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From: Crzymilkman@... [mailto:Crzymilkman@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 3:26 PM
To: TDKing@...
Subject: Re: [team-g-force] Re: Code 24 woes



Tim,

The list isn't completely dead, just doesn't see the traffic that it used
to.
tdk: You're telling me! It used to be crazy busy! Hellabusy!

As for the 24, if you've replaced the TPS and are still seeing the code,
then I would start tracking those wires back into the main harness looking
for a break or doublecheck that the wires are in the proper spots in the
connector (ask me how I know this one).
tdk: I will confess that I didn't change out the sensor myself. A trusted
shop did the work. They claim that once the sensor was replaced, they could
track the throttle on the computer from closed to WOT and back. The fact
that they could track the throttle position suggests the wires are
reconnected in the proper configuration, but I suppose it's possible that
they aren't. Given your parenthetical comment, I assume you've mixed 'em up
yourself. I would expect that this would be a keyed connection if it really
matters, but Ma Mopar may have missed the boat on that. You wouldn't happen
to recall which wire goes where, would you? I don't have a FSM for this
vehicle. (I've since learned my lesson. I now own one for the '03 B1500
Cargo Van and the '95 FXDL.) I suppose the other possibility is that the
new sensor has also become dysfunctional, which would be unfortunate.

How does the car run since you replaced the TPS? Any change at all?
tdk: No. Seems to stumble real bad between just off cold and fully warmed
up (in fact, it's almost undrivable), then it seems to smooth out, pretty
much rather suddenly. Idle speed seems to fluctuate slightly while it's
sittin' in the driveway warming up. At one point before I brought it in to
the shop, the idle speed jumped up to near 1500 RPM, sat there for a while,
then bounced up a couple more hundred RPM. It never dropped off. I had to
shut it down. I know this thing was prone to doing that while free rolling,
like when coming to a stop or coasting in heavy traffic with the clutch in,
but that's more of a momentary thing, like an RPM bump. I understand that
was a quirk of the programming in '86, or at least, that's what I was told
by one dealership, anyway. Something about the emissions controls. They
claimed they actually simulated it by spinning the speedo cable with the car
running on a lift.

If it runs better, but still has the code then I must ask if you've cleared
the code from the computer by disconnecting the negative battery cable for a
few minutes.
tdk: The claim is that this has been done. Several times, in fact. Easy
enough to redo, however, and certainly worth the effort. I'll try it.

Just trying to cover most of the bases since I'm sure that some of us have
all missed some of the simplest things when troubleshooting a problem and
then realized what we missed some time later. Let us know how you make out.

tdk: Thanks. Will do. Between this post and the post before it, I gather,
then, that the only components in this circuit, other than the brain, is the
TPS and the MAP sensor, since the MAP sensor is used if the TPS is hosed.

tdk: Stayed tuned. I'll post my findings and/or results. Glad to hear the
list isn't dead! Thanks much!

Tim Reid
Rustburg, Va.

83.5 Shelby Charger
84 Horizon
85 Shelby Charger
86 Turismo
89 LeBaron convertible
89 LeBaron coupe
90 Daytona ES
04 Grand Caravan




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