Ok, I'll do that. But, it won't be until after November 1st. I'll come on
by.

-----Original Message-----
From: JohnPaulHud Hudson [mailto:johnpaulhud@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:18 PM
To: ntcgp@...
Subject: RE: [NTCGP] Alignment question Tires



Make sure you have a road force balance done first. Vibrations can only
come from something out of balance. Struts cause bounce and when you have a
inbalanced tire it makes the strut wear seem worse. With a road force
balance they check the rim too and if posable they rotate the tire on the
rim to get the best low spot on the tire to the high spot on the rim. If the
whole assembly does not come to with in true they will tell you about it...
A little more info about the vibration would help too. Come by the west side
of Ft. Worth and let me ride in it and SEE! J.P.

ps this shop has a road force balancer



>From: Rick Beyer
>Reply-To: ntcgp@...
>To: "'ntcgp@...'"
>Subject: RE: [NTCGP] Alignment question
>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:11:43 -0500
>
>So, then do I need to buy new struts then? He checked to see if anything
>was bent and didn't fix the problem. He aligned the camber and toe, but,
>not the caster. Are my struts bad and not fixable at this point?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: JohnPaulHud Hudson [mailto:johnpaulhud@...]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 9:07 AM
>To: ntcgp@...
>Subject: RE: [NTCGP] Alignment question
>
>
>
> Caster is the set back from the angle the strut points to the ground, ie.
>like a caster on a shopping cart this self corrects straightens out the
>steering, and is out adjustable,. The car will tend to drift to the side
>with the least negative camber and lower caster. Magna-steer helps hold the

>steering wheel on these cars. J.P.
>
>
>
> >From: Rick Beyer
> >Reply-To: ntcgp@...
> >To: "'ntcgp@...'"
> >Subject: RE: [NTCGP] Alignment question
> >Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:53:53 -0500
> >
> >These are the numbers he showed me:
> >
> >Front Right:
> > Actual Specified Range
> >Camber -1.1° -0.3° 0.7°
> >Caster 6.9° 2.5° 3.5°
> >
> >Front Left:
> > Actual Specified Range
> >Camber -1.3° -0.3° 0.7°
> >
> >It looks like my front right Caster is way off. Both sides 'camber' are
off
>
> >a little. Which way is caster again? And, why couldn't he fix it?
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: JohnPaulHud Hudson [mailto:JohnPaulHud@...]
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 6:52 AM
> >To: ntcgp@...
> >Subject: Re: [NTCGP] Alignment question
> >
> >
> > Note on aligning Grand Prix. The sub-frame shifts left and right almost
an
>
> >
> >inch this really kicks the steering wheel out of center but.. it allows
the
>
> >alignment technician to even out camber the amount the wheel leans in at
>the
> >
> >top of the tire is negative camber. Then when the toe in is adjusted
center
>
> >the steering.. Eccentric camber adjusting bolts are also available.J.P.
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Rick Beyer"
> >To:
> >Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:32 PM
> >Subject: RE: [NTCGP] Alignment question
> >
> >
> > > Me neither. I'm guessing so that he can get the proper angle. Sound
> > > really
> > > stupid to me. HA!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gilbert Solis [mailto:gsolis@...]
> > > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:01 PM
> > > To: ntcgp@...
> > > Subject: RE: [NTCGP] Alignment question
> > >
> > >
> > > Why would he have to cut into anything to adjust the nuts that are
>holding
> > > the struts in place? I dont understand that.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ntcgp-owner@...
> > > [mailto:ntcgp-owner@...]On Behalf Of Rick Beyer
> > > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 1:28 PM
> > > To: 'ntcgp@...'
> > > Subject: [NTCGP] Alignment question
> > >
> > >
> > > I just got an alignment and he showed me how far off it was. He told
me
> > > that he could adjust the toe on all 4 wheels (which he did), but,
showed
>
> > > me
> > > how far off the Caster or something or another. He then told me that
in
> > > order to straighten it, he would have to cut into the engine bay and
> > > readjust the nuts that hold whatever that part is that fastens inside
>the
> > > engine bay. Strut?
> > >
> > > I said NO, just align it as much as you can for the same price I was
> > > quoted.
> > > So, he did and I still have vibration. Now, next up is the driver's
side
>
> > > motor mount.
> > >
> > > Again, I still have vibration at around 45mph, only in the gas pedal
and
>
> > > it
> > > shakes the car a bit. The steering wheel DOES NOT shake what-so-ever.
> > > What
> > > else can I possibly look at? I'm dyin' here.
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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