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Re: [solectria_ev] Re: Real Cost Per Mile?


You forgot to add in the coolness factor. :D

I want to put a solar array on the truck bed... it would give be around 10
"free" miles a day, but the savings would never pay for the array
(especily since I recharge at work for free)... but it would look cool. :D

Althow, I could recover a few miles while the truck sits in a parking lot,
down town, when I am hanging out with friends and there is no place to
plug in. :)

Wolf
*wags his tail*
www.wolftronix.com

> Before you jump ship and say "Hey, the price of gas for a 30mpg car at
> $3.00 per gallon is $0.10 per mile. Why should I pay $0.09 per mile for
> batteries and another $0.02 per mile for electricity?" remember that when
> you buy an electric car, it comes with batteries. This is like buying a
> car with the first 2 or 3 years of gas included in the purchase price!
>
> Here is an example:
>
> 1) You buy a Force for $10K with new batteries and drive it 10,000 miles
> per year for 10 years. The batteries last 25,000 miles. You buy
> batteries at 25,000 miles, 50,000 miles, and 75,000 miles. At 100,000
> miles and 10 years later, you sell the vehicle. At $2600 per battery
> pack; 3 packs = $7800. Electricity cost you $0.02 per mile. At 100,000
> miles, you spent $2000 on electricity. Total cost per 100,000 miles is
> $9800.
>
> 2) You buy a 30mpg car from your local dealer. It comes with a free tank
> of gas that lasts 300 miles. You drive it 100,000 miles over a 10 year
> period. The price of gas is $3.00 per gallon on average for that time
> period. You spend $9,970.
>
> Total savings with the Force is $170 over 10 years.
>
> If you kept your Force for 75,000 miles and 7.5 years, you save $770 .
>
> If you kept your Force for 50,000 mile and 5 years, you save $1370.
>
> I'm not trying to estimate maintenance costs, like oil changes, muffler
> replacements and so on versus replacing a charger, etc. Nor am I
> comparing the initial purchase price of the vehicle.
>
> This estimate is guessing that batteries and gas prices will remain flat
> over 10 years.
>
> Personally, I have taken the bet that over the long term, gas prices will
> go up and the price of batteries will go down.
>
> If you compare a 1997 Solectria Force to a 1997 Geo Metro, a Geo Metro
> would be cheaper because the Geo Metro has a retail price of around $3000
> (according to Kelly Blue Book). If you compare a 1997 Solectria Force to
> a 2009 Toyota Prius, the Force is cheaper.
>
> Todd Martin
> '97 Force
> Elgin, IL
>
>
>
>> will@... writes:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> In an effort to truly understand the cost of these vehicles it seems
>> that the following is the biggest cost: batteries. If I conclude that
>> one can actually get 30,000 miles on a pack of 13 Dekas or similiar
>> than:
>>
>> 13 batteries x $200 for one Deka = $2600 / 30,000 = $0.09 per mile
>>
>> Is this correct? If so it seems that they cost about the same per
>> mile as any subcompact gas machine exclusive of wear and tear items.
>>
>> Where are the cost savings? I understand the environmental concerns
>> but want to see real economics.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
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>
>




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I am responding to an old post with the question below by Steve "Where are the cost savings? I understand the environmental concerns but want to see real...
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theoldcars
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Jul 14, 2009
4:38 am

I appreciate your writing on future costs. I have been asked about the costs of driving my electric. I'll have to forward your essay to those who argue the...
packratdaddy
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Jul 14, 2009
11:59 am

Don, I couldn't agree with you more. It is interesting to listen to people who talk about the costs, it really would be nice if true costs could be evaluated...
d. Bouton Baldridge
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Jul 14, 2009
1:17 pm

I have estimated the costs as such and this is just the tip: On a 150,000 travel, this is conservative estimates: 1. 16k for gas 2. 5k for maintenance...
tcg2ki
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Jul 14, 2009
7:33 pm

I have only recently gotten my '93 Force on the road but am keeping records. The cents per mile of electricity used is between 1.7 cents (expressway) and 2.35...
Charles Bliss
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Jul 15, 2009
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However, if they are not lithium ion then that is why you would be replacing them more often. From What I understand lithium would last between 1000-1200...
tcg2ki
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Jul 15, 2009
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Before you jump ship and say "Hey, the price of gas for a 30mpg car at $3.00 per gallon is $0.10 per mile. Why should I pay $0.09 per mile for batteries and...
Todd Martin
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Jul 14, 2009
6:09 pm

You forgot to add in the coolness factor. :D I want to put a solar array on the truck bed... it would give be around 10 "free" miles a day, but the savings...
Wolf
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Jul 14, 2009
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Hello Bouty Yes batteries are a consumable for EVs. Anyone who is only trying to beat the ICE fuel cost alone per mile with an EV battery expense is not going...
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Jul 15, 2009
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Hello Todd Two more things about your break down. An EV is going to be worth a lot more in ten years then the ten year old ICE. Buying A used ICE is going to...
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Jul 15, 2009
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For an AC drive I have always heard the motor is good for a million miles. The only wear items is the bearings so even then your expense to rebuild would not...
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