what does DRM mean and standfor and whats different?

ewan

That sounds like one fabulous model mate...............Does anyone know where I can get an EFE RM664.....silver lady?

 

Steve

Hi Steve
Email me off the group,
I might be able to help you on that one
bob.lear@...
BOB
http;//bobsroutemasterpage.fotopic.net/


--- In rml2271@yahoogroups.com, swharnsby@a... wrote:
>
> That sounds like one fabulous model mate...............Does anyone
know
> where I can get an EFE RM664.....silver lady?
>
> Steve
>

Hi All, found this on ebay have a look.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EFE-RML-Routemaster-First-Barbie-
respray_W0QQitemZ6988834557QQcategoryZ56336QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

john

--- In rml2271@yahoogroups.com, swharnsby@a... wrote:
>
> Congrates matey
>
>
> Steve
>

Thanks for that Steve and welcome to the Group, BTW, I've got a few
thing s to catch up with you on, so I'll e-mail you off the forum.

Graham

I'm happy to report that RML2271 passed her MOT this afternoon. Apart
from a slight problem we had with her not long after John and I
brought her up the road that resulted in the gearbox piston seals
needing renewed, she has performed admirably in the 11 months John and
I have owned her, and has been displayed at three Bus Rallies this
year, so here's to another year of deriving immense pleasure from
driving the world's greatest bus.

Thanks to members Alex Cunningham for the photo of ex-Clydeside RM54,
Dr. Chris Dobbing for two photos of his bus; former Kelvin RM471 and
Bob Lear for the creation of a Scottish Routemasters folder. There is
actually a photo on one of Stuart Till's websites of RM471 still in
Kelvin livery on the 6 Route in Easterhouse, it's very possible that
it is me driving her as 471 was frequently allocated to my duties
during my days as a Crew Driver at Stepps Depot.

The surviving heroes on the 159 provide a nice little numerical tongue
twister, as the following stagger on under increasing layers of dirt.

2307 and 2703; 2375, 2573 and 2753; 2572 and 2752.

In fact stagger is not quite the right word, as several are really
quite spritely and the drivers certainly seem to be able to get the
best out of them. Like the 38, the 159 carries heavy loadings for a
considerable part of the day. Some have been treated to a clean too.

The following seem to be the best, although without taking notes at the
time I may have mixed up a couple or omitted one or two.

895 (noisy g'box) 1975 the best of the lot 2307, 2366(very noisy inside)
2577, 2636, 2619, 2759(bangs and rattles)

What stood out to me about the last buses on the 13 38 and 159 was the
number running around with obviously quite noisy defects, that sound
like like B frame locating bushes and exhausts fouling. One can't
really blame the companies as wear in some parts can be gradual,
expensive to repair and once done someting that then has a lifespan of
quite a few years. With the axe hanging over RMs since 2003 it is
hardly surprising that certain jobs are left until someone finally
refuses to sign the vehicle off as serviceable and it is then
cannibalised instead.

Hi all,
have opened a new photo album called Ex scottishn Routemasters.
1 pic so far RM54 at Streatham.
Will list more when I can.
BOB
http;//bobsroutemasterpage.fotopic.net/

On railway relief service, Nene Valley Railway

http://www.routemaster.dsl.pipex.com/DreamShots.htm

Chris Dobbing, RM471

Hi Graham,
thanks for that I will look forward to it.
I will upload a photofile on this group shortly,thats a good idea.
I will probally begin it after the 159 goes as it takes time to dig
out all the pics,am currently trying to catalogue them anyway.
Regards BOB
http;//bobsroutemasterpage.fotopic.net/



--- In rml2271@yahoogroups.com, "rml2271" <graham.laurie@g...> wrote:
>
> --- In rml2271@yahoogroups.com, "bob31028" <bob.lear@b...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Graham,
> > have uploaded some pics from first day of operation of the
> heritage
> > routes in London including RM1933 which was in fact the bus used
> for
> > the official publicity this morning & has featured on all the
news
> > bulletins.
> > 2 collections uploaded tonight,with 2 more which concentrate on
> the
> > routes going on tomorrow.
> > BTW how is your bus coming on,is their any chance you could send
> us
> > a couple of recent pics.
> > BOB
> > http;//bobsroutemasterpage.fotopic.net/
> >
> > I'll try and get some more photos of RML2271 posted to you Bob,
> including one I found of her operating on the 36 Route some years
> ago when she was allocated to New Cross Garage and before she was
> fitted with her Hopper windows. I was wondering if you could also
> create a folder for the group containing photos of all repatriated
> Routemasters that operated in Scotland from 1985 until 1993, and
> that includes member Doug Wright's preserved bus RM1975 which I
> believe only saw brief service on loan to Clydeside 2000 in 1993.
>
> Here is an updated list, feel free to correct any errors Bob.
>
> Former Clydeside Scottish/Clydeside 2000
>
> Fleet No. / Orig Reg No. / Current Reg No.   / Current Operator
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> RM54     /  VLT 54      / LDS 279A          / Arriva London (159)
> RM441   /   WLT 441    /  LDS 341A         / Sovereign London (13)
>                   (withdrawn from service)
> RM652 /  WLT 652     / LDS 161A-WLT 652 /  Stagecoach London (15)
> RM1913  / ALD 913B  /  ALD 913B        /   First London (9)
> RM1975 /  ALD 975B /   ALD 975B       /    Arriva London (159)
> (Previously owned as a preserved vehicle by D. Wright, Paisley)
> RML900 / WLT 900 /    WLT 900       / Blue Triangle (used on
various
> London Routes)
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>
> Former Kelvin Scottish
>
> Fleet No. /  Reg No.  /  Current Operator
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>
> RM1933   / ALD 933B /  Stagecoach London (15)
> RM1941  /  ALD 941B /  Stagecoach London (15)
>
> Former Stagecoach Glasgow/Bluebird Perth
>
> Fleet No. / Orig Reg No. / Current Reg No.   / Current Operator
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>
> RM1145  /  145 CLT     /  LDS402A           / Arriva London (159)
> RM1968 /   ALD 968B   /   ALD 968B         / Stagecoach London
(15)
>
> > --- In rml2271@yahoogroups.com, "rml2271" <graham.laurie@g...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Former Kelvin Scottish Routemaster RM1933 became the first bus
> to
> > > run on the new London Routemaster Heritage Services. London
> Mayor
> > > Ken Livingstone and Transport for London's Director of Surface
> > > Transport Peter Hendy were both on hand today to formally
launch
> > the
> > > service. Mayor Ken looked a little uncomfortable when a BBC
> London
> > > News reporter asked him what he thought about the grumblings
> > amongst
> > > Londoners about the removal of the majority of RMs from
regular
> > > service.
> > >
> > > Anyway, for the record, the ex-Scottish RMs running on the
> > Heritage
> > > routes are:
> > >
> > > RM652 WLT 652   ex-Clydeside Scottish Paisley Depot
> > >
> > > RM1933 ALD 933B ex-Kelvin Scottish Stepps Depot
> > >
> > > RM1941 ALD 941B ex-Kelvin Scottish Stepps Depot
> > >
> > > RM1968 ALD 968B ex-Stagecoach Glasgow Magicbus Warroch Street
> Depot
> > >                    Bluebird Buses Perth Depot
> > >
> >
>

--- In rml2271@yahoogroups.com, "bob31028" <bob.lear@b...> wrote:
>
> Hi Graham,
> have uploaded some pics from first day of operation of the
heritage
> routes in London including RM1933 which was in fact the bus used
for
> the official publicity this morning & has featured on all the news
> bulletins.
> 2 collections uploaded tonight,with 2 more which concentrate on
the
> routes going on tomorrow.
> BTW how is your bus coming on,is their any chance you could send
us
> a couple of recent pics.
> BOB
> http;//bobsroutemasterpage.fotopic.net/
>
> I'll try and get some more photos of RML2271 posted to you Bob,
including one I found of her operating on the 36 Route some years
ago when she was allocated to New Cross Garage and before she was
fitted with her Hopper windows. I was wondering if you could also
create a folder for the group containing photos of all repatriated
Routemasters that operated in Scotland from 1985 until 1993, and
that includes member Doug Wright's preserved bus RM1975 which I
believe only saw brief service on loan to Clydeside 2000 in 1993.

Here is an updated list, feel free to correct any errors Bob.

Former Clydeside Scottish/Clydeside 2000

Fleet No. / Orig Reg No. / Current Reg No.   / Current Operator
---------------------------------------------------------------------
RM54     /  VLT 54      / LDS 279A          / Arriva London (159)
RM441   /   WLT 441    /  LDS 341A         / Sovereign London (13)
                   (withdrawn from service)
RM652 /  WLT 652     / LDS 161A-WLT 652 /  Stagecoach London (15)
RM1913  / ALD 913B  /  ALD 913B        /   First London (9)
RM1975 /  ALD 975B /   ALD 975B       /    Arriva London (159)
(Previously owned as a preserved vehicle by D. Wright, Paisley)
RML900 / WLT 900 /    WLT 900       / Blue Triangle (used on various
London Routes)

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Former Kelvin Scottish

Fleet No. /  Reg No.  /  Current Operator
---------------------------------------------------------------------

RM1933   / ALD 933B /  Stagecoach London (15)
RM1941  /  ALD 941B /  Stagecoach London (15)

Former Stagecoach Glasgow/Bluebird Perth

Fleet No. / Orig Reg No. / Current Reg No.   / Current Operator
---------------------------------------------------------------------

RM1145  /  145 CLT     /  LDS402A           / Arriva London (159)
RM1968 /   ALD 968B   /   ALD 968B         / Stagecoach London (15)

> --- In rml2271@yahoogroups.com, "rml2271" <graham.laurie@g...>
wrote:
> >
> > Former Kelvin Scottish Routemaster RM1933 became the first bus
to
> > run on the new London Routemaster Heritage Services. London
Mayor
> > Ken Livingstone and Transport for London's Director of Surface
> > Transport Peter Hendy were both on hand today to formally launch
> the
> > service. Mayor Ken looked a little uncomfortable when a BBC
London
> > News reporter asked him what he thought about the grumblings
> amongst
> > Londoners about the removal of the majority of RMs from regular
> > service.
> >
> > Anyway, for the record, the ex-Scottish RMs running on the
> Heritage
> > routes are:
> >
> > RM652 WLT 652   ex-Clydeside Scottish Paisley Depot
> >
> > RM1933 ALD 933B ex-Kelvin Scottish Stepps Depot
> >
> > RM1941 ALD 941B ex-Kelvin Scottish Stepps Depot
> >
> > RM1968 ALD 968B ex-Stagecoach Glasgow Magicbus Warroch Street
Depot
> >                    Bluebird Buses Perth Depot
> >
>

hi bob and graham i have just see her on the news and she looks fit as
anything they have done a good job on her but i wish i was conducting
her again like i did on the 13

Hi Graham,
have uploaded some pics from first day of operation of the heritage
routes in London including RM1933 which was in fact the bus used for
the official publicity this morning & has featured on all the news
bulletins.
2 collections uploaded tonight,with 2 more which concentrate on the
routes going on tomorrow.
BTW how is your bus coming on,is their any chance you could send us
a couple of recent pics.
BOB
http;//bobsroutemasterpage.fotopic.net/


--- In rml2271@yahoogroups.com, "rml2271" <graham.laurie@g...> wrote:
>
> Former Kelvin Scottish Routemaster RM1933 became the first bus to
> run on the new London Routemaster Heritage Services. London Mayor
> Ken Livingstone and Transport for London's Director of Surface
> Transport Peter Hendy were both on hand today to formally launch
the
> service. Mayor Ken looked a little uncomfortable when a BBC London
> News reporter asked him what he thought about the grumblings
amongst
> Londoners about the removal of the majority of RMs from regular
> service.
>
> Anyway, for the record, the ex-Scottish RMs running on the
Heritage
> routes are:
>
> RM652 WLT 652   ex-Clydeside Scottish Paisley Depot
>
> RM1933 ALD 933B ex-Kelvin Scottish Stepps Depot
>
> RM1941 ALD 941B ex-Kelvin Scottish Stepps Depot
>
> RM1968 ALD 968B ex-Stagecoach Glasgow Magicbus Warroch Street Depot
>                    Bluebird Buses Perth Depot
>

Former Kelvin Scottish Routemaster RM1933 became the first bus to
run on the new London Routemaster Heritage Services. London Mayor
Ken Livingstone and Transport for London's Director of Surface
Transport Peter Hendy were both on hand today to formally launch the
service. Mayor Ken looked a little uncomfortable when a BBC London
News reporter asked him what he thought about the grumblings amongst
Londoners about the removal of the majority of RMs from regular
service.

Anyway, for the record, the ex-Scottish RMs running on the Heritage
routes are:

RM652 WLT 652   ex-Clydeside Scottish Paisley Depot

RM1933 ALD 933B ex-Kelvin Scottish Stepps Depot

RM1941 ALD 941B ex-Kelvin Scottish Stepps Depot

RM1968 ALD 968B ex-Stagecoach Glasgow Magicbus Warroch Street Depot
                    Bluebird Buses Perth Depot

I've noticed that at least three Routemasters that served with the
Scottish Bus Group during the late 1980s will be operating on the
Stagecoach London Routemaster Heritage 15 Service, I know Bob Lear
will be out taking snaps that day to add to his excellent web-page.
The buses in question are: ex-Clydeside Scottish RM652, which was
affectionately named 'Rodney the Routemaster' by the then Managing
Director of Clydeside, George Watson. RM652 was the very first
Routemaster to run in service in Glasgow and there are several
photos of her operating the main Glasgow-Johnstone trunk roads while
still in full London Transport livery. The other two buses, former
Kelvin Scottish RMs1933 & 1941 are very familiar to me as they were
allocated to my Depot at Stepps between October 1986 when I
commenced employment as a conductor and August 1987 when the
decision was sadly taken to reduce crew operation from three routes
down to two. I conducted on both those buses during that time and my
fondest memories were of RM1941 in particular, not only was it a
flying machine, but the front heater blasted out piping hot air,
which was just as well as the winter of 1986/87 was one of the
coldest in memory, so it will be good to know that two of my old
charges will still be running in London next year.

Yeah will be very sad to see them all gone,  bendys are useless and unreliable

Hi all,
Another sad day in London yesterday,route 38 now BENDY.
Thoroughly good day with at least 18 specials & extras not all in
service but around the route.
have uploaded pics of this event on my site;
http;//bobsroutemasterpage.fotopic.net/
Enjoy
BOB





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Hi all,
Another sad day in London yesterday,route 38 now BENDY.
Thoroughly good day with at least 18 specials & extras not all in
service but around the route.
have uploaded pics of this event on my site;
http;//bobsroutemasterpage.fotopic.net/
Enjoy
BOB

Hi all,
photos of the last day of route 13 by routemaster are now available on
my site;
http;//bobsroutemasterpage.fotopic.net/
Many thanks
BOB

Hi all,

Just to let you know RML 2271 myself and my sons are in the local
papers up here and on the council web page heres the link for you to
see.


http://www.eastrenfrewshire.gov.uk/gtga_np_display_page_news.htm?
ID=28128

Thanks to Graham for the use of 2271 for the day

John O'Hara
(Group Mod)

Hi Graham,how about posting some pics of your bus from last weeks
wedding trip,
Not alot of activity as yet are you all shy?
If you are not upto date with whats going on down the smoke, then of
the 3 RM routes left the 13 goes next friday with the 38 following the
Friday after,specials will be running on both these days.The 38 will
be worth the trip south.
Tha last route to go will be the 159 which is on fri 9th Dec with an
enthusiasts day on the Thu.
TFLs heritage routes commence on the 14th November.
After December I presume that Edinburgh will boast the most RMs in
daily service in the UK.
Responses please
BOB
http;//bobsroutemasterpage.fotopic.net/

Hi Graham,
A great idea to start up a forum north of the border.
I am looking forward to hearing how things are going with the numerous
numbers of RMs now in Scotland.
I have added a link to my fotopic site which I hope will be of help &
enjoyment to all.
For anyone in the London area this week, First are running an RM on
routes 1 & 257 on Saturday,if you need more details then let me know.
BOB.
http;//bobsroutemasterpage.fotopic.net/

I would just like to extend a warm welcome to our first two new
members, both are Routemaster owners, RM1403 and RML2755 respectively,
hope you enjoy the forum.

As owner of the Scottish Routemaster Owner's Group and also
preserved RML2271, I would like to welcome everyone to the forum,
Routemaster owners and enthusiasts alike. There has been quite a
renaissance in Routemaster ownership in Scotland over the past two
years since the mass withdrawal of Routemasters in London commenced.
During the late 1980s, Glasgow was the biggest user of Routemasters
outside of London with over a hundred running in the City for
Clydeside Scottish, Kelvin Scottish and Stagecoach respectively.

Here is a list of Routemasters currently in preservation and also
being used commercially in Scotland.

Commercially operated Routemasters:

First Glasgow Private Hires: Five, all RMLs: 2365, JJD 365D,(This
bus is painted in Glasgow Corporation Transport Livery), 2486
JJD 486D, 2553 JJD 553D, 2623 NML 623E and 2677 SMK 677F.
RM759, WLT 759 and RML2717, SMK 717F have been withdrawn and are up
for sale.

Mac Tours: Twenty, various types including standard closed and open
top RMs, closed top RMCs, convertible open top RCLs, semi open top
ERMs and two closed top RMAs, a real variety for the Routemaster
connoisseurs, all twenty have now been re-fitted with Cummins Euro2B
low emission engines and Allison MT electronic gearboxes.

Wilson's Scottish Travel Coaches: Three, all RMLs, 891, HSL 660,ex-
WLT 891 which has been converted to semi open-top, 2432, JJD 432D
and 2697, SMK 697F. All three buses have been re-fitted with Cummins
Euro2B low emission engines and Allison MT electronic gearboxes.

Preserved Routemasters:

Standard RMs:

RM560: EDS 50A, ex-WLT 560 Based at Stagecoach Western, Kilmarnock
Depot, owned by Mr. Brian Soutar, ex-Stagecoach Bluebird Buses,
Perth, #602.

RM606: EDS 320A, ex-WLT 606 Based at Scottish Vintage Bus Museum,
Lathalmond, owned by Mr. John Lydiate, ex-Kelvin Scottish/Central
#1919.

RM910: EDS 288A, ex-WLT 910 Based at Scottish Vintage Bus Museum,
Lathalmond, owned by Mr. Robin Thomas, ex-Kelvin Scottish/Central
#1929.

RM1607: LDS 201A, ex-607 DYE Based at Scottish Vintage Bus Museum,
Lathalmond, owned by Mr. Brian Soutar, ex-Stagecoach Bluebird Buses,
Perth, #607.

RM1966: ALD 966B, Based at Glasgow Busworld Museum, Hillington Park,
owned by Mr. Charles Billette, ex-Blackpool Transport #529.

RM2121: CUV 121C, Based at Glasgow Vintage Vehicle Trust, Bridgeton,
owned by Mr. Brian Turner, ex-Stagecoach Magicbus, Glasgow, #618 and
Kelvin Central Buses, #1947. During 1993, the bus was loaned to
Clydeside 2000 for a brief Paisley-Glasgow fling before being
acquired by Mr. Turner for preservation in 1996.

RMLs:

RML883: TAS 466, ex-WLT 883, Based at Glasgow Busworld Museum,
Hillington Park, owned by Mr. Charles Billette, ex-London Central
RML883 allocated to Camberwell Garage.

RML2271: CUV 271C, Based at Glasgow Busworld Museum, Hillington
Park, owned by Mr. Graham Laurie and Mr. John McMaster, ex-London
Central RML2271 allocated to Camberwell Garage.

RML2444: JJD 444D, Based at Stagecoach Western, Kilmarnock Depot,
owned by Mr. Brian Soutar, ex-Stagecoach East London RML2444
allocated to Bow Garage.

RML2465: JJD 465D, Based at Silver Fox Depot, Renfrew Ferry, owned
by Mr. Anthony Arcari and Mr. Don Carville, ex-London United RML2465
allocated to Shepherds Bush Garage.

RML2484: JJD 484D, Based in Aberdeen, owned by Mr. Lyndsey Mitchell,
ex-London Central RML2484 allocated to Camberwell Garage.

RML2550: JJD 550D, Based at Stagecoach Western, Dumfries Depot,
owned by Mr. Brian Soutar, used by Dumfries Town Council, ex-
Stagecoach East London RML2550, allocated to Bow Garage.

RML2554: JJD 554D, Based in Berwick-upon-Tweed, owned by Mr.William
Robson, ex-London Central RML2554 allocated to Camberwell Garage.

RML2600: NML 600E, Based at McKindless Bus Depot, Newmains,
Lanarkshire, owned by Mr. Vincent McKindless, ex-London United
RML2600 allocated to Shepherds Bush Garage.

RML for sale:

RML2681: SMK 681F, Based at Blythswood Motors Bus Dealers Glasgow,
owned by proprietor Mr. George Wright, ex-Metroline London RML2681
allocated to Willesden Garage.

More information on this bus can be obtained on the Blythswood
Motors web site at: http://www.blythswoodmotors.co.uk/double.php