hey all,



our rally project is coming along, but we've run into a few

tough spots. one thing we've found is the really cool

vintage TRD manifold (with built-in overhead linkage) hits

the distributor cap. if it was in a place where we could

shave some off of the manifold, we would, but unfortunately

it's right on the barrel ... not where you want to have thin

spots. so, I'm searching for a decent manifold or a way to

modify the ignition system that would move the distributor

or remove it altogether. if anyone has experienced this, and

found a proper solution, I'd love to hear what you did.



we are also thinking of swapping-in the brakes from our 1982

corolla parts car. our chassis is a '72 KE20, and I'm

wondering if any of you know if '82 corolla brakes , front

and rear, will bolt on to our '72 corolla chassis?



one last question; we've got our motor almost mounted in the

car, but we had to remove the factory sway bar because the

3tc sump sits lower than the stock 3kc motor. does anyone

have a suggestion for how to mount the motor so we can use

the stock sway bar, or maybe where to find an aftermarket

sway bar that would work?



cheers,



Jordan

2008/10/20  <jordan@...>:

> our rally project is coming along, but we've run into a few

> tough spots. one thing we've found is the really cool

> vintage TRD manifold (with built-in overhead linkage) hits

> the distributor cap. if it was in a place where we could

> shave some off of the manifold, we would, but unfortunately

> it's right on the barrel ... not where you want to have thin

> spots. so, I'm searching for a decent manifold or a way to

> modify the ignition system that would move the distributor

> or remove it altogether. if anyone has experienced this, and

> found a proper solution, I'd love to hear what you did.



Have you looked at other T-engine distributors?  Are any of

them smaller?  K motors came out with at least two different

distributor bodies, maybe you'll find the same



Are you sure this manifold wasn't meant to be used on a 2T-G?



j.



--

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Wow, so there might be a smaller distributor cap for the 3TC? It's only about

1/8inch too big, so if there is a smaller one, that

would be perfect. Any ideas on what year this would be for?







I bought the manifold from a guy in Hong Kong; he said it was an original TRD

manifold for a 3TC, but he may not have known for

sure. I was a bit unsure myself because I thought the 3TC was only sold in

California as an econo alternative, so the chances that

Toyota was making racing parts for it were fairly slim. It may very well be a

2TG or 2TC part . but I know it does fit the intake

ports on the block, so it can be used on our 3TC. Either way, it's a very sweet

piece of kit, so I'm hoping we can find a workaround

for this problem. I'll research the smaller distro cap idea. Thanks, M8.







Anyone have any comments on the brake question I posed yesterday? Do the larger

'82 corolla brakes , front and rear, bolt on to a

'72 KE20 corolla chassis?







J







From: oldcorollas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oldcorollas@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf

Of john slee

Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 3:08 PM

To: oldcorollas@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [oldcorollas] manifold for 3tc with Weber side drafts







2008/10/20 <jordan@... <mailto:jordan%40bxds.com> >:

> our rally project is coming along, but we've run into a few

> tough spots. one thing we've found is the really cool

> vintage TRD manifold (with built-in overhead linkage) hits

> the distributor cap. if it was in a place where we could

> shave some off of the manifold, we would, but unfortunately

> it's right on the barrel ... not where you want to have thin

> spots. so, I'm searching for a decent manifold or a way to

> modify the ignition system that would move the distributor

> or remove it altogether. if anyone has experienced this, and

> found a proper solution, I'd love to hear what you did.



Have you looked at other T-engine distributors? Are any of

them smaller? K motors came out with at least two different

distributor bodies, maybe you'll find the same



Are you sure this manifold wasn't meant to be used on a 2T-G?



j.



--

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

2008/10/21 jordan <jordan@...>:

> Wow, so there might be a smaller distributor cap for the 3TC? It's only

> about 1/8inch too big, so if there is a smaller one, that

> would be perfect. Any ideas on what year this would be for?



I said smaller distributor, not just the cap.  I doubt you'll find a smaller

cap that fits the distributor you have.  No idea about years.  Very few

Corollas sold in Australia had T motors, only the TE72 really and those

weren't terribly popular, to put it mildly.



You might be able to find a low-profile aftermarket distributor for it,

perhaps from MSD or some other ignition specialist.  Alternatively some

kind of optical (missing tooth on flywheel ring gear) or hall-effect trigger.



As Stewart Ford said on this group not long ago, ignition is one of the

best bang-for-buck upgrades you can do for an old carbs/points engine

like a K or T.  I've been a passenger in his KE15 twice now.  AWESOME!



> Anyone have any comments on the brake question I posed yesterday? Do the

> larger '82 corolla brakes , front and rear, bolt on to a

> '72 KE20 corolla chassis?



This may not help you but I know of one guy running early (S1 or S2, not

sure) Mazda RX7 struts in his KE25 racecar.  If you can sort out that upgrade

you may find it signficantly easier to upgrade your brakes and suspension.

Sorry I don't have more details on this



j.



--

P-plate adventurer -- http://indigoid.org/

Yes, you're right, I meant the actual distributor housing, not the cap itself. I

haven't found one yet, but I did discover that the

77-78 distributor is smaller than the later ones, and from what I've been told,

they DO indeed work with Weber side drafts without

touching the manifold barrel. So, that sounds hopeful. Now all I need to do is

find one in good shape.







S1 or S2 RX7 struts . got it.







Any thoughts on the sway bar?







From: oldcorollas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oldcorollas@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf

Of john slee

Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 2:01 PM

To: oldcorollas@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [oldcorollas] manifold for 3tc with Weber side drafts







2008/10/21 jordan <jordan@... <mailto:jordan%40bxds.com> >:

> Wow, so there might be a smaller distributor cap for the 3TC? It's only

> about 1/8inch too big, so if there is a smaller one, that

> would be perfect. Any ideas on what year this would be for?



I said smaller distributor, not just the cap. I doubt you'll find a smaller

cap that fits the distributor you have. No idea about years. Very few

Corollas sold in Australia had T motors, only the TE72 really and those

weren't terribly popular, to put it mildly.



You might be able to find a low-profile aftermarket distributor for it,

perhaps from MSD or some other ignition specialist. Alternatively some

kind of optical (missing tooth on flywheel ring gear) or hall-effect trigger.



As Stewart Ford said on this group not long ago, ignition is one of the

best bang-for-buck upgrades you can do for an old carbs/points engine

like a K or T. I've been a passenger in his KE15 twice now. AWESOME!



> Anyone have any comments on the brake question I posed yesterday? Do the

> larger '82 corolla brakes , front and rear, bolt on to a

> '72 KE20 corolla chassis?



This may not help you but I know of one guy running early (S1 or S2, not

sure) Mazda RX7 struts in his KE25 racecar. If you can sort out that upgrade

you may find it signficantly easier to upgrade your brakes and suspension.

Sorry I don't have more details on this



j.



--

P-plate adventurer -- http://indigoid.org/











[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

just to clarify...  you have a 3tc in a '72 ke20 with a trd

sidedraft inlet manifold to fit 40mm sidedrafts?  and you have

problems with dizzy clearance on the manifold?

any chance you could link to a pic of your engine bay or email a pic

to me spam@...  im sure i could suggest some ideas.  if

your manifold has 88220 cast into the top then its a 2tg manifold

and although the runners line up, the mounting bolts don't.  if not,

then good score!

one possible option is run the 2tg or 2tgeu distributor which is

taller and thinner so should give clearance on sidedrafts.

as to your sway bar.. the earlier '70 - '72 corolla's ran a

reasonably straight front sway bar.  whereas the later '73 - '75

ke20/ke25/ke26 have a larger forwards step in the middle section

which clears the crank pulley.

early type

http://www.toycrazy.net/tech/comparisonpics/ke2-e3-e7xmembers.jpg

late type

http://www.toycrazy.net/mark/pics/SR39.jpg

-mark









--- In oldcorollas@yahoogroups.com, jordan@... wrote:

>

> hey all,

>

> our rally project is coming along, but we've run into a few

> tough spots. one thing we've found is the really cool

> vintage TRD manifold (with built-in overhead linkage) hits

> the distributor cap. if it was in a place where we could

> shave some off of the manifold, we would, but unfortunately

> it's right on the barrel ... not where you want to have thin

> spots. so, I'm searching for a decent manifold or a way to

> modify the ignition system that would move the distributor

> or remove it altogether. if anyone has experienced this, and

> found a proper solution, I'd love to hear what you did.

>

> we are also thinking of swapping-in the brakes from our 1982

> corolla parts car. our chassis is a '72 KE20, and I'm

> wondering if any of you know if '82 corolla brakes , front

> and rear, will bolt on to our '72 corolla chassis?

>

> one last question; we've got our motor almost mounted in the

> car, but we had to remove the factory sway bar because the

> 3tc sump sits lower than the stock 3kc motor. does anyone

> have a suggestion for how to mount the motor so we can use

> the stock sway bar, or maybe where to find an aftermarket

> sway bar that would work?

>

> cheers,

>

> Jordan

>

"just to clarify... you have a 3tc in a '72 ke20 with a trd

sidedraft inlet manifold to fit 40mm sidedrafts? and you have

problems with dizzy clearance on the manifold?"







Yes, that's exactly right. And the manifold does bolt-on with all the bolts

lined up correctly; that's why we want to keep it so

badly. It's really cool. The car is not here with me at the moment, so I can't

snap any pics, but the next time I'm at the shop I

will take a few and post.







Coincidently, we have found a fairly inexpensive rebuilt 2TC distributor on Ebay

that we think might work. Any thoughts on this?:







http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_Car-Truck-Parts-Accessories__TOYOTA-COROLLA-1-6-\

2TC-CALI-REMAN-DISTRIBUTOR-1975-76_W0QQitemZ35011354

7648QQadnZCarQ20Q26Q20TruckQ20PartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQadiZ2865QQcmdZViewItem?\

hash=item350113547648

<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_Car-Truck-Parts-Accessories__TOYOTA-COROLLA-1-6\

-2TC-CALI-REMAN-DISTRIBUTOR-1975-76_W0QQitemZ3501135

47648QQadnZCarQ20Q26Q20TruckQ20PartsQ20Q26Q20AccessoriesQQadiZ2865QQcmdZViewItem\

?hash=item350113547648&_trkparms=72%3A543|39%3A1|65%

3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245>

&_trkparms=72%3A543|39%3A1|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245







We have an old TRD parts catalogue that shows a couple different sway bars for

Corollas that had a deeper forward step. I have no

idea where to find one, but it would be very cool if we could. I guess we're

going with the later model ke20/ke25/ke26 sway bar.







J







From: oldcorollas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oldcorollas@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf

Of Mark

Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:36 AM

To: oldcorollas@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [oldcorollas] Re: manifold for 3tc with Weber side drafts







just to clarify... you have a 3tc in a '72 ke20 with a trd

sidedraft inlet manifold to fit 40mm sidedrafts? and you have

problems with dizzy clearance on the manifold?

any chance you could link to a pic of your engine bay or email a pic

to me spam@... <mailto:spam%40toycrazy.net>  im sure i could suggest

some ideas. if

your manifold has 88220 cast into the top then its a 2tg manifold

and although the runners line up, the mounting bolts don't. if not,

then good score!

one possible option is run the 2tg or 2tgeu distributor which is

taller and thinner so should give clearance on sidedrafts.

as to your sway bar.. the earlier '70 - '72 corolla's ran a

reasonably straight front sway bar. whereas the later '73 - '75

ke20/ke25/ke26 have a larger forwards step in the middle section

which clears the crank pulley.

early type

http://www.toycrazy.net/tech/comparisonpics/ke2-e3-e7xmembers.jpg

late type

http://www.toycrazy.net/mark/pics/SR39.jpg

-mark



--- In oldcorollas@yahoogroups.com <mailto:oldcorollas%40yahoogroups.com> ,

jordan@... wrote:

>

> hey all,

>

> our rally project is coming along, but we've run into a few

> tough spots. one thing we've found is the really cool

> vintage TRD manifold (with built-in overhead linkage) hits

> the distributor cap. if it was in a place where we could

> shave some off of the manifold, we would, but unfortunately

> it's right on the barrel ... not where you want to have thin

> spots. so, I'm searching for a decent manifold or a way to

> modify the ignition system that would move the distributor

> or remove it altogether. if anyone has experienced this, and

> found a proper solution, I'd love to hear what you did.

>

> we are also thinking of swapping-in the brakes from our 1982

> corolla parts car. our chassis is a '72 KE20, and I'm

> wondering if any of you know if '82 corolla brakes , front

> and rear, will bolt on to our '72 corolla chassis?

>

> one last question; we've got our motor almost mounted in the

> car, but we had to remove the factory sway bar because the

> 3tc sump sits lower than the stock 3kc motor. does anyone

> have a suggestion for how to mount the motor so we can use

> the stock sway bar, or maybe where to find an aftermarket

> sway bar that would work?

>

> cheers,

>

> Jordan

>











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I have purchased a 3tc Ke15 Sprinter racer with this set up.  It will

be here soon and I can take pictures -- it has just about every TEQ

trick available in 1970.



Pete 206 467 2641

Excellent! Congratulations, M8.







Yes, pictures would really help us a great deal. Thank you very, very much! Come

to think of it, what would really help is the MFG

part # off your dizzy housing.







J







From: oldcorollas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oldcorollas@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf

Of pinsx3

Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:58 AM

To: oldcorollas@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [oldcorollas] Re: manifold for 3tc with Weber side drafts







I have purchased a 3tc Ke15 Sprinter racer with this set up. It will

be here soon and I can take pictures -- it has just about every TEQ

trick available in 1970.













[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

for ke70 brakes into ke20..

there are a few different brake variations in the ke70's and will

make a big difference to them fitting or not.  brake sizes are

either 200x12, 218x12? or 225x10.  aussie spec may vary?  earlier

ke70's run a steering arm with 87mm bolt spacing to the front

struts.  these have a similar hub design to ke20 with the exception

of the inner bearing is bigger and 4x114.3 stud pattern instead of

4x110.  i think you can use a ke30 inner bearing in these hubs?

infact, ke30 218mm brakes are an easier swap i believe. but measure

up before buying anything!  the ke70 backing plates have a different

bolt pattern but i have heard of people that have slotted/redrilled

the holes so the ke70 backing plate/caliper mount fits the ke2

strut. then run ke70 disk and caliper.  this gives a small but

noticeable improvement over standard.

the later type of ke70 strut is similar to ae85, ae86, te71 or most

70's rwd ta2# celica, carina etc.  there are variations to these

struts but the later '80's ones seem to be same. these are

identifiable by an 85mm bolt spacing on the steering arm and the

rotor bolts to the hub from the inside rather than the outside like

earlier corolla.

the hubs will not swap across to the ke20 strut unfortunately, but a

complete strut swap is the usual way of upgrading.. in my opinion

this is the preferred setup as you are able to easily upgrade the

disk due to the mounting threads into the hub rather than the disk.

these type of hub have a longer stub axle too so will gain a little

bit extra track width.  the best version being the 9" vented disk

strut from 4age powered ae86.  the shortest steering arms for the

ae86 type strut are the power steering version ae85/ae86 at 115mm

eye to eye.  The late ke70 wagon have a 130mm length steering arm as

do ta22.  the ke20 will have a 110mm length arm so you see there is

a gain in steering arm length, therefor slower steering and less

lock. also all have a larger ball joint hole than the ke2#.

there is one steering arm available that is a perfect match for

these struts into ke2# and thats the jdm or US spec te21, te27 or

te28.  but sourcing some is the tricky part.  these are 85mm bolt

spacing with 110mm length arm, exactly same length as ke20 with the

smaller ke2# size ball joint.  one other geometry that needs

adjusting is camber.. which becomes 1.5' positive once installed.

(this is what i measured on my ke26 running ae85 struts). a pair of

camber plates is required to put back in alignment. oh and a shorter

spring and short stroke shock upgrade for nice ride height.

i've written a guide here for this particular conversion

http://www.toycrazy.net/tech/ke2strutupgrade.htm

hope that helps

as to the rear drums.. ive never tried swapping a 9" drum onto ke2

so would be interested in finding out :)

-mark







--- In oldcorollas@yahoogroups.com, jordan@... wrote:

>

> hey all,

>

> our rally project is coming along, but we've run into a few

> tough spots. one thing we've found is the really cool

> vintage TRD manifold (with built-in overhead linkage) hits

> the distributor cap. if it was in a place where we could

> shave some off of the manifold, we would, but unfortunately

> it's right on the barrel ... not where you want to have thin

> spots. so, I'm searching for a decent manifold or a way to

> modify the ignition system that would move the distributor

> or remove it altogether. if anyone has experienced this, and

> found a proper solution, I'd love to hear what you did.

>

> we are also thinking of swapping-in the brakes from our 1982

> corolla parts car. our chassis is a '72 KE20, and I'm

> wondering if any of you know if '82 corolla brakes , front

> and rear, will bolt on to our '72 corolla chassis?

>

> one last question; we've got our motor almost mounted in the

> car, but we had to remove the factory sway bar because the

> 3tc sump sits lower than the stock 3kc motor. does anyone

> have a suggestion for how to mount the motor so we can use

> the stock sway bar, or maybe where to find an aftermarket

> sway bar that would work?

>

> cheers,

>

> Jordan

>

on the brakes thing,

i have KE70 backing plates, calipers and dics with KE20 huns as a

complete bolt in, no mods (except for dust cover part of backing

plate for the short KE1X steering arms) into my KE15.



the aussie KE70 had local brakes, with square pads, and the "south

east asia" and probably japan version had long thin pads.. similar

to the KE20 original pad shape.



i found one of the S.E.A cars in a wrecker in oz, and the backing

plate pattern was a perfect bolt up to a KE20 and KE10 strut.

the bolt size and spacing was perfect.



i believe the square pad KE70's have the non-rectangular bolt

pattern with larger bolt holes in the backing plate.



there was some mention of KE70 calipers bolting to KE30 backing

plates...



also, the KE70 in oz had 218x12.? (12.7?)mm discs like the KE55 did,

and the KE30 had almost same discs but 10mm thick.

KE10 and KE20 had 200x10mm discs

the panel van KE70's had 228 iirc?



RX7 struts have been fitted to KE10's with KE20 front end



camira discs with Volvo 4 pots have also been done into KE1/2X



in japan i saw a nice KE2X which had been fitted with AE86 front

end, and used later RX7 calipers on larger discs... increases track,

but that is also good....



> for ke70 brakes into ke20..

> there are a few different brake variations in the ke70's and will

> make a big difference to them fitting or not.  brake sizes are

> either 200x12, 218x12? or 225x10.  aussie spec may vary?  earlier

> ke70's run a steering arm with 87mm bolt spacing to the front

> struts.  these have a similar hub design to ke20 with the

exception

> of the inner bearing is bigger and 4x114.3 stud pattern instead of

> 4x110.  i think you can use a ke30 inner bearing in these hubs?

> infact, ke30 218mm brakes are an easier swap i believe. but

measure

> up before buying anything!  the ke70 backing plates have a

different

> bolt pattern but i have heard of people that have

slotted/redrilled

> the holes so the ke70 backing plate/caliper mount fits the ke2

> strut. then run ke70 disk and caliper.

2008/10/26 oldcorollas <oldcorollas@...>:

> camira discs with Volvo 4 pots have also been done into KE1/2X



unfortunately these volvo calipers weigh more than a KE10



j.



--

P-plate adventurer -- http://indigoid.org/

yes, but they let you fit somethign like a 250? 258? mm disc under 13"

rims...



--- In oldcorollas@yahoogroups.com, "john slee" <indigoid@...> wrote:

>

> 2008/10/26 oldcorollas <oldcorollas@...>:

> > camira discs with Volvo 4 pots have also been done into KE1/2X

>

> unfortunately these volvo calipers weigh more than a KE10

>

> j.

>