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#279 From: John R Humphrey <macroscopic_labs@...>
Date: Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:16 am
Subject: Biodiesel for Stanford Marguerite Shuttle?
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The stanford Marguerite shuttle bus is considering using biodiesel! I was
forwarded
this message, but since I am still in Sweden (for another week) I wanted to see
if
there was any locals that could help. (i don't have any contact info for
berkeley bdsl
coop... My intuition says that there will not be enough oil from their dining
facilities, but I actually don't know the scales of their dining or bus
schedules, so
can't say for sure. This is very cool though.
go Cardinals!

-John

--------------------------------------------------------------
1. Biodiesel for the Stanford Marguerite buses?

Can any of you folks out there provide some expertise for this biodiesel
proposal? If
so, please contact Heather directly. Thanks, gil

Environmental Health & Safety (EH&S) is considering the feasibility
of utilizing biodiesel in our fleet vehicles. Ideally, we would like to
convert used cooking oil from our campus dining facilities into biodiesel
in an on campus processor.

We are assessing interest from the academic community with respect to our
project. Are you aware of any research already in progress regarding
biodiesel production and/or use? Do you know anyone on campus who might be
interested in participating in our program?

Any information you might have is appreciated.

Thanks in advance!
Heather
Heather N. Perry
Environmental Engineer
Stanford University
Environmental, Health and Safety
650/723-1308
hperry@...

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#280 From: Jeff Deitsch <jdjeepman@...>
Date: Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:32 pm
Subject: Re: Biodiesel for Stanford Marguerite Shuttle?
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I would recommend the Palo Alto Biodiesel co-op for getting Stanford set up with the ability to produce its own BD.  Please contact us. We would be more than happy to get you started.
Jeff Deitsch - 650-280-3776


John R Humphrey <macroscopic_labs@...> wrote:

The stanford Marguerite shuttle bus is considering using biodiesel! I was forwarded
this message, but since I am still in Sweden (for another week) I wanted to see if
there was any locals that could help. (i don't have any contact info for berkeley bdsl
coop... My intuition says that there will not be enough oil from their dining
facilities, but I actually don't know the scales of their dining or bus schedules, so
can't say for sure. This is very cool though.
go Cardinals!

-John

--------------------------------------------------------------
1.  Biodiesel for the Stanford Marguerite buses?

Can any of you folks out there provide some expertise for this biodiesel proposal?  If
so, please contact Heather directly.  Thanks,  gil

Environmental Health & Safety (EH&S) is considering the feasibility
of utilizing biodiesel in our fleet vehicles.  Ideally, we would like to
convert used cooking oil from our campus dining facilities into biodiesel
in an on campus processor.

We are assessing interest from the academic community with respect to our
project.  Are you aware of any research already in progress regarding
biodiesel production and/or use?  Do you know anyone on campus who might be
interested in participating in our program?

Any information you might have is appreciated.

Thanks in advance!
Heather
Heather N. Perry
Environmental Engineer
Stanford University
Environmental, Health and Safety
650/723-1308
hperry@...

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#281 From: "Greg Feneis" <mfeneis@...>
Date: Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:34 pm
Subject: Re: Biodiesel for Stanford Marguerite Shuttle?
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Hi Folks,
 
Here's some frank advice on the Marguerite Shuttle line.  I say conserve first, then rip the new energy source.  Put the fleet on a diet.  They're fairly big buses and I rarely see more than 3-5 people on them.  Lots of times they're empty.  When Stanford gets the fleet sized to the work that needs to be done, what remains may run on Stanford's own grease.  My two cents.  Your mileage may vary (heh).
 
 
PS:  Just because traffic's heavy, doesn't mean the Marguerite drivers can block Stanford Ave & El Camino while they play their crossword puzzle.
 
 
 
 
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 2:16 AM
Subject: [paloaltobiodiesel] Biodiesel for Stanford Marguerite Shuttle?


The stanford Marguerite shuttle bus is considering using biodiesel! I was forwarded
this message, but since I am still in Sweden (for another week) I wanted to see if
there was any locals that could help. (i don't have any contact info for berkeley bdsl
coop... My intuition says that there will not be enough oil from their dining
facilities, but I actually don't know the scales of their dining or bus schedules, so
can't say for sure. This is very cool though.
go Cardinals!

-John

--------------------------------------------------------------
1.  Biodiesel for the Stanford Marguerite buses?

Can any of you folks out there provide some expertise for this biodiesel proposal?  If
so, please contact Heather directly.  Thanks,  gil

Environmental Health & Safety (EH&S) is considering the feasibility
of utilizing biodiesel in our fleet vehicles.  Ideally, we would like to
convert used cooking oil from our campus dining facilities into biodiesel
in an on campus processor.

We are assessing interest from the academic community with respect to our
project.  Are you aware of any research already in progress regarding
biodiesel production and/or use?  Do you know anyone on campus who might be
interested in participating in our program?

Any information you might have is appreciated.

Thanks in advance!
Heather
Heather N. Perry
Environmental Engineer
Stanford University
Environmental, Health and Safety
650/723-1308
hperry@...

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#285 From: "stukreit" <stukreit@...>
Date: Thu Dec 23, 2004 6:50 pm
Subject: Re: Biodiesel for Stanford Marguerite Shuttle?
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Dear Greg:

Sometimes it aint necessarily so. Conservation, efficiency and
planning are sometimes at odds. For example, one might think that
the response to low passenger count or empty buses should be to
reduce the schedule, but that would make the buses less usefull
and discourage the already fragile user base. Also, the capital
expense of sidelining buses would take forever to amortize in
fuel costs.

Wouldn't it be better and usefull to promote and advertise
the shuttle's new improved smell and greenness and thereby
increase ridership?

skk


--- In paloaltobiodiesel@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Feneis" <mfeneis@h...>
wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Here's some frank advice on the Marguerite Shuttle line. I say
conserve first, then rip the new energy source. Put the fleet on a
diet. They're fairly big buses and I rarely see more than 3-5 people
on them. Lots of times they're empty. When Stanford gets the fleet






#282 From: Ellie Gioumousis <elliegms@...>
Date: Wed Dec 15, 2004 6:19 am
Subject: Re: Biodiesel for Stanford Marguerite Shuttle?
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Hi John,

What a great thing for Stanford to do. Making their own biodiesel is great publicity for using old cooking oil for fuel.

We have purchased another Mercedes ( at a higher price) and are planning to put your white one up for sale. We are going to ask the same price we paid you, $2500, but it has had several improvements in the meantime. We replaced the front window controls so they are now firmly in place and work well. We also had Hans do various repairs that were needed.

Most significant the engine has had a major overhaul with new glow plugs and injectors. It had started smoking horribly; great clouds of black smoke, after a bad batch of biodiesel from the place in San Jose. It cost a little over $1000. but now it runs really smoothly and also seems to shift better. I took it to Claus Nagel in Redwood City and was very impressed with his care and professional work. He was highly recommended to me and I would agree he is a good mechanic and runs a good shop.

We have the shop receipts for all the work and I feel the car is quite improved. It is really a nice car and I liked the color also. If you are interested please write me and we can arrange a time after you get back.

Thanks,

Ellie Gioumousis

John R Humphrey wrote:

The stanford Marguerite shuttle bus is considering using biodiesel! I was forwarded
this message, but since I am still in Sweden (for another week) I wanted to see if
there was any locals that could help. (i don't have any contact info for berkeley bdsl
coop... My intuition says that there will not be enough oil from their dining
facilities, but I actually don't know the scales of their dining or bus schedules, so
can't say for sure. This is very cool though.
go Cardinals!

-John

--------------------------------------------------------------
1.  Biodiesel for the Stanford Marguerite buses?

Can any of you folks out there provide some expertise for this biodiesel proposal?  If
so, please contact Heather directly.  Thanks,  gil

Environmental Health & Safety (EH&S) is considering the feasibility
of utilizing biodiesel in our fleet vehicles.  Ideally, we would like to
convert used cooking oil from our campus dining facilities into biodiesel
in an on campus processor.

We are assessing interest from the academic community with respect to our
project.  Are you aware of any research already in progress regarding
biodiesel production and/or use?  Do you know anyone on campus who might be
interested in participating in our program?

Any information you might have is appreciated.

Thanks in advance!
Heather
Heather N. Perry
Environmental Engineer
Stanford University
Environmental, Health and Safety
650/723-1308
hperry@...

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#284 From: Marshall Taylor <marshall@...>
Date: Thu Dec 16, 2004 2:25 am
Subject: Re: Biodiesel for Stanford Marguerite Shuttle?
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Hi John,

You'd do well to contact the CU Boulder folks that have already
implemented this on 13 campus buses. Their webpage is

http://www.cubiodiesel.org

I'd guesstimate that you have more than enough campus cafeteria grease
if you run the busses with low biodiesel blends (B20 or lower).

Best of luck!

-mt


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> The stanford Marguerite shuttle bus is considering using biodiesel! I was
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see if<BR>
> there was any locals that could help. (i don't have any contact info for
berkeley bdsl<BR>
> coop... My intuition says that there will not be enough oil from their
dining<BR>
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schedules, so<BR>
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> go Cardinals!<BR>
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> 1.&nbsp; Biodiesel for the Stanford Marguerite buses?<BR>
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> Can any of you folks out there provide some expertise for this biodiesel
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> so, please contact Heather directly.&nbsp; Thanks,&nbsp; gil<BR>
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#286 From: "Greg Feneis" <mfeneis@...>
Date: Fri Dec 24, 2004 1:05 am
Subject: Re: Re: Biodiesel for Stanford Marguerite Shuttle?
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Hi skk,
 
I don't wanna cause indigestion, but we may have to differ on a few things.  I hope you'll still tell me the best place to get KOH after you read this.
 
I suppose you could characterize variables and resources in a situation as at odds.  Assuming these things resist change, a change in one thing requires a change in another, or perhaps several others.  However, there's not really any competition between these things.  With the exception of when these things are supplied by vendors or slimy co-op operators looking for some kind of gain beyond the satisfaction of providing a service to their community.  Regardless, in these cases, it's just the enterprising people supplying the things who would be at odds, not the things themselves.  In reality, it's more likely that those in charge of the bus line try to find the best compromise of all these things in order to meet the constraints they're given, such as rider convenience, materials and labor budget, etc.  That is, these things are teamed in a way that they can best work together.  When things best work together, it kinda makes me think of efficiency.  In the case of the Marguerite line, they could consider their options for reducing their fuel consumption with operating the buses on the currently available supply of grease from Stanford's kitchens, if it can't already(The intended message of my original post).   
 
Your two examples of potential changes, schedule and sideline, are conveniently defendable from the maintain-the-status-quo point of view.  While there are many ways to justify the continued operation of big, near-empty buses, including deep pocketed alumni who insist that the name of their alma mater go on nothing less than huge powerful commercial buses, there are also many paths/methods to consider when it comes to reducing fuel consumption so that the bus line can run on the currently available supply of grease from Stanford's kitchens, if it can't already.  (The previous sentence is as big as a typical Marguerite bus, but not nearly as empty.)  As you suggest, the Marguerite folks could try to promote the bus line and increase ridership as it's shameful to see near empty buses lumbering around town.  However, the cost of promoting a service is best justified when increased patronage increases revenue.  Generally, it's hoped that the increased revenue will at least cover the cost of promotion.  Since the Marguerite line is a FREE service, their promotional spending would really only serve to justify the wasteful system that's currently in place (Assuming the system IS wasteful - my opinion from my original post).  Going much farther beyond a mention during student or employee initiation, seems like good money after bad to me. 
 
Anyway, I still think the Marguerite folks, as well as anyone else, could stand to steal a BMP from the solar energy nerds.  Get things as efficient as possible, then cut in the alternate energy source.  Just because biodiesel is the best ICE fuel to use, doesn't mean it should be wasted.  When biodiesel is used conservatively, we're thrice blessed.  1.  The best fuel that can be used is being used.  2. Less fuel burnt leads to cleaner air.  3. There's more for others to use, which further displaces petrofuel use.
 
Regards,
 
Greg  <-- Found his shoes glued to the top of a soapbox this morning.
 
 
   
 
Here's another good money after bad idea:  The Marguerite folks could also talk the Stanford food prep folks into doubling the size of their kitchen, and hawk some of the extra fried food to passengers as they ride the bus.  The resulting flood of WVO would be more than enough to supply the Marguerite line with biodiesel.  Heck, with those big buses and the current ridership, they have room to operate a kitchen and a biodiesel processor right onboard.  Then, with about 5 riders, the busses would be full because that's all the room they'd have.
 
PS:  Dude, so how 'bout that KOH?
     
----- Original Message -----
From: stukreit
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 10:50 AM
Subject: [paloaltobiodiesel] Re: Biodiesel for Stanford Marguerite Shuttle?


Dear Greg:

Sometimes it aint necessarily so. Conservation, efficiency and
planning are sometimes at odds.  For example, one might think that
the response to low passenger count or empty buses should be to
reduce the schedule, but that would make the buses less usefull
and discourage the already fragile user base. Also, the capital
expense of sidelining buses would take forever to amortize in
fuel costs.

Wouldn't it be better and usefull to promote and advertise
the shuttle's new improved smell and greenness and thereby
increase ridership?

skk


--- In paloaltobiodiesel@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Feneis" <mfeneis@h...>
wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Here's some frank advice on the Marguerite Shuttle line.  I say
conserve first, then rip the new energy source.  Put the fleet on a
diet.  They're fairly big buses and I rarely see more than 3-5 people
on them.  Lots of times they're empty.  When Stanford gets the fleet





 
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