I wish we could get pure gas again..or find a way to increase gas milage with acetone with the e-10 mixture..
--- On Tue, 9/29/09, Steve Gage <behindbarsbimbo@...> wrote:
From: Steve Gage <behindbarsbimbo@...> Subject: Re: [pes_acetone] Re: 2009 Dodge Journey SE ( 2.4L 173bhp ) To: pes_acetone@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 2:55 PM
I have not researched on E-10 difference in mpg, but did on E-85. The latter gives 20% less mpg than pure gas.
I would guess 10% ethanol would reduce mpg a slighter amount. Perhaps
85/10(20%)=2. 35% reduction in mpg. Both are crap fuel IMO.
s.g.
--- On Tue, 9/29/09, Donny Lee <donnylee2007@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Donny Lee <donnylee2007@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [pes_acetone] Re: 2009 Dodge Journey SE ( 2.4L 173bhp ) To: pes_acetone@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 3:38 PM
Then why do vehicles that use E85 ( 85% ethanol and 15% gas ) get worse gas mileage than vehicles that use E-10 ( 10% Ethanol and 90% gas )
--- On Tue, 9/29/09, Gentleman Jim <br_xl@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Gentleman Jim <br_xl@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [pes_acetone] Re: 2009 Dodge Journey SE ( 2.4L 173bhp ) To: pes_acetone@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 2:26 PM
I am not doubting it can have negative affects, but I am doubting your reason why its being used. Here is one of many things I found that say nothing about lining the pockets of big oil and farmers. Besides, if they weren't farming corn, they could be farming soy beans just as easily. "Since ethanol is used to oxygenate the gasoline mixture, which in turn allows the fuel to burn more completely and therefore produce cleaner emissions, its use in fuel has obvious benefits for air quality." (You can argue weather this affect has been achieved though.)
From: Donny Lee <donnylee2007@ yahoo.com>
Do a search on google regarding ethanol in gas..
The ethanol ruined a knock senor in my 2001 Nissan Xterra which was not designed for ethanol gas..cost me $500.00.
I have nothing against farmers, just hate having to pay more for corn....and to feed my family..
From: Gentleman Jim <br_xl@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [pes_acetone] Re: 2009 Dodge Journey SE ( 2.4L 173bhp ) To: pes_acetone@ yahoogroups. com Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 12:42 PM
You got something to back up that statement? Sounds like crap to me.
From: Donny Lee <donnylee2007@ yahoo.com>
E-10 gas ( ethanol blend ) makes the average vehicle loose 3.24 miles per gallon and makes the oil companies and farmers richer and consumers poorer..
--- In pes_acetone@yahoogroups.com, Donny Lee <donnylee2007@...> wrote:
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> I need to know where I can buy pure gas..gas with no ethanol in it..
http://buyrealgas.com/
> Since I have ethanol in my gas can I use acetone at all in my tank or what
would be the amount..
Ethanol has less heat energy so the proper loss going from E0 to E10 is about 3%
which is too small to notice without a lab or a long mileage record. 3% would be
tolerable but I've noticed 10% and other's claim as much as 30% loss where
ethanol becomes worthless and harmful.
I find that the standard 3 ounces acetone per 10 gallons restores most of the
mileage lost from E10.
What about ethano in Diesel. How it effects the performance of fuel addatives.
Mine says it contains ferrocene.
Babar
--- In pes_acetone@yahoogroups.com, Steve Gage <behindbarsbimbo@...> wrote:
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> Well sir, then YOU are one of the LUCKY ones, as am I. Most states have none
at all. The acetone will also keep your engine very clean and increase engine
life dramatically. My car had 126K on it when I bought it. Burnt about a quart
of oil every thousand miles or less. After only a couple of tanks with actetone
it burns NONE AT ALL. Runs like a brand new engine. Good luck.
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> --- On Tue, 9/29/09, Donny Lee <donnylee2007@...> wrote:
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> From: Donny Lee <donnylee2007@...>
> Subject: Re: [pes_acetone] Re: 2009 Dodge Journey SE ( 2.4L 173bhp )
> To: pes_acetone@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 10:28 AM
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> I live in the Spring, Texas area, where can I find pure gas that is not
E-10...as E-10 is the reason that I do not get good gas mileage on my vehicle as
studies have shown the E-10 gas ( ethanol blend ) makes the average vehicle
loose 3.24 miles per gallon and makes the oil companies and farmers richer and
consumers poorer..
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> --- On Tue, 9/29/09, Steve Gage <behindbarsbimbo@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: Steve Gage <behindbarsbimbo@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pes_acetone] Re: 2009 Dodge Journey SE ( 2.4L 173bhp )
> To: pes_acetone@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 9:20 AM
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ethanol in it or mpg will get worse not better. Most noticeable increase in mpg
will be on highway.
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> --- On Tue, 9/29/09, Donny Lee <donnylee2007@ yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: Donny Lee <donnylee2007@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pes_acetone] Re: 2009 Dodge Journey SE ( 2.4L 173bhp )
> To: pes_acetone@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 10:11 AM
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> Can adding 4 oz of acetone by itself to a 20 gallon gas tank, give any
increase in gas mileage and maybe a 5 to 10 increase in horspeower..
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> --- On Tue, 9/29/09, Gentleman Jim <br_xl@yahoo. com> wrote:
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> From: Gentleman Jim <br_xl@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [pes_acetone] Re: 2009 Dodge Journey SE ( 2.4L 173bhp )
> To: pes_acetone@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 7:17 AM
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You COULD use acetone alone with the Gold...but the extra cost might defeat any
gains from using the acetone.
If your truck's manual says to use regular...you could use the Bronze...then
you'd use acetone along with xylol. The amounts to use are posted elsewhere on
this forum.
You could also try the 2.5 oz isopropyl / 10 gallons.
--- In pes_acetone@yahoogroups.com, MICHAEL BROOKS <z.michaelbrooks@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Is it OK to use fuel that has ethanol in it? I use Shell gas and they state
right on the pump: Bronze: May contain 10% Ethanol
> Silver: May contain 5 % Ethanol
> Gold: Contains NO Ethanol
>
> Bronze is regular, Silver is mid-grade, and Gold is the premium grade.
> There is a .12 / liter or 45.5 /gal spread between the regular and the premium
grade. I have no loyalty to any particular gas brands but Shell spells it out as
to what's in its gas grades. Other stations around here don't. The pump simply
states ''Fuel May Contain Ethanol''
> I'm using acetone 2oz./10gal formulation. Any Tips, Tricks or Suggestions
would be much appreciated!
> Thanks a bunch in advance.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
> Toronto
> 2001 Ford F150 Lariat, 5.4L, auto trans, w/125,000 mi.
>
You can find 91% isopropyl alcohol at Walmart for around $2.50 / quart...I use
2.5 oz / 10 gallons.
Iso-HEET is 100% iso (I think) and can be found at auto parts stores.
http://www.goldeagle.com/brands/heet/default.aspx
I'd use around 2.5 oz / 10 gallons to start.
--- In pes_acetone@yahoogroups.com, Donny Lee <donnylee2007@...> wrote:
>
> Where can I get the high quality isopropyl additive that you are talking about
as I would like to increase my city mileage, as I currently average 22 miles per
gallon using Shell 87 octane gas..
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> --- On Tue, 9/29/09, Steve Gage <behindbarsbimbo@...> wrote:
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> From: Steve Gage <behindbarsbimbo@...>
> Subject: Re: [pes_acetone] Re: 2009 Dodge Journey SE ( 2.4L 173bhp )
> To: pes_acetone@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 2:29 PM
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My vehicle uses 87 Octane, which also contains 10% ethanol, so would acetone be more of a benefit as far as gas milage goes or would 2.5oz. isopropyl..
Where can you get isopropyl as I live in Texas and will either one of these products affect my warranty as I have about 10,000 miles on this vehicle..
--- On Wed, 9/30/09, nozgzi <nozgzi@...> wrote:
From: nozgzi <nozgzi@...> Subject: [pes_acetone] Re: Ethanol In Gas To: pes_acetone@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 6:13 AM
You COULD use acetone alone with the Gold...but the extra cost might defeat any gains from using the acetone.
If your truck's manual says to use regular...you could use the Bronze...then you'd use acetone along with xylol. The amounts to use are posted elsewhere on this forum.
You could also try the 2.5 oz isopropyl / 10 gallons.
--- In pes_acetone@ yahoogroups. com, MICHAEL BROOKS <z.michaelbrooks@ ...> wrote: > > Hi, > > Is it OK to use fuel that has ethanol in it? I use Shell gas and they state right on the pump: Bronze: May contain 10% Ethanol > Silver: May
contain 5 % Ethanol > Gold: Contains NO Ethanol > > Bronze is regular, Silver is mid-grade, and Gold is the premium grade. > There is a .12 / liter or 45.5 /gal spread between the regular and the premium grade. I have no loyalty to any particular gas brands but Shell spells it out as to what's in its gas grades.. Other stations around here don't. The pump simply states ''Fuel May Contain Ethanol'' > I'm using acetone 2oz./10gal formulation. Any Tips, Tricks or Suggestions would be much appreciated! > Thanks a bunch in advance. > > Regards, > Mike > Toronto > 2001 Ford F150 Lariat, 5.4L, auto trans, w/125,000 mi. >
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I use the 16 oz size...so I can carry enough for 2 or more refills.
I store this vertically in an old laundry soap container with part of the top
cut off...to keep it upright...as the top will leak some if it falls over. I
keep this down on the floor to keep it cool...this is also good for extra oil
and brake fluid.
You might be able to find this 16 oz bottle at Walmart with acetone in it...but
the acetone won't be any good as an additive. This bottle has a red top.
I calibrate the ounces on the side of the bottle. Best to use white vinyl
tape...and use a good black ballpoint to mark each oz up to maybe 14. A
permanent marker works...but the additives will remove this if you aren't
careful.
I fill the tank...then calculate how much additive to use from the fill
amount...then squirt the additive SLOWLY into the opening...so that it goes down
the filler tube and NOT into the vapor return opening.
Which gets better results as far as increase in mileage when it comes to 87 Octane gas with 10% ethanol....Acetone or isopropyl alcohol in regards to a 2009 2.4L 173bhp VVT motor.
Will either of these affect a vehicles warranty..
--- On Wed, 9/30/09, nozgzi <nozgzi@...> wrote:
From: nozgzi <nozgzi@...> Subject: [pes_acetone] Re: 2009 Dodge Journey SE ( 2.4L 173bhp ) To: pes_acetone@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 6:25 AM
You can find 91% isopropyl alcohol at Walmart for around $2.50 / quart...I use 2.5 oz / 10 gallons.
Iso-HEET is 100% iso (I think) and can be found at auto parts stores.
--- In pes_acetone@ yahoogroups. com, Donny Lee <donnylee2007@ ...> wrote: > > Where can I get the high quality isopropyl additive that you are talking about as I would like to increase my city mileage, as I currently average 22 miles per gallon using Shell 87 octane gas.. > > --- On Tue, 9/29/09, Steve Gage <behindbarsbimbo@ ...> wrote: > > > From:
Steve Gage <behindbarsbimbo@ ...> > Subject: Re: [pes_acetone] Re: 2009 Dodge Journey SE ( 2.4L 173bhp ) > To: pes_acetone@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 2:29 PM > > > > > > > >
I used Lucas fuel additive ( tune up in a bottle ) in my vehicle, which had around 9,000 miles on it and got lower gas mileage and horsepower, so will acetone or isopropyl give me any better results..
--- On Wed, 9/30/09, nozgzi <nozgzi@...> wrote:
From: nozgzi <nozgzi@...> Subject: [pes_acetone] What I use for fuel additives... To: pes_acetone@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 6:38 AM
I use the 16 oz size...so I can carry enough for 2 or more refills.
I store this vertically in an old laundry soap container with part of the top cut off...to keep it upright...as the top will leak some if it falls over. I keep this down on the floor to keep it cool...this is also good for extra oil and brake fluid.
You might be able to find this 16 oz bottle at Walmart with acetone in it...but the acetone won't be any good as an additive. This bottle has a red top.
I calibrate the ounces on the side of the bottle. Best to use white vinyl tape...and use a good black ballpoint to mark each oz up to maybe 14. A permanent marker works...but the
additives will remove this if you aren't careful.
I fill the tank...then calculate how much additive to use from the fill amount...then squirt the additive SLOWLY into the opening...so that it goes down the filler tube and NOT into the vapor return opening.
Richening fuel/air mixture will increase the potential mpg of the use of acetone in PURE gas, and perhaps with a little xylene added , in E-10 with the acetone. So far, here, we have too little data on this technique.
One way to over-ride the computer is with an adjustable injector pressure regulator. This may be cheaper than computer adjusting equip. , such as at www.jetchip.com . Perhaps easier too.
Here is one site that seems to specialize in Holly regulators:
Google can probably search out any brand for any car. MOST sytstems are NOT adjustable from the factory. Some sports cars may be, however. My mechanic friend who collects Vettes says they are adjustable.
Will this item void my factory warranty as UI drive a 2009 Dodge Journey SE with 10,000 miles on it...
I did put in Lucas fuel treatment in my vehicle and my gas mileage went down two miles per gallon and seems like I lost some horsepower too..
--- On Thu, 10/1/09, SteveG <behindbarsbimbo@...> wrote:
From: SteveG <behindbarsbimbo@...> Subject: [pes_acetone] Adjustable injector pressure regulators To: pes_acetone@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 12:46 PM
Richening fuel/air mixture will increase the potential mpg of the use of acetone in PURE gas, and perhaps with a little xylene added , in E-10 with the acetone. So far, here, we have too little data on this technique.
One way to over-ride the computer is with an adjustable injector pressure regulator. This may be cheaper than computer adjusting equip. , such as at www.jetchip. com . Perhaps easier too.
Here is one site that seems to specialize in Holly regulators:
Google can probably search out any brand for any car. MOST sytstems are NOT adjustable from the factory. Some sports cars may be, however. My mechanic friend who collects Vettes says they are adjustable..
Unknown. These are capable of very high psi to injectors. I would ask a local Dodge dealership. I do know that acetone will not void warranty UNLESS they can PROVE it caused the damage. Same for any additive.
s.g.
--- On Thu, 10/1/09, Donny Lee <donnylee2007@...> wrote:
From: Donny Lee <donnylee2007@...> Subject: Re: [pes_acetone] Adjustable injector pressure regulators To: pes_acetone@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 1:54 PM
Will this item void my factory warranty as UI drive a 2009 Dodge Journey SE with 10,000 miles on it...
I did put in Lucas fuel treatment in my vehicle and my gas mileage went down two miles per gallon and seems like I lost some horsepower too..
--- On Thu, 10/1/09, SteveG <behindbarsbimbo@ yahoo.com> wrote:
From: SteveG <behindbarsbimbo@ yahoo.com> Subject: [pes_acetone] Adjustable injector pressure regulators To: pes_acetone@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 12:46 PM
Richening fuel/air mixture will increase the potential mpg of the use of acetone in PURE gas, and perhaps with a little xylene added , in E-10 with the acetone. So far, here, we have too little data on this technique.
One way to over-ride the computer is with an adjustable injector pressure regulator. This may be cheaper than computer adjusting equip. , such as at www.jetchip. com . Perhaps easier too.
Here is one site that seems to specialize in Holly regulators:
Google can probably search out any brand for any car. MOST sytstems are NOT adjustable from the factory. Some sports cars may be, however. My mechanic friend who collects Vettes says they are adjustable..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_hydroxide
"Sodium hydroxide also decomposes complex molecules"
What it might do is to reduce the complexity of the molecules that make up
"gasoline"...maybe the larger ones at least....working something like acetone
does.
"For the manufacture of biodiesel, sodium hydroxide is used as a catalyst for
the transesterification of methanol and triglycerides. This only works with
anhydrous sodium hydroxide, because combined with water the fat would turn into
soap, which would be tainted with methanol."
"NaOH can be used for the base-driven hydrolysis of esters (as in
saponification), amides and alkyl halides. However, the limited solubility of
NaOH in organic solvents means that the more soluble KOH is often preferred."
Don't know....but since your newer vehicle likely has an mpg meter...about all
you can do it try something...reset the meter and find out over a full tank.
I'd try the combination of acetone and xylol...at your own risk of course.
There are commercial additives that are supposed to help increase your mileage
if you don't want to mix your own.
I think most people could gain 20% or so by using synthetic oils with say
Tufoil...plus whatever fuel additive they find works.
--- In pes_acetone@yahoogroups.com, Donny Lee <donnylee2007@...> wrote:
>
> I used Lucas fuel additive ( tune up in a bottle ) in my vehicle, which had
around 9,000 miles on it and got lower gas mileage and horsepower, so will
acetone or isopropyl give me any better results..
>
> --- On Wed, 9/30/09, nozgzi <nozgzi@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: nozgzi <nozgzi@...>
> Subject: [pes_acetone] What I use for fuel additives...
> To: pes_acetone@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 6:38 AM
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> http://www.usplasti c.com/catalog/ product.asp? catalog_name= USPlastic&
category_ name=14952& product_id= 15129
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> I use the 16 oz size...so I can carry enough for 2 or more refills.
>
> I store this vertically in an old laundry soap container with part of the top
cut off...to keep it upright...as the top will leak some if it falls over. I
keep this down on the floor to keep it cool...this is also good for extra oil
and brake fluid.
>
> You might be able to find this 16 oz bottle at Walmart with acetone in
it...but the acetone won't be any good as an additive. This bottle has a red
top.
>
> I calibrate the ounces on the side of the bottle. Best to use white vinyl
tape...and use a good black ballpoint to mark each oz up to maybe 14. A
permanent marker works...but the additives will remove this if you aren't
careful.
>
> I fill the tank...then calculate how much additive to use from the fill
amount...then squirt the additive SLOWLY into the opening...so that it goes down
the filler tube and NOT into the vapor return opening.
>
My vehicle does not have a mpg meter, I divide the gallons into the mileage I get per tank..
I get anywhere between 21 and 23 miles to the gallon in the city ( depending on how bad traffic is )
Trying to find a way to increase my city mileage as I did take a trip over to Louisiqana in April and got 28 miles per gallon, going at 70 m.p.h. and that is not bad for a 4000 lb. 2009 crossover with a 2.4L 173bhp motor...
--- On Thu, 10/1/09, nozgzi <nozgzi@...> wrote:
From: nozgzi <nozgzi@...> Subject: [pes_acetone] Re: What I use for fuel additives... To: pes_acetone@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 6:12 PM
Don't know....but since your newer vehicle likely has an mpg meter....about all you can do it try something... reset the meter and find out over a full tank.
I'd try the combination of acetone and xylol...at your own risk of course.
There are commercial additives that are supposed to help increase your mileage if you don't want to mix your own.
I think most people could gain 20% or so by using synthetic oils with say Tufoil...plus whatever fuel additive they find works.
--- In pes_acetone@ yahoogroups. com, Donny Lee <donnylee2007@ ....> wrote: > > I used Lucas fuel additive ( tune up in a bottle ) in my vehicle, which had around 9,000 miles on it and got lower gas mileage and horsepower, so will acetone or isopropyl give me any
better results.. > > --- On Wed, 9/30/09, nozgzi <nozgzi@....> wrote: > > > From: nozgzi <nozgzi@...> > Subject: [pes_acetone] What I use for fuel additives... > To: pes_acetone@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 6:38 AM > > > > > > > > http://www.usplasti c.com/catalog/ product.asp? catalog_name= USPlastic& category_ name=14952& product_id= 15129 > > I use the 16 oz size...so I can carry enough for 2 or more refills. > > I store this vertically in an old laundry soap container with part of the top cut off...to keep it upright...as the top will leak some
if it falls over. I keep this down on the floor to keep it cool...this is also good for extra oil and brake fluid. > > You might be able to find this 16 oz bottle at Walmart with acetone in it...but the acetone won't be any good as an additive. This bottle has a red top. > > I calibrate the ounces on the side of the bottle. Best to use white vinyl tape...and use a good black ballpoint to mark each oz up to maybe 14. A permanent marker works...but the additives will remove this if you aren't careful. > > I fill the tank...then calculate how much additive to use from the fill amount...then squirt the additive SLOWLY into the opening...so that it goes down the filler tube and NOT into the vapor return opening. >
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fourthwayinteractive@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 9:45:06 PM Subject: [pes_acetone] On Global Warming - Part 3
Part 4 will be on HOW to reduce emissions on 'current' vehicles. Specifically, acetone additive and richening tehnology.
Part 4 will deal with this. E-10 reduces emissions LESS THAN ACETONE by far. I will suggest it be done away with. I will be talking to my state senate, here in Idaho, on this, and the Governors science advisors. I hope to start a grass roots move away from E-10 here in my state. We DO still have SOME pure gas here. I will suggest we begin to get away from burning carbon based fuels, or else use NOX traps MANDATORY on vehicles as well. FOR existing vehicles, use of acetone instead of ethanol can cut CO and NOX by at least 1/2 IMMEDIATELY if pure gas is available. I will make suggestions for ADJUSTMENTS for city vs hwy. driving . So on hwy., emissions go up but mpg may quadruple. In city mpg will stay about the same, but with 1/2 the CO AND NOX. Even without the
NOX traps.
Researching for part 4 now.
s.g.
--- On Sun, 10/18/09, Gentleman Jim @yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Gentleman Jim @yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [pes_acetone] On Global Warming - Part 3 To: pes_acetone@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 18, 2009, 8:00 PM
And how to deal with E10 etc?
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From: Steve Gage <behindbarsbimbo@ yahoo.com> To: spaceshipkarnak@ yahoogroups. com; harmoniousdevelopme nts@yahoogroups. com; pes_acetone@ yahoogroups. com; fourthwayinteractiv e@yahoogroups. com Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 9:45:06 PM Subject: [pes_acetone] On Global Warming - Part 3
Part 4 will be on HOW to reduce emissions on 'current' vehicles. Specifically, acetone additive and richening tehnology.
This has been in the files here, in emission test folder for some time. Was sent to me by a member. PROOF that acetone reduces HC, CO AND NOX dramatically.
Also suggests that Ozone depletion is culprit of recent Global warming, NOT C02.
Nitrous Oxide is 'current' most released Ozone depleter, but according to this article,
the CFCs we released in the past have a lifetime in the stratosphere of 50 to 100 years, so even though we have 'reduced' use of these, they are still up there , doing damage and letting UV light through, creating heating. NOX traps can be used on current vehicles and factories, but it seems, what is ALREADY up there, may be doing damage year after year.
It's been the coolest year here in many years. Now its global cooling. Those holes up there are letting the heat out!
"I don't like repeat offenders, I like DEAD offenders!" Ted Nugent
From: Steve Gage <behindbarsbimbo@...> To: harmoniousdevelopments@yahoogroups.com;
hydrogenplanet@yahoogroups.com; spaceshipkarnak@yahoogroups.com; pes_acetone@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 4:56:28 PM Subject: [pes_acetone] CFCs mostly to blame for Global Warming?
Also suggests that Ozone depletion is culprit of recent Global warming, NOT C02.
Nitrous Oxide is 'current' most released Ozone depleter, but according to this article,
the CFCs we released in the past have a lifetime in the stratosphere of 50 to 100 years, so even though we have 'reduced' use of these, they are still up there , doing damage and letting UV light through, creating heating. NOX traps can be used on current vehicles and factories, but it seems, what is ALREADY up there, may be doing damage year after year.
Maybe so, Jim! I like yer Nugent quote. Use your right to keep and bare arms, or lose it. Pack that heat! Our freedom to get our moneys worth at the pump is in jeapordy too, as we are stuck with E-10 crap gas, that we can't get any mpg out of. A fellow from Canada called me. Says there is no shortage of pure gas up there. Seems to be a mostly US phenomena that E-10 is so widespread and THOUGHT to be beneficial, which it AIN'T.
s.g.
--- On Mon, 10/19/09, Gentleman Jim <br_xl@...> wrote:
From: Gentleman Jim <br_xl@...> Subject: Re: [pes_acetone] CFCs mostly to blame for Global Warming? To: pes_acetone@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 5:43 PM
It's been the coolest year here in many years. Now its global cooling. Those holes up there are letting the heat out!
"I don't like repeat offenders, I like DEAD offenders!" Ted Nugent
From: Steve Gage <behindbarsbimbo@ yahoo.com> To: harmoniousdevelopme nts@yahoogroups. com; hydrogenplanet@ yahoogroups. com; spaceshipkarnak@ yahoogroups. com; pes_acetone@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 4:56:28 PM Subject: [pes_acetone] CFCs mostly to blame for Global Warming?
Also suggests that Ozone depletion is culprit of recent Global warming, NOT C02.
Nitrous Oxide is 'current' most released Ozone depleter, but according to this article,
the CFCs we released in the past have a lifetime in the stratosphere of 50 to 100 years, so even though we have 'reduced' use of these, they are still up there , doing damage and letting UV light through, creating heating. NOX traps can be used on current vehicles and factories, but it seems, what is ALREADY up there, may be doing damage year after year.
Thanks for the post...
--- In pes_acetone@yahoogroups.com, Steve Gage <behindbarsbimbo@...> wrote:
>
> http://omsriram.com/GlobalWarming.htm
>
> Also suggests that Ozone depletion is culprit of recent Global warming, NOT
C02.
>
> Nitrous Oxide is 'current' most released Ozone depleter, but according to this
article,
> the CFCs we released in the past have a lifetime in the stratosphere of 50 to
100 years, so even though we have 'reduced' use of these, they are still up
there , doing damage and letting UV light through, creating heating. NOX traps
can be used on current vehicles and factories, but it seems, what is ALREADY up
there, may be doing damage year after year.
>
> Get out your SPF sunscreen folks!
>
> s.g.
>
Please forawrd all emails on the subject of Acetone and ways we can become more energy efficient to the following people, listed below, at the U.S. Dept. of Energy, so that we can get politicians invovled and to stop us, the consumers to stop getting ripped off by the gas companies and greedy commodties brokers, who are stealing from our kids education and future..which is called a felony...
As we need to tell them that ethanol is a waste of our money and lowers the gas mileage of every vehicle on the road, does not have much effect on the enviroment, along with making oil companies fatter and consumners poorer.. --- On Tue, 10/20/09, Afdhal Atiff Tan Bin Amin Husaini Tan <afdhalatifftan@...> wrote:
From: Afdhal Atiff Tan Bin Amin Husaini Tan <afdhalatifftan@...> Subject: [pes_acetone] Re: CFCs mostly to blame for Global Warming? To: pes_acetone@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2009, 2:10 AM
Thanks for the post...
--- In pes_acetone@ yahoogroups. com, Steve Gage <behindbarsbimbo@ ...> wrote: > > http://omsriram. com/GlobalWarmin g.htm > > Also suggests that Ozone depletion is culprit of recent Global warming, NOT C02. > > Nitrous Oxide is 'current' most released Ozone depleter, but according to this article, > the CFCs we released in the past have a lifetime in the stratosphere of 50 to 100 years, so even though we have 'reduced' use of these, they are still up there , doing damage and letting UV light through, creating heating. NOX traps can be used on current vehicles and factories, but it seems, what is ALREADY up there,
may be doing damage year after year. > > Get out your SPF sunscreen folks! > > s.g. >
Please forawrd all emails on the subject of Acetone and ways we can become more energy efficient to the following people, listed below, at the U.S. Dept. of Energy, so that we can get politicians invovled and to stop us, the consumers to stop getting ripped off by the gas companies and greedy commodties brokers, who are stealing from our kids education and future..which is called a felony...
As we need to tell them that ethanol is a waste of our money and lowers the gas mileage of every vehicle on the road, does not have much effect on the enviroment, along with making oil companies fatter and consumners poorer..
--- On Mon, 10/19/09, Steve Gage <behindbarsbimbo@...> wrote:
From: Steve Gage <behindbarsbimbo@...> Subject: Re: [pes_acetone] CFCs mostly to blame for Global Warming? To: pes_acetone@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 4:55 PM
Maybe so, Jim! I like yer Nugent quote. Use your right to keep and bare arms, or lose it. Pack that heat! Our freedom to get our moneys worth at the pump is in jeapordy too, as we are stuck with E-10 crap gas, that we can't get any mpg out of. A fellow from Canada called me. Says there is no shortage of pure gas up there. Seems to be a mostly US phenomena that E-10 is so widespread and THOUGHT to be beneficial, which it AIN'T.
s.g.
--- On Mon, 10/19/09, Gentleman Jim <br_xl@yahoo. com> wrote:
From: Gentleman Jim <br_xl@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [pes_acetone] CFCs mostly to blame for Global Warming? To: pes_acetone@ yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 5:43 PM
It's been the coolest year here in many years. Now its global cooling. Those holes up there are letting the heat out!
"I don't like repeat offenders, I like DEAD offenders!" Ted Nugent
From: Steve Gage <behindbarsbimbo@ yahoo.com> To: harmoniousdevelopme nts@yahoogroups. com; hydrogenplanet@ yahoogroups. com; spaceshipkarnak@ yahoogroups. com; pes_acetone@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 4:56:28 PM Subject: [pes_acetone] CFCs mostly to blame for Global Warming?
Also suggests that Ozone depletion is culprit of recent Global warming, NOT C02.
Nitrous Oxide is 'current' most released Ozone depleter, but according to this article,
the CFCs we released in the past have a lifetime in the stratosphere of 50 to 100 years, so even though we have 'reduced' use of these, they are still up there , doing damage and letting UV light through, creating heating. NOX traps can be used on current vehicles and factories, but it seems, what is ALREADY up there, may be doing damage year after year.
Please forawrd all emails on the subject of Acetone and ways we can become more energy efficient to the following people, listed below, at the U.S. Dept. of Energy, so that we can get politicians invovled and to stop us, the consumers to stop getting ripped off by the gas companies and greedy commodties brokers, who are stealing from our kids education and future..which is called a felony...
As we need to tell them that ethanol is a waste of our money and lowers the gas mileage of every vehicle on the road, does not have much effect on the enviroment, along with making oil companies fatter and consumners poorer..
--- On Mon, 10/19/09, Gentleman Jim <br_xl@...> wrote:
From: Gentleman Jim <br_xl@...> Subject: Re: [pes_acetone] CFCs mostly to blame for Global Warming? To: pes_acetone@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 4:43 PM
It's been the coolest year here in many years. Now its global cooling. Those holes up there are letting the heat out!
"I don't like repeat offenders, I like DEAD offenders!" Ted Nugent
From: Steve Gage <behindbarsbimbo@ yahoo.com> To: harmoniousdevelopme nts@yahoogroups. com; hydrogenplanet@ yahoogroups. com; spaceshipkarnak@ yahoogroups. com; pes_acetone@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Mon, October 19, 2009 4:56:28 PM Subject: [pes_acetone] CFCs mostly to blame for Global Warming?
Also suggests that Ozone depletion is culprit of recent Global warming, NOT C02.
Nitrous Oxide is 'current' most released Ozone depleter, but according to this article,
the CFCs we released in the past have a lifetime in the stratosphere of 50 to 100 years, so even though we have 'reduced' use of these, they are still up there , doing damage and letting UV light through, creating heating. NOX traps can be used on current vehicles and factories, but it seems, what is ALREADY up there, may be doing damage year after year.
Got thru the first tank...saw only a 1 mpg gain over the previous tank using 2.5
oz iso/GP7....but this tank was also using winter gas and was run in colder
weather.
So no 50% gain to be seen. Car ran OK...no driveability issues.
Current tank will again use the meth/s-hydrox/GP7 mix.
Might try tweaking this mix in some way...time will tell.
--- In pes_acetone@yahoogroups.com, "nozgzi" <nozgzi@...> wrote:
>
>
> The patent also mentions adding the mix to the gas. You need to reread these
patents several times...dense info packed in them.
>
> I tested adding 2.2 ml of the additive (shaken) to 1 pint gasoline (6 oz to 10
gallons) ...and as soon as it was in the gas it mixed well and stays mixed.
This is a small amount of additive relative to the gas and is about 1/2 what is
supposed to be used when adding acetone.
>
> As I put it together...the s hydrox does end up at the bottom of the
bottle...but it remixes real well when shaken.
>
> This might be why the patent mentions using 10-30% gasoline as part of the
additive...plus I didn't have the ethanol in it.
>
> what I used:
>
> 13.5 oz methanol
>
> 3 oz xylol (actually this is around 1/5th acetone)
>
> 0.42 oz s hydrox solution (not the solid)
>
> 1 oz GP7 2 cycle oil
>
> The real issue is whether there will be any mpg gain...I'm sort of doubting
it...but the patent tests a '77 carbed vehicle like mine and claims an 80% gain.
I ran a tank of E-10 with Isopropyl mixed in . Saw WORSE mpg metro.
We need to just get RID OF E-10 and quit using our grain products to make it, which increases price of everything from cereal, to beef , to beer.
s.g.
--- On Thu, 10/22/09, nozgzi <nozgzi@...> wrote:
From: nozgzi <nozgzi@...> Subject: [pes_acetone] Re: Researching fuel additives with Google Patent... To: pes_acetone@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 6:54 PM
Got thru the first tank...saw only a 1 mpg gain over the previous tank using 2.5 oz iso/GP7....but this tank was also using winter gas and was run in colder weather.
So no 50% gain to be seen. Car ran OK...no driveability issues.
Current tank will again use the meth/s-hydrox/ GP7 mix.
Might try tweaking this mix in some way...time will tell.
--- In pes_acetone@ yahoogroups. com, "nozgzi" <nozgzi@...> wrote: > > > The patent also mentions adding the mix to the gas. You need to reread these patents several times...dense info packed in them. > > I tested adding 2.2 ml of the additive (shaken) to 1 pint gasoline (6 oz to 10 gallons) ...and as soon as it was in the gas it mixed well and stays mixed. This is a small amount of
additive relative to the gas and is about 1/2 what is supposed to be used when adding acetone. > > As I put it together...the s hydrox does end up at the bottom of the bottle...but it remixes real well when shaken. > > This might be why the patent mentions using 10-30% gasoline as part of the additive...plus I didn't have the ethanol in it. > > what I used: > > 13.5 oz methanol > > 3 oz xylol (actually this is around 1/5th acetone) > > 0.42 oz s hydrox solution (not the solid) > > 1 oz GP7 2 cycle oil > > The real issue is whether there will be any mpg gain...I'm sort of doubting it...but the patent tests a '77 carbed vehicle like mine and claims an 80% gain.
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