of CJ state side
dealer structure?
>
> Jim Bounds
> ---------------------
>

Dan,

I have religated myself to sit on the sidelines on this list and gleen
information, most has been kinda well but once in a while the thread comes up
that I just have to roll my eyes!

When you said "Any of the CJU sponsors can provide this stuff, and for less $$$
than a middleman (ie, Scooterbob.)"-- man that was a low blow!    Well, I am
just happy I did not throw my towel into the arena of trying to distribute lagit
the CJ here in the states!  Can't you see thats why so few people know about
these bikes, there are so few places to find parts and that the dealer network
is on the ropes!  If you keep these bikes obscure, thats what the will continue
to be until they cannot be fixed an no one cares about them!

Man, I'm sorry-- I have so much respect and love for my CJ that I want to expose
it big time to the states but with support from the owners like telling
prospective owners you need to brave buying somethng from someone you don;t
know, wait forever to get it and hope to God it is worth a flip-- we're not
going to go anywhere exposing how neat these bikes are like that.

Yep, you CAN get a lower price but there is so much more risk than just going
down to your locval bike shop and buying a plastic-fantastic clone, thats what
most people will do.  if you actually supported a shop here in the states that
actually had bikes ready to ride on the floor, through customs, tuned up with
someone who would help them with the bike and had parts on the shelf-- I think
our bikes would be much more attractive the the general buyer.

Can you explain to me why you would not support that sort of CJ state side
dealer structure?

Jim Bounds
---------------------

I have brought in two bikes from Lukes Sidecar-Solutions. In Beijing and
Shanghai.
 
Les

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Alex Sargeant <alexsar@...> wrote:


From: Alex Sargeant <alexsar@...>
Subject: Re: [the Chang Jiang Experience] Re: Rookie CJ Enthusiast / Hopeful
Owner
To: thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 10:13 AM


 



If you deal with an established builder who has shipped to the US frequently you
shouldn't have any trouble with customs.  State licensing departments- -now
that's a whole different kettle of worms.....

I strongly suggest you start your quest by talking with Jimbo.

Alex

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, patrickfmiller84 <patrickfmiller@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: patrickfmiller84 <patrickfmiller@ gmail.com>
Subject: [the Chang Jiang Experience] Re: Rookie CJ Enthusiast / Hopeful Owner
To: thechangjiangexperi ence@yahoogroups .com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 6:03 PM

 

Thanks Dan I was unaware that they had gone out of business. I already had one
picked out haha... too bad I suppose. I haven't spoken with that dealer for
quite some time. Any suggestions of other places to get them from a dealer you
trust? I have heard in my on line travels about bikes being hard to get through
customs. Has anyone else had an experience like this?

--- In thechangjiangexperi ence@yahoogroups .com, "edsel400" <edsel400@.. .>
wrote:

>

> Hi Patrick,

>

> Scooterbob went out of business.

>

> All the builders in China offer the exact same things on your list and the
bikes Scooterbob offered arrived from China with those features.

>

> Any of the CJU sponsors can provide this stuff, and for less $$$ than a
middleman (ie, Scooterbob.)

>

> Good luck with your efforts.

>

> All the best,

>

> Dan

>

>

>

> --- In thechangjiangexperi ence@yahoogroups .com, Patrick Miller
<patrickfmiller@ > wrote:

> >

> > Hello!

> >

> > I am very new to the Chang Jiang market and am very interested in purchasing

> > one after the first of this year. I have done a ton of internet searching

> > and finally found a forum that is up-to-date and people seem very

> > knowledgeable. I was hoping to share in some of that with all of you seeking

> > some short bits of advice in purchasing one of these machines. I found a

> > dealer that I have been in contact with who seems very enthusiastic about

> > the bikes and rebuilds them after they arrive from China including:

> >

> > · 12-volt electricals with E-Start

> >

> > · Upgraded wiring system

> >

> > · Hidden wiring

> >

> > · Japanese or German bearings and oil seals in the engines,

> > transmissions, and final drives

> >

> > · Modern pistons that don't melt

> >

> > · Piston rings that seal

> >

> > · ALL NEW ancilliary components on the engine -- including

> > carburettors, starters and three-phase alternators

> >

> > · ALL NEW soft parts on the whole bike

> >

> > · Total frame re-weld and grind smooth

> >

> > · ROUND wheels with heavy spokes and nipples

> >

> > · "Duck bill" fender on front to keep debris off the engine

> >

> > I pulled this from his web site at http://www.scooterb ob.com/CJ750. html. I

> > have wanted a BMW look-alike (with no disrespect to the Chang Jiang in its

> > own right) and this seems to be one of the more reliable sites I have found

> > and from the photos and my email correspondence I believe these bikes to be

> > a good deal. Although they are a bit higher in price the bonus of having it

> > titled and licensed in the US without shipping hassles and the dealers

> > willingness to create the exact style you want I believe are huge selling

> > points for me. If I could please get any amount of advice on CJ750's when

> > purchasing and things that are good to know it would be much appreciated.

> >

> > Patrick

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]











[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

If you deal with an established builder who has shipped to the US frequently you
shouldn't have any trouble with customs.  State licensing departments--now
that's a whole different kettle of worms.....

I strongly suggest you start your quest by talking with Jimbo.

Alex

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, patrickfmiller84 <patrickfmiller@...> wrote:

From: patrickfmiller84 <patrickfmiller@...>
Subject: [the Chang Jiang Experience] Re: Rookie CJ Enthusiast / Hopeful Owner
To: thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 6:03 PM







 











Thanks Dan I was unaware that they had gone out of business. I already had one
picked out haha... too bad I suppose. I haven't spoken with that dealer for
quite some time. Any suggestions of other places to get them from a dealer you
trust? I have heard in my on line travels about bikes being hard to get through
customs. Has anyone else had an experience like this?



--- In thechangjiangexperi ence@yahoogroups .com, "edsel400" <edsel400@.. .>
wrote:

>

> Hi Patrick,

>

> Scooterbob went out of business.

>

> All the builders in China offer the exact same things on your list and the
bikes Scooterbob offered arrived from China with those features.

>

> Any of the CJU sponsors can provide this stuff, and for less $$$ than a
middleman (ie, Scooterbob.)

>

> Good luck with your efforts.

>

> All the best,

>

> Dan

>

>

>

> --- In thechangjiangexperi ence@yahoogroups .com, Patrick Miller
<patrickfmiller@ > wrote:

> >

> > Hello!

> >

> > I am very new to the Chang Jiang market and am very interested in purchasing

> > one after the first of this year. I have done a ton of internet searching

> > and finally found a forum that is up-to-date and people seem very

> > knowledgeable. I was hoping to share in some of that with all of you seeking

> > some short bits of advice in purchasing one of these machines. I found a

> > dealer that I have been in contact with who seems very enthusiastic about

> > the bikes and rebuilds them after they arrive from China including:

> >

> > ·         12-volt electricals with E-Start

> >

> > ·         Upgraded wiring system

> >

> > ·         Hidden wiring

> >

> > ·         Japanese or German bearings and oil seals in the engines,

> > transmissions, and final drives

> >

> > ·         Modern pistons that don't melt

> >

> > ·         Piston rings that seal

> >

> > ·         ALL NEW ancilliary components on the engine -- including

> > carburettors, starters and three-phase alternators

> >

> > ·         ALL NEW soft parts on the whole bike

> >

> > ·         Total frame re-weld and grind smooth

> >

> > ·         ROUND wheels with heavy spokes and nipples

> >

> > ·         "Duck bill" fender on front to keep debris off the engine

> >

> > I pulled this from his web site at http://www.scooterb ob.com/CJ750. html. I

> > have wanted a BMW look-alike (with no disrespect to the Chang Jiang in its

> > own right) and this seems to be one of the more reliable sites I have found

> > and from the photos and my email correspondence I believe these bikes to be

> > a good deal. Although they are a bit higher in price the bonus of having it

> > titled and licensed in the US without shipping hassles and the dealers

> > willingness to create the exact style you want I believe are huge selling

> > points for me. If I could please get any amount of advice on CJ750's when

> > purchasing and things that are good to know it would be much appreciated.

> >

> > Patrick

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

>

























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Thanks Dan I was unaware that they had gone out of business. I already had one
picked out haha... too bad I suppose. I haven't spoken with that dealer for
quite some time. Any suggestions of other places to get them from a dealer you
trust? I have heard in my on line travels about bikes being hard to get through
customs. Has anyone else had an experience like this?


--- In thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com, "edsel400" <edsel400@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Patrick,
>
> Scooterbob went out of business.
>
> All the builders in China offer the exact same things on your list and the
bikes Scooterbob offered arrived from China with those features.
>
> Any of the CJU sponsors can provide this stuff, and for less $$$ than a
middleman (ie, Scooterbob.)
>
> Good luck with your efforts.
>
> All the best,
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> --- In thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Miller
<patrickfmiller@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > I am very new to the Chang Jiang market and am very interested in purchasing
> > one after the first of this year. I have done a ton of internet searching
> > and finally found a forum that is up-to-date and people seem very
> > knowledgeable. I was hoping to share in some of that with all of you seeking
> > some short bits of advice in purchasing one of these machines. I found a
> > dealer that I have been in contact with who seems very enthusiastic about
> > the bikes and rebuilds them after they arrive from China including:
> >
> > ·         12-volt electricals with E-Start
> >
> > ·         Upgraded wiring system
> >
> > ·         Hidden wiring
> >
> > ·         Japanese or German bearings and oil seals in the engines,
> > transmissions, and final drives
> >
> > ·         Modern pistons that don't melt
> >
> > ·         Piston rings that seal
> >
> > ·         ALL NEW ancilliary components on the engine -- including
> > carburettors, starters and three-phase alternators
> >
> > ·         ALL NEW soft parts on the whole bike
> >
> > ·         Total frame re-weld and grind smooth
> >
> > ·         ROUND wheels with heavy spokes and nipples
> >
> > ·         "Duck bill" fender on front to keep debris off the engine
> >
> > I pulled this from his web site at http://www.scooterbob.com/CJ750.html. I
> > have wanted a BMW look-alike (with no disrespect to the Chang Jiang in its
> > own right) and this seems to be one of the more reliable sites I have found
> > and from the photos and my email correspondence I believe these bikes to be
> > a good deal. Although they are a bit higher in price the bonus of having it
> > titled and licensed in the US without shipping hassles and the dealers
> > willingness to create the exact style you want I believe are huge selling
> > points for me. If I could please get any amount of advice on CJ750's when
> > purchasing and things that are good to know it would be much appreciated.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Actually the inside edge wearing is one of the things that can happen with no
spacer.

Regards,

Richard

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, widowactor <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

From: widowactor <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [the Chang Jiang Experience] Re: 1968 M1M 24P Flathead
To: thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 1:30 PM







 









       Thanks for your input! It is funny you mention they were worn unevenly.
When I took the wheel off the old pads twards the inside edge were worn at a
slight angle on the edge. I bet my new pads were touching and after a long ride
yesterday the noise did decerease. It is still there but not at all as loud as
it was when I started my ride with the new brake shoes.



Rob



--- In thechangjiangexperi ence@yahoogroups .com, Mattias Sjösvärd <mr@...>
wrote:

>

> Rob, I've had this noise also when I've changed brake pads.

> Unfortunatley both with and without the spacer, so I don't think the

> spacer is the whole explanation. In both cases I noticed that the pads

> were unevenly worn, so I simply sanded them a little and after some time

> the noice went away. Not that I neccessarily recommend the same relaxed

> treatment of a potential disastrous noise...

> /Seasword

>

>

> widowactor skrev:

> >

> >

> > Phil

> >

> > I am an idiot..I think I forgot to put on the spacer. I will have to

> > yank the wheel and see. Oddly though my bike originally never had the

> > spacer and never made any noise.

> >

> > -

> >

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

























[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well Patrick, my advice is...Always stay hopeful... Im glad you found
such a good rebuilder to order your bike from.You seem to be a very good
advertizment for him. Seems like you know an awful lot about them
already. Dan out.
--- In thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Miller
<patrickfmiller@...> wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> I am very new to the Chang Jiang market and am very interested in
purchasing
> one after the first of this year. I have done a ton of internet
searching
> and finally found a forum that is up-to-date and people seem very
> knowledgeable. I was hoping to share in some of that with all of you
seeking
> some short bits of advice in purchasing one of these machines. I found
a
> dealer that I have been in contact with who seems very enthusiastic
about
> the bikes and rebuilds them after they arrive from China including:
>
> · 12-volt electricals with E-Start
>
> · Upgraded wiring system
>
> · Hidden wiring
>
> · Japanese or German bearings and oil seals in the engines,
> transmissions, and final drives
>
> · Modern pistons that don't melt
>
> · Piston rings that seal
>
> · ALL NEW ancilliary components on the engine -- including
> carburettors, starters and three-phase alternators
>
> · ALL NEW soft parts on the whole bike
>
> · Total frame re-weld and grind smooth
>
> · ROUND wheels with heavy spokes and nipples
>
> · "Duck bill" fender on front to keep debris off the engine
>
> I pulled this from his web site at
http://www.scooterbob.com/CJ750.html. I
> have wanted a BMW look-alike (with no disrespect to the Chang Jiang in
its
> own right) and this seems to be one of the more reliable sites I have
found
> and from the photos and my email correspondence I believe these bikes
to be
> a good deal. Although they are a bit higher in price the bonus of
having it
> titled and licensed in the US without shipping hassles and the dealers
> willingness to create the exact style you want I believe are huge
selling
> points for me. If I could please get any amount of advice on
CJ750's when
> purchasing and things that are good to know it would be much
appreciated.
>
> Patrick
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Thanks for your input! It is funny you mention they were worn unevenly. When I
took the wheel off the old pads twards the inside edge were worn at a slight
angle on the edge. I bet my new pads were touching and after a long ride
yesterday the noise did decerease. It is still there but not at all as loud as
it was when I started my ride with the new brake shoes.

Rob

--- In thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com, Mattias Sjösvärd <mr@...> wrote:
>
> Rob, I've had this noise also when I've changed brake pads.
> Unfortunatley both with and without the spacer, so I don't think the
> spacer is the whole explanation. In both cases I noticed that the pads
> were unevenly worn, so I simply sanded them a little and after some time
> the noice went away. Not that I neccessarily recommend the same relaxed
> treatment of a potential disastrous noise...
> /Seasword
>
>
> widowactor skrev:
> >
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > I am an idiot..I think I forgot to put on the spacer. I will have to
> > yank the wheel and see. Oddly though my bike originally never had the
> > spacer and never made any noise.
> >
> > -
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi Patrick,

Scooterbob went out of business.

All the builders in China offer the exact same things on your list and the bikes
Scooterbob offered arrived from China with those features.

Any of the CJU sponsors can provide this stuff, and for less $$$ than a
middleman (ie, Scooterbob.)

Good luck with your efforts.

All the best,

Dan



--- In thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Miller
<patrickfmiller@...> wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> I am very new to the Chang Jiang market and am very interested in purchasing
> one after the first of this year. I have done a ton of internet searching
> and finally found a forum that is up-to-date and people seem very
> knowledgeable. I was hoping to share in some of that with all of you seeking
> some short bits of advice in purchasing one of these machines. I found a
> dealer that I have been in contact with who seems very enthusiastic about
> the bikes and rebuilds them after they arrive from China including:
>
> ·         12-volt electricals with E-Start
>
> ·         Upgraded wiring system
>
> ·         Hidden wiring
>
> ·         Japanese or German bearings and oil seals in the engines,
> transmissions, and final drives
>
> ·         Modern pistons that don't melt
>
> ·         Piston rings that seal
>
> ·         ALL NEW ancilliary components on the engine -- including
> carburettors, starters and three-phase alternators
>
> ·         ALL NEW soft parts on the whole bike
>
> ·         Total frame re-weld and grind smooth
>
> ·         ROUND wheels with heavy spokes and nipples
>
> ·         "Duck bill" fender on front to keep debris off the engine
>
> I pulled this from his web site at http://www.scooterbob.com/CJ750.html. I
> have wanted a BMW look-alike (with no disrespect to the Chang Jiang in its
> own right) and this seems to be one of the more reliable sites I have found
> and from the photos and my email correspondence I believe these bikes to be
> a good deal. Although they are a bit higher in price the bonus of having it
> titled and licensed in the US without shipping hassles and the dealers
> willingness to create the exact style you want I believe are huge selling
> points for me. If I could please get any amount of advice on CJ750's when
> purchasing and things that are good to know it would be much appreciated.
>
> Patrick
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Patrick, You can get a CJ direct from China with the mods you want.

Mick

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Patrick Miller <patrickfmiller@...>wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I am very new to the Chang Jiang market and am very interested in
> purchasing
> one after the first of this year. I have done a ton of internet searching
> and finally found a forum that is up-to-date and people seem very
> knowledgeable. I was hoping to share in some of that with all of you
> seeking
> some short bits of advice in purchasing one of these machines. I found a
> dealer that I have been in contact with who seems very enthusiastic about
> the bikes and rebuilds them after they arrive from China including:
>
> ·         12-volt electricals with E-Start
>
> ·         Upgraded wiring system
>
> ·         Hidden wiring
>
> ·         Japanese or German bearings and oil seals in the engines,
> transmissions, and final drives
>
> ·         Modern pistons that don't melt
>
> ·         Piston rings that seal
>
> ·         ALL NEW ancilliary components on the engine -- including
> carburettors, starters and three-phase alternators
>
> ·         ALL NEW soft parts on the whole bike
>
> ·         Total frame re-weld and grind smooth
>
> ·         ROUND wheels with heavy spokes and nipples
>
> ·         "Duck bill" fender on front to keep debris off the engine
>
> I pulled this from his web site at http://www.scooterbob.com/CJ750.html. I
> have wanted a BMW look-alike (with no disrespect to the Chang Jiang in its
> own right) and this seems to be one of the more reliable sites I have found
> and from the photos and my email correspondence I believe these bikes to be
> a good deal. Although they are a bit higher in price the bonus of having it
> titled and licensed in the US without shipping hassles and the dealers
> willingness to create the exact style you want I believe are huge selling
> points for me. If I could please get any amount of advice on CJ750’s when
> purchasing and things that are good to know it would be much appreciated.
>
> Patrick
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello!

I am very new to the Chang Jiang market and am very interested in purchasing
one after the first of this year. I have done a ton of internet searching
and finally found a forum that is up-to-date and people seem very
knowledgeable. I was hoping to share in some of that with all of you seeking
some short bits of advice in purchasing one of these machines. I found a
dealer that I have been in contact with who seems very enthusiastic about
the bikes and rebuilds them after they arrive from China including:

·         12-volt electricals with E-Start

·         Upgraded wiring system

·         Hidden wiring

·         Japanese or German bearings and oil seals in the engines,
transmissions, and final drives

·         Modern pistons that don't melt

·         Piston rings that seal

·         ALL NEW ancilliary components on the engine -- including
carburettors, starters and three-phase alternators

·         ALL NEW soft parts on the whole bike

·         Total frame re-weld and grind smooth

·         ROUND wheels with heavy spokes and nipples

·         "Duck bill" fender on front to keep debris off the engine

I pulled this from his web site at http://www.scooterbob.com/CJ750.html. I
have wanted a BMW look-alike (with no disrespect to the Chang Jiang in its
own right) and this seems to be one of the more reliable sites I have found
and from the photos and my email correspondence I believe these bikes to be
a good deal. Although they are a bit higher in price the bonus of having it
titled and licensed in the US without shipping hassles and the dealers
willingness to create the exact style you want I believe are huge selling
points for me. If I could please get any amount of advice on CJ750’s when
purchasing and things that are good to know it would be much appreciated.

Patrick


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Rob, I've had this noise also when I've changed brake pads.
Unfortunatley both with and without the spacer, so I don't think the
spacer is the whole explanation. In both cases I noticed that the pads
were unevenly worn, so I simply sanded them a little and after some time
the noice went away. Not that I neccessarily recommend the same relaxed
treatment of a potential disastrous noise...
/Seasword


widowactor skrev:
>
>
> Phil
>
> I am an idiot..I think I forgot to put on the spacer. I will have to
> yank the wheel and see. Oddly though my bike originally never had the
> spacer and never made any noise.
>
> -
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Phil

I am an idiot..I think I forgot to put on the spacer. I will have to yank the
wheel and see. Oddly though my bike originally never had the spacer and never
made any noise.

--- In thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com, Phil Smith <phil.drdisk@...>
wrote:
>
> When I assembled my back wheel without the spacer on one occasion the tyre
> hit the driveshaft at one point of its rotation, but only while turning
> left.
> Phil
> <><
>
> 2009/11/9 danc <dnantha@...>
>
> >
> >
> > Hi Rob. I dont know if this is what youve got but my rig was making that
> > sort of sound and it felt like there was some vibration on left turns,
> > even gentle ones. I found that my "U" joint has gone bad and needs
> > replaceing. Something to check any way. You might also take your wheel
> > off and see if you can see where the edge of the shoes have been rubbing
> > on the edge toward the drum. Sometimes Ive had to grind a little angled
> > relief on that side of the shoes to give a little clearance. ...Good
> > luck.....Dan out.
> > --- In
thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com<thechangjiangexperience%40yahoogroups.co\
m>,
> > widowactor
> >
> > <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello CJ Friends!
> > >
> > > Well I have a new small issue. Today I changed my rear brakes as I
> > have done in the past without issue. Everything went well and the brakes
> > work great. I notice though when I turn to the left a slight knocking
> > sound is happening and might be the drive shaft or at least it sounds
> > like it might be the drive shaft flexing and hitting something.
> > >
> > > I watched the drive shaft while riding and I do not see anything
> > weird. Any ideas? Everything seems tight and nothing seems out of wack.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Rob
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Phil
> <><
> Phil Smith
> 26/195 Old Northern Road
> McDowall  QLD  4053
> Australia.
> Phone 0400 407 894 (please leave a message if not answered)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

When I assembled my back wheel without the spacer on one occasion the tyre
hit the driveshaft at one point of its rotation, but only while turning
left.
Phil
<><

2009/11/9 danc <dnantha@...>

>
>
> Hi Rob. I dont know if this is what youve got but my rig was making that
> sort of sound and it felt like there was some vibration on left turns,
> even gentle ones. I found that my "U" joint has gone bad and needs
> replaceing. Something to check any way. You might also take your wheel
> off and see if you can see where the edge of the shoes have been rubbing
> on the edge toward the drum. Sometimes Ive had to grind a little angled
> relief on that side of the shoes to give a little clearance. ...Good
> luck.....Dan out.
> --- In
thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com<thechangjiangexperience%40yahoogroups.co\
m>,
> widowactor
>
> <no_reply@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello CJ Friends!
> >
> > Well I have a new small issue. Today I changed my rear brakes as I
> have done in the past without issue. Everything went well and the brakes
> work great. I notice though when I turn to the left a slight knocking
> sound is happening and might be the drive shaft or at least it sounds
> like it might be the drive shaft flexing and hitting something.
> >
> > I watched the drive shaft while riding and I do not see anything
> weird. Any ideas? Everything seems tight and nothing seems out of wack.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Rob
> >
>
>
>



--
Phil
<><
Phil Smith
26/195 Old Northern Road
McDowall  QLD  4053
Australia.
Phone 0400 407 894 (please leave a message if not answered)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Rob. I dont know if this is what youve got but my rig was making that
sort of sound and it felt like there was some vibration on left turns,
even gentle ones. I found that my "U" joint has gone bad and needs
replaceing.  Something to check any way. You might also take your wheel
off and see if you can see where the edge of the shoes have been rubbing
on the edge toward the drum. Sometimes Ive had to grind a little angled
relief on that side of the shoes to give a little clearance. ...Good
luck.....Dan out.
--- In thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com, widowactor
<no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> Hello CJ Friends!
>
> Well I have a new small issue. Today I changed my rear brakes as I
have done in the past without issue. Everything went well and the brakes
work great. I notice though when I turn to the left a slight knocking
sound is happening and might be the drive shaft or at least it sounds
like it might be the drive shaft flexing and hitting something.
>
> I watched the drive shaft while riding and I do not see anything
weird. Any ideas? Everything seems tight and nothing seems out of wack.
>
> Thanks
>
> Rob
>

Hello CJ Friends!

Well I have a new small issue. Today I changed my rear brakes as I have done in
the past without issue. Everything went well and the brakes work great. I notice
though when I turn to the left a slight knocking sound is happening and might be
the drive shaft or at least it sounds like it might be the drive shaft flexing
and hitting something.

I watched the drive shaft while riding and I do not see anything weird. Any
ideas? Everything seems tight and nothing seems out of wack.

Thanks

Rob

Ahhh ok thanks Phil! It makes sense now.

Rob

--- In thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com, Phil Smith <phil.drdisk@...>
wrote:
>
> You put the axle through the left plunger axle mounting, then through the
> wheel, then you put the spacer over the axle, then you put the axle through
> the rear drive unit.
> Sorry I wasn't a bit clearer first time round.
>
> Phil
> <><
>
> 2009/11/6 widowactor <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
>
> >
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > Do you mean on the axel inside the rear drive or outside the rear drive?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
> > --- In
thechangjiangexperience@yahoogroups.com<thechangjiangexperience%40yahoogroups.co\
m>,
> > Phil Smith <phil.drdisk@> wrote:
> > >
> > > It goes between the wheel and the rear drive unit.
> > >
> > > Phil
> > > <><
> > >
> > > 2009/11/6 widowactor <no_reply@yahoogroups.com<no_reply%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hey guys!
> > > >
> > > > This weekend I am changing my rear brake pads again. Yep a few hard
> > stops
> > > > and mine are making some squealing noises. While I have the tire off I
> > had
> > > > bought the axes spacer (washer) that my bike never had. Does this go on
> > the
> > > > axel right before the axel reaches through the other side of the frame?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks CJ friends!
> > > >
> > > > Rob
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Phil
> > > <><
> > > Phil Smith
> > > 26/195 Old Northern Road
> > > McDowall QLD 4053
> > > Australia.
> > > Phone 0400 407 894 (please leave a message if not answered)
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Phil
> <><
> Phil Smith
> 26/195 Old Northern Road
> McDowall  QLD  4053
> Australia.
> Phone 0400 407 894 (please leave a message if not answered)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>