Re: Crackdown on those who don't use seatbelts- UK


I thought so but yes it is wrong the driver gets the worse penalty.
It is though unpractical for the points. That law anyway is a money
making scam anyway. Especially if it carries more points than driving
on the wrong side on a one way street for example.

Slightly off topic but related Ive found a couple of sites which
might interest you:
http://www.globalgovernancewatch.org/recent_developments/who-
commission-calls-for-global-response-to-health-inequities

and http://sinforum.freeforums.org/?EBTX_notify=logout which has
discussions about the plenty of threats to civil liberties the UK and
indeed other countries face every second.

Yours
Charles





--- In stickittoclickit@yahoogroups.com, Paul Coxwell
<paulcoxwell@...> wrote:
>
> Charles wrote:
> > In the current situation Paul we were for sure. But one question
my
> > guess is that the points in Ireland only apply to drivers as it
could
> > be complex otherwise given many passangers wouldnt even have a
> > licence. Am I right in this Paul?? Otherwise what for passangers?
>
> Yes, the points apply only to the driver, either for failure buckle
up
> himself or for allowing a child to ride unbuckled (except they've
set
> the age at which the driver ceases to be responsible at 17 instead
of 14
> as it is in the U.K.).
>
> Even if one accepts the idea of compulsion to use belts -- which we
> don't, of course -- this raises questions of disparity in penalties
> between drivers and passengers.
>
> Why should the driver be subject to a harsher penalty (fine PLUS
points)
> than a passenger who is doing exactly the same thing? This means
that
> a driver could end up having his license suspended over multiple
belt
> violations, while a passenger with just as many citations only pays
the
> fine, even if he is a driver himself.
>
> Here's some information on the introduction of the penalty point
system
> in Ireland:
>
> http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories/travel-and-
recreation/motoring-1/driving-offences/penalty-points-for-driving-
offences
>
> And here's a list of the offenses which currently attract points:
>
> http://www.penaltypoints.ie/the_full_list_of_offences.php
>
> Notice how a belt violation carries more points than driving on the
> wrong side of the road or driving the wrong way down a one-way
street!
>
> -Paul.
>