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#552 From: rodhower@...
Date: Tue Nov 3, 2009 9:50 pm
Subject: Re: Early TEVan prototype 		evdesigner
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From Giovanni,
There was a Chrysler Minivan ( circa 1989-1990 ) converted by Eaton ( Southfield, Mich ) which matches the description. It had  the same Eagle Pitcher Ni-Fe 6 Volt Modules in a large single underbody tub, and the watering system consisted in putting distilled water from upfront until some droplets would show up in an exhaust type tube on the rear of the Vehicle. It was one of our back-up Vehicles .. in 1990.
Rod

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, Steve Hawkins <steveh@...> wrote:

From: Steve Hawkins <steveh@...>
Subject: [tevan] Early TEVan prototype
To: "ev list - tevan - condensed" <tevan@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 1:21 PM

 

Hi all,

 

I recently came across a brochure of a 1990 (yes, 90) TEVan; or at least it is pictured in a 1990 body style.  I am wondering what if it was a prototype?  Its has our c1993 motor and trany, but a single large battery pack rather then the 6 pod style packs the ‘93s have.  It also has a “TEVan” chrome insignia rather then the green stick-on “electric” of the c1993s.

 

I also came across a glove compartment owner’s manual supplement that may or may not be the 90 version, but that shows a different charging receptacle.

 

The brochure was produced by EPRI (Electric Power Research Institute, Inc.) and is presented as a vehicle sales brochure.  They list it as “high performance”.  Smile.

 

Anyone know about early prototypes or what this might be?  I’ll get a copy made as soon as time permits.

 

Steve

 

 

 


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#551 From: "Steve Hawkins" <steveh@...>
Date: Tue Nov 3, 2009 6:21 pm
Subject: Early TEVan prototype 		mmi5408
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Hi all,

 

I recently came across a brochure of a 1990 (yes, 90) TEVan; or at least it is pictured in a 1990 body style.  I am wondering what if it was a prototype?  Its has our c1993 motor and trany, but a single large battery pack rather then the 6 pod style packs the ‘93s have.  It also has a “TEVan” chrome insignia rather then the green stick-on “electric” of the c1993s.

 

I also came across a glove compartment owner’s manual supplement that may or may not be the 90 version, but that shows a different charging receptacle.

 

The brochure was produced by EPRI (Electric Power Research Institute, Inc.) and is presented as a vehicle sales brochure.  They list it as “high performance”.  Smile.

 

Anyone know about early prototypes or what this might be?  I’ll get a copy made as soon as time permits.

 

Steve

 

 

 


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#550 From: Steve Powers <powers_ev@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:36 am
Subject: Kelly Controller is now selling 120 V SepEx Controller 		powers_ev
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I saw it on their website yesterday.  Not enough voltage for a TeVan, but I am
sure all the Soleq owners are thrilled now that they have an alternative to
building their own replacement controller.  I sure could have used that about 6
years ago ....


Specs below:

KDC12602,24V-120V,600A,Separate Excited
Price:  $1,179.00
KDC Separated Excited Brushed DC Motor Speed Controller

Kelly KDC programmable separated excited brushed DC motor controller provides
efficient, smooth and quite controls for electrical vehicles like golf cart,
go-cart, electric motorcycle, fork lift, hybrid vehicle, as well as electric
boat and industry motor speed control. Motor speed controller uses high power
MOSFET, fast PWM to achieve efficiency 99% in most cases. Powerful
microprocessor brings in comprehensive and precise control to high power brushed
motor controllers. This programmable brushed motor controller also allows users
to set parameters, conduct tests, and obtain diagnostic information quickly and
easily.

Features:
•Intelligence with powerful microprocessor.
•Synchronous rectification, ultra low drop, and fast PWM to achieve very high
efficiency.
•Current limit and torque control.
•Low EMC.
•LED fault code helps user debugging.
•Battery protection: current cutback, shutdown and warning at low battery.
• Rugged aluminum housing for maximum heat dissipation.
•Thermal protection: Current cuts back on low temperature and high temperature
to protect battery and controller.
•High pedal protection: Disable operation if power up with non-zero throttle.
•Brake switch is used to start regen.
•0-5V brake signal is used to command regen current.

General Specifications:
•Frequency of Operation: 16.6kHz.
•Standby Battery Current: less than 1 mA.
•Controller power supply current, PWR, <150mA.
•Operating Voltage, B+, 18V to 136V.
•Analog Brake and Throttle Input: 0-5 Volts. Producing 0-5V signal with 3-wire
pot.
•Reverse Alarm, Main Contactor Coil Driver, Meter.
•Full Power Temperature Range: 0℃ to 40℃ (controller case temperature).
•Operating Temperature Range: -30℃ to 90℃, 100℃ shutdown (controller
case temperature).
•Motor Current Limit, 1 minutes: 600A
•Motor Current Limit, continuous:240A

Optional Features:
Optional Waterproof : The price is 38 U.S. dollars.





Steve

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#549 From: jleverington <jleverington@...>
Date: Wed Oct 7, 2009 5:38 pm
Subject: Re: New Controler Option 		jleverington
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Yes that is the company I contacted (Electrocraft Systems).  I contacted several other companies.  I don't remember them all.  Kelly was one of them and they said they couldn't make one that high of a voltage, at least I believe Kelly was the one that said that.  The only one that I heard back yes from was Electrocraft.   Is there anyway to get the profile of the current MCU to mimic what the latest version was doing?

I don't know if I can even afford to throw that much more money into the van.  The wife is getting back onto my back about a new (not new new, just new to her) car for her.   I am also in need of new batteries for my Fiero also.  Would there be anyone interested in my van if I included the original batteries with it?  If you are, send me an email and we can discuss it.

Jared
1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
http://www.ElectricFormula.com
http://www.evalbum.com/1381

--- On Wed, 10/7/09, rodhower@... <rodhower@...> wrote:

From: rodhower@... <rodhower@...>
Subject: Re: [tevan] New Controler Option
To: tevan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 12:01 PM

 

is it this company?
http://pages. interlog. com/~dgv/
or do you have another link.
Hard to believe they could make one that cheap.  I would make sure you have
a contract to actually receive a controller that works or get your money back.
Rod

--- On Wed, 10/7/09, jleverington <jleverington@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: jleverington <jleverington@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [tevan] New Controler Option
To: "TEVan Group" <tevan@yahoogroups. com>
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 12:44 AM

 

Well I had a little bit of time to play with the van and still trying to make the old controller work. I contacted a few companies in the mean time asking about making a new controller for this motor and battery pack. I got a lot of no's but I finally found one company that said that they can make a controller. Here is the response I got:

The price for the first prototype ( including modifications) will be $1750
and delivery in 6 weeks. Re-purchase of the same (after the first one)
will be $980.

The company was ElectroCraft. He said any further details on the old controller would help make this custom controller but he can set it up under a generic mapping. What do you guys think of an option like this? Get rid of 15 year old technology for something brand new. It sounds like the controller is probably the most problematic part of the TEVan.

Jared
1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
http://www.Electric Formula.com
http://www.evalbum. com/1381



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#548 From: rodhower@...
Date: Wed Oct 7, 2009 12:08 pm
Subject: Re: New Controler Option 		evdesigner
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The original motor control was only 350A in the armature circuit.  It would probably fireball at 800, especially if he had the field current map incorrect in relation to the armature current (for example, not applying enough field current at high speed and allowing to much armature current).  It can be done, but sepex requires significant testing to make sure it operates properly without damaging the motor.  The original engineer who designed this had to eventually increase the minimum field current at high speed to prevent commutator arc-over.  I'm not saying it's impossible, but it does require much more testing than using a simple series wound motor where you really only have to worry about maximum voltage applied to the motor (like 192V for an ADC 9") and making sure the RPMs are limited to about 5500 on a hot motor.
Rod

--- On Wed, 10/7/09, Steve Powers <powers_ev@...> wrote:

From: Steve Powers <powers_ev@...>
Subject: Re: [tevan] New Controler Option
To: tevan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 5:26 AM

 

It depends on what specs he is building it to.
 
You need an controller at least equivilent to an 800 Motor Amp on the armature.  You are talking about a powerful controller.  And, you need it to be SepEx and 180 V nominal.
 
Did you contact Kelly Controller?  They did this for someone else at 108 V.
 

 

From: jleverington <jleverington@ yahoo.com>
To: TEVan Group <tevan@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Wed, October 7, 2009 12:44:37 AM
Subject: [tevan] New Controler Option

 

Well I had a little bit of time to play with the van and still trying to make the old controller work. I contacted a few companies in the mean time asking about making a new controller for this motor and battery pack. I got a lot of no's but I finally found one company that said that they can make a controller. Here is the response I got:

The price for the first prototype ( including modifications) will be $1750
and delivery in 6 weeks. Re-purchase of the same (after the first one)
will be $980.

The company was ElectroCraft. He said any further details on the old controller would help make this custom controller but he can set it up under a generic mapping. What do you guys think of an option like this? Get rid of 15 year old technology for something brand new. It sounds like the controller is probably the most problematic part of the TEVan.

Jared
1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
http://www.Electric Formula.com
http://www.evalbum. com/1381



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#547 From: rodhower@...
Date: Wed Oct 7, 2009 12:01 pm
Subject: Re: New Controler Option 		evdesigner
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is it this company?
http://pages.interlog.com/~dgv/
or do you have another link.
Hard to believe they could make one that cheap.  I would make sure you have
a contract to actually receive a controller that works or get your money back.
Rod

--- On Wed, 10/7/09, jleverington <jleverington@...> wrote:

From: jleverington <jleverington@...>
Subject: [tevan] New Controler Option
To: "TEVan Group" <tevan@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 12:44 AM

 

Well I had a little bit of time to play with the van and still trying to make the old controller work. I contacted a few companies in the mean time asking about making a new controller for this motor and battery pack. I got a lot of no's but I finally found one company that said that they can make a controller. Here is the response I got:

The price for the first prototype ( including modifications) will be $1750
and delivery in 6 weeks. Re-purchase of the same (after the first one)
will be $980.

The company was ElectroCraft. He said any further details on the old controller would help make this custom controller but he can set it up under a generic mapping. What do you guys think of an option like this? Get rid of 15 year old technology for something brand new. It sounds like the controller is probably the most problematic part of the TEVan.

Jared
1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
http://www.Electric Formula.com
http://www.evalbum. com/1381


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#546 From: Steve Powers <powers_ev@...>
Date: Wed Oct 7, 2009 9:26 am
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It depends on what specs he is building it to.
 
You need an controller at least equivilent to an 800 Motor Amp on the armature.  You are talking about a powerful controller.  And, you need it to be SepEx and 180 V nominal.
 
Did you contact Kelly Controller?  They did this for someone else at 108 V.
 

 

From: jleverington <jleverington@...>
To: TEVan Group <tevan@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, October 7, 2009 12:44:37 AM
Subject: [tevan] New Controler Option

 

Well I had a little bit of time to play with the van and still trying to make the old controller work. I contacted a few companies in the mean time asking about making a new controller for this motor and battery pack. I got a lot of no's but I finally found one company that said that they can make a controller. Here is the response I got:

The price for the first prototype ( including modifications) will be $1750
and delivery in 6 weeks. Re-purchase of the same (after the first one)
will be $980.

The company was ElectroCraft. He said any further details on the old controller would help make this custom controller but he can set it up under a generic mapping. What do you guys think of an option like this? Get rid of 15 year old technology for something brand new. It sounds like the controller is probably the most problematic part of the TEVan.

Jared
1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
http://www.ElectricFormula.com
http://www.evalbum. com/1381



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#545 From: jleverington <jleverington@...>
Date: Wed Oct 7, 2009 4:44 am
Subject: New Controler Option 		jleverington
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Well I had a little bit of time to play with the van and still trying to make
the old controller work.  I contacted a few companies in the mean time asking
about making a new controller for this motor and battery pack.  I got a lot of
no's but I finally found one company that said that they can make a controller. 
Here is the response I got:

The price for the first prototype ( including modifications) will be $1750
and delivery in 6 weeks.   Re-purchase of the same (after the first one)
will be $980.

The company was ElectroCraft.  He said any further details on the old controller
would help make this custom controller but he can set it up under a generic
mapping.  What do you guys think of an option like this?  Get rid of 15 year old
technology for something brand new.  It sounds like the controller is probably
the most problematic part of the TEVan.

Jared
1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
http://www.ElectricFormula.com
http://www.evalbum.com/1381

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#544 From: alexander hill <disagreeable@...>
Date: Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:16 pm
Subject: Re: I didn't see anyone post the controller algorithm 		teaandbicycles
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I may be ignorant here, but wouldn't a forklift controller work? It is, after all, a forklift motor.

Would Manville electric motors be of help?


On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Steve Powers <powers_ev@...> wrote:

I thought someone would post the actual motor control algorithm in response to Jared's question. I know someone else also working on a home built controller for his TeVan. So far, he has an 800 Amp power stage for the armature. But, he could also benefit from the details of the field control parameters. I bet trial and error of using somewhere between 1 and 20 Amps controlled current on the field would reveal the answer. But, it would be a lot easier if someone actually measured the field on a working vehicle.

My bet is that is starts off with a current driven from about 30 - 50% of the full pack voltage. It probably goes down as low as 5-10% That is a wild guess, but similar to what I have seen on other SepEx systems.

Keep in mind, it should be current control on the field, not voltage control like the armature.

Steve



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#543 From: Steve Powers <powers_ev@...>
Date: Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:58 pm
Subject: I didn't see anyone post the controller algorithm 		powers_ev
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I thought someone would post the actual motor control algorithm in response to
Jared's question.  I know someone else also working on a home built controller
for his TeVan.  So far, he has an 800 Amp power stage for the armature.  But, he
could also benefit from the details of the field control parameters.  I bet
trial and error of using somewhere between 1 and 20 Amps controlled current on
the field would reveal the answer.  But, it would be a lot easier if someone
actually measured the field on a working vehicle.

My bet is that is starts off with a current driven from about 30 - 50% of the
full pack voltage.  It probably goes down as low as 5-10%  That is a wild guess,
but similar to what I have seen on other SepEx systems.

Keep in mind, it should be current control on the field, not voltage control
like the armature.

Steve

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#542 From: Steve Powers <powers_ev@...>
Date: Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:23 am
Subject: Re: Controller Information 		powers_ev
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I know of 3 people who retrofitted Sep Ex systems with other controllers.  Two were 108 V systems.  They other, I think was 96 or 120 V.
 
I am the first person - vehicle was 1979 ETV-1 with GE drive system.  I put a standard PWM on the armature and a 2 stage switched field.  The result was poor.  The car had a resulting top speed of about 30 MPH.  Why?  I couldn't get the field low enough for the top speed.  Also, the acceleration was poor, because my starting field value was also incorrect.
 
Second person - see EVNews about 6 months ago.  It was a Soleq Escort - 108 V system.  He used 2 Kelly Controllers.  One on the armature and one on the field.  His field controller was custom made by Kelly Controls.  He started at "full" field and worked the armature up to maybe 35 - 40 MPH.  Then, he manually weakened the field.  His result also produced poor top speed because he also could not get the field low enough with good control.
 
The stock algorithm for my old car was:
start field full
vary armature 0 - full
hold armature at full
reduce field to obtain higher speed.
 
I know someone else who converted a SepEx to "golf cart controller", but I think it was 96 or 120 V to start with.  He now has an 80 V controller in it.  He called me several times from the road because it overheated - under powered controller.  It is a 1970 something EVA small car - maybe a Fiat or something like that.  It is a very rare car.
 
So, your best bet will still be to fix it right.
 
Or, pull the motor and have someone custom rewire it with a series field.
 
Any other way, I see nothing buy problems, having done this before myself.  The van won't even move at 80 V.  You'll never get good speed with a constant or even 2 stage field.  And, I am talking about 20 - 25 MPH speed if you try this.
 
 
Steve


--- On Thu, 9/24/09, jleverington <jleverington@...> wrote:

From: jleverington <jleverington@...>
Subject: Re: [tevan] Controller Information
To: tevan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 1:55 PM

 
I ditched the DC/DC converter in my Fiero.  I just dropped in a 12 volt motorcycle deep cycle battery.  It has been 100 percent reliable, I just have a 12 volt charger just for that.  So I could see that as a possible upgrade for the van, that DC/DC converter gets hot when the car is charging, that battery fan must use a lot of amperage.

I've had the Negative power disconnected a few times while I pulled the logic card out again to make sure nothing happened to it.  So I disconnected power just to be safe while I pulled out that card.  But the card looks fine.  I took some voltage readings and it looks like it should be powered up just fine.  Just get no re-action when I press on the throttle.  

Does anyone know what the 252 on the LTX means?  I know it isn't battery voltage (because thats at 215 volts) but it looks like it is a number based on voltage because when the batteries self discharged (from weeks of sitting), I saw that numbers as low as 196 (pack voltage was 137 if I remember right).  The battery indicator light is on when that read out is being displayed.

The crazy throught I was having for an after market controller was getting a series controller at as high of a voltage as I can find (probably 144 or 156 volt).  Before you get all excited, I know it is a shunt motor, but hear me out.  A separate relay would be used to power the fields at a set voltage.  Then the series controller should be able to treat it like any series motor.   You wouldn't be able to get the field weakening and what not, so you loose out on some efficiency but having a van runnings is better than one that is efficient and not running.  Another guy in our EAA did this on an air craft generator motor and it has been working fine that way for 2 years now in his EV.  Thats why I was asking the voltage of the fields and what not, to see about possibly trying something like that.

Or another option is to get an 84 volt (I don't think they make a 90 volt one) Shunt controller and split the batteries in 1/2.  So the batteries would be two parralell strings ( 84 volt at 400 Ah).  I think the performance of the van would take a huge hit with this configuration but again it would be a working van.  Max speed would probably be between 45 to 55 with this configuration (guesstimate) .

What do you guys think?  Too much of a work around or compromise?

Jared
1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
http://www.Electric Formula.com
http://www.evalbum. com/1381

--- On Thu, 9/24/09, alexander hill <disagreeable@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: alexander hill <disagreeable@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [tevan] Controller Information
To: tevan@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 5:07 PM

 
Hey Jared,

Unplug the negative battery for one minute and plug it back in to see if it works.  Maybe it's just an odd glitch in my van but it seems to work.

Regen is a function of the controller so if you ditched regen (it's not worth diddly on nife)  it would simplify your retrofit.  You live in flat Texas too.

I think my regen maxed out at 18 amps going down a super long, steep hill.  By the time the batteries absorbed it and gave it back I think it was worth all of a hundred yards of driving anyway.  Steeping on it drew well over a hundred amps. 

I'd imagine dropping another 12v, high amp-hour battery in the van to remove the dc/dc, maybe a flexible 12v solar panel on the roof for your sunny Texas days to help out.  Ditching the dc/dc would simplify the controller and increase range slightly.

The 12v stuff draws less than 4 amps without AC or Heat on,  15 with ...so a high amp hour 12v battery.

Reverse, also in the controller would have to be wired through the existing switch.  Wire the first key position to 12v,  then second to the main controller.

I think it's do-able.  The charger could be done to single phase 15 amps on a timer too like the old elec-trak tractors have.  Guestimate the amount of charge  usually 8-10 hours.  Old NIFE literature suggests overcharging every year or so, so I don't think that an accidental overcharge would be fatal for the batteries.  I'm not sure how crucial the finishing charge is.  You can manually water the batteries too.  Your van would be a bit of a pain in the ass to charge but if you worked it into your daily routine it might be less so.

Good luck man.









On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:54 AM, jleverington <jleverington@ yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone knew what the output voltages and amperages that come out of the controller to power the motor (both sides, windings and what not). I am curious to get some generic numbers from the performance of the controller. Also what kind of amps are coming back from Regen.

Has anyone ever attempted to put an after market controller into the van? I know about the modified controller but I mean an entirely new controller. I am curious to find out what other people have tried and find out what worked and what didn't work. I wouldn't want to repeat anything that didn't work.

I got a repaired controller logic card put into the van. I was able to backup a few inches in the garage. Then a few days later I went and pulled the tires off the van and took them to a shop to get the new tires put on. I got back put the tires onto the van so its back onto its own feet and the van did nothing. Nothing changed between backing it up in the garage and a few days later putting the new tires on, it just sat there. So I don't know what to think about the controller. I will still poke around some more in the controller but loosing faith in that controller.

Jared
1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
http://www.Electric Formula.com
http://www.evalbum. com/1381





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#541 From: jleverington <jleverington@...>
Date: Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:55 pm
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I ditched the DC/DC converter in my Fiero.  I just dropped in a 12 volt motorcycle deep cycle battery.  It has been 100 percent reliable, I just have a 12 volt charger just for that.  So I could see that as a possible upgrade for the van, that DC/DC converter gets hot when the car is charging, that battery fan must use a lot of amperage.

I've had the Negative power disconnected a few times while I pulled the logic card out again to make sure nothing happened to it.  So I disconnected power just to be safe while I pulled out that card.  But the card looks fine.  I took some voltage readings and it looks like it should be powered up just fine.  Just get no re-action when I press on the throttle.  

Does anyone know what the 252 on the LTX means?  I know it isn't battery voltage (because thats at 215 volts) but it looks like it is a number based on voltage because when the batteries self discharged (from weeks of sitting), I saw that numbers as low as 196 (pack voltage was 137 if I remember right).  The battery indicator light is on when that read out is being displayed.

The crazy throught I was having for an after market controller was getting a series controller at as high of a voltage as I can find (probably 144 or 156 volt).  Before you get all excited, I know it is a shunt motor, but hear me out.  A separate relay would be used to power the fields at a set voltage.  Then the series controller should be able to treat it like any series motor.   You wouldn't be able to get the field weakening and what not, so you loose out on some efficiency but having a van runnings is better than one that is efficient and not running.  Another guy in our EAA did this on an air craft generator motor and it has been working fine that way for 2 years now in his EV.  Thats why I was asking the voltage of the fields and what not, to see about possibly trying something like that.

Or another option is to get an 84 volt (I don't think they make a 90 volt one) Shunt controller and split the batteries in 1/2.  So the batteries would be two parralell strings ( 84 volt at 400 Ah).  I think the performance of the van would take a huge hit with this configuration but again it would be a working van.  Max speed would probably be between 45 to 55 with this configuration (guesstimate).

What do you guys think?  Too much of a work around or compromise?

Jared
1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
http://www.ElectricFormula.com
http://www.evalbum.com/1381

--- On Thu, 9/24/09, alexander hill <disagreeable@...> wrote:

From: alexander hill <disagreeable@...>
Subject: Re: [tevan] Controller Information
To: tevan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 24, 2009, 5:07 PM

 

Hey Jared,

Unplug the negative battery for one minute and plug it back in to see if it works.  Maybe it's just an odd glitch in my van but it seems to work.

Regen is a function of the controller so if you ditched regen (it's not worth diddly on nife)  it would simplify your retrofit.  You live in flat Texas too.

I think my regen maxed out at 18 amps going down a super long, steep hill.  By the time the batteries absorbed it and gave it back I think it was worth all of a hundred yards of driving anyway.  Steeping on it drew well over a hundred amps. 

I'd imagine dropping another 12v, high amp-hour battery in the van to remove the dc/dc, maybe a flexible 12v solar panel on the roof for your sunny Texas days to help out.  Ditching the dc/dc would simplify the controller and increase range slightly.

The 12v stuff draws less than 4 amps without AC or Heat on,  15 with ...so a high amp hour 12v battery.

Reverse, also in the controller would have to be wired through the existing switch.  Wire the first key position to 12v,  then second to the main controller.

I think it's do-able.  The charger could be done to single phase 15 amps on a timer too like the old elec-trak tractors have.  Guestimate the amount of charge  usually 8-10 hours.  Old NIFE literature suggests overcharging every year or so, so I don't think that an accidental overcharge would be fatal for the batteries.  I'm not sure how crucial the finishing charge is.  You can manually water the batteries too.  Your van would be a bit of a pain in the ass to charge but if you worked it into your daily routine it might be less so.

Good luck man.









On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:54 AM, jleverington <jleverington@ yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone knew what the output voltages and amperages that come out of the controller to power the motor (both sides, windings and what not). I am curious to get some generic numbers from the performance of the controller. Also what kind of amps are coming back from Regen.

Has anyone ever attempted to put an after market controller into the van? I know about the modified controller but I mean an entirely new controller. I am curious to find out what other people have tried and find out what worked and what didn't work. I wouldn't want to repeat anything that didn't work.

I got a repaired controller logic card put into the van. I was able to backup a few inches in the garage. Then a few days later I went and pulled the tires off the van and took them to a shop to get the new tires put on. I got back put the tires onto the van so its back onto its own feet and the van did nothing. Nothing changed between backing it up in the garage and a few days later putting the new tires on, it just sat there. So I don't know what to think about the controller. I will still poke around some more in the controller but loosing faith in that controller.

Jared
1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
http://www.Electric Formula.com
http://www.evalbum. com/1381




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#540 From: alexander hill <disagreeable@...>
Date: Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:07 pm
Subject: Re: Controller Information 		teaandbicycles
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Hey Jared,

Unplug the negative battery for one minute and plug it back in to see if it works. Maybe it's just an odd glitch in my van but it seems to work.

Regen is a function of the controller so if you ditched regen (it's not worth diddly on nife) it would simplify your retrofit. You live in flat Texas too.

I think my regen maxed out at 18 amps going down a super long, steep hill. By the time the batteries absorbed it and gave it back I think it was worth all of a hundred yards of driving anyway. Steeping on it drew well over a hundred amps.

I'd imagine dropping another 12v, high amp-hour battery in the van to remove the dc/dc, maybe a flexible 12v solar panel on the roof for your sunny Texas days to help out. Ditching the dc/dc would simplify the controller and increase range slightly.

The 12v stuff draws less than 4 amps without AC or Heat on, 15 with ...so a high amp hour 12v battery.

Reverse, also in the controller would have to be wired through the existing switch. Wire the first key position to 12v, then second to the main controller.

I think it's do-able. The charger could be done to single phase 15 amps on a timer too like the old elec-trak tractors have. Guestimate the amount of charge usually 8-10 hours. Old NIFE literature suggests overcharging every year or so, so I don't think that an accidental overcharge would be fatal for the batteries. I'm not sure how crucial the finishing charge is. You can manually water the batteries too. Your van would be a bit of a pain in the ass to charge but if you worked it into your daily routine it might be less so.

Good luck man.









On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:54 AM, jleverington <jleverington@...> wrote:

Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone knew what the output voltages and amperages that come out of the controller to power the motor (both sides, windings and what not). I am curious to get some generic numbers from the performance of the controller. Also what kind of amps are coming back from Regen.

Has anyone ever attempted to put an after market controller into the van? I know about the modified controller but I mean an entirely new controller. I am curious to find out what other people have tried and find out what worked and what didn't work. I wouldn't want to repeat anything that didn't work.

I got a repaired controller logic card put into the van. I was able to backup a few inches in the garage. Then a few days later I went and pulled the tires off the van and took them to a shop to get the new tires put on. I got back put the tires onto the van so its back onto its own feet and the van did nothing. Nothing changed between backing it up in the garage and a few days later putting the new tires on, it just sat there. So I don't know what to think about the controller. I will still poke around some more in the controller but loosing faith in that controller.

Jared
1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
http://www.ElectricFormula.com
http://www.evalbum.com/1381



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#539 From: "teaandbicycles" <disagreeable@...>
Date: Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:11 pm
Subject: Re: Who can fix a dead controller? 		teaandbicycles
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johnschwenk@...

Drop him a line with photos and a description of the problem.



--- In tevan@yahoogroups.com, "y9a5gdkchqcjdej" <yahoo@...> wrote:
>
> Hey!
>
> The controller in my TEVan is still dead :(
>
> Does anybody out there know how I can get her fixed?
>
> Somebody was getting there controller upgraded by a third party right?
> Does anybody know who they are, can they help me rebuild my controller?
>
> Also, does anybody know where I can find a new heat sink plate? I would like
to mount new bigger IGBTs, but I don't want to drill into the old plate if I can
avoid it.
>
> Thanks!
>

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#538 From: jleverington <jleverington@...>
Date: Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:54 pm
Subject: Controller Information 		jleverington
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Hey guys, I was wondering if anyone knew what the output voltages and amperages
that come out of the controller to power the motor (both sides, windings and
what not).  I am curious to get some generic numbers from the performance of the
controller.  Also what kind of amps are coming back from Regen.

Has anyone ever attempted to put an after market controller into the van?  I
know about the modified controller but I mean an entirely new controller.  I am
curious to find out what other people have tried and find out what worked and
what didn't work.  I wouldn't want to repeat anything that didn't work.

I got a repaired controller logic card put into the van.  I was able to backup a
few inches in the garage.  Then a few days later I went and pulled the tires off
the van and took them to a shop to get the new tires put on.  I got back put the
tires onto the van so its back onto its own feet and the van did nothing.   
Nothing changed between backing it up in the garage and a few days later putting
the new tires on, it just sat there.  So I don't know what to think about the
controller.  I will still poke around some more in the controller but loosing
faith in that controller.

Jared
1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
http://www.ElectricFormula.com
http://www.evalbum.com/1381

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#537 From: "y9a5gdkchqcjdej" <yahoo@...>
Date: Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:08 am
Subject: Who can fix a dead controller? 		y9a5gdkchqcjdej
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Hey!

The controller in my TEVan is still dead :(

Does anybody out there know how I can get her fixed?

Somebody was getting there controller upgraded by a third party right?
Does anybody know who they are, can they help me rebuild my controller?

Also, does anybody know where I can find a new heat sink plate? I would like to
mount new bigger IGBTs, but I don't want to drill into the old plate if I can
avoid it.

Thanks!

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#536 From: "Steve Hawkins" <steveh@...>
Date: Thu Sep 10, 2009 2:33 pm
Subject: Re: High quality,Low price! 		mmi5408
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Rod, yep, virus generated, that does make good sense.  If only those clever computer guys would spend their time on something useful like developing electric cars, life would be good !!!  Steve

 


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#535 From: rodhower@...
Date: Wed Sep 9, 2009 3:51 pm
Subject: Re: Re:High quality,Low price! 		evdesigner
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Steve,
James Corder lives in Chicago and previously owned a TEVan (I repaired the motor control for him back in 2003?)  I received the same email on my personal account.
I'm guessing there was some virus that sent that out to all of his contacts.
General spam from random emails won't get through, I make sure everybody that is allowed to post on this list actually knows what a TEVan is and has real interest.
Thanks,
Rod

--- On Wed, 9/9/09, Steve Hawkins <steveh@...> wrote:

From: Steve Hawkins <steveh@...>
Subject: [tevan] Re:High quality,Low price!
To: tevan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 11:29 AM

 

Dear Administrator, this advertising doesn’t seem to apply to TEVan parts or services and I would hope we could prohibit same from the group list going forward.  We’ve been fortunate to avoid this in the past and it would be sad to let it get started now.  Just a thought.  J


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#534 From: "Steve Hawkins" <steveh@...>
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Dear Administrator, this advertising doesn’t seem to apply to TEVan parts or services and I would hope we could prohibit same from the group list going forward.  We’ve been fortunate to avoid this in the past and it would be sad to let it get started now.  Just a thought.  J


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#533 From: james corder <james_corder@...>
Date: Tue Sep 8, 2009 7:16 pm
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#532 From: "kdb378" <kdb378@...>
Date: Mon Aug 3, 2009 2:58 am
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EV.com has been privately held since the early days of the internet and is for
the first time seeking investment partners and offering co-ownership development
rights for those businesses and individuals interested in the Electric Vehicle
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international business and internet incubator) says he is ready to assist others
catch and ride the eco-friendly green wave that's currently sweeping the planet
by helping to promote and sell Electric and Hybrid vehicles using the EV.com
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EV.com is one of only 676 two-letter dot coms in the world and is thus
considered to be one of the rarest and valuable pieces of virtual real estate in
cyberspace.  In addition the term "EV" has become synonymous to mean "Electric
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#531 From: jleverington <jleverington@...>
Date: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:10 pm
Subject: Re: For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan) 		jleverington
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The TEVan uses a 27 hp, 70 hp max (48 kW) separately-excited General Electric DC traction motor coupled to a two-speed FWD trans-axle that featured hi, lo, reverse and park; and is a highway capable vehicle with speeds up to 70 mph. The owner's manual referres to it as a 'semi-automatic transmission' although it uses a clutch.

The batteries were a 200Ah batteries in six removable pods under the floor of the van, delivering 60 to 80 miles of range depending on conditions.  It depends on which batteries are use, the mileage can go up or down.

Jared
1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
http://www.ElectricFormula.com
http://www.evalbum.com/1381

--- On Wed, 7/29/09, martin cloutier <delivry2me2@...> wrote:

From: martin cloutier <delivry2me2@...>
Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan)
To: tevan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2009, 12:29 PM

 

 
Hi I forgot to ask the speed on highway and the running time
Martin
 

--- On Tue, 7/28/09, jleverington <jleverington@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: jleverington <jleverington@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan)
To: tevan@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 3:09 PM

 
I am in Murphy, TX which is just outside of Dallas Texas (North East side).  I am aprox 6 or 7 miles off the interstate (I-190), so it should be easy for a transport company to pick up.

Jared
1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
http://www.Electric Formula.com
http://www.evalbum. com/1381

--- On Tue, 7/28/09, martin cloutier <delivry2me2@ yahoo.ca> wrote:

From: martin cloutier <delivry2me2@ yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan)
To: tevan@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 1:15 PM

 
Hi were the van  located I need to check for transport
Martin

--- On Sun, 7/26/09, Steve Powers <powers_ev@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Steve Powers <powers_ev@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TE Van)
To: tevan@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 3:24 PM

 
I won't recommend or not recommend to anyone to buy one of these.  But, I do know that Group 24 batts (would have to be AGMs) are shorter as well as slightly smaller in length and width than flooded golf cart batts.
 
Also, side note on the NiFe.  All of these batts are now going on 15+ years old.  Some people have had good luck reviving them.  Others have not.  So, don't count on them working like new.  It all depends on how they have been treated and stored.  And, if some are bad, what do you do then ...
 
Side note on resale of EVs right now.  Not a good time.  I have had my car for sale at a very reasonable price for over a year and there is absolutely no interest what so ever any more.  I used to get a few nibbles here and there and even 2 people who were serious about buying - later didn't.  Today, nothing.  I have a friend with an S-10 that we built last November for about $12,000 parts.  Today, he can't even get $4950 for it and all of the parts are less than a year old - top quality stuff.  So, now (unfortunately) is not the time to sell. 
 
 
Steve

--- On Sun, 7/26/09, EV Driver <buckshot@planetkc. com> wrote:

From: EV Driver <buckshot@planetkc. com>
Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan)
To: tevan@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 11:48 AM

 
Jared,

Just for general information I found the Trojans and US Batteries are too tall and would require lowering of the pods a little more than an inch. Since there is less than 6" clearance originally that is a problem.  I would have kept my TeVan if it was easy to put other batteries in it.

The NiFE are supposed to last for many,many years. If they are not leaking it would be worth the time and effort to revive them

Don Buckshot
Roeland Park, Ks

jleverington wrote:
Yeah I have the name of the original designer of the controller.  He said he can repair it for around 150.  Just have to send him the logic card not the whole MCU.  As for the how he will be repairing it, I don't know.  I sent him pictures and he said which part of the card needs repairds.  I forget which part he said it was but he said it is repairable.

The charger isn't being made, it is already here.  It is made by American Monarch.  The model is GPD-I, it says it is a 216 volt  6 Amp, and says it is fully automatic.  I will be throwing the charger in with the van.  I don't have any other info about the charger other than whats written ont he case.

You could throw in any kind of batteries into the battery pods that you like.  Lithium has come a long ways and are now competitive to Lead Acid or any other battery type.  Plus you wouldn't need the watering system so that could be removed and Lithiums would remove a ton of weight (literally).  Also get the benefit of more mileage.  Like I said, I am not sure if the NiFe batteries are even any good.  I thought that I would try my luck with them in my other EV.

Jared
1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
http://www.Electric Formula.com
http://www.evalbum. com/1381

--- On Sat, 7/25/09, alexander hill <disagreeable@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: alexander hill <disagreeable@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan)
To: tevan@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 1:26 PM

 
Thanks for the offer Jared,

There are a bunch of people around me who would be interested if it
came with the nickel iron batteries.

Do you have contact information for who is repairing your card and how?

Also who is making your charger and for how much?

Thanks,

-Alex

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:23 AM, jleverington<jleverington@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yep, I am going to have to sell the van now. I haven't messed with it in a
> long time and the wife wants a vehicle that she can use now. The controller
> logic card has that one part burnt up. I have made contact with someone to
> fix it for around 150 bucks. I have videos of it driving around on my
> youtube site.
>
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Jta2rpwDtjQ
>
> I don't know if the batteries are good yet. But I am keeping those
> batteries. I hope that they are good and I can put them in my Fiero since it
> is getting close to needing a replacement pack. But everything else will be
> going with the van including new tires (they aren't put on yet). I got the
> after market charger that I got from Don, I fixed it so that it can charge a
> 215 volt battery pack. I'm selling it for less than I bought it for and I'm
> throwing in the new tires. I'm asking $6,000.
>
> Let me know anyone is interested. So far I have only sent 1 local email
> about the van for sale and now here. If I don't have any interest, then I
> will post it to the world. So you guys will be getting first dibs.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jared
> 1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
> http://www.Electric Formula.com
> http://www.evalbum. com/1381
>
>







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#530 From: martin cloutier <delivry2me2@...>
Date: Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:29 pm
Subject: Re: For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan) 		delivry2me2
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Hi I forgot to ask the speed on highway and the running time
Martin
 

--- On Tue, 7/28/09, jleverington <jleverington@...> wrote:

From: jleverington <jleverington@...>
Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan)
To: tevan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 3:09 PM

 
I am in Murphy, TX which is just outside of Dallas Texas (North East side).  I am aprox 6 or 7 miles off the interstate (I-190), so it should be easy for a transport company to pick up.

Jared
1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
http://www.Electric Formula.com
http://www.evalbum. com/1381

--- On Tue, 7/28/09, martin cloutier <delivry2me2@ yahoo.ca> wrote:

From: martin cloutier <delivry2me2@ yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan)
To: tevan@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 1:15 PM

 
Hi were the van  located I need to check for transport
Martin

--- On Sun, 7/26/09, Steve Powers <powers_ev@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Steve Powers <powers_ev@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TE Van)
To: tevan@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 3:24 PM

 
I won't recommend or not recommend to anyone to buy one of these.  But, I do know that Group 24 batts (would have to be AGMs) are shorter as well as slightly smaller in length and width than flooded golf cart batts.
 
Also, side note on the NiFe.  All of these batts are now going on 15+ years old.  Some people have had good luck reviving them.  Others have not.  So, don't count on them working like new.  It all depends on how they have been treated and stored.  And, if some are bad, what do you do then ...
 
Side note on resale of EVs right now.  Not a good time.  I have had my car for sale at a very reasonable price for over a year and there is absolutely no interest what so ever any more.  I used to get a few nibbles here and there and even 2 people who were serious about buying - later didn't.  Today, nothing.  I have a friend with an S-10 that we built last November for about $12,000 parts.  Today, he can't even get $4950 for it and all of the parts are less than a year old - top quality stuff.  So, now (unfortunately) is not the time to sell. 
 
 
Steve

--- On Sun, 7/26/09, EV Driver <buckshot@planetkc. com> wrote:

From: EV Driver <buckshot@planetkc. com>
Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan)
To: tevan@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 11:48 AM

 
Jared,

Just for general information I found the Trojans and US Batteries are too tall and would require lowering of the pods a little more than an inch. Since there is less than 6" clearance originally that is a problem.  I would have kept my TeVan if it was easy to put other batteries in it.

The NiFE are supposed to last for many,many years. If they are not leaking it would be worth the time and effort to revive them

Don Buckshot
Roeland Park, Ks

jleverington wrote:
Yeah I have the name of the original designer of the controller.  He said he can repair it for around 150.  Just have to send him the logic card not the whole MCU.  As for the how he will be repairing it, I don't know.  I sent him pictures and he said which part of the card needs repairds.  I forget which part he said it was but he said it is repairable.

The charger isn't being made, it is already here.  It is made by American Monarch.  The model is GPD-I, it says it is a 216 volt  6 Amp, and says it is fully automatic.  I will be throwing the charger in with the van.  I don't have any other info about the charger other than whats written ont he case.

You could throw in any kind of batteries into the battery pods that you like.  Lithium has come a long ways and are now competitive to Lead Acid or any other battery type.  Plus you wouldn't need the watering system so that could be removed and Lithiums would remove a ton of weight (literally).  Also get the benefit of more mileage.  Like I said, I am not sure if the NiFe batteries are even any good.  I thought that I would try my luck with them in my other EV.

Jared
1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
http://www.Electric Formula.com
http://www.evalbum. com/1381

--- On Sat, 7/25/09, alexander hill <disagreeable@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: alexander hill <disagreeable@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan)
To: tevan@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 1:26 PM

 
Thanks for the offer Jared,

There are a bunch of people around me who would be interested if it
came with the nickel iron batteries.

Do you have contact information for who is repairing your card and how?

Also who is making your charger and for how much?

Thanks,

-Alex

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:23 AM, jleverington<jleverington@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yep, I am going to have to sell the van now. I haven't messed with it in a
> long time and the wife wants a vehicle that she can use now. The controller
> logic card has that one part burnt up. I have made contact with someone to
> fix it for around 150 bucks. I have videos of it driving around on my
> youtube site.
>
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Jta2rpwDtjQ
>
> I don't know if the batteries are good yet. But I am keeping those
> batteries. I hope that they are good and I can put them in my Fiero since it
> is getting close to needing a replacement pack. But everything else will be
> going with the van including new tires (they aren't put on yet). I got the
> after market charger that I got from Don, I fixed it so that it can charge a
> 215 volt battery pack. I'm selling it for less than I bought it for and I'm
> throwing in the new tires. I'm asking $6,000.
>
> Let me know anyone is interested. So far I have only sent 1 local email
> about the van for sale and now here. If I don't have any interest, then I
> will post it to the world. So you guys will be getting first dibs.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jared
> 1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
> http://www.Electric Formula.com
> http://www.evalbum. com/1381
>
>






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#529 From: jleverington <jleverington@...>
Date: Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:09 pm
Subject: Re: For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan) 		jleverington
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I am in Murphy, TX which is just outside of Dallas Texas (North East side).  I am aprox 6 or 7 miles off the interstate (I-190), so it should be easy for a transport company to pick up.

Jared
1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
http://www.ElectricFormula.com
http://www.evalbum.com/1381

--- On Tue, 7/28/09, martin cloutier <delivry2me2@...> wrote:

From: martin cloutier <delivry2me2@...>
Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan)
To: tevan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 1:15 PM

 

Hi were the van  located I need to check for transport
Martin

--- On Sun, 7/26/09, Steve Powers <powers_ev@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Steve Powers <powers_ev@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TE Van)
To: tevan@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 3:24 PM

 
I won't recommend or not recommend to anyone to buy one of these.  But, I do know that Group 24 batts (would have to be AGMs) are shorter as well as slightly smaller in length and width than flooded golf cart batts.
 
Also, side note on the NiFe.  All of these batts are now going on 15+ years old.  Some people have had good luck reviving them.  Others have not.  So, don't count on them working like new.  It all depends on how they have been treated and stored.  And, if some are bad, what do you do then ...
 
Side note on resale of EVs right now.  Not a good time.  I have had my car for sale at a very reasonable price for over a year and there is absolutely no interest what so ever any more.  I used to get a few nibbles here and there and even 2 people who were serious about buying - later didn't.  Today, nothing.  I have a friend with an S-10 that we built last November for about $12,000 parts.  Today, he can't even get $4950 for it and all of the parts are less than a year old - top quality stuff.  So, now (unfortunately) is not the time to sell. 
 
 
Steve

--- On Sun, 7/26/09, EV Driver <buckshot@planetkc. com> wrote:

From: EV Driver <buckshot@planetkc. com>
Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan)
To: tevan@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 11:48 AM

 
Jared,

Just for general information I found the Trojans and US Batteries are too tall and would require lowering of the pods a little more than an inch. Since there is less than 6" clearance originally that is a problem.  I would have kept my TeVan if it was easy to put other batteries in it.

The NiFE are supposed to last for many,many years. If they are not leaking it would be worth the time and effort to revive them

Don Buckshot
Roeland Park, Ks

jleverington wrote:
Yeah I have the name of the original designer of the controller.  He said he can repair it for around 150.  Just have to send him the logic card not the whole MCU.  As for the how he will be repairing it, I don't know.  I sent him pictures and he said which part of the card needs repairds.  I forget which part he said it was but he said it is repairable.

The charger isn't being made, it is already here.  It is made by American Monarch.  The model is GPD-I, it says it is a 216 volt  6 Amp, and says it is fully automatic.  I will be throwing the charger in with the van.  I don't have any other info about the charger other than whats written ont he case.

You could throw in any kind of batteries into the battery pods that you like.  Lithium has come a long ways and are now competitive to Lead Acid or any other battery type.  Plus you wouldn't need the watering system so that could be removed and Lithiums would remove a ton of weight (literally).  Also get the benefit of more mileage.  Like I said, I am not sure if the NiFe batteries are even any good.  I thought that I would try my luck with them in my other EV.

Jared
1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
http://www.Electric Formula.com
http://www.evalbum. com/1381

--- On Sat, 7/25/09, alexander hill <disagreeable@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: alexander hill <disagreeable@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan)
To: tevan@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 1:26 PM

 
Thanks for the offer Jared,

There are a bunch of people around me who would be interested if it
came with the nickel iron batteries.

Do you have contact information for who is repairing your card and how?

Also who is making your charger and for how much?

Thanks,

-Alex

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:23 AM, jleverington<jleverington@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yep, I am going to have to sell the van now. I haven't messed with it in a
> long time and the wife wants a vehicle that she can use now. The controller
> logic card has that one part burnt up. I have made contact with someone to
> fix it for around 150 bucks. I have videos of it driving around on my
> youtube site.
>
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Jta2rpwDtjQ
>
> I don't know if the batteries are good yet. But I am keeping those
> batteries. I hope that they are good and I can put them in my Fiero since it
> is getting close to needing a replacement pack. But everything else will be
> going with the van including new tires (they aren't put on yet). I got the
> after market charger that I got from Don, I fixed it so that it can charge a
> 215 volt battery pack. I'm selling it for less than I bought it for and I'm
> throwing in the new tires. I'm asking $6,000.
>
> Let me know anyone is interested. So far I have only sent 1 local email
> about the van for sale and now here. If I don't have any interest, then I
> will post it to the world. So you guys will be getting first dibs.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jared
> 1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
> http://www.Electric Formula.com
> http://www.evalbum. com/1381
>
>





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#528 From: martin cloutier <delivry2me2@...>
Date: Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:15 pm
Subject: Re: For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan) 		delivry2me2
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Hi were the van  located I need to check for transport
Martin

--- On Sun, 7/26/09, Steve Powers <powers_ev@...> wrote:

From: Steve Powers <powers_ev@...>
Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TE Van)
To: tevan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 3:24 PM

 
I won't recommend or not recommend to anyone to buy one of these.  But, I do know that Group 24 batts (would have to be AGMs) are shorter as well as slightly smaller in length and width than flooded golf cart batts.
 
Also, side note on the NiFe.  All of these batts are now going on 15+ years old.  Some people have had good luck reviving them.  Others have not.  So, don't count on them working like new.  It all depends on how they have been treated and stored.  And, if some are bad, what do you do then ...
 
Side note on resale of EVs right now.  Not a good time.  I have had my car for sale at a very reasonable price for over a year and there is absolutely no interest what so ever any more.  I used to get a few nibbles here and there and even 2 people who were serious about buying - later didn't.  Today, nothing.  I have a friend with an S-10 that we built last November for about $12,000 parts.  Today, he can't even get $4950 for it and all of the parts are less than a year old - top quality stuff.  So, now (unfortunately) is not the time to sell. 
 
 
Steve

--- On Sun, 7/26/09, EV Driver <buckshot@planetkc. com> wrote:

From: EV Driver <buckshot@planetkc. com>
Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan)
To: tevan@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 11:48 AM

 
Jared,

Just for general information I found the Trojans and US Batteries are too tall and would require lowering of the pods a little more than an inch. Since there is less than 6" clearance originally that is a problem.  I would have kept my TeVan if it was easy to put other batteries in it.

The NiFE are supposed to last for many,many years. If they are not leaking it would be worth the time and effort to revive them

Don Buckshot
Roeland Park, Ks

jleverington wrote:
Yeah I have the name of the original designer of the controller.  He said he can repair it for around 150.  Just have to send him the logic card not the whole MCU.  As for the how he will be repairing it, I don't know.  I sent him pictures and he said which part of the card needs repairds.  I forget which part he said it was but he said it is repairable.

The charger isn't being made, it is already here.  It is made by American Monarch.  The model is GPD-I, it says it is a 216 volt  6 Amp, and says it is fully automatic.  I will be throwing the charger in with the van.  I don't have any other info about the charger other than whats written ont he case.

You could throw in any kind of batteries into the battery pods that you like.  Lithium has come a long ways and are now competitive to Lead Acid or any other battery type.  Plus you wouldn't need the watering system so that could be removed and Lithiums would remove a ton of weight (literally).  Also get the benefit of more mileage.  Like I said, I am not sure if the NiFe batteries are even any good.  I thought that I would try my luck with them in my other EV.

Jared
1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
http://www.Electric Formula.com
http://www.evalbum. com/1381

--- On Sat, 7/25/09, alexander hill <disagreeable@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: alexander hill <disagreeable@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan)
To: tevan@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 1:26 PM

 
Thanks for the offer Jared,

There are a bunch of people around me who would be interested if it
came with the nickel iron batteries.

Do you have contact information for who is repairing your card and how?

Also who is making your charger and for how much?

Thanks,

-Alex

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:23 AM, jleverington<jleverington@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yep, I am going to have to sell the van now. I haven't messed with it in a
> long time and the wife wants a vehicle that she can use now. The controller
> logic card has that one part burnt up. I have made contact with someone to
> fix it for around 150 bucks. I have videos of it driving around on my
> youtube site.
>
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Jta2rpwDtjQ
>
> I don't know if the batteries are good yet. But I am keeping those
> batteries. I hope that they are good and I can put them in my Fiero since it
> is getting close to needing a replacement pack. But everything else will be
> going with the van including new tires (they aren't put on yet). I got the
> after market charger that I got from Don, I fixed it so that it can charge a
> 215 volt battery pack. I'm selling it for less than I bought it for and I'm
> throwing in the new tires. I'm asking $6,000.
>
> Let me know anyone is interested. So far I have only sent 1 local email
> about the van for sale and now here. If I don't have any interest, then I
> will post it to the world. So you guys will be getting first dibs.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jared
> 1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
> http://www.Electric Formula.com
> http://www.evalbum. com/1381
>
>




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#527 From: Steve Powers <powers_ev@...>
Date: Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:24 pm
Subject: Re: For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan) 		powers_ev
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I won't recommend or not recommend to anyone to buy one of these.  But, I do know that Group 24 batts (would have to be AGMs) are shorter as well as slightly smaller in length and width than flooded golf cart batts.
 
Also, side note on the NiFe.  All of these batts are now going on 15+ years old.  Some people have had good luck reviving them.  Others have not.  So, don't count on them working like new.  It all depends on how they have been treated and stored.  And, if some are bad, what do you do then ...
 
Side note on resale of EVs right now.  Not a good time.  I have had my car for sale at a very reasonable price for over a year and there is absolutely no interest what so ever any more.  I used to get a few nibbles here and there and even 2 people who were serious about buying - later didn't.  Today, nothing.  I have a friend with an S-10 that we built last November for about $12,000 parts.  Today, he can't even get $4950 for it and all of the parts are less than a year old - top quality stuff.  So, now (unfortunately) is not the time to sell. 
 
 
Steve

--- On Sun, 7/26/09, EV Driver <buckshot@...> wrote:

From: EV Driver <buckshot@...>
Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan)
To: tevan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 26, 2009, 11:48 AM

 
Jared,

Just for general information I found the Trojans and US Batteries are too tall and would require lowering of the pods a little more than an inch. Since there is less than 6" clearance originally that is a problem.  I would have kept my TeVan if it was easy to put other batteries in it.

The NiFE are supposed to last for many,many years. If they are not leaking it would be worth the time and effort to revive them

Don Buckshot
Roeland Park, Ks

jleverington wrote:
Yeah I have the name of the original designer of the controller.  He said he can repair it for around 150.  Just have to send him the logic card not the whole MCU.  As for the how he will be repairing it, I don't know.  I sent him pictures and he said which part of the card needs repairds.  I forget which part he said it was but he said it is repairable.

The charger isn't being made, it is already here.  It is made by American Monarch.  The model is GPD-I, it says it is a 216 volt  6 Amp, and says it is fully automatic.  I will be throwing the charger in with the van.  I don't have any other info about the charger other than whats written ont he case.

You could throw in any kind of batteries into the battery pods that you like.  Lithium has come a long ways and are now competitive to Lead Acid or any other battery type.  Plus you wouldn't need the watering system so that could be removed and Lithiums would remove a ton of weight (literally).  Also get the benefit of more mileage.  Like I said, I am not sure if the NiFe batteries are even any good.  I thought that I would try my luck with them in my other EV.

Jared
1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
http://www.Electric Formula.com
http://www.evalbum. com/1381

--- On Sat, 7/25/09, alexander hill <disagreeable@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: alexander hill <disagreeable@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan)
To: tevan@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 1:26 PM

 
Thanks for the offer Jared,

There are a bunch of people around me who would be interested if it
came with the nickel iron batteries.

Do you have contact information for who is repairing your card and how?

Also who is making your charger and for how much?

Thanks,

-Alex

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:23 AM, jleverington<jleverington@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yep, I am going to have to sell the van now. I haven't messed with it in a
> long time and the wife wants a vehicle that she can use now. The controller
> logic card has that one part burnt up. I have made contact with someone to
> fix it for around 150 bucks. I have videos of it driving around on my
> youtube site.
>
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Jta2rpwDtjQ
>
> I don't know if the batteries are good yet. But I am keeping those
> batteries. I hope that they are good and I can put them in my Fiero since it
> is getting close to needing a replacement pack. But everything else will be
> going with the van including new tires (they aren't put on yet). I got the
> after market charger that I got from Don, I fixed it so that it can charge a
> 215 volt battery pack. I'm selling it for less than I bought it for and I'm
> throwing in the new tires. I'm asking $6,000.
>
> Let me know anyone is interested. So far I have only sent 1 local email
> about the van for sale and now here. If I don't have any interest, then I
> will post it to the world. So you guys will be getting first dibs.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jared
> 1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
> http://www.Electric Formula.com
> http://www.evalbum. com/1381
>
>



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#526 From: EV Driver <buckshot@...>
Date: Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:48 pm
Subject: Re: For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan) 		buckshot2206
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Jared,

Just for general information I found the Trojans and US Batteries are too tall and would require lowering of the pods a little more than an inch. Since there is less than 6" clearance originally that is a problem.  I would have kept my TeVan if it was easy to put other batteries in it.

The NiFE are supposed to last for many,many years. If they are not leaking it would be worth the time and effort to revive them

Don Buckshot
Roeland Park, Ks

jleverington wrote:
Yeah I have the name of the original designer of the controller.  He said he can repair it for around 150.  Just have to send him the logic card not the whole MCU.  As for the how he will be repairing it, I don't know.  I sent him pictures and he said which part of the card needs repairds.  I forget which part he said it was but he said it is repairable.

The charger isn't being made, it is already here.  It is made by American Monarch.  The model is GPD-I, it says it is a 216 volt  6 Amp, and says it is fully automatic.  I will be throwing the charger in with the van.  I don't have any other info about the charger other than whats written ont he case.

You could throw in any kind of batteries into the battery pods that you like.  Lithium has come a long ways and are now competitive to Lead Acid or any other battery type.  Plus you wouldn't need the watering system so that could be removed and Lithiums would remove a ton of weight (literally).  Also get the benefit of more mileage.  Like I said, I am not sure if the NiFe batteries are even any good.  I thought that I would try my luck with them in my other EV.

Jared
1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
http://www.ElectricFormula.com
http://www.evalbum.com/1381

--- On Sat, 7/25/09, alexander hill <disagreeable@...> wrote:

From: alexander hill <disagreeable@...>
Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan)
To: tevan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 1:26 PM

 

Thanks for the offer Jared,

There are a bunch of people around me who would be interested if it
came with the nickel iron batteries.

Do you have contact information for who is repairing your card and how?

Also who is making your charger and for how much?

Thanks,

-Alex

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:23 AM, jleverington<jleverington@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yep, I am going to have to sell the van now. I haven't messed with it in a
> long time and the wife wants a vehicle that she can use now. The controller
> logic card has that one part burnt up. I have made contact with someone to
> fix it for around 150 bucks. I have videos of it driving around on my
> youtube site.
>
> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Jta2rpwDtjQ
>
> I don't know if the batteries are good yet. But I am keeping those
> batteries. I hope that they are good and I can put them in my Fiero since it
> is getting close to needing a replacement pack. But everything else will be
> going with the van including new tires (they aren't put on yet). I got the
> after market charger that I got from Don, I fixed it so that it can charge a
> 215 volt battery pack. I'm selling it for less than I bought it for and I'm
> throwing in the new tires. I'm asking $6,000.
>
> Let me know anyone is interested. So far I have only sent 1 local email
> about the van for sale and now here. If I don't have any interest, then I
> will post it to the world. So you guys will be getting first dibs.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jared
> 1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
> http://www.Electric Formula.com
> http://www.evalbum. com/1381
>
>



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#525 From: alexander hill <disagreeable@...>
Date: Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:28 pm
Subject: Re: For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan) 		teaandbicycles
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Thanks,

Understood.

I'll ask the group if the need arises.

-A



On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 7:21 PM, jleverington<jleverington@...> wrote:
>
>
> I don't know if he wants his information posted to the group. I got help
> from someone else in this group to make contact with him. I was just
> pointing out the fact that I have contact with someone who can fix the
> controller card and would give the buyer his name and info.
>
> Jared
> 1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
> http://www.ElectricFormula.com
> http://www.evalbum.com/1381
>
> --- On Sat, 7/25/09, alexander hill <disagreeable@...> wrote:
>
> From: alexander hill <disagreeable@...>
> Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan)
> To: tevan@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 11:09 PM
>
>
>
> Name? contact info for controller designer?
>
> On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 6:08 PM, jleverington<jleverington@ yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yeah I have the name of the original designer of the controller. He said
>> he
>> can repair it for around 150. Just have to send him the logic card not
>> the
>> whole MCU. As for the how he will be repairing it, I don't know. I sent
>> him pictures and he said which part of the card needs repairds. I forget
>> which part he said it was but he said it is repairable.
>>
>> The charger isn't being made, it is already here. It is made by American
>> Monarch. The model is GPD-I, it says it is a 216 volt 6 Amp, and says it
>> is fully automatic. I will be throwing the charger in with the van. I
>> don't have any other info about the charger other than whats written ont
>> he
>> case.
>>
>> You could throw in any kind of batteries into the battery pods that you
>> like. Lithium has come a long ways and are now competitive to Lead Acid
>> or
>> any other battery type. Plus you wouldn't need the watering system so
>> that
>> could be removed and Lithiums would remove a ton of weight (literally).
>> Also get the benefit of more mileage. Like I said, I am not sure if the
>> NiFe batteries are even any good. I thought that I would try my luck with
>> them in my other EV.
>>
>> Jared
>> 1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
>> http://www.Electric Formula.com
>> http://www.evalbum. com/1381
>>
>> --- On Sat, 7/25/09, alexander hill <disagreeable@ gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: alexander hill <disagreeable@ gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan)
>> To: tevan@yahoogroups. com
>> Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 1:26 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the offer Jared,
>>
>> There are a bunch of people around me who would be interested if it
>> came with the nickel iron batteries.
>>
>> Do you have contact information for who is repairing your card and how?
>>
>> Also who is making your charger and for how much?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Alex
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:23 AM, jleverington< jleverington@ yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Yep, I am going to have to sell the van now. I haven't messed with it in
>>> a
>>> long time and the wife wants a vehicle that she can use now. The
>>> controller
>>> logic card has that one part burnt up. I have made contact with someone
>>> to
>>> fix it for around 150 bucks. I have videos of it driving around on my
>>> youtube site.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Jta2rpwDtjQ
>>>
>>> I don't know if the batteries are good yet. But I am keeping those
>>> batteries. I hope that they are good and I can put them in my Fiero since
>>> it
>>> is getting close to needing a replacement pack. But everything else will
>>> be
>>> going with the van including new tires (they aren't put on yet). I got
>>> the
>>> after market charger that I got from Don, I fixed it so that it can
>>> charge
>>> a
>>> 215 volt battery pack. I'm selling it for less than I bought it for and
>>> I'm
>>> throwing in the new tires. I'm asking $6,000.
>>>
>>> Let me know anyone is interested. So far I have only sent 1 local email
>>> about the van for sale and now here. If I don't have any interest, then I
>>> will post it to the world. So you guys will be getting first dibs.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jared
>>> 1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
>>> http://www.Electric Formula.com
>>> http://www.evalbum. com/1381
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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#524 From: jleverington <jleverington@...>
Date: Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:21 pm
Subject: Re: For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan) 		jleverington
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I don't know if he wants his information posted to the group.  I got help from someone else in this group to make contact with him.  I was just pointing out the fact that I have contact with someone who can fix the controller card and would give the buyer his name and info.

Jared
1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
http://www.ElectricFormula.com
http://www.evalbum.com/1381

--- On Sat, 7/25/09, alexander hill <disagreeable@...> wrote:

From: alexander hill <disagreeable@...>
Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan)
To: tevan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 11:09 PM

 

Name? contact info for controller designer?

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 6:08 PM, jleverington<jleverington@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yeah I have the name of the original designer of the controller.  He said he
> can repair it for around 150.  Just have to send him the logic card not the
> whole MCU.  As for the how he will be repairing it, I don't know.  I sent
> him pictures and he said which part of the card needs repairds.  I forget
> which part he said it was but he said it is repairable.
>
> The charger isn't being made, it is already here.  It is made by American
> Monarch.  The model is GPD-I, it says it is a 216 volt  6 Amp, and says it
> is fully automatic.  I will be throwing the charger in with the van.  I
> don't have any other info about the charger other than whats written ont he
> case.
>
> You could throw in any kind of batteries into the battery pods that you
> like.  Lithium has come a long ways and are now competitive to Lead Acid or
> any other battery type.  Plus you wouldn't need the watering system so that
> could be removed and Lithiums would remove a ton of weight (literally).
> Also get the benefit of more mileage.  Like I said, I am not sure if the
> NiFe batteries are even any good.  I thought that I would try my luck with
> them in my other EV.
>
> Jared
> 1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
> http://www.Electric Formula.com
> http://www.evalbum. com/1381
>
> --- On Sat, 7/25/09, alexander hill <disagreeable@ gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: alexander hill <disagreeable@ gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan)
> To: tevan@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 1:26 PM
>
>
>
> Thanks for the offer Jared,
>
> There are a bunch of people around me who would be interested if it
> came with the nickel iron batteries.
>
> Do you have contact information for who is repairing your card and how?
>
> Also who is making your charger and for how much?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Alex
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:23 AM, jleverington< jleverington@ yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yep, I am going to have to sell the van now. I haven't messed with it in a
>> long time and the wife wants a vehicle that she can use now. The
>> controller
>> logic card has that one part burnt up. I have made contact with someone to
>> fix it for around 150 bucks. I have videos of it driving around on my
>> youtube site.
>>
>> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Jta2rpwDtjQ
>>
>> I don't know if the batteries are good yet. But I am keeping those
>> batteries. I hope that they are good and I can put them in my Fiero since
>> it
>> is getting close to needing a replacement pack. But everything else will
>> be
>> going with the van including new tires (they aren't put on yet). I got the
>> after market charger that I got from Don, I fixed it so that it can charge
>> a
>> 215 volt battery pack. I'm selling it for less than I bought it for and
>> I'm
>> throwing in the new tires. I'm asking $6,000.
>>
>> Let me know anyone is interested. So far I have only sent 1 local email
>> about the van for sale and now here. If I don't have any interest, then I
>> will post it to the world. So you guys will be getting first dibs.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jared
>> 1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
>> http://www.Electric Formula.com
>> http://www.evalbum. com/1381
>>
>>
>
>



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#523 From: alexander hill <disagreeable@...>
Date: Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:09 pm
Subject: Re: For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan) 		teaandbicycles
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Name? contact info for controller designer?



On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 6:08 PM, jleverington<jleverington@...> wrote:
>
>
> Yeah I have the name of the original designer of the controller. He said he
> can repair it for around 150. Just have to send him the logic card not the
> whole MCU. As for the how he will be repairing it, I don't know. I sent
> him pictures and he said which part of the card needs repairds. I forget
> which part he said it was but he said it is repairable.
>
> The charger isn't being made, it is already here. It is made by American
> Monarch. The model is GPD-I, it says it is a 216 volt 6 Amp, and says it
> is fully automatic. I will be throwing the charger in with the van. I
> don't have any other info about the charger other than whats written ont he
> case.
>
> You could throw in any kind of batteries into the battery pods that you
> like. Lithium has come a long ways and are now competitive to Lead Acid or
> any other battery type. Plus you wouldn't need the watering system so that
> could be removed and Lithiums would remove a ton of weight (literally).
> Also get the benefit of more mileage. Like I said, I am not sure if the
> NiFe batteries are even any good. I thought that I would try my luck with
> them in my other EV.
>
> Jared
> 1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
> http://www.ElectricFormula.com
> http://www.evalbum.com/1381
>
> --- On Sat, 7/25/09, alexander hill <disagreeable@...> wrote:
>
> From: alexander hill <disagreeable@...>
> Subject: Re: [tevan] For Sale 1993 Dodge Van EV (TEVan)
> To: tevan@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, July 25, 2009, 1:26 PM
>
>
>
> Thanks for the offer Jared,
>
> There are a bunch of people around me who would be interested if it
> came with the nickel iron batteries.
>
> Do you have contact information for who is repairing your card and how?
>
> Also who is making your charger and for how much?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Alex
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:23 AM, jleverington<jleverington@ yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yep, I am going to have to sell the van now. I haven't messed with it in a
>> long time and the wife wants a vehicle that she can use now. The
>> controller
>> logic card has that one part burnt up. I have made contact with someone to
>> fix it for around 150 bucks. I have videos of it driving around on my
>> youtube site.
>>
>> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Jta2rpwDtjQ
>>
>> I don't know if the batteries are good yet. But I am keeping those
>> batteries. I hope that they are good and I can put them in my Fiero since
>> it
>> is getting close to needing a replacement pack. But everything else will
>> be
>> going with the van including new tires (they aren't put on yet). I got the
>> after market charger that I got from Don, I fixed it so that it can charge
>> a
>> 215 volt battery pack. I'm selling it for less than I bought it for and
>> I'm
>> throwing in the new tires. I'm asking $6,000.
>>
>> Let me know anyone is interested. So far I have only sent 1 local email
>> about the van for sale and now here. If I don't have any interest, then I
>> will post it to the world. So you guys will be getting first dibs.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jared
>> 1984 Pontiac Fiero EV
>> http://www.Electric Formula.com
>> http://www.evalbum. com/1381
>>
>>
>
>

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