It would be probably time to contact blueskymotors to find out how many and
how expensive the conversion parts to NIMH would be ... Or it may be time to
actually build a kit for the conversion  itself .... Right now the NIMH
conversion first has all the correct parts and charging algorithm etc. to make
for a changeover ...

  even with the NIMH changeover we need a good company that will provide us with
a regulator system to protect the cells from over charging ...  I believe that
we may have found 2 answers at present ... both need testing ....  I will be
testing one of them this month on two ranger ev conversions ...



   if we try to make our own kit we can run into a lot more issues ... limiting
the charging ...

lead acids are a lot higher charger algorithm harder to control a 420 volt
charge then a 350 to 385 volt charge ...  the cooling issue ...  and then the 39
sense cable issue  ......

do you do the 12 volt spoof first or do you up the cells to 117 to accomodate
them ...



   Then we also will need to address the legality and liability of changing the
system from a known original system to a untested system .........



   a Lot to think about , it is not just the battery money you need to think
about ...



   a kit to convert these presently is still going to tip the $20K mark to do it
right ...



   I am all for doing this but everyone needs to know up front the costs as I
hate to see a bunch of owners put up everything they can scrape together for a
set of batteries and then find out they are still $6 to $8K away from getting
their ranger ev on the road ...



   Thanks,  Lan

> To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com
> From: ian.ward@...
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:56:54 -0500
> Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4 Group Buy
>
> I'm very interested.
>
> I think it is best to start with a poll to gauge the level of interest. We
> can then contact a few suppliers that have proven to have good product to
> see how much of a break we can get. We can also cross-post our results with
> some other EV/LiFePO4 lists to increase the volume of the participation, if
> necessary.
>
> Please respond if you are also interested and can commit to approximately
> $12K for a Ranger-size battery. Hopefully we could bring that cost down.
>
> If you are planning on converting a lead acid Ranger, also anticipate buying
> parts for the conversion to NiMH hardware. I would offer to work with Lanny
> to help put together a kit and potential group buy for this.
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Scott Couchman
<scottcouchman@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > OK, let's talk $$.....what is the right price? How much are people willing
> > to write checks for to get a new LiFePO4 pack today? If we're at all close,
> > I'm willing to work to make it happen. If you're interested in a Ranger EV
> > pack, please share the price at which it works for you. The prices of these
> > cells continue to get better and better, we've got opportunities to leverage
> > with RAV4 owners and other EV vehicle companies. Let's find a way to make it
> > happen. Maybe Lanny can share what he's paying now for packs?? (I don't mean
> > to put you on the spot ;-) Scott
> >
> > --- On Fri, 11/13/09, RONNY DEATON <ya454@... <ya454%40yahoo.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: RONNY DEATON <ya454@... <ya454%40yahoo.com>>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4 Group Buy
> > To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com <ranger-ev%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 6:38 AM
> >
> >
> > Yes I would be interested in buying a pack if the price is right Ronny
> > Deaton
> >
> > --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Scott Couchman
<scottcouchman@...<scottcouchman%40yahoo.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman@... <scottcouchman%40yahoo.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4 Group Buy
> > To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com <ranger-ev%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 4:35 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > Larry, Karen and Terry, Good to hear from all three of you on LiFePO4! I'm
> > convinced that right now, LiFePO4 offers the best hope for extending the
> > life of the Ranger EV beyond the life of the 8v PbA today or NiMH packs
> > tomorrow. The weight and range and safety and commercial availability all
> > point toward success. But, I'm not convinced that they're a 'plug and play'
> > solution today in the Ranger EV. We may be close, but LiFePO4 seems to take
> > more TLC from a charging standpoint and there may still be some unknowns
> > lurking out there. That said, if there's enough interest, there's no reason
> > not to pool the resources of the group for a buy. I'm still concerned that
> > LiFePO4 group buys in the past resulted in packs with bad cells and some
> > general unhappiness. Different supplier and improvements in technology may
> > help. Lanny's really been leading the charge (pun intendied) on this
> > effort...... does Lanny think we're ready for a large scale buy?? How price
> > sensitive are LiFePO4 cells right now?? I know Lanny's bought cells for
> > about 3-5 packs. How much do you think we can save by buying enough for
> > twice or three times that many?? Anyone have any ideas?? Scott
> >
> > --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Karen orTerry Larson <tandkrlarson@ sbcglobal. net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Karen orTerry Larson <tandkrlarson@ sbcglobal. net>
> > Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4
> > To: ranger-ev@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 9:14 PM
> >
> > I am interested in learning more about these. . . . A price break would be
> > nice. . . . Terry
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: Larry <lhorsleyev@yahoo. com>
> > To: ranger-ev@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 6:13:10 AM
> > Subject: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4
> >
> >
> > Is there anyone getting a group buy for the LifePo4 batteries? Thanks Larry
> > H.
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right now by the time you pay customs fees and shipping a set of 100 Hi-Power
cells at 100AH will cost right at $15K .................. That is through a
reputable U.S. company ..  buying direct from anyplace out side the U.S. can be
tricky and not guaranteed ...



   the other subject is a U.S. company can claim a warranty or Guarantee and you
can make them stick by it .. a company outside the U.S. is hard to enforce any
warranty ...



   Lan



To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com
From: scottcouchman@...
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:55:46 -0800
Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4 Group Buy





OK, let's talk $$.....what is the right price? How much are people willing to
write checks for to get a new LiFePO4 pack today? If we're at all close, I'm
willing to work to make it happen. If you're interested in a Ranger EV pack,
please share the price at which it works for you. The prices of these cells
continue to get better and better, we've got opportunities to leverage with RAV4
owners and other EV vehicle companies. Let's find a way to make it happen. Maybe
Lanny can share what he's paying now for packs?? (I don't mean to put you on the
spot ;-) Scott

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, RONNY DEATON <ya454@...> wrote:

From: RONNY DEATON <ya454@...>
Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4 Group Buy
To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 6:38 AM

Yes I would be interested in buying a pack if the price is right Ronny Deaton

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, Scott Couchman <scottcouchman@...> wrote:

From: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman@...>
Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4 Group Buy
To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 4:35 AM



Larry, Karen and Terry, Good to hear from all three of you on LiFePO4! I'm
convinced that right now, LiFePO4 offers the best hope for extending the life of
the Ranger EV beyond the life of the 8v PbA today or NiMH packs tomorrow. The
weight and range and safety and commercial availability all point toward
success. But, I'm not convinced that they're a 'plug and play' solution today in
the Ranger EV. We may be close, but LiFePO4 seems to take more TLC from a
charging standpoint and there may still be some unknowns lurking out there. That
said, if there's enough interest, there's no reason not to pool the resources of
the group for a buy. I'm still concerned that LiFePO4 group buys in the past
resulted in packs with bad cells and some general unhappiness. Different
supplier and improvements in technology may help. Lanny's really been leading
the charge (pun intendied) on this effort...... does Lanny think we're ready for
a large scale buy?? How price
sensitive are LiFePO4 cells right now?? I know Lanny's bought cells for about
3-5 packs. How much do you think we can save by buying enough for twice or three
times that many?? Anyone have any ideas?? Scott

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Karen orTerry Larson <tandkrlarson@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

From: Karen orTerry Larson <tandkrlarson@ sbcglobal. net>
Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4
To: ranger-ev@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 9:14 PM

I am interested in learning more about these. . . .  A price break would be
nice. . . .  Terry

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Larry <lhorsleyev@yahoo. com>
To: ranger-ev@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 6:13:10 AM
Subject: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4


Is there anyone getting a group buy for the LifePo4 batteries? Thanks Larry H.

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I can check with the Bluesky center here in Sebastopol, Ca about prices for
different quantities. California sales tax is high though.  I have 100
­100amphr highpower cells coming in Monday that I am not intending to put in
my other ranger unless the purchaser of it wants to pay me to install them.
I could offer that to someone local like Karen and Terry Larson.  Or I
suppose I could travel out of my region.  My white truck was one of the
first if not the first to have a LiFePo4 pack in it and before we got clear
on the charging  issues, thus it was compromised.  I am getting 60 miles
range.  I am intending to drop the pack soon and check for significantly
weaker cells to swap out in hopes of increasing the range or at least get it
to stop power limiting when I do a significant amp draw. Scott the farmer.


on 11/13/09 2:35 AM, Scott Couchman at scottcouchman@... wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> Larry, Karen and Terry, Good to hear from all three of you on LiFePO4! I'm
> convinced that right now, LiFePO4 offers the best hope for extending the life
> of the Ranger EV beyond the life of the 8v PbA today or NiMH packs tomorrow.
> The weight and range and safety and commercial availability all point toward
> success. But, I'm not convinced that they're a 'plug and play' solution today
> in the Ranger EV. We may be close, but LiFePO4 seems to take more TLC from a
> charging standpoint and there may still be some unknowns lurking out there.
> That said, if there's enough interest, there's no reason not to pool the
> resources of the group for a buy. I'm still concerned that LiFePO4 group buys
> in the past resulted in packs with bad cells and some general unhappiness.
> Different supplier and improvements in technology may help. Lanny's really
> been leading the charge (pun intendied) on this effort......does Lanny think
> we're ready for a large scale buy?? How price
>  sensitive are LiFePO4 cells right now?? I know Lanny's bought cells for about
> 3-5 packs. How much do you think we can save by buying enough for twice or
> three times that many?? Anyone have any ideas?? Scott
>
> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Karen orTerry Larson <tandkrlarson@...
> <mailto:tandkrlarson%40sbcglobal.net> > wrote:
>
> From: Karen orTerry Larson <tandkrlarson@...
> <mailto:tandkrlarson%40sbcglobal.net> >
> Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4
> To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ranger-ev%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 9:14 PM
>
> I am interested in learning more about these. . . .  A price break would be
> nice. . . .  Terry
>
> ________________________________
> From: Larry <lhorsleyev@... <mailto:lhorsleyev%40yahoo.com> >
> To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ranger-ev%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 6:13:10 AM
> Subject: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4
>
>  
> Is there anyone getting a group buy for the LifePo4 batteries? Thanks Larry H.
>
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Ian, We need a Non-NiMH wiring harness solution. There are way too many PbA
trucks and way too few NiMH wiring harness assemblies. We need to design a
LiFePO4 specific assembly and make that available for conversions. We just can't
get there by consuming the few NiMH parts that are still available. Scott

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, Ian Ward <ian.ward@...> wrote:

From: Ian Ward <ian.ward@...>
Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4 Group Buy
To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 6:56 AM

I'm very interested.

I think it is best to start with a poll to gauge the level of interest. We
can then contact a few suppliers that have proven to have good product to
see how much of a break we can get. We can also cross-post our results with
some other EV/LiFePO4 lists to increase the volume of the participation, if
necessary.

Please respond if you are also interested and can commit to approximately
$12K for a Ranger-size battery. Hopefully we could bring that cost down.

If you are planning on converting a lead acid Ranger, also anticipate buying
parts for the conversion to NiMH hardware. I would offer to work with Lanny
to help put together a kit and potential group buy for this.

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Scott Couchman <scottcouchman@...>wrote:

>
>
> OK, let's talk $$.....what is the right price? How much are people willing
> to write checks for to get a new LiFePO4 pack today? If we're at all close,
> I'm willing to work to make it happen. If you're interested in a Ranger EV
> pack, please share the price at which it works for you. The prices of these
> cells continue to get better and better, we've got opportunities to leverage
> with RAV4 owners and other EV vehicle companies. Let's find a way to make it
> happen. Maybe Lanny can share what he's paying now for packs?? (I don't mean
> to put you on the spot ;-) Scott
>
> --- On Fri, 11/13/09, RONNY DEATON <ya454@... <ya454%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: RONNY DEATON <ya454@... <ya454%40yahoo.com>>
>
> Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4 Group Buy
> To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com <ranger-ev%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 6:38 AM
>
>
> Yes I would be interested in buying a pack if the price is right Ronny
> Deaton
>
> --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Scott Couchman
<scottcouchman@...<scottcouchman%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman@... <scottcouchman%40yahoo.com>>
> Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4 Group Buy
> To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com <ranger-ev%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 4:35 AM
>
>
>
> Larry, Karen and Terry, Good to hear from all three of you on LiFePO4! I'm
> convinced that right now, LiFePO4 offers the best hope for extending the
> life of the Ranger EV beyond the life of the 8v PbA today or NiMH packs
> tomorrow. The weight and range and safety and commercial availability all
> point toward success. But, I'm not convinced that they're a 'plug and play'
> solution today in the Ranger EV. We may be close, but LiFePO4 seems to take
> more TLC from a charging standpoint and there may still be some unknowns
> lurking out there. That said, if there's enough interest, there's no reason
> not to pool the resources of the group for a buy. I'm still concerned that
> LiFePO4 group buys in the past resulted in packs with bad cells and some
> general unhappiness. Different supplier and improvements in technology may
> help. Lanny's really been leading the charge (pun intendied) on this
> effort...... does Lanny think we're ready for a large scale buy?? How price
> sensitive are LiFePO4 cells right now?? I know Lanny's bought cells for
> about 3-5 packs. How much do you think we can save by buying enough for
> twice or three times that many?? Anyone have any ideas?? Scott
>
> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Karen orTerry Larson <tandkrlarson@ sbcglobal. net>
> wrote:
>
> From: Karen orTerry Larson <tandkrlarson@ sbcglobal. net>
> Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4
> To: ranger-ev@yahoogrou ps.com
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 9:14 PM
>
> I am interested in learning more about these. . . .  A price break would be
> nice. . . .  Terry
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Larry <lhorsleyev@yahoo. com>
> To: ranger-ev@yahoogrou ps.com
> Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 6:13:10 AM
> Subject: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4
>
>
> Is there anyone getting a group buy for the LifePo4 batteries? Thanks Larry
> H.
>
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AWESOME!  These are the talks we all need to be having.  Group buys have helped
our group with Ranger EV specific parts....time to focus our group might on
battery packs!

Thank you Scott!

--- In ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com, Ian Ward <ian.ward@...> wrote:
>
> I'm very interested.
>
> I think it is best to start with a poll to gauge the level of interest. We
> can then contact a few suppliers that have proven to have good product to
> see how much of a break we can get. We can also cross-post our results with
> some other EV/LiFePO4 lists to increase the volume of the participation, if
> necessary.
>
> Please respond if you are also interested and can commit to approximately
> $12K for a Ranger-size battery. Hopefully we could bring that cost down.
>
> If you are planning on converting a lead acid Ranger, also anticipate buying
> parts for the conversion to NiMH hardware. I would offer to work with Lanny
> to help put together a kit and potential group buy for this.
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Scott Couchman <scottcouchman@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > OK, let's talk $$.....what is the right price? How much are people willing
> > to write checks for to get a new LiFePO4 pack today? If we're at all close,
> > I'm willing to work to make it happen. If you're interested in a Ranger EV
> > pack, please share the price at which it works for you. The prices of these
> > cells continue to get better and better, we've got opportunities to leverage
> > with RAV4 owners and other EV vehicle companies. Let's find a way to make it
> > happen. Maybe Lanny can share what he's paying now for packs?? (I don't mean
> > to put you on the spot ;-) Scott
> >
> > --- On Fri, 11/13/09, RONNY DEATON <ya454@... <ya454%40yahoo.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: RONNY DEATON <ya454@... <ya454%40yahoo.com>>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4 Group Buy
> > To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com <ranger-ev%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 6:38 AM
> >
> >
> > Yes I would be interested in buying a pack if the price is right Ronny
> > Deaton
> >
> > --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Scott Couchman
<scottcouchman@...<scottcouchman%40yahoo.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman@... <scottcouchman%40yahoo.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4 Group Buy
> > To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com <ranger-ev%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 4:35 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > Larry, Karen and Terry, Good to hear from all three of you on LiFePO4! I'm
> > convinced that right now, LiFePO4 offers the best hope for extending the
> > life of the Ranger EV beyond the life of the 8v PbA today or NiMH packs
> > tomorrow. The weight and range and safety and commercial availability all
> > point toward success. But, I'm not convinced that they're a 'plug and play'
> > solution today in the Ranger EV. We may be close, but LiFePO4 seems to take
> > more TLC from a charging standpoint and there may still be some unknowns
> > lurking out there. That said, if there's enough interest, there's no reason
> > not to pool the resources of the group for a buy. I'm still concerned that
> > LiFePO4 group buys in the past resulted in packs with bad cells and some
> > general unhappiness. Different supplier and improvements in technology may
> > help. Lanny's really been leading the charge (pun intendied) on this
> > effort...... does Lanny think we're ready for a large scale buy?? How price
> > sensitive are LiFePO4 cells right now?? I know Lanny's bought cells for
> > about 3-5 packs. How much do you think we can save by buying enough for
> > twice or three times that many?? Anyone have any ideas?? Scott
> >
> > --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Karen orTerry Larson <tandkrlarson@ sbcglobal. net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Karen orTerry Larson <tandkrlarson@ sbcglobal. net>
> > Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4
> > To: ranger-ev@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 9:14 PM
> >
> > I am interested in learning more about these. . . .  A price break would be
> > nice. . . .  Terry
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: Larry <lhorsleyev@yahoo. com>
> > To: ranger-ev@yahoogrou ps.com
> > Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 6:13:10 AM
> > Subject: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4
> >
> >
> > Is there anyone getting a group buy for the LifePo4 batteries? Thanks Larry
> > H.
> >
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I'm very interested.

I think it is best to start with a poll to gauge the level of interest. We
can then contact a few suppliers that have proven to have good product to
see how much of a break we can get. We can also cross-post our results with
some other EV/LiFePO4 lists to increase the volume of the participation, if
necessary.

Please respond if you are also interested and can commit to approximately
$12K for a Ranger-size battery. Hopefully we could bring that cost down.

If you are planning on converting a lead acid Ranger, also anticipate buying
parts for the conversion to NiMH hardware. I would offer to work with Lanny
to help put together a kit and potential group buy for this.

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Scott Couchman <scottcouchman@...>wrote:

>
>
> OK, let's talk $$.....what is the right price? How much are people willing
> to write checks for to get a new LiFePO4 pack today? If we're at all close,
> I'm willing to work to make it happen. If you're interested in a Ranger EV
> pack, please share the price at which it works for you. The prices of these
> cells continue to get better and better, we've got opportunities to leverage
> with RAV4 owners and other EV vehicle companies. Let's find a way to make it
> happen. Maybe Lanny can share what he's paying now for packs?? (I don't mean
> to put you on the spot ;-) Scott
>
> --- On Fri, 11/13/09, RONNY DEATON <ya454@... <ya454%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: RONNY DEATON <ya454@... <ya454%40yahoo.com>>
>
> Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4 Group Buy
> To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com <ranger-ev%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 6:38 AM
>
>
> Yes I would be interested in buying a pack if the price is right Ronny
> Deaton
>
> --- On Fri, 11/13/09, Scott Couchman
<scottcouchman@...<scottcouchman%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman@... <scottcouchman%40yahoo.com>>
> Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4 Group Buy
> To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com <ranger-ev%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 4:35 AM
>
>
>
> Larry, Karen and Terry, Good to hear from all three of you on LiFePO4! I'm
> convinced that right now, LiFePO4 offers the best hope for extending the
> life of the Ranger EV beyond the life of the 8v PbA today or NiMH packs
> tomorrow. The weight and range and safety and commercial availability all
> point toward success. But, I'm not convinced that they're a 'plug and play'
> solution today in the Ranger EV. We may be close, but LiFePO4 seems to take
> more TLC from a charging standpoint and there may still be some unknowns
> lurking out there. That said, if there's enough interest, there's no reason
> not to pool the resources of the group for a buy. I'm still concerned that
> LiFePO4 group buys in the past resulted in packs with bad cells and some
> general unhappiness. Different supplier and improvements in technology may
> help. Lanny's really been leading the charge (pun intendied) on this
> effort...... does Lanny think we're ready for a large scale buy?? How price
> sensitive are LiFePO4 cells right now?? I know Lanny's bought cells for
> about 3-5 packs. How much do you think we can save by buying enough for
> twice or three times that many?? Anyone have any ideas?? Scott
>
> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, Karen orTerry Larson <tandkrlarson@ sbcglobal. net>
> wrote:
>
> From: Karen orTerry Larson <tandkrlarson@ sbcglobal. net>
> Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4
> To: ranger-ev@yahoogrou ps.com
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 9:14 PM
>
> I am interested in learning more about these. . . .  A price break would be
> nice. . . .  Terry
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Larry <lhorsleyev@yahoo. com>
> To: ranger-ev@yahoogrou ps.com
> Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 6:13:10 AM
> Subject: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4
>
>
> Is there anyone getting a group buy for the LifePo4 batteries? Thanks Larry
> H.
>
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OK, let's talk $$.....what is the right price? How much are people willing to
write checks for to get a new LiFePO4 pack today? If we're at all close, I'm
willing to work to make it happen. If you're interested in a Ranger EV pack,
please share the price at which it works for you. The prices of these cells
continue to get better and better, we've got opportunities to leverage with RAV4
owners and other EV vehicle companies. Let's find a way to make it happen. Maybe
Lanny can share what he's paying now for packs?? (I don't mean to put you on the
spot ;-) Scott

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, RONNY DEATON <ya454@...> wrote:

From: RONNY DEATON <ya454@...>
Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4 Group Buy
To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 6:38 AM

Yes I would be interested in buying a pack if the price is right Ronny Deaton

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, Scott Couchman <scottcouchman@...> wrote:


From: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman@...>
Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4 Group Buy
To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 4:35 AM


 



Larry, Karen and Terry, Good to hear from all three of you on LiFePO4! I'm
convinced that right now, LiFePO4 offers the best hope for extending the life of
the Ranger EV beyond the life of the 8v PbA today or NiMH packs tomorrow. The
weight and range and safety and commercial availability all point toward
success. But, I'm not convinced that they're a 'plug and play' solution today in
the Ranger EV. We may be close, but LiFePO4 seems to take more TLC from a
charging standpoint and there may still be some unknowns lurking out there. That
said, if there's enough interest, there's no reason not to pool the resources of
the group for a buy. I'm still concerned that LiFePO4 group buys in the past
resulted in packs with bad cells and some general unhappiness. Different
supplier and improvements in technology may help. Lanny's really been leading
the charge (pun intendied) on this effort...... does Lanny think we're ready for
a large scale buy?? How price
sensitive are LiFePO4 cells right now?? I know Lanny's bought cells for about
3-5 packs. How much do you think we can save by buying enough for twice or three
times that many?? Anyone have any ideas?? Scott

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Karen orTerry Larson <tandkrlarson@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

From: Karen orTerry Larson <tandkrlarson@ sbcglobal. net>
Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4
To: ranger-ev@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 9:14 PM

I am interested in learning more about these. . . .  A price break would be
nice. . . .  Terry

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Larry <lhorsleyev@yahoo. com>
To: ranger-ev@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 6:13:10 AM
Subject: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4

 
Is there anyone getting a group buy for the LifePo4 batteries? Thanks Larry H.

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Yes I would be interested in buying a pack if the price is right Ronny Deaton

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, Scott Couchman <scottcouchman@...> wrote:


From: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman@...>
Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4 Group Buy
To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 4:35 AM


 



Larry, Karen and Terry, Good to hear from all three of you on LiFePO4! I'm
convinced that right now, LiFePO4 offers the best hope for extending the life of
the Ranger EV beyond the life of the 8v PbA today or NiMH packs tomorrow. The
weight and range and safety and commercial availability all point toward
success. But, I'm not convinced that they're a 'plug and play' solution today in
the Ranger EV. We may be close, but LiFePO4 seems to take more TLC from a
charging standpoint and there may still be some unknowns lurking out there. That
said, if there's enough interest, there's no reason not to pool the resources of
the group for a buy. I'm still concerned that LiFePO4 group buys in the past
resulted in packs with bad cells and some general unhappiness. Different
supplier and improvements in technology may help. Lanny's really been leading
the charge (pun intendied) on this effort...... does Lanny think we're ready for
a large scale buy?? How price
sensitive are LiFePO4 cells right now?? I know Lanny's bought cells for about
3-5 packs. How much do you think we can save by buying enough for twice or three
times that many?? Anyone have any ideas?? Scott

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Karen orTerry Larson <tandkrlarson@ sbcglobal. net> wrote:

From: Karen orTerry Larson <tandkrlarson@ sbcglobal. net>
Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4
To: ranger-ev@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 9:14 PM

I am interested in learning more about these. . . .  A price break would be
nice. . . .  Terry

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Larry <lhorsleyev@yahoo. com>
To: ranger-ev@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 6:13:10 AM
Subject: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4

 
Is there anyone getting a group buy for the LifePo4 batteries? Thanks Larry H.

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Topic: End of Year Wrapup & Battery Management Contin.
Saturday, Nov 21, 2009 (3rd Sat, due to Thanksgiving)
10 am to 12 noon.
Meeting Location: Alameda First Baptist Church, 1515 Santa Clara Ave, Alameda
Visitors welcome, open to the public.

This is the last monthly meeting of 2009. Time to select a change in leadership
to lead our chapter into the new year, which has high hopes of seeing many true
electrics coming to the roads around the world (though limited access in our
fair country of USA). Come join in as we share our favorite project or EV tip
from 2009 and set sights on some hand-on projects for 2010.

Bring your questions - we always have a Q&A session to address most any issue.

EVs on display in the parking lot after the meeting, for discussions about what
electric transportation you can drive today.


www.ebeaa.org

Larry, Karen and Terry, Good to hear from all three of you on LiFePO4! I'm
convinced that right now, LiFePO4 offers the best hope for extending the life of
the Ranger EV beyond the life of the 8v PbA today or NiMH packs tomorrow. The
weight and range and safety and commercial availability all point toward
success. But, I'm not convinced that they're a 'plug and play' solution today in
the Ranger EV. We may be close, but LiFePO4 seems to take more TLC from a
charging standpoint and there may still be some unknowns lurking out there. That
said, if there's enough interest, there's no reason not to pool the resources of
the group for a buy. I'm still concerned that LiFePO4 group buys in the past
resulted in packs with bad cells and some general unhappiness. Different
supplier and improvements in technology may help. Lanny's really been leading
the charge (pun intendied) on this effort......does Lanny think we're ready for
a large scale buy?? How price
  sensitive are LiFePO4 cells right now?? I know Lanny's bought cells for about
3-5 packs. How much do you think we can save by buying enough for twice or three
times that many?? Anyone have any ideas?? Scott

--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Karen orTerry Larson <tandkrlarson@...> wrote:

From: Karen orTerry Larson <tandkrlarson@...>
Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4
To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 9:14 PM

I am interested in learning more about these. . . .  A price break would be
nice. . . .  Terry




________________________________
From: Larry <lhorsleyev@...>
To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 6:13:10 AM
Subject: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4

 
Is there anyone getting a group buy for the LifePo4 batteries? Thanks Larry H.




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I am interested in learning more about these. . . .  A price break would be
nice. . . .  Terry




________________________________
From: Larry <lhorsleyev@...>
To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 6:13:10 AM
Subject: [ranger-ev] Lifepo4

 
Is there anyone getting a group buy for the LifePo4 batteries? Thanks Larry H.




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Is there anyone getting a group buy for the LifePo4 batteries? Thanks Larry H.

Larry,

Where are you located? Perhaps one of us could bring a known good
charger to your truck and see what is up?

Also, look for the messages about NGS testers, you will want to get one
or make contact with someone who does have one that you can borrow (or
buy a part interest in etc.).


San Jose, CA

Terry

Larry wrote:
>
>
> I have a 1999 ranger ev with NIMH battery pack I bought on ebay. When
> I connected the ICS-200 to the ranger I get "your ev does not need a
> charge." I don't know if the ICS-200 is good or I have a problem with
> the truck. I saw on Lanny's website where he did away with the avcon
> and added a twist lock and a plugin relay to tie the mag. wires from
> the avcon togather but I don't know what the voltage is for the blue
> pilot wire. This is my first ranger ev and I am OJT, I have a 1995 s10
> I converted to a 120vdc LA battery pack and I realy enjoy it, I can't
> wait to get the ranger on the road. Thanks for any and all HELP. Larry H.
>
>



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Larry, Welcome to the Ranger EV group......you've made the right choice in
buying a Ranger EV. Can you tell us which Ebay Ranger EV you bought, that may
help us understand the problem you're having. Did you buy this from Connecticut
by chance? I assume the truck wasn't running when you got it. Before you start
cutting and modifying, give us a chance to help you sort it out. Scott

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Larry <lhorsleyev@...> wrote:

From: Larry <lhorsleyev@...>
Subject: [ranger-ev] ICS-200
To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 12:01 PM

I have a 1999 ranger ev with NIMH battery pack I bought on ebay. When I
connected the ICS-200 to the ranger I get "your ev does not need a charge." I
don't know if the ICS-200 is good or I have a problem with the truck. I saw on
Lanny's website where he did away with the avcon and added a twist lock and a
plugin relay to tie the mag. wires from the avcon togather but I don't know what
the voltage is for the blue pilot wire. This is my first ranger ev and I am OJT,
I have a 1995 s10 I converted to a 120vdc LA battery pack and I realy enjoy it,
I can't wait to get the ranger on the road. Thanks for any and all HELP. Larry
H.



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I have a 1999 ranger ev with NIMH battery pack I bought on ebay. When I
connected the ICS-200 to the ranger I get "your ev does not need a charge." I
don't know if the ICS-200 is good or I have a problem with the truck. I saw on
Lanny's website where he did away with the avcon and added a twist lock and a
plugin relay to tie the mag. wires from the avcon togather but I don't know what
the voltage is for the blue pilot wire. This is my first ranger ev and I am OJT,
I have a 1995 s10 I converted to a 120vdc LA battery pack and I realy enjoy it,
I can't wait to get the ranger on the road. Thanks for any and all HELP. Larry
H.

I am good for one.

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Carol Maxwell or Ed Gurdjian <
egmax@...> wrote:

>
>
> Good morning Scott,
> These are available from a friend of mine and I am having him send one to
> me so I can check it out. I believe the software is original 3.2 and the
> cards are original. I am not sure if they have the original graphics. I will
> make sure it works in my NGS tester. I would like to sell them directly to
> those who want them.
>
> Thanks,
> Ed
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Couchman
> To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com <ranger-ev%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] NGS Tester cards
>
> Ed, sorry.....long day. OK, I went back and re-read your emails and I think
> I was confused. I understand now that you are offering NGS tester cards for
> Ranger EVs with software versionn 3.2, and not just blanks. I'm interested
> and I have a list of other Ranger EV owners that are interested in a Ranger
> EV card too. Are these Ford cards or are you cloning them by writing onto
> blank cards? Either way I'm interested. What address and how do you want the
> check made out? Scott
>
> --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Carol Maxwell or Ed Gurdjian
<egmax@...<egmax%40intergate.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Carol Maxwell or Ed Gurdjian <egmax@...<egmax%40intergate.com>
> >
> Subject: [ranger-ev] NGS Tester cards
> To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com <ranger-ev%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 1:57 PM
>
> NGS tester cards
>
> I have a chance to get some EV V3.2 NGS tester cards at $100 ea, plus
> Priority mail @ $4.80. Payable in advance by check or MO-no MC or Paypal. If
> anybody is interested, let me know by email.
>
> Ed
>
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Pierre, Sorry, it looks like the Hyperlink was stripped out of the email I sent
earlier. You can find the Ranger EV Workshop Manual at:
http://www.evchargernews.com/miscfiles/ranger-ev/
It's a 98M pdf file called Workshop Manual. Scott

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, pierre <pcote@...> wrote:

From: pierre <pcote@...>
Subject: [ranger-ev] where to find error list for BCM_OP
To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 2:40 PM

My NGS tester give me code BCM_OP «2» whitout charger connect and «16» if
connect. I hope to find the reason of non charging state. if somebody have or
know where to find it, let me say please.
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Daniel, you can find the workshop manual here. It's a BIG pdf file so it may
take awhile to download depending on the speed of your internet connection. I
wouldn't try it on a dialup connection. Once you've saved the file to your hard
drive, you'll need Adobe Acrobat Reader to open it, but that's available free.
Let me know if you have any problems. Scott

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Daniel Shanahan <danshan1@...> wrote:

From: Daniel Shanahan <danshan1@...>
Subject: RE: [ranger-ev] I Got My New Power Steering Pump Yesterday!
To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 3:59 PM

Good Morning,



Would someone tell me how to access the Ranger EV shop manual.  I'm not real
good with the computer and and and,



Thank you.



Daniel





From: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Couchman
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:17 AM
To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranger-ev] I Got My New Power Steering Pump Yesterday!



 

I got my new power steering pump yesterday.....these things are HEAVY!! I
sure hope my UPS guy didn't drop it too many times getting it to me! Thanks
to Don Blazer for all his work to order and ship these out to everyone that
wanted one. Let's keep working together to maintain and promote these great
trucks! Keep on truck'n! Scott

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Good Morning,



Would someone tell me how to access the Ranger EV shop manual.  I'm not real
good with the computer and and and,



Thank you.



Daniel





From: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Couchman
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:17 AM
To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranger-ev] I Got My New Power Steering Pump Yesterday!





I got my new power steering pump yesterday.....these things are HEAVY!! I
sure hope my UPS guy didn't drop it too many times getting it to me! Thanks
to Don Blazer for all his work to order and ship these out to everyone that
wanted one. Let's keep working together to maintain and promote these great
trucks! Keep on truck'n! Scott

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Pierre, the Ranger EV Shop Manual is available here. It will take some time to
work through it, but the BCM-OP codes are all in there and they're explained.
You should be able to search the file to find the info quickly. Scott

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, pierre <pcote@...> wrote:

From: pierre <pcote@...>
Subject: [ranger-ev] where to find error list for BCM_OP
To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 2:40 PM

My NGS tester give me code BCM_OP «2» whitout charger connect and «16» if
connect. I hope to find the reason of non charging state. if somebody have or
know where to find it, let me say please.
Thanks




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My NGS tester give me code BCM_OP «2» whitout charger connect and «16» if
connect. I hope to find the reason of non charging state. if somebody have or
know where to find it, let me say please.
Thanks

Woops, the box labeled hydraulic pump that arrived yesterday turned out to be a
replacement pump for the 2-post automobile lift I didn't order, and not the
Ranger EV hydraulic pump that I did order. Imagine my surprise today when I
opened the box and found a huge plastic hydraulic fluid reservoir attached to my
new pump! My joy at getting the pump I wanted was short lived.......but I'm
learning patience.




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I got my new power steering pump yesterday.....these things are HEAVY!! I sure
hope my UPS guy didn't drop it too many times getting it to me! Thanks to Don
Blazer for all his work to order and ship these out to everyone that wanted one.
Let's keep working together to maintain and promote these great trucks! Keep on
truck'n! Scott




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Good morning Scott,
These are available from a friend of mine and I am having him send one to me so
I can check it out. I believe the software is original 3.2 and the cards are
original. I am not sure if they have the original graphics. I will make sure it
works in my NGS tester. I would like to sell them directly to those who want
them.

Thanks,
Ed


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Scott Couchman
   To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:56 AM
   Subject: Re: [ranger-ev] NGS Tester cards



   Ed, sorry.....long day. OK, I went back and re-read your emails and I think I
was confused. I understand now that you are offering NGS tester cards for Ranger
EVs with software versionn 3.2, and not just blanks. I'm interested and I have a
list of other Ranger EV owners that are interested in a Ranger EV card too. Are
these Ford cards or are you cloning them by writing onto blank cards? Either way
I'm interested. What address and how do you want the check made out? Scott

   --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Carol Maxwell or Ed Gurdjian <egmax@...> wrote:

   From: Carol Maxwell or Ed Gurdjian <egmax@...>
   Subject: [ranger-ev] NGS Tester cards
   To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com
   Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 1:57 PM

   NGS tester cards

   I have a chance to get some EV V3.2 NGS tester cards at $100 ea, plus Priority
mail @ $4.80. Payable in advance by check or MO-no MC or Paypal. If anybody is
interested, let me know by email.

   Ed

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Ed, sorry.....long day. OK, I went back and re-read your emails and I think I
was confused. I understand now that you are offering NGS tester cards for Ranger
EVs with software versionn 3.2, and not just blanks. I'm interested and I have a
list of other Ranger EV owners that are interested in a Ranger EV card too. Are
these Ford cards or are you cloning them by writing onto blank cards? Either way
I'm interested. What address and how do you want the check made out? Scott

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Carol Maxwell or Ed Gurdjian <egmax@...> wrote:

From: Carol Maxwell or Ed Gurdjian <egmax@...>
Subject: [ranger-ev] NGS Tester cards
To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 1:57 PM

NGS tester cards



I have a chance to get some EV V3.2 NGS tester cards at $100 ea, plus Priority
mail @ $4.80. Payable in advance by check or MO-no MC or Paypal. If anybody is
interested, let me know by email.



Ed


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Have you contacted Dexter,( evmister ), for the NGS card? He's the guy that
makes them. I think most people on the group use his cards.



--- In ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com, rceldib@... wrote:
>
> I am interested. Are these copied cards or Ford cards?
> Thanks,
> Ramsey
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Carol Maxwell or Ed Gurdjian" <egmax@...>
> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 16:57:40
> To: <ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [ranger-ev] NGS Tester cards
>
> NGS tester cards
>
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mail @ $4.80. Payable in advance by check or MO-no MC or Paypal. If anybody is
interested, let me know by email.
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I am interested. Are these copied cards or Ford cards?
Thanks,
Ramsey
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Carol Maxwell or Ed Gurdjian" <egmax@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 16:57:40
To: <ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ranger-ev] NGS Tester cards

NGS tester cards



I have a chance to get some EV V3.2 NGS tester cards at $100 ea, plus Priority
mail @ $4.80. Payable in advance by check or MO-no MC or Paypal. If anybody is
interested, let me know by email.



Ed


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NGS tester cards



I have a chance to get some EV V3.2 NGS tester cards at $100 ea, plus Priority
mail @ $4.80. Payable in advance by check or MO-no MC or Paypal. If anybody is
interested, let me know by email.



Ed


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Pierre,
You would be extreemly lucky to get another year out of the lead batteries
even if you could find another battery (module).  These batteries are at
least six or seven years old,more likely much older, amazing for lead that
they are still working at all. Bottom line is it would be nearly impossible
to nurse them any further without stressing them: too long on duration,
hills and cold will no doubt make them work too hard and they will fail. So
umless you reall like to live on the edge and remove the battery pack
frequently you'd be best to try to work on another solution. For what it is
worth, I was able to replace a module with 8-4v batterys 2 in series 4 times
in parallel to try to emmulate the existing modules, It worked but I do not
think it is a good long term solution. Good luck.
Bouty

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From: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of pierre
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:19 AM
To: ranger-ev@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranger-ev] need 2 used and fonctionnal Lead acid batteries




I have 1 cell weak, sommebody have 2 cell to sell?
i,am hoping to run whit it 1 more year before repacing it to lithium.
Thank






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I have 1 cell weak, sommebody have  2 cell to sell?
i,am hoping to run whit it 1 more year before repacing it to lithium.
Thank