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Reply | Forward Message #91224 of 95002 |
Im copying here what I posted over at Vintage Vans. The 1st of 3 pics is
attached. This is just too cool and way overdue;

>>>>The top one shown is the rare 67 Econo dual master cylinder which mounts
exactly the same as the single bowl 61-66 style. To convert to the 67 you need
the pedal and pushrod from a 67 also and the brake light switch.
What you see in the picture I just received a few days ago from Dennis of D
and D Brakes in Oregon,who also makes a sweet disc conversion kit for our early
Econolines. This is a prototype bracket he sent me but he has the final version
brackets available and ready for purchase now. Basically they're exactly the
same except with a hair shaved off one spot to allow for better clearance. I ve
looked it over very closely and feel it's a real winner. NOTHING currently
better on the market for sure. The bracket uses a modern day Ford Ranger master
cylinder "modified to a remote fill" and will work with drum,disc,or combination
disc/drum brake setups so it works for everyone. The master cylinder itself is
very cheap so if it ever fails its easy to obtain and very affordable too.
The bracket is very high quality and looks awsome. No garage fabrication
here. Its high quality CNC constructed. It was designed to appears as if it
belongs there in the first place. No rough or square edges or welds,nice rounded
edges,curved steel precision bent brackets professionally interlocked, welded
and ground. I cant say enuf about its quality,strength and design. It
incorporates a self lubricating bronze brake pedal bushing and a grease fitting
also. The bracket is designed to use the stock 61-66 brake pedal, push rod,and
boot which is highly common. D and D provides a new adjustable mechanical brake
light switch along with an attaching bracket so no need for the old pressure
switch, which is another great advantage.
The emergency brake assembly attaches to the bracket just like it did to
the old master cylinder so it keeps it installed in the stock location which is
great. The only modification to the e-brake assembly needed is to cut a small
half moon arch out (roughly half the size of a nickel) near the bottom to allow
for the front brake line to pass thru it,actually under it after the cut is
made. It still leaves everything appearing stock to the untrained eye,even to
most trained eyes I would bet.
Depending on how you route your fill lines you may want to cut out other
holes to make routing easier. As it is,the lines can be shot straight out the
rear but the bracket is designed with cutout holes to the passenger side to
allow for lines in that direction also. You would simply cut matching holes in
the e-brake bracket if you routed the lines in that direction.
The new master cylinder itself matches all the specs of the factory 67 dual
so its a no brainer as a replacement. Cylinder bore and piston stroke length are
identical. All you need to do is decide on disc or drum and use the appropriate
residual valves in each line. Drums require a 10lb and discs a 2 lb. This will
work on any of the applications you decide but if you are dead certain about
discs theres another master cylinder D and D will provide at same price that
fits this bracket that has a slightly smaller bore which would provide even
better braking power.
Either one will work just fine on discs,the first one as stated is an exact
match to the stock dual which most folks have been using for many years on their
discs with no problems whatsoever. The 2nd is just one step better.
This bracket also accepts a 3rd master cylinder which is currently in use by
Mike Ouellete in Nevada on his 61 pro street pickup. Its one made by ECI brakes
in Conneticut and is for those who like a little flashier looking master
cylinder for that extra show appeal. ECI is an excellent company and Ralph at
ECI really knows his stuff inside and out when it comes to brakes. Ralph was
just tickled pink with the new D and D setup when Mike talked to him. Both
Dennis of D and D and myself have since talked with him and everyone is in
agreement that this setup is a winner.
The new master cylinder is not a "from the factory" remote fill reservoir.
Its designed to have the reservoir fill bowl on top of it. D and D have machined
new fittings in place of it and tapped those to accept elbow fittings which the
remote fill hoses would attach to. From there you just choose which type lines
you want and which reservoir you need plus where you are locating it and you
supply them yourself. There are too many different combinations available so D
and D has left that up to the individual to decide.
The rear outlet line fitting on the master exits right into the e-brake
post so a new banjo fitting has been installed which redirects it.
This thing is NEAT. A ton of thought,time, and research has been put into its
design for well over a year. This isnt some thrown together rush job idea by any
means whatsoever. I wouldnt sing its praises if I didnt truly believe it to be a
great product. I ll still keep my stock 67 master's on my current vehicles that
have them but I can absolutely say for sure I ll be using this new setup on my 3
current project Econos. The ease of the remote fill is a great selling point for
me along with the added bonus of total availabiltiy of the new Ford master just
about anywhere you would go.
Pricewise compared to the 67 and resleeving it depends. If you dont have a
67 and need to buy the whole setup its gonna be pretty pricey. $200 or so for
the core and pedal,plus shipping both ways to resleeve it,then a rebuild kit and
brake light,easily over $350 and you still have to clean it up and paint it all
if its old and rusty like most and get new brake lines to plumb it in since it
routes different than the single one. Dont forget the new pedal bushing either.
The complete D and D setup is $350 plus tax and shipping or bracket only for
$175, but have fun machining your own fittings and obtaining all the other
specialty pieces. After you buy the residual valves and brake lines I would
think this whole install would be under $400 and its got the benefits of remote
fill so no more lifting up the mat to check and add fluid.
The stock 67 or the new D and D,either is fine but the stock 67 is getting
almost impossible to find anymore so this has come along at the right time.
Contact D and D thru their website or I ll be glad to answer any questions. No
current info about this setup is on their site yet but it will be soon.
Compared to the bracket shown on The Modern Form website this is by far a
better choice. That bracket alone costs $300 and relocates the master cylinder
8" rearward which doesnt appear stock at all. Its also designed to work with a
Wilwood master cylinder which costs another $130.00. Additionally it doesnt
provide a new mechanical brake light switch. This setup will easily be over $500
so you decide on which is best but Im sure most will agree on D and D for
quality,price,benefits,and somewhat stock appearance.
Lastly,I dont work for D and D,sell D and D parts,and Dennis isnt paying
me to say this. I have conferred with Dennis over the past year about this
during its design stages and thats where my involvement stops. D and D made this
happen and did all the final legwork so please give them the credit and your
business if you feel as I do. When something is right,it's just right,enuf said.

NOTHING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOUR LIFE,THE LIVES OF OTHERS,AND THE ABILITY
TO SAFELY STOP YOUR VEHICLE





--
Tim in Ky
EconoUSAparts
Your used 61-67 Econoline parts source
Constantly parting out E100 vans and trucks.
A100 parts also available


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Im copying here what I posted over at Vintage Vans. The 1st of 3 pics is attached. This is just too cool and way overdue; ... exactly the same as the single...
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so you like it?lol nc richard ... From: EconoUSAparts@... Cc: oldeconolines@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:46 PM Subject:...
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... Gee I dunno,does it show? Tim in KY...
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What is this sliced bread, next your going to tell me you can buy it. Bill in Oshawa...
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... Buy it,or bake it and slice it, but it still wont stop your truck like D and D can:-) RIP Billy Mays Tim in Ky...
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... JM,with the auxiliary attachment kit provided, it does all that plus more and has been known to cure PTSD also but only in labratory animals so far. From...
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Great Stuff ! ... I am looking to install it in her posterior ... without brake fluid ... just air ..I'll take some lines to her brainium ... so every time I...
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