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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Top storage (Nora Hague)
2. 2002 National Miata Ripoff? (Chris Weaver)
3. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Mark Booth)
4. Re: 2002 National Miata Ripoff? (Ken Cloud)
5. Door Speakers (Craig Fry)
6. Re: 2002 National Miata Ripoff? (Bob Hotaling)
7. Temperature gauge non-linearity (FWIW) (Patrick Manning)
8. Re: 2002 National Miata Ripoff? (Bob Hotaling)
9. RE: Miata National Miata Event (is not a) Ripoff (Theresa Davis)
10. single vs. double lines (NMC) (Richard Sorrentino)
11. Re: single vs. double lines (NMC) (Bob Hotaling)
12. Re: 2002 National Miata Ripoff? (Dennis B. Swaney)
13. RE: 2002 National Miata Ripoff? (nramsey)
14. Re: single vs. double lines (NMC) (berck@...)
15. RE: Miata National Miata Event (is not a) Ripoff (Mark Booth)
16. Re: 2002 National Miata Ripoff? (Bob Hotaling)
17. Re: RE: Miata National Miata Event (is not a) Ripoff (Bob Hotaling)
18. RE: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Mark Booth)
19. Why only 200 Cars at the Miata 2002 National Event? (Theresa Davis)
20. RE: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (nramsey)
21. Re: RE: Miata National Miata Event (is not a) Ripoff (Mark Booth)
22. Re: 2002 National Miata Ripoff? (Bob Hotaling)
23. RE: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Mark Booth)
24. Re: RE: Miata National Miata Event (is not a) Ripoff (Bob Hotaling)
25. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Bob Hotaling)
26. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Bob Hotaling)
27. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (nramsey)
28. RE: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Jon Etkins)
29. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (nramsey)
30. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Bob Hotaling)
31. Re: 2002 National Miata Ripoff? (billkille)
32. 200 Car limit at National event (Theresa Davis)
33. Re: 2002 National Miata Ripoff? (Kai Staemmler)
34. RE: Temperature gauge non-linearity (FWIW) (Bill Cardell)
35. Miata 2002 (Theresa Davis)
36. Re: 2002 National Miata Ripoff? (Nora Hague)
37. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Bill Kellenberger)
38. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Bill Kellenberger)
39. Grabbing first (and grabbing second) (Jon Etkins)
40. Gauges (Himansu Yapa)
41. Re: single vs. double lines (NMC) (Keith Tanner)
42. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Keith Tanner)
43. Ground Control coilovers: installation writeup available
(jaimev@...)
44. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Tina Csomo)
45. Take The Scenic Route, Capital Area Miata Event 2002 (Theresa Davis)
46. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (Larry Alster)
47. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (Bob Hotaling)
48. RE: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (Bill Cardell)
49. Re: 2002 National Miata Ripoff? (Larry Alster)
50. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (nramsey)
51. Re: 2002 National Miata Ripoff? (Larry Alster)
52. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (Bob Hotaling)
53. RE: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (Bill Cardell)
54. Re: Gauges (Scott Wegener, Roadster Performance)
55. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Bob Hotaling)
56. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Larry Alster)
57. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (nramsey)
58. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (Lou Iezzi)
59. Re: 2002 National Miata Ripoff? (Keith Tanner)
60. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Keith Tanner)
61. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (Keith Barton)
62. RE: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (Bill Cardell)
63. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (Jeff Gehrig)
64. Re: 2002 National Miata Ripoff? (Redline7000)
65. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Larry Alster)
66. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (Jon Etkins)
67. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (Jon Etkins)
68. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (Lou Iezzi)
69. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (Jeff Gehrig)
70. Will a '95 A/C compressor fit a '92? (Jason Soza)
71. RE: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (Bill Cardell)
72. possible 2002 SE scoop (Kevin Morrison)
73. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Bob Hotaling)
74. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (nramsey)
75. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Larry Alster)
76. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Bob Hotaling)
77. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Larry Alster)
78. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (Larry Alster)
79. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Larry Alster)
80. Re: possible 2002 SE scoop (Keith Tanner)
81. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Tina Csomo)
82. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Ken Cloud)
83. Re: possible 2002 SE scoop (Jeff Gehrig)
84. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (billkille)
85. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Jay Evans)
86. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (Larry Alster)
87. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud, now (nmc) (Kevin Morrison)
88. Re: Miata 2002 (Kai Staemmler)
89. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud, now (nmc) (Keith Tanner)
90. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (Sam Sharp)
91. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Kai Staemmler)
92. Re: possible 2002 SE scoop (Kevin Morrison)
93. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (billkille)
94. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud, now (nmc) (billkille)
95. Recommendation for a good auto shipping service (Michael Hagerla)
96. The long arm of the law (Jon Etkins)
97. Brake master cyl leak? (Matt Smith)
98. RE: They Don't Seem to Mention This in the Manual (Michael Hagerla)
99. help (Frank)
100. Miata Rental In The Netherlands? (DAS)
101. Where are some good outlets for selling a Hard top? (JEAUXMOE1@...)
102. Anybody have an unused MCA sticker, or the logo art? (Michael Hagerla)
103. RE: Re: [Miata] Question (tcwingnut@...)
104. Supercharger for Australia (Naohiko Colin Niwa)
105. RE: 2002 National Miata Ripoff? (Michael Hagerla)
106. Re: The long arm of the law (Joseph P. Portas)
107. Re: Where are some good outlets for selling a Hard top? (Larry Alster)
108. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (Keith Barton)
109. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud, now (nmc) (Larry Alster)
110. Re: The long arm of the law (Keith Tanner)
111. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud, now (nmc) (Larry Alster)
112. Re: single vs. double lines (NMC) (John Freas)
113. Re: [PMC] Mazda Competition LSD install in Atlanta (hickoryhock)
114. Re: The long arm of the law (Joseph P. Portas)
115. Re: The long arm of the law (Keith Barton)
116. Re: The long arm of the law (Joseph P. Portas)
117. RE: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (Michael Hagerla)
118. Re: Anybody have an unused MCA sticker, or the logo
art? (Gary Spray)
119. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (Gary Spray)
120. Re: Recommendation for a good auto shipping service (Gary Spray)
121. Re: Anybody have an unused MCA sticker, or the logo art?
(berck@...)
122. Re: Anybody have an unused MCA sticker, or the logo art?
(berck@...)
123. Re: Will a '95 A/C compressor fit a '92? (Peter Dilts)
124. I'm a Miata Driver, Finally! (rjs)
125. RE: Will a '95 A/C compressor fit a '92? (Jason Soza)
126. Jeannie... was... Ford heavy duty brake fliud (Bob Schnider)
127. Re: single vs. double lines (NMC) (Nora Hague)
128. Re: help (Kevin Morrison)
129. Re: help (Keith Tanner)
130. Re: Miata Rental In The Netherlands? (Keith Tanner)
131. Re: help (Joseph P. Portas)
132. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud, now (nmc) (Pat Manning)
133. Wheel size question. (Phil Moore)
134. Re: Miata Rental In The Netherlands? (Jeff Gehrig)
135. Re: single vs. double lines (NMC) (rjs)
136. Re: The long arm of the law (Rod Anderson)
137. Re: Miata Club Insurance Benefit (Don Minkoff)
138. Re: Wheel size question. (Keith Tanner)
139. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (Werner Cassel)
140. Re: The long arm of the law (Werner Cassel)
141. Re: The long arm of the law (Frank Fisher)
142. Re: The long arm of the law (Axel W.)
143. Re: The long arm of the law (Axel W.)
144. Re: The long arm of the law (Werner Cassel)
145. Re: Miata Rental In The Netherlands? (Axel W.)
146. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (Axel W.)
147. Re: The long arm of the law (Frank Fisher)
148. The "older" Net Gang (Bob Hotaling)
149. Re: 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff (Bob Hotaling)
150. Re: Will a '95 A/C compressor fit a '92? (Ric Allan)
151. Re: possible 2002 SE scoop (Axel W.)
152. Re: possible 2002 SE scoop (Ives Aerts)
153. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (M97C94B90@...)
154. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (Bob Hotaling)
155. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (M97C94B90@...)
156. Re: single vs. double lines (NMC) (Phredd)
157. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (NMC) (M97C94B90@...)
158. RE: I'm a Miata Driver, Finally! (Tom Blough)
159. RE: I'm a Miata Driver, Finally! (Tom Blough)
160. Re: possible 2002 SE scoop (Michael & Paula Whitehouse)
161. Re: Ford heavy duty brake fliud (NMC) (Bob Hotaling)

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Message: 1
From: "Nora Hague" <nora@...>
To: <miata@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] Top storage
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:35:34 -0500
charset="iso-8859-1"

Weird. I just nip the front edge of the towel under the glass window and the
shelf as the top comes down, and fold the back edge of the towel under the
header. When I slide the hardtop on, those two tongue-thingies nip the towel
over the front latches perfectly. No slippage all winter. And the towel does
a good job of absorbing stray melt-water off the snowbrush/icescraper thing.

Nora (imagine a Canadian flag here)
========================
and the Rollerskate
http://my-us.com/nora/lachine/0085-Lachine.jpg
Winter, Montreal, 2000.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scarlett MX5" <scarlettmx5@...>
To: <miata@...>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Top storage

> You are exactly correct - I just kind of lay the boot over the soft top
> after I've put the hard top on. The boot covers the soft top for the most
> part, it just isn't terribly graceful while doing so. :-)
> I tried a towel, but it kept slipping off, no matter how hard I tried to
> tuck it in.
>
> Denise & Scarlett
> Bothell, WA
>
> >From: Berck E. Nash <berck@...>
> >Reply-To: berckums@...
> >To: "Dennis B. Swaney" <romad@...>, "Scarlett MX5"
> ><scarlettmx5@...>
> >CC: miata@...
> >Subject: Re: [Miata] Top storage
> >Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 14:47:44 -0500
> >
> >I'm quite certain that she doesn't actually fit the rear part over beam
> >that
> >the hard top seals on... you just sort of tuck it in, so it doesn' affect
> >the
> >hard top seal.
> >
> >On Wednesday 14 November 2001 09:38, Dennis B. Swaney wrote:
> > > I seem to remember that Mazda said to NOT use the soft top boot with
> > > the hard top. The reasons were, IIRC, the HT seal wouldn't seal &
> > > might be damaged and the soft top boot could be damaged. Have you
> > > noticed any damage?
> > >
> > > At 10:29 -0800 11/13/01, Scarlett MX5 wrote:
> > > >Instead of a hard top boot, I just use my soft top boot. It's not
> >perfect
> > > >or graceful, but it covers the soft top. There is nothing for the
back
> > > >edges to snap on to or anything, but I rarely look back there anyway.
> > >
> > > Miataly,
> > > Dennis
> > > ---
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:29:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@...>
To: miata@...
Subject: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Ripoff?

What da fuh? Granted, I've never been to one of these
events, but WHY is it so freakin' expensive? I live in
Arlington, VA only ten miles from DC and I can't see
spending three hundred bucks or more for my girlfriend
and I to go to this event. Does it cost anything (or
less at least) for someone to just attend the event
(rather than enter concours etc)?

I want to do some of that stuff they list, but at
those prices? Fuggedaboudit.

Chris Weaver
'01 LS

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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:50:59 -0800
To: Miata E-mail List <miata@...>
From: Mark Booth <mbooth@...>
Subject: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Event
http://www.mscw.com/Miata2002/

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:59:01 -0800
To: Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@...>
From: Mark Booth <mbooth@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
Cc: miata@...

At 7:29 AM -0800 11/19/01, Chris Weaver wrote:
>What da fuh? Granted, I've never been to one of these
>events, but WHY is it so freakin' expensive?

FOOD! INSURANCE! TRACK RENTAL! ETC! ETC! ETC!

In most cases, the sponsoring club(s) do not offer a "lesser"
participation level (nor do I feel that they should). With only 200
car slots available, I'm certain this event won't have any trouble
selling out. But, Chris, if you are waiting for that "inexpensive"
national event to come along, you might have a long wait.

My question is this: As this is being sponsored by the MAZDA
Sportscar Club of D.C., will some of the slots be taken by OTM (other
than Miata) Mazda sports cars? Or, will this be a Miata-only event?

Not that it will have any effect on me... I won't be attending. Just curious.

--
Mark Booth

2001 Classic Red LS w/6-speed

San Diego Miata Club
http://www.SanDiegoMiataClub.org

Miata Owners Club
http://www.miataownersclub.com

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http://www.teamvoodoo.com

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Message: 4
From: "Ken Cloud" <kec@...>
To: "Chris Weaver" <chris_vtr@...>, <miata@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Ripoff?
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:05:24 -0500
charset="iso-8859-1"

Ditto me, just what costs so much for one of these events? Then its 99 a
night for hotel. Wow, I guess it keeps out the riff-raff.

Ken Cloud with lots of questions

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Weaver" <chris_vtr@...>
To: <miata@...>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 10:29 AM
Subject: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Ripoff?

> What da fuh? Granted, I've never been to one of these
> events, but WHY is it so freakin' expensive? I live in
> Arlington, VA only ten miles from DC and I can't see
> spending three hundred bucks or more for my girlfriend
> and I to go to this event. Does it cost anything (or
> less at least) for someone to just attend the event
> (rather than enter concours etc)?
>
> I want to do some of that stuff they list, but at
> those prices? Fuggedaboudit.
>
> Chris Weaver
> '01 LS
>
>
> --- miata-request@... wrote:
> Message: 22
> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:50:59 -0800
> To: Miata E-mail List <miata@...>
> From: Mark Booth <mbooth@...>
> Subject: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Event
> http://www.mscw.com/Miata2002/
>
>
>
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Message: 5
From: Craig Fry <craigfry@...>
To: miata@...
Cc: rmcelwee@...
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:04:42 -0500
Subject: [Miata] Door Speakers

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From: "Robert McElwee" <rmcelwee@...>

Subject: Re: [Miata] Door Speaker Recommendations

Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 16:57:15 -0500

Correct me if I'm wrong, but since Dynamat absorbs noise would you not want
to keep this as far away from speakers as possible? It seems like what you
are doing is trying to combat door noise, not improve speaker response. If
Dynamat was a good solution you would find that inside all speaker
enclosures but I have never seen this used (in speaker nclosures).

-------------------

Robert,

In any good speaker enclosure, you want to absorb as much of the noise
coming out of the back of the speaker as possible, unless you're trying to
create a special "port" which will redirect some of that sound back into the
listening area (NOT the case with the door of your Miata).

As the speaker cone of your speaker moves back and forth, it sends out two
sound waves ... one back, one forth (one traveling backward into your door
enclosure, one traveling forward into the passenger compartment of your
car). The one traveling forward, into your car, is the one you want to
listen to. The one traveling backward into your door is a troublemaker. It
can cause loose things in your door to rattle. It can be reflected back to
the speaker cone and potentially cancel out the sound waves that you're
trying to generate. In other words, can only hurt the sound quality of your
system.

The more of it you can absorb, the better off you'll be. If you're
installing Dynamat, just don't let it come in contact with the speaker cone
and you should be fine.

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Message: 6
From: "Bob Hotaling" <bobhotaling@...>
To: "Chris Weaver" <chris_vtr@...>, <miata@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Ripoff?
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:12:13 -0500
charset="iso-8859-1"

Always an interesting topic, Chris. But when you figure the meals you are
getting, insurance costs, rental for vendor hall, fees for a parking lot for
the autocross, funcanna, etc....and all the other "little" things you never
think of, it's actually not one of the more expensive ones. Check out
Dallas last year as an example. But yeah, you picks and chooses and do
what makes most sense to you. :)

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Weaver" <chris_vtr@...>
To: <miata@...>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 10:29 AM
Subject: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Ripoff?

> What da fuh? Granted, I've never been to one of these
> events, but WHY is it so freakin' expensive? I live in
> Arlington, VA only ten miles from DC and I can't see
> spending three hundred bucks or more for my girlfriend
> and I to go to this event. Does it cost anything (or
> less at least) for someone to just attend the event
> (rather than enter concours etc)?
>
> I want to do some of that stuff they list, but at
> those prices? Fuggedaboudit.
>
> Chris Weaver
> '01 LS
>
>
> --- miata-request@... wrote:
> Message: 22
> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:50:59 -0800
> To: Miata E-mail List <miata@...>
> From: Mark Booth <mbooth@...>
> Subject: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Event
> http://www.mscw.com/Miata2002/
>
>
>
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Message: 7
From: "Patrick Manning" <p.manning@...>
To: "Miata List" <miata@...>
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:15:01 -0500
Subject: [Miata] Temperature gauge non-linearity (FWIW)

Hi All--

I seem to recall a discussion a short time ago about the fact that the
Miat's temperature gauge seems to have a 'flat spot' in the vicinity of the
normal operating temperature range, and just found this little tid-bit on
the Keystone Thermometrics page while researching a part for work. This
certainly seems to support what people have seen, and it is evidently an
intentional design characteristic of the gauge.

Personally, I'd much prefer to know the actual temperature and make my
judgements regarding the health of the cooling system from that, but I
suppose from the automaker's point of view most people out there are not of
our ilk and would get upset if they saw the gauge moving too much and
probably make a nuiscance of themselves at the service department. (It's my
guess that this might also be _partially_ to blame for the demise of the
real OPG on the '95 cars, too- I'd be willing to bet that a lot of folks
unfamiliar with the behavior of oil pressure in an engine [higher when cold,
lower when warm, tracking engine speed, etc...] got flipped out and cost
service departments time and aggravation.)

FWIW, thermistors are temperature-dependent resistors, their value changes
with changing temp. NTC means negative temperature coefficient and PTC
means positive temperature coefficient. The resistance of an NTC thermistor
drops as temperature goes up, the resistance of a PTC device goes up with
increasing temperature. NTC devices are usually relatively linear over a
wide range of temps, while PTC ones typically react in a fairly small temp
range. From the following description, it sounds like this composite one
steadily decreases in resistance as it heats, then in the normal operating
range levels off, then drops again as temp exceeds the normal range.
(resistance on the vertical axis, temp on the horizontal. The flat spot is
the normal operating range) (Bad ASCII graph, view in fixed-pitch font)

R| \
e| \
s| \
i| \
s| \___
t| \
a| \
n| \
c| \
e|_____________\__
Temperature

From the Keystone Thermometrics page:

(http://www.thermometrics.com/htmldocs/whatis.htm)

'The unique patented design Composite Thermistor contains 2 NTC and 1 PTC
thermistors and has a resistance temperature characteristic similar to a
single NTC but with a region of constant resistance.

Designed for driving automotive coolant temperature gauges, the composite
sensor resistance is virtually constant over a specified range, which
results in a steady centre dial gauge reading during normal engine
operation. Hot and cold zone sensitivity are retained, so that motorists are
warned of abnormal conditions. With careful selection of the plateau region,
the same type of device can be used in a wide variety of operation systems,
so that the production economics are compatible with the requirements of our
automotive customers.'

BR

Pat

'96 B&T
Nutmeg Miata, CT

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Message: 8
From: "Bob Hotaling" <bobhotaling@...>
To: "Ken Cloud" <kec@...>, "Chris Weaver" <chris_vtr@...>,
<miata@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Ripoff?
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:14:10 -0500
charset="iso-8859-1"

Probably best asked of the committee itself. They have a website and email
up, right?

Last time I stayed in DC I bummed a couch from Joe Pasch....area hotels can
be outta' sight price wise.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Cloud" <kec@...>
To: "Chris Weaver" <chris_vtr@...>; <miata@...>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Ripoff?

> charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Ditto me, just what costs so much for one of these events? Then its 99 a
> night for hotel. Wow, I guess it keeps out the riff-raff.
>
> Ken Cloud with lots of questions
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Weaver" <chris_vtr@...>
> To: <miata@...>
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 10:29 AM
> Subject: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Ripoff?
>
>
> > What da fuh? Granted, I've never been to one of these
> > events, but WHY is it so freakin' expensive? I live in
> > Arlington, VA only ten miles from DC and I can't see
> > spending three hundred bucks or more for my girlfriend
> > and I to go to this event. Does it cost anything (or
> > less at least) for someone to just attend the event
> > (rather than enter concours etc)?
> >
> > I want to do some of that stuff they list, but at
> > those prices? Fuggedaboudit.
> >
> > Chris Weaver
> > '01 LS
> >
> >
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> > Message: 22
> > Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:50:59 -0800
> > To: Miata E-mail List <miata@...>
> > From: Mark Booth <mbooth@...>
> > Subject: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Event
> > http://www.mscw.com/Miata2002/
> >
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:23:00 -0500
From: "Theresa Davis" <TDavis@...>
To: <Miata@...>
Subject: [Miata] RE: Miata National Miata Event (is not a) Ripoff

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My question is this: As this is being sponsored by the MAZDA Sportscar Club of
D.C., will some of the slots be taken by OTM (other than Miata) Mazda sports
cars? Or, will this be a Miata-only event?

The 200 car limit will be Miata Only. Of course, you may see some club
volunteers running around in RX-7's...(Hey, can we help it that our current club
president has a convertible RX-7! ...we keep telling him he'll be making a
switch after the event!) Personally, we have one of each, and you may see me
running around in my '88 RX-7 convertible. Naah, I'll take the miata and let
Todd take the 7! ; )

Mrs. Terry Davis, Just one of the several instigators of the DC area event!

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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:30:00 -0500
From: Richard Sorrentino <rsorrent@...>
Organization: University of Western Ontario
To: Multiple recipients of list <miata@...>
Subject: [Miata] single vs. double lines (NMC)

My Miata Club members and I are having some disagreement as to the
meaning of a single line in the middle of the road vs. a double line in
the middle of the road. They think single lines are merely to save paint
and mean the same as a double line. That is, don't pass. I seem to
recall from my driver's training days (mind you that was more than 40
years ago) that if there is a single line, you can pass around an
obstacle as long as only the driver's-side tires cross the line. With a
double line, you cannot cross over the line at any time. Can someone
either confirm or tell me what the actual law states? I imagine it is
the same in Canada as the U.S., but I could be wrong here as well.
Richard and Saph 10AE (who went top-down yesterday for a great run)

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Message: 11
From: "Bob Hotaling" <bobhotaling@...>
To: "Richard Sorrentino" <rsorrent@...>, "Multiple recipients of list"
<miata@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] single vs. double lines (NMC)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:37:31 -0500
charset="iso-8859-1"

It may vary from state to state but I didn't think so... here you don't
cross a double solid line, nor a single solid line on your side of the road.
Just a single solid line? I see them approaching intersections and the like
here in Florida and it's a no cross.

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Sorrentino" <rsorrent@...>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <miata@...>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:30 AM
Subject: [Miata] single vs. double lines (NMC)

> My Miata Club members and I are having some disagreement as to the
> meaning of a single line in the middle of the road vs. a double line in
> the middle of the road. They think single lines are merely to save paint
> and mean the same as a double line. That is, don't pass. I seem to
> recall from my driver's training days (mind you that was more than 40
> years ago) that if there is a single line, you can pass around an
> obstacle as long as only the driver's-side tires cross the line. With a
> double line, you cannot cross over the line at any time. Can someone
> either confirm or tell me what the actual law states? I imagine it is
> the same in Canada as the U.S., but I could be wrong here as well.
> Richard and Saph 10AE (who went top-down yesterday for a great run)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> Miata@...
> http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:46:13 -0800
To: "Ken Cloud" <kec@...>
From: "Dennis B. Swaney" <romad@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Ripoff?
Cc: miata@..., chris_vtr@...

At the 2002 INTERNATIONAL Miata Event, http://ottawa2002.miata.net
the hotel is included in the price. While the D.C. event prices are
slightly cheaper, the hotels are extra and ONE night takes you over
Ottawa 2002's price.

I don't think people will go to TWO such events within 2 months; at
least those of us who live out west probably won't. Now if it had
been in California, Nevada, Arizona, etc., maybe.

See you in Ottawa!

Miataly,
Dennis
---
Dennis B. Swaney "I think, therefore I Mac"
Oroville, California TEAM USAF
Founding Member, S.A.M.O.A. Team Flyin' Miata
Team California License Plate Blue Team Valentine 1
('90 VIN: 7028)

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Message: 13
From: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
To: chris_vtr@..., miata@...
Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Ripoff?
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:51:43 -0800

And why are they limiting a NATIONAL event to only 200 cars? Hell we
had 200 cars in our Northwest Miatafest this past summer in Seattle!
BTW, I believe that event cost $5.

Nate

---- Original Message ----
From: chris_vtr@...
To: miata@...
Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Ripoff?
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 07:29:01 -0800 (PST)

>What da fuh? Granted, I've never been to one of these
>events, but WHY is it so freakin' expensive? I live in
>Arlington, VA only ten miles from DC and I can't see
>spending three hundred bucks or more for my girlfriend
>and I to go to this event. Does it cost anything (or
>less at least) for someone to just attend the event
>(rather than enter concours etc)?
>
>I want to do some of that stuff they list, but at
>those prices? Fuggedaboudit.
>
>Chris Weaver
>'01 LS
>
>
>--- miata-request@... wrote:
>Message: 22
>Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:50:59 -0800
>To: Miata E-mail List <miata@...>
>From: Mark Booth <mbooth@...>
>Subject: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Event
>http://www.mscw.com/Miata2002/
>
>
>
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Message: 14
Reply-To: berckums@...
From: <berck@...>
To: "Bob Hotaling" <bobhotaling@...>, "Richard Sorrentino"
<rsorrent@...>, "Multiple recipients of list" <miata@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] single vs. double lines (NMC)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:54:28 -0500

The reason for the single line vs a double line is so you don't get confused
about which side of the road you're on. Double lines mean that on the other
side, traffic is coming in the opposite direction, whereas single lines mean
that traffic is going in the same direction. The only exception to this I've
seen is that some cities use a double white line to separate an HOV lane from
the other lanes. (And don't get me started about the stupidness of the way
most cities do HOV lanes... They're so poorly executed, ESPECIALLY in
Dallas.. They actually seem okay in the Orlando area, but not at all
enforced. An HOV lane should be a typical lane into which one can only
change into with multiple occupants, and should only be HOV during rush
hour....)

Crossing a double line is usually a very bad idea. Crossing a single line,
while illegal, is something I do regularly. Typically they exist to seperate
slow moving traffic from fast moving traffic... If you don't mind getting on
the gas or brakes at a rate sufficient to match the speed of traffic accross
the line, it's not that big a deal.

The only legal form of passing accross a white line I can think of is the
following. There is a single white line marking the edge of the roadway with
a paved shoulder beyond it. It is a two lane road. Someone in front of you
is turning left. It is then legal to pass this person on the right, and
crossing a single line is okay, provided the roadway is paved. At least, I
know it's legal in Texas, where I learned to drive, not sure about most other
states.

As far as I know, we've got the only country where traffic laws, if followed
exactly, would surely result in an accident.

On Monday 19 November 2001 11:37, Bob Hotaling wrote:
> charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> It may vary from state to state but I didn't think so... here you don't
> cross a double solid line, nor a single solid line on your side of the
> road. Just a single solid line? I see them approaching intersections and
> the like here in Florida and it's a no cross.
>
> Bob
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Sorrentino" <rsorrent@...>
> To: "Multiple recipients of list" <miata@...>
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:30 AM
> Subject: [Miata] single vs. double lines (NMC)
>
> > My Miata Club members and I are having some disagreement as to the
> > meaning of a single line in the middle of the road vs. a double line in
> > the middle of the road. They think single lines are merely to save paint
> > and mean the same as a double line. That is, don't pass. I seem to
> > recall from my driver's training days (mind you that was more than 40
> > years ago) that if there is a single line, you can pass around an
> > obstacle as long as only the driver's-side tires cross the line. With a
> > double line, you cannot cross over the line at any time. Can someone
> > either confirm or tell me what the actual law states? I imagine it is
> > the same in Canada as the U.S., but I could be wrong here as well.
> > Richard and Saph 10AE (who went top-down yesterday for a great run)
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Miata mailing list
> > Miata@...
> > http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata

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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 08:57:20 -0800
To: "Theresa Davis" <TDavis@...>
From: Mark Booth <mbooth@...>
Subject: [Miata] RE: Miata National Miata Event (is not a) Ripoff
Cc: <Miata@...>

>At 11:23 AM -0500 11/19/01, Theresa Davis wrote:
>The 200 car limit will be Miata Only. Of course, you may see some
>club volunteers running around in RX-7's...(Hey, can we help it that
>our current club president has a convertible RX-7! ...we keep
>telling him he'll be making a switch after the event!) Personally,
>we have one of each, and you may see me running around in my '88
>RX-7 convertible. Naah, I'll take the miata and let Todd take the
>7! ; )

Thanks Theresa! It's nice to know that the first Miata Owners Club
sponsored event will be.. well.. a Miata only event! :)

It's also nice to see such a quick response to my question! I like
seeing a reasonable on-line presence from sponsoring clubs!

Wish Cathy and I could be there. Unfortunately, it's a bit too far
and, beyond that, Cathy and I have already committed to putting
together an SDMC event at the end of September... Miata Vacation
among the Giant Sequoias.

Have fun!

--
Mark Booth

2001 Classic Red LS w/6-speed

San Diego Miata Club
http://www.SanDiegoMiataClub.org

Miata Owners Club
http://www.miataownersclub.com

Team Voodoo Titanium
http://www.teamvoodoo.com

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Message: 16
From: "Bob Hotaling" <bobhotaling@...>
To: "Ken Cloud" <kec@...>, "Dennis B. Swaney" <romad@...>
Cc: <miata@...>, <chris_vtr@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Ripoff?
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:05:33 -0500
charset="iso-8859-1"

Awesome, Dennis...see you there...finally! :)

I think we are doing both but not sure. Admitedly, we try to go to venues
(places) we've not been to before regardless of what's going on. For
instance we passed on the Gap and National Jag thing at Franklin, TN, to do
the Porsche Rennsport Reunion at Lime Rock all the same
weekend...opps...wait, I grew up there! Well, you get the idea. :)

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis B. Swaney" <romad@...>
To: "Ken Cloud" <kec@...>
Cc: <miata@...>; <chris_vtr@...>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Ripoff?

> At the 2002 INTERNATIONAL Miata Event, http://ottawa2002.miata.net
> the hotel is included in the price. While the D.C. event prices are
> slightly cheaper, the hotels are extra and ONE night takes you over
> Ottawa 2002's price.
>
> I don't think people will go to TWO such events within 2 months; at
> least those of us who live out west probably won't. Now if it had
> been in California, Nevada, Arizona, etc., maybe.
>
> See you in Ottawa!
>
>
> Miataly,
> Dennis
> ---
> Dennis B. Swaney "I think, therefore I Mac"
> Oroville, California TEAM USAF
> Founding Member, S.A.M.O.A. Team Flyin' Miata
> Team California License Plate Blue Team Valentine 1
> ('90 VIN: 7028)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> Miata@...
> http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

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Message: 17
From: "Bob Hotaling" <bobhotaling@...>
To: "Theresa Davis" <TDavis@...>, "Mark Booth" <mbooth@...>
Cc: <Miata@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] RE: Miata National Miata Event (is not a) Ripoff
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:09:05 -0500
charset="iso-8859-1"

As you have mentioned this several times now, Mark, there is something that
I'm trying to pursue from a Leadership Council standpoint and that is
determining where the money for National and Regional events actually does
come from...is it Mazda or MOC? What's the MOC budget, etc. While
invisible at this point, they are issues that are important to know and
resolve if MOC is ever to become a semi- or full-stand alone car club.

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Booth" <mbooth@...>
To: "Theresa Davis" <TDavis@...>
Cc: <Miata@...>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:57 AM
Subject: [Miata] RE: Miata National Miata Event (is not a) Ripoff

> >At 11:23 AM -0500 11/19/01, Theresa Davis wrote:
> >The 200 car limit will be Miata Only. Of course, you may see some
> >club volunteers running around in RX-7's...(Hey, can we help it that
> >our current club president has a convertible RX-7! ...we keep
> >telling him he'll be making a switch after the event!) Personally,
> >we have one of each, and you may see me running around in my '88
> >RX-7 convertible. Naah, I'll take the miata and let Todd take the
> >7! ; )
>
>
> Thanks Theresa! It's nice to know that the first Miata Owners Club
> sponsored event will be.. well.. a Miata only event! :)
>
> It's also nice to see such a quick response to my question! I like
> seeing a reasonable on-line presence from sponsoring clubs!
>
> Wish Cathy and I could be there. Unfortunately, it's a bit too far
> and, beyond that, Cathy and I have already committed to putting
> together an SDMC event at the end of September... Miata Vacation
> among the Giant Sequoias.
>
> Have fun!
>
> --
> Mark Booth
>
> 2001 Classic Red LS w/6-speed
>
> San Diego Miata Club
> http://www.SanDiegoMiataClub.org
>
> Miata Owners Club
> http://www.miataownersclub.com
>
> Team Voodoo Titanium
> http://www.teamvoodoo.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> Miata@...
> http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:09:47 -0800
To: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
From: Mark Booth <mbooth@...>
Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
Cc: chris_vtr@..., miata@...

At 8:51 AM -0800 11/19/01, nramsey wrote:
>And why are they limiting a NATIONAL event to only 200 cars? Hell we
>had 200 cars in our Northwest Miatafest this past summer in Seattle!
>BTW, I believe that event cost $5.

Nate,

And what did they feed you, birdseed? :)

I'm sure you easily spent a hundred plus dollars on food while you
were there. Two completely different types of events.

--
Mark Booth

2001 Classic Red LS w/6-speed

San Diego Miata Club
http://www.SanDiegoMiataClub.org

Miata Owners Club
http://www.miataownersclub.com

Team Voodoo Titanium
http://www.teamvoodoo.com

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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:05:37 -0500
From: "Theresa Davis" <TDavis@...>
To: <Miata@...>
Subject: [Miata] Why only 200 Cars at the Miata 2002 National Event?

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We want to take you to a genuine Drive-In Movie theater ....even though our
cars are small...there are only so many of those little speakers!

Mrs. Terry Davis, Just one of the several instigators of the DC area event!

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Message: 20
From: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
To: mbooth@..., nramsey@...
Cc: chris_vtr@..., miata@...
Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:14:00 -0800

No, folks were responsible for buying their own food on site. Got a
nice hotdog and drink for $5 plus a strawberry lemonade for another
$2 or so. I fail to see how food can cost they $200 per person.
regardless of whether it's a couple days long. Hell I could have
several meals at the most expensive resaurant around for less than
$200.

Nate

---- Original Message ----
From: mbooth@...
To: nramsey@...
Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:09:47 -0800

>At 8:51 AM -0800 11/19/01, nramsey wrote:
>>And why are they limiting a NATIONAL event to only 200 cars? Hell
>we
>>had 200 cars in our Northwest Miatafest this past summer in Seattle!
>>BTW, I believe that event cost $5.
>
>Nate,
>
>And what did they feed you, birdseed? :)
>
>I'm sure you easily spent a hundred plus dollars on food while you
>were there. Two completely different types of events.
>
>--
>Mark Booth
>
>2001 Classic Red LS w/6-speed
>
>San Diego Miata Club
>http://www.SanDiegoMiataClub.org
>
>Miata Owners Club
>http://www.miataownersclub.com
>
>Team Voodoo Titanium
>http://www.teamvoodoo.com
>
>_______________________________________________
>Miata mailing list
>Miata@...
>http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:18:59 -0800
To: "Bob Hotaling" <bobhotaling@...>
From: Mark Booth <mbooth@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] RE: Miata National Miata Event (is not a) Ripoff
Cc: Miata@...

At 12:09 PM -0500 11/19/01, Bob Hotaling wrote:
>As you have mentioned this several times now, Mark, there is something that
>I'm trying to pursue from a Leadership Council standpoint and that is
>determining where the money for National and Regional events actually does
>come from...is it Mazda or MOC? What's the MOC budget, etc. While
>invisible at this point, they are issues that are important to know and
>resolve if MOC is ever to become a semi- or full-stand alone car club.

Bob,

Try as I might, I can't find any reference to funding or Mazda vs.
MOC money in my messages? So, how is it that I've "mentioned this
several times now"?

I simply wanted to know if the the event would be Miata-only or not.
Theresa answered that question very nicely (thank you!).

If you wish to continue your quest to unmask the realities of Miata
club funding, have at it. But, just please don't imply that I have a
similar quest. I don't.

--
Mark Booth

2001 Classic Red LS w/6-speed

San Diego Miata Club
http://www.SanDiegoMiataClub.org

Miata Owners Club
http://www.miataownersclub.com

Team Voodoo Titanium
http://www.teamvoodoo.com

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Message: 22
From: "Bob Hotaling" <bobhotaling@...>
To: "Ken Cloud" <kec@...>, "Dennis B. Swaney" <romad@...>
Cc: <miata@...>, <chris_vtr@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Ripoff?
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:16:37 -0500
charset="iso-8859-1"

As much as I'm looking forward to Ottawa, I'm not sure that's a fair
comparison. Totally different venues and activites are planned over diff
time spans. I like both! :)

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis B. Swaney" <romad@...>
To: "Ken Cloud" <kec@...>
Cc: <miata@...>; <chris_vtr@...>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Ripoff?

> At the 2002 INTERNATIONAL Miata Event, http://ottawa2002.miata.net
> the hotel is included in the price. While the D.C. event prices are
> slightly cheaper, the hotels are extra and ONE night takes you over
> Ottawa 2002's price.
>
> I don't think people will go to TWO such events within 2 months; at
> least those of us who live out west probably won't. Now if it had
> been in California, Nevada, Arizona, etc., maybe.
>
> See you in Ottawa!
>
>
> Miataly,
> Dennis
> ---
> Dennis B. Swaney "I think, therefore I Mac"
> Oroville, California TEAM USAF
> Founding Member, S.A.M.O.A. Team Flyin' Miata
> Team California License Plate Blue Team Valentine 1
> ('90 VIN: 7028)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> Miata@...
> http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:26:51 -0800
To: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
From: Mark Booth <mbooth@...>
Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
Cc: miata@...

At 9:14 AM -0800 11/19/01, nramsey wrote:
>No, folks were responsible for buying their own food on site. Got a
>nice hotdog and drink for $5 plus a strawberry lemonade for another
>$2 or so. I fail to see how food can cost they $200 per person.
>regardless of whether it's a couple days long. Hell I could have
>several meals at the most expensive resaurant around for less than
>$200.

Nate,

Believe it or not, there are folks that would rather NOT eat a diet
consisting of hot dogs and lemonade. :)

As I said, two completely different types of events. This one
obviously isn't to your liking so just wait around for the one that
is.

Or, perhaps you can throw one together and center it around the local
Wienerschnitzel? <just kidding> :) (Though, hot laps 'round and
'round through the drive-up might be fun!) :)

--
Mark Booth

2001 Classic Red LS w/6-speed

San Diego Miata Club
http://www.SanDiegoMiataClub.org

Miata Owners Club
http://www.miataownersclub.com

Team Voodoo Titanium
http://www.teamvoodoo.com

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Message: 24
From: "Bob Hotaling" <bobhotaling@...>
To: "Mark Booth" <mbooth@...>
Cc: <Miata@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] RE: Miata National Miata Event (is not a) Ripoff
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:28:22 -0500
charset="iso-8859-1"

You've said "first MOC sponsored National" or something like that....

I certainly made it clear that I have the interest in determining the
budgets, etc as a Leadership Council member. ... not you.

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Booth" <mbooth@...>
To: "Bob Hotaling" <bobhotaling@...>
Cc: <Miata@...>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] RE: Miata National Miata Event (is not a) Ripoff

> At 12:09 PM -0500 11/19/01, Bob Hotaling wrote:
> >As you have mentioned this several times now, Mark, there is something
that
> >I'm trying to pursue from a Leadership Council standpoint and that is
> >determining where the money for National and Regional events actually
does
> >come from...is it Mazda or MOC? What's the MOC budget, etc. While
> >invisible at this point, they are issues that are important to know and
> >resolve if MOC is ever to become a semi- or full-stand alone car club.
>
>
> Bob,
>
> Try as I might, I can't find any reference to funding or Mazda vs.
> MOC money in my messages? So, how is it that I've "mentioned this
> several times now"?
>
> I simply wanted to know if the the event would be Miata-only or not.
> Theresa answered that question very nicely (thank you!).
>
> If you wish to continue your quest to unmask the realities of Miata
> club funding, have at it. But, just please don't imply that I have a
> similar quest. I don't.
>
> --
> Mark Booth
>
> 2001 Classic Red LS w/6-speed
>
> San Diego Miata Club
> http://www.SanDiegoMiataClub.org
>
> Miata Owners Club
> http://www.miataownersclub.com
>
> Team Voodoo Titanium
> http://www.teamvoodoo.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> Miata@...
> http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

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Message: 25
From: "Bob Hotaling" <bobhotaling@...>
To: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
Cc: <chris_vtr@...>, <miata@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:32:15 -0500
charset="iso-8859-1"

HEY! Lighten up! :)

For what it's worth, MOC/MAZDA has a pretty formal outline that must be met
by any orgainzation wanting to sponsor a National event and it's there to
ensure quality, quantity, and to be sure attendee expectations are
fullfilled.

If you have a problem with how the DC gang is going about their business,
perhaps the best way to address the issue is to take the MOC Questionaire
found at the URL below and express your concerns specifically to those who
are and will in the foreseeable future be deciding what constitutes a
National, a Regional...and who gets the very limited $$$ support available
from a club with only 13,800 members. In the meantime, kudos to the DC
gang for all their hard work to date and hours of fun yet to come!

http://www.miataownersclub.com/survey/profile1.asp

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
To: <mbooth@...>; <nramsey@...>
Cc: <chris_vtr@...>; <miata@...>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:14 PM
Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff

> No, folks were responsible for buying their own food on site. Got a
> nice hotdog and drink for $5 plus a strawberry lemonade for another
> $2 or so. I fail to see how food can cost they $200 per person.
> regardless of whether it's a couple days long. Hell I could have
> several meals at the most expensive resaurant around for less than
> $200.
>
> Nate
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: mbooth@...
> To: nramsey@...
> Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:09:47 -0800
>
> >At 8:51 AM -0800 11/19/01, nramsey wrote:
> >>And why are they limiting a NATIONAL event to only 200 cars? Hell
> >we
> >>had 200 cars in our Northwest Miatafest this past summer in Seattle!
> >>BTW, I believe that event cost $5.
> >
> >Nate,
> >
> >And what did they feed you, birdseed? :)
> >
> >I'm sure you easily spent a hundred plus dollars on food while you
> >were there. Two completely different types of events.
> >
> >--
> >Mark Booth
> >
> >2001 Classic Red LS w/6-speed
> >
> >San Diego Miata Club
> >http://www.SanDiegoMiataClub.org
> >
> >Miata Owners Club
> >http://www.miataownersclub.com
> >
> >Team Voodoo Titanium
> >http://www.teamvoodoo.com
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Miata mailing list
> >Miata@...
> >http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> Miata@...
> http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

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Message: 26
From: "Bob Hotaling" <bobhotaling@...>
To: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
Cc: <chris_vtr@...>, <miata@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:46:50 -0500
charset="iso-8859-1"

As I mentioned in an earlier post, if you have a problem, perhaps it's best
addressed at the following URL. It will get counted and taken into
consideration for any future events sponsored by MOC/Mazda I'm certain.

http://www.miataownersclub.com/survey/profile1.asp

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
To: <bobhotaling@...>
Cc: <chris_vtr@...>; <miata@...>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff

> I am not saying they are doing a poor job at all, I have no knowledge
> of how good a job they are doing. I can kinda see the money
> situation (though I still think its a bit high) but I am quite
> shocked as to the 200 car limit. Has there been a limit at past
> National events?
>
> Nate
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: bobhotaling@...
> To: nramsey@...
> Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:32:15 -0500
>
> >HEY! Lighten up! :)
> >
> >For what it's worth, MOC/MAZDA has a pretty formal outline that must
> >be met
> >by any orgainzation wanting to sponsor a National event and it's
> >there to
> >ensure quality, quantity, and to be sure attendee expectations are
> >fullfilled.
> >
> >If you have a problem with how the DC gang is going about their
> >business,
> >perhaps the best way to address the issue is to take the MOC
> >Questionaire
> >found at the URL below and express your concerns specifically to
> >those who
> >are and will in the foreseeable future be deciding what constitutes a
> >National, a Regional...and who gets the very limited $$$ support
> >available
> >from a club with only 13,800 members. In the meantime, kudos to
> >the DC
> >gang for all their hard work to date and hours of fun yet to come!
> >
> >http://www.miataownersclub.com/survey/profile1.asp
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
> >To: <mbooth@...>; <nramsey@...>
> >Cc: <chris_vtr@...>; <miata@...>
> >Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:14 PM
> >Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
> >
> >
> >> No, folks were responsible for buying their own food on site. Got
> >a
> >> nice hotdog and drink for $5 plus a strawberry lemonade for another
> >> $2 or so. I fail to see how food can cost they $200 per person.
> >> regardless of whether it's a couple days long. Hell I could have
> >> several meals at the most expensive resaurant around for less than
> >> $200.
> >>
> >> Nate
> >>
> >> ---- Original Message ----
> >> From: mbooth@...
> >> To: nramsey@...
> >> Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
> >> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:09:47 -0800
> >>
> >> >At 8:51 AM -0800 11/19/01, nramsey wrote:
> >> >>And why are they limiting a NATIONAL event to only 200 cars?
> >Hell
> >> >we
> >> >>had 200 cars in our Northwest Miatafest this past summer in
> >Seattle!
> >> >>BTW, I believe that event cost $5.
> >> >
> >> >Nate,
> >> >
> >> >And what did they feed you, birdseed? :)
> >> >
> >> >I'm sure you easily spent a hundred plus dollars on food while you
> >> >were there. Two completely different types of events.
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >Mark Booth
> >> >
> >> >2001 Classic Red LS w/6-speed
> >> >
> >> >San Diego Miata Club
> >> >http://www.SanDiegoMiataClub.org
> >> >
> >> >Miata Owners Club
> >> >http://www.miataownersclub.com
> >> >
> >> >Team Voodoo Titanium
> >> >http://www.teamvoodoo.com
> >> >
> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >Miata mailing list
> >> >Miata@...
> >> >http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> >> >
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Miata mailing list
> >> Miata@...
> >> http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

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Message: 27
From: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
To: bobhotaling@...
Cc: chris_vtr@..., miata@...
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:50:36 -0800

Already filled it out this weekend when you posted to the forum Bob :)

Nate

---- Original Message ----
From: bobhotaling@...
To: nramsey@...
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:46:50 -0500

>As I mentioned in an earlier post, if you have a problem, perhaps
>it's best
>addressed at the following URL. It will get counted and taken into
>consideration for any future events sponsored by MOC/Mazda I'm
>certain.
>
>http://www.miataownersclub.com/survey/profile1.asp
>
>Bob
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
>To: <bobhotaling@...>
>Cc: <chris_vtr@...>; <miata@...>
>Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:40 PM
>Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
>
>
>> I am not saying they are doing a poor job at all, I have no
>knowledge
>> of how good a job they are doing. I can kinda see the money
>> situation (though I still think its a bit high) but I am quite
>> shocked as to the 200 car limit. Has there been a limit at past
>> National events?
>>
>> Nate
>>
>> ---- Original Message ----
>> From: bobhotaling@...
>> To: nramsey@...
>> Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
>> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:32:15 -0500
>>
>> >HEY! Lighten up! :)
>> >
>> >For what it's worth, MOC/MAZDA has a pretty formal outline that
>must
>> >be met
>> >by any orgainzation wanting to sponsor a National event and it's
>> >there to
>> >ensure quality, quantity, and to be sure attendee expectations are
>> >fullfilled.
>> >
>> >If you have a problem with how the DC gang is going about their
>> >business,
>> >perhaps the best way to address the issue is to take the MOC
>> >Questionaire
>> >found at the URL below and express your concerns specifically to
>> >those who
>> >are and will in the foreseeable future be deciding what
>constitutes a
>> >National, a Regional...and who gets the very limited $$$ support
>> >available
>> >from a club with only 13,800 members. In the meantime, kudos to
>> >the DC
>> >gang for all their hard work to date and hours of fun yet to come!
>> >
>> >http://www.miataownersclub.com/survey/profile1.asp
>> >
>> >Bob
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
>> >To: <mbooth@...>; <nramsey@...>
>> >Cc: <chris_vtr@...>; <miata@...>
>> >Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:14 PM
>> >Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
>> >
>> >
>> >> No, folks were responsible for buying their own food on site.
>Got
>> >a
>> >> nice hotdog and drink for $5 plus a strawberry lemonade for
>another
>> >> $2 or so. I fail to see how food can cost they $200 per person.
>> >> regardless of whether it's a couple days long. Hell I could
>have
>> >> several meals at the most expensive resaurant around for less
>than
>> >> $200.
>> >>
>> >> Nate
>> >>
>> >> ---- Original Message ----
>> >> From: mbooth@...
>> >> To: nramsey@...
>> >> Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
>> >> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:09:47 -0800
>> >>
>> >> >At 8:51 AM -0800 11/19/01, nramsey wrote:
>> >> >>And why are they limiting a NATIONAL event to only 200 cars?
>> >Hell
>> >> >we
>> >> >>had 200 cars in our Northwest Miatafest this past summer in
>> >Seattle!
>> >> >>BTW, I believe that event cost $5.
>> >> >
>> >> >Nate,
>> >> >
>> >> >And what did they feed you, birdseed? :)
>> >> >
>> >> >I'm sure you easily spent a hundred plus dollars on food while
>you
>> >> >were there. Two completely different types of events.
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >Mark Booth
>> >> >
>> >> >2001 Classic Red LS w/6-speed
>> >> >
>> >> >San Diego Miata Club
>> >> >http://www.SanDiegoMiataClub.org
>> >> >
>> >> >Miata Owners Club
>> >> >http://www.miataownersclub.com
>> >> >
>> >> >Team Voodoo Titanium
>> >> >http://www.teamvoodoo.com
>> >> >
>> >> >_______________________________________________
>> >> >Miata mailing list
>> >> >Miata@...
>> >> >http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Miata mailing list
>> >> Miata@...
>> >> http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

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Message: 28
From: "Jon Etkins" <eccles@...>
To: "miata@..." <miata@...>
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:50:59 -0600
Reply-To: "Jon Etkins" <eccles@...>
Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff

Just my 2c-worth, but no matter how much an event costs, it will always be
too expensive for someone. It's up to the individual to decide whether
it's worthwhile to him or her.

We're about to head to Texas World Speedway for a DE event this weekend.
Does our $250/person cover accommodation? No. Food? Nope. Is it "good
value"? Debatable. Do we care? Hell no!

Cheers,
Jon Etkins
Miata 10AE #1407 BS38 "BLU TOY" (His)
'95 M Edition TBS88 "KITJER" (Hers)
Texas Spokes & Tejas Miata clubs

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Message: 29
From: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
To: bobhotaling@...
Cc: chris_vtr@..., miata@...
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:40:49 -0800

I am not saying they are doing a poor job at all, I have no knowledge
of how good a job they are doing. I can kinda see the money
situation (though I still think its a bit high) but I am quite
shocked as to the 200 car limit. Has there been a limit at past
National events?

Nate

---- Original Message ----
From: bobhotaling@...
To: nramsey@...
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:32:15 -0500

>HEY! Lighten up! :)
>
>For what it's worth, MOC/MAZDA has a pretty formal outline that must
>be met
>by any orgainzation wanting to sponsor a National event and it's
>there to
>ensure quality, quantity, and to be sure attendee expectations are
>fullfilled.
>
>If you have a problem with how the DC gang is going about their
>business,
>perhaps the best way to address the issue is to take the MOC
>Questionaire
>found at the URL below and express your concerns specifically to
>those who
>are and will in the foreseeable future be deciding what constitutes a
>National, a Regional...and who gets the very limited $$$ support
>available
>from a club with only 13,800 members. In the meantime, kudos to
>the DC
>gang for all their hard work to date and hours of fun yet to come!
>
>http://www.miataownersclub.com/survey/profile1.asp
>
>Bob
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
>To: <mbooth@...>; <nramsey@...>
>Cc: <chris_vtr@...>; <miata@...>
>Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:14 PM
>Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
>
>
>> No, folks were responsible for buying their own food on site. Got
>a
>> nice hotdog and drink for $5 plus a strawberry lemonade for another
>> $2 or so. I fail to see how food can cost they $200 per person.
>> regardless of whether it's a couple days long. Hell I could have
>> several meals at the most expensive resaurant around for less than
>> $200.
>>
>> Nate
>>
>> ---- Original Message ----
>> From: mbooth@...
>> To: nramsey@...
>> Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
>> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:09:47 -0800
>>
>> >At 8:51 AM -0800 11/19/01, nramsey wrote:
>> >>And why are they limiting a NATIONAL event to only 200 cars?
>Hell
>> >we
>> >>had 200 cars in our Northwest Miatafest this past summer in
>Seattle!
>> >>BTW, I believe that event cost $5.
>> >
>> >Nate,
>> >
>> >And what did they feed you, birdseed? :)
>> >
>> >I'm sure you easily spent a hundred plus dollars on food while you
>> >were there. Two completely different types of events.
>> >
>> >--
>> >Mark Booth
>> >
>> >2001 Classic Red LS w/6-speed
>> >
>> >San Diego Miata Club
>> >http://www.SanDiegoMiataClub.org
>> >
>> >Miata Owners Club
>> >http://www.miataownersclub.com
>> >
>> >Team Voodoo Titanium
>> >http://www.teamvoodoo.com
>> >
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >Miata mailing list
>> >Miata@...
>> >http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Miata mailing list
>> Miata@...
>> http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>>
>
>

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Message: 30
From: "Bob Hotaling" <bobhotaling@...>
To: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
Cc: <chris_vtr@...>, <miata@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:55:12 -0500
charset="iso-8859-1"

Good on ya, Nate. I hope everyone takes advantage of this feedback
feature...not just on Nationals but on MOC and where you'd like to see it
go.

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
To: <bobhotaling@...>
Cc: <chris_vtr@...>; <miata@...>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff

> Already filled it out this weekend when you posted to the forum Bob :)
>
> Nate
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: bobhotaling@...
> To: nramsey@...
> Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:46:50 -0500
>
> >As I mentioned in an earlier post, if you have a problem, perhaps
> >it's best
> >addressed at the following URL. It will get counted and taken into
> >consideration for any future events sponsored by MOC/Mazda I'm
> >certain.
> >
> >http://www.miataownersclub.com/survey/profile1.asp
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
> >To: <bobhotaling@...>
> >Cc: <chris_vtr@...>; <miata@...>
> >Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:40 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
> >
> >
> >> I am not saying they are doing a poor job at all, I have no
> >knowledge
> >> of how good a job they are doing. I can kinda see the money
> >> situation (though I still think its a bit high) but I am quite
> >> shocked as to the 200 car limit. Has there been a limit at past
> >> National events?
> >>
> >> Nate
> >>
> >> ---- Original Message ----
> >> From: bobhotaling@...
> >> To: nramsey@...
> >> Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
> >> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:32:15 -0500
> >>
> >> >HEY! Lighten up! :)
> >> >
> >> >For what it's worth, MOC/MAZDA has a pretty formal outline that
> >must
> >> >be met
> >> >by any orgainzation wanting to sponsor a National event and it's
> >> >there to
> >> >ensure quality, quantity, and to be sure attendee expectations are
> >> >fullfilled.
> >> >
> >> >If you have a problem with how the DC gang is going about their
> >> >business,
> >> >perhaps the best way to address the issue is to take the MOC
> >> >Questionaire
> >> >found at the URL below and express your concerns specifically to
> >> >those who
> >> >are and will in the foreseeable future be deciding what
> >constitutes a
> >> >National, a Regional...and who gets the very limited $$$ support
> >> >available
> >> >from a club with only 13,800 members. In the meantime, kudos to
> >> >the DC
> >> >gang for all their hard work to date and hours of fun yet to come!
> >> >
> >> >http://www.miataownersclub.com/survey/profile1.asp
> >> >
> >> >Bob
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
> >> >To: <mbooth@...>; <nramsey@...>
> >> >Cc: <chris_vtr@...>; <miata@...>
> >> >Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:14 PM
> >> >Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> No, folks were responsible for buying their own food on site.
> >Got
> >> >a
> >> >> nice hotdog and drink for $5 plus a strawberry lemonade for
> >another
> >> >> $2 or so. I fail to see how food can cost they $200 per person.
> >> >> regardless of whether it's a couple days long. Hell I could
> >have
> >> >> several meals at the most expensive resaurant around for less
> >than
> >> >> $200.
> >> >>
> >> >> Nate
> >> >>
> >> >> ---- Original Message ----
> >> >> From: mbooth@...
> >> >> To: nramsey@...
> >> >> Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
> >> >> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:09:47 -0800
> >> >>
> >> >> >At 8:51 AM -0800 11/19/01, nramsey wrote:
> >> >> >>And why are they limiting a NATIONAL event to only 200 cars?
> >> >Hell
> >> >> >we
> >> >> >>had 200 cars in our Northwest Miatafest this past summer in
> >> >Seattle!
> >> >> >>BTW, I believe that event cost $5.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Nate,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >And what did they feed you, birdseed? :)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I'm sure you easily spent a hundred plus dollars on food while
> >you
> >> >> >were there. Two completely different types of events.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >--
> >> >> >Mark Booth
> >> >> >
> >> >> >2001 Classic Red LS w/6-speed
> >> >> >
> >> >> >San Diego Miata Club
> >> >> >http://www.SanDiegoMiataClub.org
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Miata Owners Club
> >> >> >http://www.miataownersclub.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Team Voodoo Titanium
> >> >> >http://www.teamvoodoo.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >> >Miata mailing list
> >> >> >Miata@...
> >> >> >http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Miata mailing list
> >> >> Miata@...
> >> >> http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

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Message: 31
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:00:57 -0500
To: miata@...
From: billkille <billkille@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Ripoff?

>I want to do some of that stuff they list, but at
>those prices? Fuggedaboudit.

Someone clue this guy in..... Must be some of you on this list that have been
involved in the planning of a prior national event. Howabout someone from the
D.C. club invite this guy to join up and get an inside look at the costs,
logistics and volunteer work involved to plan a good time for 200 Miata
families.

It's probably a pretty good bang for the buck!

Bill Kille, Chestertown, Md. , U.S.A.
93, Tangier Orange, "The Slut"
Teams: DelVal & PACE
Md. Tag: DELVAL

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Message: 32
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:03:10 -0500
From: "Theresa Davis" <TDavis@...>
To: <nramsey@...>
Cc: <Miata@...>
Subject: [Miata] 200 Car limit at National event

[this was a MIME-encoded message - it has been]
[filtered of non-plaintext attachments by ALF ]

Yes, there have been limits on past events,
To name a few:

Toronto 1996 had the advantage of having 3 hotels, but I'm sure there was a
limit as to how many people they could put on the nice dinner boat we cruised
the lake to see the fireworks on July 4th.

Miata Mountain Madness in the Poconos had a limit because the resort they used
was just that, a mountain resort, beautiful, close to the racetrack, and
reasonably priced. I don't remember what that limit was, but I think it was
around 200/250 cars.

2002 Take the Scenic Route has a limit...we are using a local drive-in movie
theater as one of our dinner venues, it has a limit, as well as the banquet hall
in our hotel.

We do think you'll have a great time if you join us.
Hope this is helpful.
Terry Davis
MSCW

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Message: 33
From: "Kai Staemmler" <kaistaemm@...>
To: <miata@...>, "billkille" <billkille@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Ripoff?
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 19:07:09 +0100
charset="iso-8859-1"

please help me and visit my website, its in german, but with your visit u
help me
-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: "billkille" <billkille@...>
An: <miata@...>
Gesendet: Montag, 19. November 2001 19:00
Betreff: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Ripoff?

>
> >I want to do some of that stuff they list, but at
> >those prices? Fuggedaboudit.
>
> Someone clue this guy in..... Must be some of you on this list that have
been
> involved in the planning of a prior national event. Howabout someone from
the D.C. club invite this guy to join up and get an inside look at the
costs, logistics and volunteer work involved to plan a good time for 200
Miata families.
>
> It's probably a pretty good bang for the buck!
>
>
> Bill Kille, Chestertown, Md. , U.S.A.
> 93, Tangier Orange, "The Slut"
> Teams: DelVal & PACE
> Md. Tag: DELVAL
>
>
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Message: 34
From: Bill Cardell <bill@...>
To: 'Patrick Manning' <p.manning@...>, Miata List <miata@...>
Subject: RE: [Miata] Temperature gauge non-linearity (FWIW)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 11:15:42 -0700

The stock temp gauge reads in the middle from about 70C to 102C. It climbs
rapidly after that. I suspect you're right about the reason Mazda killed the
real oil pressure gauge. It has historically been a common question on this
list, "Why does my gauge start high, then drop? Why does my gauge go up and
down with rpm?".

Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
bill@...
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
http://flyinmiata.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Manning [mailto:p.manning@...]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 9:15 AM
To: Miata List
Subject: [Miata] Temperature gauge non-linearity (FWIW)

Hi All--

I seem to recall a discussion a short time ago about the fact that the
Miat's temperature gauge seems to have a 'flat spot' in the vicinity of the
normal operating temperature range, and just found this little tid-bit on
the Keystone Thermometrics page while researching a part for work. This
certainly seems to support what people have seen, and it is evidently an
intentional design characteristic of the gauge.

Personally, I'd much prefer to know the actual temperature and make my
judgements regarding the health of the cooling system from that, but I
suppose from the automaker's point of view most people out there are not of
our ilk and would get upset if they saw the gauge moving too much and
probably make a nuiscance of themselves at the service department. (It's my
guess that this might also be _partially_ to blame for the demise of the
real OPG on the '95 cars, too- I'd be willing to bet that a lot of folks
unfamiliar with the behavior of oil pressure in an engine [higher when cold,
lower when warm, tracking engine speed, etc...] got flipped out and cost
service departments time and aggravation.)

FWIW, thermistors are temperature-dependent resistors, their value changes
with changing temp. NTC means negative temperature coefficient and PTC
means positive temperature coefficient. The resistance of an NTC thermistor
drops as temperature goes up, the resistance of a PTC device goes up with
increasing temperature. NTC devices are usually relatively linear over a
wide range of temps, while PTC ones typically react in a fairly small temp
range. From the following description, it sounds like this composite one
steadily decreases in resistance as it heats, then in the normal operating
range levels off, then drops again as temp exceeds the normal range.
(resistance on the vertical axis, temp on the horizontal. The flat spot is
the normal operating range) (Bad ASCII graph, view in fixed-pitch font)

R| \
e| \
s| \
i| \
s| \___
t| \
a| \
n| \
c| \
e|_____________\__
Temperature

From the Keystone Thermometrics page:

(http://www.thermometrics.com/htmldocs/whatis.htm)

'The unique patented design Composite Thermistor contains 2 NTC and 1 PTC
thermistors and has a resistance temperature characteristic similar to a
single NTC but with a region of constant resistance.

Designed for driving automotive coolant temperature gauges, the composite
sensor resistance is virtually constant over a specified range, which
results in a steady centre dial gauge reading during normal engine
operation. Hot and cold zone sensitivity are retained, so that motorists are
warned of abnormal conditions. With careful selection of the plateau region,
the same type of device can be used in a wide variety of operation systems,
so that the production economics are compatible with the requirements of our
automotive customers.'

BR

Pat

'96 B&T
Nutmeg Miata, CT

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Message: 35
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:27:17 -0500
From: "Theresa Davis" <TDavis@...>
To: <Miata@...>
Cc: <miata2002@...>
Subject: [Miata] Miata 2002

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Ok,
Enough is enough. Members of the MSCW Event Team have been around for awhile.
Collectively, we've been attending Miata Events since 1995. We've enjoyed each
and every event. About a year and � ago, we started talking about sponsoring
one. We've been working for that long to figure out what we could do, and how
to do it. What we liked about past events, even what we didn't like. We think
you'll enjoy the event we are putting together. There are questions on the
registration form as to your interests. The only way to influence final outcome
of the agenda is by registering.
Hope to see you there.
Terry & Todd Davis
Take The Scenic Route Event Team

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Message: 36
From: "Nora Hague" <nora@...>
To: <miata@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Ripoff?
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:36:06 -0500
charset="iso-8859-1"

My feeling exactly, about the Ottawa event. However, it's easy to see that
all that organization and involvement of commercial enterprises would
involve $$$. Also the accomodation part would have to be there for people
coming long distances to attend.

Since I'm only 2 hours away from Ottawa (or less depending :D ) there's no
way I would pay for expensive accomodation, and I would think twice about
pricy meals.

I figger I'll just visit Ottawa for a day or two and hang out around the
edges, enjoying the sight of a mob of Miatas.

Nora (imagine a Canadian flag here)
========================
and the Rollerskate
(imagine a '99 shiny clean waxed silver Miata here)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Weaver" <chris_vtr@...>
To: <miata@...>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 10:29 AM
Subject: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Ripoff?

> What da fuh? Granted, I've never been to one of these
> events, but WHY is it so freakin' expensive? I live in
> Arlington, VA only ten miles from DC and I can't see
> spending three hundred bucks or more for my girlfriend
> and I to go to this event. Does it cost anything (or
> less at least) for someone to just attend the event
> (rather than enter concours etc)?
>
> I want to do some of that stuff they list, but at
> those prices? Fuggedaboudit.
>
> Chris Weaver
> '01 LS
>
>
> --- miata-request@... wrote:
> Message: 22
> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:50:59 -0800
> To: Miata E-mail List <miata@...>
> From: Mark Booth <mbooth@...>
> Subject: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Event
> http://www.mscw.com/Miata2002/
>
>
>
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Message: 37
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:42:41 -0600
To: miata@...
From: Bill Kellenberger <bkellenb@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
Cc: <chris_vtr@...>, <miata@...>

It seems like everytime some club announces a national event, some
controversy starts. If it's not the price, it's whether children are
welcome, or the cost to vendors, or the number of attendees. We've
attended both Indy events, Pocono, Dallas and Daytona Beach. This year
we're going to Ottawa.

We've enjoyed all the nationals...they've all been different in some
ways...and we've enjoyed some more than others. Actually, some of the
smaller ones were more fun (for us, at least). We decided to go to Ottawa
before the Washington event was announced...and since it fits in with the
rest of our summer plans, we're going to stick with it. If there was not
an event in Ottawa, would we have gone to the Washington event...who
knows??????

Take a look at what is being offered...see how it fits into your plans (and
pocketbooks) and if you choose to go to either/both, I'm sure you'll have a
good time (unless you go with the intent of seeing why it wasn't worth the
money). If neither one suits your fancy...well...there's always next year
and lots of other events around that may meet your needs.

Bill Kellenberger & Dino
'90 Red MO plate="R-4RE"
Gateway Miata Club (St. Louis)
http://www.geocities.com/gatewaymiata (club)
http://members.fortunecity.com/kberger1(personal)

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Message: 38
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:42:41 -0600
To: miata@...
From: Bill Kellenberger <bkellenb@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
Cc: <chris_vtr@...>, <miata@...>

It seems like everytime some club announces a national event, some
controversy starts. If it's not the price, it's whether children are
welcome, or the cost to vendors, or the number of attendees. We've
attended both Indy events, Pocono, Dallas and Daytona Beach. This year
we're going to Ottawa.

We've enjoyed all the nationals...they've all been different in some
ways...and we've enjoyed some more than others. Actually, some of the
smaller ones were more fun (for us, at least). We decided to go to Ottawa
before the Washington event was announced...and since it fits in with the
rest of our summer plans, we're going to stick with it. If there was not
an event in Ottawa, would we have gone to the Washington event...who
knows??????

Take a look at what is being offered...see how it fits into your plans (and
pocketbooks) and if you choose to go to either/both, I'm sure you'll have a
good time (unless you go with the intent of seeing why it wasn't worth the
money). If neither one suits your fancy...well...there's always next year
and lots of other events around that may meet your needs.

Bill Kellenberger & Dino
'90 Red MO plate="R-4RE"
Gateway Miata Club (St. Louis)
http://www.geocities.com/gatewaymiata (club)
http://members.fortunecity.com/kberger1(personal)

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Message: 39
From: "Jon Etkins" <eccles@...>
To: "Da Big List" <miata@...>
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:57:29 -0600
Reply-To: "Jon Etkins" <eccles@...>
Subject: [Miata] Grabbing first (and grabbing second)

In the middle of my fourth run at yesterday's autocross, I shifted from
second gear to third, but grabbed first instead. My mistake was
immediately made apparent by the engine bouncing off the limiter and the
rear end locking up under compression braking. Although this was the first
time I had EVER misshifted like that in 20+ years of competition driving, I
immediately recognized the problem and punched the clutch again while I
caught the spin, gathered my thoughts, selected the right gear and drove
through the rest of the course.

The Blue Toy doesn't appear to be any the worse for the experience. I was
pissed at myself for making such a silly mistake, but more so for throwing
away what had started out as an absolute blinder of a run, and was also my
last run of the day.

So I wound up coming second for the day, behind one of our CP drivers who
was rent-a-racing my car because his dinosaur is under the knife.

But I beat Kyung An, our resident two-time National BSL champion, which
gave me second place in our BS championship for the year behind Kyung but
ahead of my closest rival with whom I've been tussling throughout the year.
Next year I'm gonna have to get some Hoosiers and Konis and give Kyung a
real run for the class. :D

Cheers,
Jon Etkins
Miata 10AE #1407 BS38 "BLU TOY" (His)
'95 M Edition TBS88 "KITJER" (Hers)
Texas Spokes & Tejas Miata clubs

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Message: 40
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:22:08 -0700
From: "Himansu Yapa" <r47856@...>
Organization: Motorola Semiconductor Products Sector
To: miata@...
Subject: [Miata] Gauges

I was looking for some Air/Fuel, Vac/Boost and Exhaust temp gauges,
anyone know where I can buy them for a reasonable price? I went to
autometer.com, I really like there stuff, but is there a vendor that
sell that for a little cheaper?

Thanx in Advance,
Hima

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Message: 41
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:36:20 -0700
To: Richard Sorrentino <rsorrent@...>, Multiple recipients of list
<miata@...>
From: Keith Tanner <keith@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] single vs. double lines (NMC)

In Ontario, you are allowed to cross a double or single line if it is safe
to pass. Of course, double solid lines are usually there to indicate a lack
of sightlines, but you're legal to cross if you can perform an overtaking
manouver safely.

Keith

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Message: 42
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:33:50 -0700
To: "miata-list.miata.net" <miata@...>
From: Keith Tanner <keith@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff

Every time a big event is announced, the price is a bg problem. But then
each event has also been trying to outdo the previous in size (big venues
cost big money) and general glitz.

The Ottawa event (http://ottawa2002.miata.net) is not a good comparison for
costs. It's a roving event that doesn't require a big venue. No track. No
vendor hall. It's got a different bias and it's got the advantage of a
cheap Canadian dollar. But after doing the sums on the Ottawa event - as
the organizer - I can see how a track-based event with an exhibition hall
can easily get expensive quickly.

There has been a limit on every single event. In fact, I seem to recall
that the Pocono event was sold out very quickly. The Ottawa event is
limited by the seating for our (delicious) dinner - 400 people. The
Washington event is limited by the size of a drive-in. In my experience
(I've been to every big event in Europe and the US since 96 except for a
couple), the smaller events are often more enjoyable. I expect that both
Ottawa and Washington will fill up quickly, so I'd recommend signing up for
them asap.

Keith
Northern Exposure 2002 organizer

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Message: 43
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:33:02 -0500 (EST)
From: <jaimev@...>
To: miata@...
Subject: [Miata] Ground Control coilovers: installation writeup available

For anyone interested, I have pictures, descriptions and comments
for a Ground Control coilover installation on KYB AGX shocks for my '94
that I completed over the weekend. The link to the writeup is in
the Installations section of my Miata page:

http://www.panix.com/~jaimev/miata

- jaime

jaime villacorte jaimev@... http://www.panix.com/~jaimev/miata
Laguna Blue 94B Irvine, CA

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Message: 44
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:42:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Tina Csomo <tinabee3@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
To: Bill Kellenberger <bkellenb@...>
Cc: miata@...

If I remember right, I think Daytona's fee was more expensive...and the
hotel wasn't exactly terribly cheap either. It was a fun week, though,
even though it rained 1/2 the time, and the vendors weren't all out in
full force like I'd hoped. I got to eat Krispy Kreme donuts, drive my car
on the beach, and bring home a free `12-pack, as well as go to a
hole-in-the wall restaurant/bar where there were pix of 1/2 nude men
posted in the ladies room....so it was all good :D. The caravan we had in
the early AM to go to the track was a BLAST!!!!!!

The only reason why I don't plan on going to another National is that it
can get a bit too crowded full of people for me. I tend to get
"peopled-out" really easy. Furthermore, DC isn't exactly on the list in
the US of safest places to go visiting. I'd be concerned about my car
getting vandalized, or worse over there, even though there are a whole lot
of really neat things to see while visiting (Smithsonian, art museums,
gov't buildings, Vietnam wall, etc.)

I wouldn't complain about $200.00 to go to a National in the slightest.

Some cars got vandalized in Daytona, as well. The good/bad parts of town
tend to overlap. For instance, there was a gentleman's only hair salon and
a strip club just a few blocks away from the Adam's Mark. Go figure...

Tina C.

--- Bill Kellenberger <bkellenb@...> wrote:
> It seems like everytime some club announces a national event, some
> controversy starts. If it's not the price, it's whether children are
> welcome, or the cost to vendors, or the number of attendees. We've
> attended both Indy events, Pocono, Dallas and Daytona Beach. This year
> we're going to Ottawa.
>
> We've enjoyed all the nationals...they've all been different in some
> ways...and we've enjoyed some more than others. Actually, some of the
> smaller ones were more fun (for us, at least). We decided to go to
> Ottawa
> before the Washington event was announced...and since it fits in with
> the
> rest of our summer plans, we're going to stick with it. If there was
> not
> an event in Ottawa, would we have gone to the Washington event...who
> knows??????
>
> Take a look at what is being offered...see how it fits into your plans
> (and
> pocketbooks) and if you choose to go to either/both, I'm sure you'll
> have a
> good time (unless you go with the intent of seeing why it wasn't worth
> the
> money). If neither one suits your fancy...well...there's always next
> year
> and lots of other events around that may meet your needs.
>
>
> Bill Kellenberger & Dino
> '90 Red MO plate="R-4RE"
> Gateway Miata Club (St. Louis)
> http://www.geocities.com/gatewaymiata (club)
> http://members.fortunecity.com/kberger1(personal)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> Miata@...
> http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata

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Message: 45
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 16:19:22 -0500
From: "Theresa Davis" <TDavis@...>
To: <tinabee3@...>
Cc: <Miata@...>
Subject: [Miata] Take The Scenic Route, Capital Area Miata Event 2002

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Tinabee writes:
DC isn't exactly on the list in the US of safest places to go visiting. I'd be
concerned about my car getting vandalized, or worse over there, even though
there are a whole lot
of really neat things to see while visiting (Smithsonian, art museums, gov't
buildings, Vietnam wall, etc.)

Our hotel location is actually Herndon, Virginia, out near Dulles Airport, (and
within a 10 minute drive to PBC for those who have visited before). MSCW
membership covers the Capital area... Northern Virginia, DC and Southern
Maryland, so we weren't limited to DC locations.
Hope this is helpful.

Terry Davis
Take The Scenic Route
MSCW Capital Area Miata Event 2002

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Message: 46
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:24:58 -0500
From: Larry Alster <Larry@...>
To: Jay Goddard <redbelly@...>
CC: "miata@..." <miata@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] Ford heavy duty brake fliud

Why???

What is special about Ford brake fluid??

I would rather spend the money and get some ATE fluid or another high
temp fluid.

Jay Goddard wrote:
>
> What is the part # or name of the really good Ford brake fluid? I have
> buddy who works at a Ford place and can get me a deal, but he has no
> idea what I am talking about. Please reply to me directly I am on the
> Digest.
>
> Thanks!!
> Jay
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> Miata@...
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--
Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow

LowCountry Miata http://drive.to/lowcountrymiata
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

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Message: 47
From: "Bob Hotaling" <bobhotaling@...>
To: "Larry Alster" <Larry@...>, "Jay Goddard" <redbelly@...>
Cc: <miata@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] Ford heavy duty brake fliud
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:32:54 -0500
charset="iso-8859-1"

I dunno the exact part number but a very successful Miata SCCA driver I met
years ago swore by the stuff.... but also warned that it is quite
hydroscopic (gathers water) when compared to some others but just flushed
more frequently and was quite happy. Another favorite is the Mercedes just
standard dot 4. It's supposed to have very good heat ranges. It's big in
the p-car world in the South East at least.

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Alster" <Larry@...>
To: "Jay Goddard" <redbelly@...>
Cc: <miata@...>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Ford heavy duty brake fliud

> Why???
>
> What is special about Ford brake fluid??
>
> I would rather spend the money and get some ATE fluid or another high
> temp fluid.
>
> Jay Goddard wrote:
> >
> > What is the part # or name of the really good Ford brake fluid? I have
> > buddy who works at a Ford place and can get me a deal, but he has no
> > idea what I am talking about. Please reply to me directly I am on the
> > Digest.
> >
> > Thanks!!
> > Jay
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Miata mailing list
> > Miata@...
> > http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>
> --
> Larry
>
> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
>
> LowCountry Miata http://drive.to/lowcountrymiata
> Masters Miata
> RAGS 074
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> Miata@...
> http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

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Message: 48
From: Bill Cardell <bill@...>
To: 'Larry Alster' <Larry@...>, Jay Goddard <redbelly@...>
Cc: miata@...
Subject: RE: [Miata] Ford heavy duty brake fliud
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:30:36 -0700

Ford does have some good fluid, it's their truck fluid, IIRC.

Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
bill@...
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
http://flyinmiata.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Alster [mailto:Larry@...]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 3:25 PM
To: Jay Goddard
Cc: miata@...
Subject: Re: [Miata] Ford heavy duty brake fliud

Why???

What is special about Ford brake fluid??

I would rather spend the money and get some ATE fluid or another high
temp fluid.

Jay Goddard wrote:
>
> What is the part # or name of the really good Ford brake fluid? I have
> buddy who works at a Ford place and can get me a deal, but he has no
> idea what I am talking about. Please reply to me directly I am on the
> Digest.
>
> Thanks!!
> Jay
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> Miata@...
> http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata

--
Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow

LowCountry Miata http://drive.to/lowcountrymiata
Masters Miata
RAGS 074
_______________________________________________
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Message: 49
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:34:54 -0500
From: Larry Alster <Larry@...>
To: Chris Weaver <chris_vtr@...>
CC: miata@...
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Ripoff?

The suggestion I would make then is don't go. If you think it's too
expensive then you obviously don't have a clue as to the cost of doing
one of these events and all you'll do is complain and make everyone else
unhappy.

I have been to quite a few national events and if you ever attend you
will understand why it costs so much.

Chris Weaver wrote:
>
> What da fuh? Granted, I've never been to one of these
> events, but WHY is it so freakin' expensive? I live in
> Arlington, VA only ten miles from DC and I can't see
> spending three hundred bucks or more for my girlfriend
> and I to go to this event. Does it cost anything (or
> less at least) for someone to just attend the event
> (rather than enter concours etc)?
>
> I want to do some of that stuff they list, but at
> those prices? Fuggedaboudit.
>
> Chris Weaver
> '01 LS
>
> --- miata-request@... wrote:
> Message: 22
> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:50:59 -0800
> To: Miata E-mail List <miata@...>
> From: Mark Booth <mbooth@...>
> Subject: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Event
> http://www.mscw.com/Miata2002/
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals
> http://personals.yahoo.com
> _______________________________________________
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> Miata@...
> http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata

--
Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow

LowCountry Miata http://drive.to/lowcountrymiata
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

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Message: 50
From: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
To: Larry@..., nramsey@...
Cc: bobhotaling@..., chris_vtr@..., miata@...
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:46:44 -0800

Calm down Larry, not saying they are doing a bad job. Just think if
they could have a larger event (which I am sure demand would allow)
they should, since I think an event like this should be open to all
members who wish to attend.

Forget I said anything...sheesh.

Nate

---- Original Message ----
From: Larry@...
To: nramsey@...
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:44:14 -0500

>there is always a limit at a National Event. The hold sit down
>dinners
>and have to rent halls to fit. Depending on the size of the places
>available affects the size of the event.
>
>All I can say is that if you've never attended an National event
>don't
>criticize the group running it since you don't know what your talking
>about. If you think it's too much money the solution is simple.
>Don't
>go, no one tells you that you have to be there.
>
>There is usually a waiting list to go to these events so some people
>must think its worth the money.
>
>Janice and I have gone to quite a few and if we had the time we
>would be
>attending this one too.
>
>nramsey wrote:
>>
>> I am not saying they are doing a poor job at all, I have no
>knowledge
>> of how good a job they are doing. I can kinda see the money
>> situation (though I still think its a bit high) but I am quite
>> shocked as to the 200 car limit. Has there been a limit at past
>> National events?
>>
>> Nate
>>
>> ---- Original Message ----
>> From: bobhotaling@...
>> To: nramsey@...
>> Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
>> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:32:15 -0500
>>
>> >HEY! Lighten up! :)
>> >
>> >For what it's worth, MOC/MAZDA has a pretty formal outline that
>must
>> >be met
>> >by any orgainzation wanting to sponsor a National event and it's
>> >there to
>> >ensure quality, quantity, and to be sure attendee expectations are
>> >fullfilled.
>> >
>> >If you have a problem with how the DC gang is going about their
>> >business,
>> >perhaps the best way to address the issue is to take the MOC
>> >Questionaire
>> >found at the URL below and express your concerns specifically to
>> >those who
>> >are and will in the foreseeable future be deciding what
>constitutes a
>> >National, a Regional...and who gets the very limited $$$ support
>> >available
>> >from a club with only 13,800 members. In the meantime, kudos to
>> >the DC
>> >gang for all their hard work to date and hours of fun yet to come!
>> >
>> >http://www.miataownersclub.com/survey/profile1.asp
>> >
>> >Bob
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
>> >To: <mbooth@...>; <nramsey@...>
>> >Cc: <chris_vtr@...>; <miata@...>
>> >Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:14 PM
>> >Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
>> >
>> >
>> >> No, folks were responsible for buying their own food on site.
>Got
>> >a
>> >> nice hotdog and drink for $5 plus a strawberry lemonade for
>another
>> >> $2 or so. I fail to see how food can cost they $200 per person.
>> >> regardless of whether it's a couple days long. Hell I could
>have
>> >> several meals at the most expensive resaurant around for less
>than
>> >> $200.
>> >>
>> >> Nate
>> >>
>> >> ---- Original Message ----
>> >> From: mbooth@...
>> >> To: nramsey@...
>> >> Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
>> >> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:09:47 -0800
>> >>
>> >> >At 8:51 AM -0800 11/19/01, nramsey wrote:
>> >> >>And why are they limiting a NATIONAL event to only 200 cars?
>> >Hell
>> >> >we
>> >> >>had 200 cars in our Northwest Miatafest this past summer in
>> >Seattle!
>> >> >>BTW, I believe that event cost $5.
>> >> >
>> >> >Nate,
>> >> >
>> >> >And what did they feed you, birdseed? :)
>> >> >
>> >> >I'm sure you easily spent a hundred plus dollars on food while
>you
>> >> >were there. Two completely different types of events.
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> >Mark Booth
>> >> >
>> >> >2001 Classic Red LS w/6-speed
>> >> >
>> >> >San Diego Miata Club
>> >> >http://www.SanDiegoMiataClub.org
>> >> >
>> >> >Miata Owners Club
>> >> >http://www.miataownersclub.com
>> >> >
>> >> >Team Voodoo Titanium
>> >> >http://www.teamvoodoo.com
>> >> >
>> >> >_______________________________________________
>> >> >Miata mailing list
>> >> >Miata@...
>> >> >http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Miata mailing list
>> >> Miata@...
>> >> http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Miata mailing list
>> Miata@...
>> http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>
>--
>Larry
>
>White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
>Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
>Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
>
>LowCountry Miata http://drive.to/lowcountrymiata
>Masters Miata
>RAGS 074
>

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Message: 51
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:48:45 -0500
From: Larry Alster <Larry@...>
To: Nora Hague <nora@...>
CC: miata@...
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Ripoff?

Nice attitude.

So people should pay for the sponsors to be able to afford to run the
event and you'll just show up without paying?? And hang around??

Well you need to see what's going on. At Pocono you couldn't do that.

At Daytona you could hang out in the hotel and that was all. you
couldn't get into the track or the vendor area. And rightfully so,
since they were paid for by the paying people.

Nora Hague wrote:
>
> charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> My feeling exactly, about the Ottawa event. However, it's easy to see that
> all that organization and involvement of commercial enterprises would
> involve $$$. Also the accomodation part would have to be there for people
> coming long distances to attend.
>
> Since I'm only 2 hours away from Ottawa (or less depending :D ) there's no
> way I would pay for expensive accomodation, and I would think twice about
> pricy meals.
>
> I figger I'll just visit Ottawa for a day or two and hang out around the
> edges, enjoying the sight of a mob of Miatas.
>
> Nora (imagine a Canadian flag here)
> ========================
> and the Rollerskate
> (imagine a '99 shiny clean waxed silver Miata here)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Weaver" <chris_vtr@...>
> To: <miata@...>
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 10:29 AM
> Subject: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Ripoff?
>
> > What da fuh? Granted, I've never been to one of these
> > events, but WHY is it so freakin' expensive? I live in
> > Arlington, VA only ten miles from DC and I can't see
> > spending three hundred bucks or more for my girlfriend
> > and I to go to this event. Does it cost anything (or
> > less at least) for someone to just attend the event
> > (rather than enter concours etc)?
> >
> > I want to do some of that stuff they list, but at
> > those prices? Fuggedaboudit.
> >
> > Chris Weaver
> > '01 LS
> >
> >
> > --- miata-request@... wrote:
> > Message: 22
> > Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 21:50:59 -0800
> > To: Miata E-mail List <miata@...>
> > From: Mark Booth <mbooth@...>
> > Subject: [Miata] 2002 National Miata Event
> > http://www.mscw.com/Miata2002/
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals
> > http://personals.yahoo.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Miata mailing list
> > Miata@...
> > http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> >
>
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> http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata

--
Larry

White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow

LowCountry Miata http://drive.to/lowcountrymiata
Masters Miata
RAGS 074

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Message: 52
From: "Bob Hotaling" <bobhotaling@...>
To: "Bill Cardell" <bill@...>, "Larry Alster" <Larry@...>, "Jay
Goddard" <redbelly@...>
Cc: <miata@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] Ford heavy duty brake fliud
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:45:50 -0500
charset="iso-8859-1"

...yeah, that too. Thanks, Bill.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Cardell" <bill@...>
To: "'Bob Hotaling'" <bobhotaling@...>; "Larry Alster"
<Larry@...>; "Jay Goddard" <redbelly@...>
Cc: <miata@...>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Miata] Ford heavy duty brake fliud

> I *think* that's "hygroscopic".
>
> Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
> bill@...
> Flyin' Miata
> 1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
> 970-242-3800 (tech support)
> http://flyinmiata.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Hotaling [mailto:bobhotaling@...]
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 3:33 PM
> To: Larry Alster; Jay Goddard
> Cc: miata@...
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Ford heavy duty brake fliud
>
>
> I dunno the exact part number but a very successful Miata SCCA driver I
met
> years ago swore by the stuff.... but also warned that it is quite
> hydroscopic (gathers water) when compared to some others but just flushed
> more frequently and was quite happy. Another favorite is the Mercedes
just
> standard dot 4. It's supposed to have very good heat ranges. It's big
in
> the p-car world in the South East at least.
>
> Bob
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Alster" <Larry@...>
> To: "Jay Goddard" <redbelly@...>
> Cc: <miata@...>
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 5:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Miata] Ford heavy duty brake fliud
>
>
> > Why???
> >
> > What is special about Ford brake fluid??
> >
> > I would rather spend the money and get some ATE fluid or another high
> > temp fluid.
> >
> > Jay Goddard wrote:
> > >
> > > What is the part # or name of the really good Ford brake fluid? I
have
> > > buddy who works at a Ford place and can get me a deal, but he has no
> > > idea what I am talking about. Please reply to me directly I am on the
> > > Digest.
> > >
> > > Thanks!!
> > > Jay
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Miata mailing list
> > > Miata@...
> > > http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> >
> > --
> > Larry
> >
> > White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> > Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
> > Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
> >
> > LowCountry Miata http://drive.to/lowcountrymiata
> > Masters Miata
> > RAGS 074
> > _______________________________________________
> > Miata mailing list
> > Miata@...
> > http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> Miata@...
> http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

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Message: 53
From: Bill Cardell <bill@...>
To: 'Bob Hotaling' <bobhotaling@...>, Larry Alster <Larry@...>, Jay
Goddard <redbelly@...>
Cc: miata@...
Subject: RE: [Miata] Ford heavy duty brake fliud
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 15:32:52 -0700

I *think* that's "hygroscopic".

Bill Cardell (TurboDog's Dad)
bill@...
Flyin' Miata
1-800-359-6957 (sales only)
970-242-3800 (tech support)
http://flyinmiata.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Hotaling [mailto:bobhotaling@...]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 3:33 PM
To: Larry Alster; Jay Goddard
Cc: miata@...
Subject: Re: [Miata] Ford heavy duty brake fliud

I dunno the exact part number but a very successful Miata SCCA driver I met
years ago swore by the stuff.... but also warned that it is quite
hydroscopic (gathers water) when compared to some others but just flushed
more frequently and was quite happy. Another favorite is the Mercedes just
standard dot 4. It's supposed to have very good heat ranges. It's big in
the p-car world in the South East at least.

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Alster" <Larry@...>
To: "Jay Goddard" <redbelly@...>
Cc: <miata@...>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] Ford heavy duty brake fliud

> Why???
>
> What is special about Ford brake fluid??
>
> I would rather spend the money and get some ATE fluid or another high
> temp fluid.
>
> Jay Goddard wrote:
> >
> > What is the part # or name of the really good Ford brake fluid? I have
> > buddy who works at a Ford place and can get me a deal, but he has no
> > idea what I am talking about. Please reply to me directly I am on the
> > Digest.
> >
> > Thanks!!
> > Jay
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Miata mailing list
> > Miata@...
> > http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>
> --
> Larry
>
> White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
> Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
>
> LowCountry Miata http://drive.to/lowcountrymiata
> Masters Miata
> RAGS 074
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> Miata@...
> http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

_______________________________________________
Miata mailing list
Miata@...
http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata

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Message: 54
Reply-To: "Scott Wegener, Roadster Performance"
<wegster@...>
From: "Scott Wegener, Roadster Performance" <wegster@...>
To: "Himansu Yapa" <r47856@...>, <miata@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] Gauges
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:44:01 -0500
Organization: Roadster Performance
charset="iso-8859-1"

Find a carparts.com code and buy them all from them in Autometer..

Scott
scott@...
Roadster Performance
http://www.RoadsterPerformance.com
Sales: (919) 484-4100 sales@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Himansu Yapa" <r47856@...>
To: <miata@...>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 2:22 PM
Subject: [Miata] Gauges

> I was looking for some Air/Fuel, Vac/Boost and Exhaust temp gauges,
> anyone know where I can buy them for a reasonable price? I went to
> autometer.com, I really like there stuff, but is there a vendor that
> sell that for a little cheaper?
>
> Thanx in Advance,
> Hima
> _______________________________________________
> Miata mailing list
> Miata@...
> http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
>

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Message: 55
From: "Bob Hotaling" <bobhotaling@...>
To: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>, <Larry@...>
Cc: <chris_vtr@...>, <miata@...>
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:51:15 -0500
charset="iso-8859-1"

Larry's got his shorts in a knot but we know and love him that way. :)

Nate...out of curiosity, what "members" are you referring to?
There's a reason for this question.

Thanks,

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
To: <Larry@...>; <nramsey@...>
Cc: <bobhotaling@...>; <chris_vtr@...>; <miata@...>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff

> Calm down Larry, not saying they are doing a bad job. Just think if
> they could have a larger event (which I am sure demand would allow)
> they should, since I think an event like this should be open to all
> members who wish to attend.
>
> Forget I said anything...sheesh.
>
> Nate
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: Larry@...
> To: nramsey@...
> Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:44:14 -0500
>
> >there is always a limit at a National Event. The hold sit down
> >dinners
> >and have to rent halls to fit. Depending on the size of the places
> >available affects the size of the event.
> >
> >All I can say is that if you've never attended an National event
> >don't
> >criticize the group running it since you don't know what your talking
> >about. If you think it's too much money the solution is simple.
> >Don't
> >go, no one tells you that you have to be there.
> >
> >There is usually a waiting list to go to these events so some people
> >must think its worth the money.
> >
> >Janice and I have gone to quite a few and if we had the time we
> >would be
> >attending this one too.
> >
> >nramsey wrote:
> >>
> >> I am not saying they are doing a poor job at all, I have no
> >knowledge
> >> of how good a job they are doing. I can kinda see the money
> >> situation (though I still think its a bit high) but I am quite
> >> shocked as to the 200 car limit. Has there been a limit at past
> >> National events?
> >>
> >> Nate
> >>
> >> ---- Original Message ----
> >> From: bobhotaling@...
> >> To: nramsey@...
> >> Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
> >> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:32:15 -0500
> >>
> >> >HEY! Lighten up! :)
> >> >
> >> >For what it's worth, MOC/MAZDA has a pretty formal outline that
> >must
> >> >be met
> >> >by any orgainzation wanting to sponsor a National event and it's
> >> >there to
> >> >ensure quality, quantity, and to be sure attendee expectations are
> >> >fullfilled.
> >> >
> >> >If you have a problem with how the DC gang is going about their
> >> >business,
> >> >perhaps the best way to address the issue is to take the MOC
> >> >Questionaire
> >> >found at the URL below and express your concerns specifically to
> >> >those who
> >> >are and will in the foreseeable future be deciding what
> >constitutes a
> >> >National, a Regional...and who gets the very limited $$$ support
> >> >available
> >> >from a club with only 13,800 members. In the meantime, kudos to
> >> >the DC
> >> >gang for all their hard work to date and hours of fun yet to come!
> >> >
> >> >http://www.miataownersclub.com/survey/profile1.asp
> >> >
> >> >Bob
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
> >> >To: <mbooth@...>; <nramsey@...>
> >> >Cc: <chris_vtr@...>; <miata@...>
> >> >Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:14 PM
> >> >Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> No, folks were responsible for buying their own food on site.
> >Got
> >> >a
> >> >> nice hotdog and drink for $5 plus a strawberry lemonade for
> >another
> >> >> $2 or so. I fail to see how food can cost they $200 per person.
> >> >> regardless of whether it's a couple days long. Hell I could
> >have
> >> >> several meals at the most expensive resaurant around for less
> >than
> >> >> $200.
> >> >>
> >> >> Nate
> >> >>
> >> >> ---- Original Message ----
> >> >> From: mbooth@...
> >> >> To: nramsey@...
> >> >> Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
> >> >> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:09:47 -0800
> >> >>
> >> >> >At 8:51 AM -0800 11/19/01, nramsey wrote:
> >> >> >>And why are they limiting a NATIONAL event to only 200 cars?
> >> >Hell
> >> >> >we
> >> >> >>had 200 cars in our Northwest Miatafest this past summer in
> >> >Seattle!
> >> >> >>BTW, I believe that event cost $5.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Nate,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >And what did they feed you, birdseed? :)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I'm sure you easily spent a hundred plus dollars on food while
> >you
> >> >> >were there. Two completely different types of events.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >--
> >> >> >Mark Booth
> >> >> >
> >> >> >2001 Classic Red LS w/6-speed
> >> >> >
> >> >> >San Diego Miata Club
> >> >> >http://www.SanDiegoMiataClub.org
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Miata Owners Club
> >> >> >http://www.miataownersclub.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Team Voodoo Titanium
> >> >> >http://www.teamvoodoo.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> >_______________________________________________
> >> >> >Miata mailing list
> >> >> >Miata@...
> >> >> >http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Miata mailing list
> >> >> Miata@...
> >> >> http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Miata mailing list
> >> Miata@...
> >> http://realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/miata
> >
> >--
> >Larry
> >
> >White Knight 1991 Crystal White #99 CSP
> >Silver Bullet 1992 Silverstone #17 EM BEGI System IV Turbo +
> >Honey B 1992 Sunburst Yellow
> >
> >LowCountry Miata http://drive.to/lowcountrymiata
> >Masters Miata
> >RAGS 074
> >
>
>

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Message: 56
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:44:14 -0500
From: Larry Alster <Larry@...>
To: nramsey <nramsey@...>
CC: bobhotaling@..., chris_vtr@..., miata@...
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff

there is always a limit at a National Event. The hold sit down dinners
and have to rent halls to fit. Depending on the size of the places
available affects the size of the event.

All I can say is that if you've never attended an National event don't
criticize the group running it since you don't know what your talking
about. If you think it's too much money the solution is simple. Don't
go, no one tells you that you have to be there.

There is usually a waiting list to go to these events so some people
must think its worth the money.

Janice and I have gone to quite a few and if we had the time we would be
attending this one too.

nramsey wrote:
>
> I am not saying they are doing a poor job at all, I have no knowledge
> of how good a job they are doing. I can kinda see the money
> situation (though I still think its a bit high) but I am quite
> shocked as to the 200 car limit. Has there been a limit at past
> National events?
>
> Nate
>
> ---- Original Message ----
> From: bobhotaling@...
> To: nramsey@...
> Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:32:15 -0500
>
> >HEY! Lighten up! :)
> >
> >For what it's worth, MOC/MAZDA has a pretty formal outline that must
> >be met
> >by any orgainzation wanting to sponsor a National event and it's
> >there to
> >ensure quality, quantity, and to be sure attendee expectations are
> >fullfilled.
> >
> >If you have a problem with how the DC gang is going about their
> >business,
> >perhaps the best way to address the issue is to take the MOC
> >Questionaire
> >found at the URL below and express your concerns specifically to
> >those who
> >are and will in the foreseeable future be deciding what constitutes a
> >National, a Regional...and who gets the very limited $$$ support
> >available
> >from a club with only 13,800 members. In the meantime, kudos to
> >the DC
> >gang for all their hard work to date and hours of fun yet to come!
> >
> >http://www.miataownersclub.com/survey/profile1.asp
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
> >To: <mbooth@...>; <nramsey@...>
> >Cc: <chris_vtr@...>; <miata@...>
> >Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:14 PM
> >Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
> >
> >
> >> No, folks were responsible for buying their own food on site. Got
> >a
> >> nice hotdog and drink for $5 plus a strawberry lemonade for another
> >> $2 or so. I fail to see how food can cost they $200 per person.
> >> regardless of whether it's a couple days long. Hell I could have
> >> several meals at the most expensive resaurant around for less than
> >> $200.
> >>
> >> Nate
> >>
> >> ---- Original Message ----
> >> From: mbooth@...
> >> To: nramsey@...
> >> Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
> >> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:09:47 -0800
> >>
> >> >At 8:51 AM -0800 11/19/01, nramsey wrote:
> >> >>And why are they limiting a NATIONAL event to only 200 cars?
> >Hell
> >> >we
> >> >>had 200 cars in our Northwest Miatafest this past summer in
> >Seattle!
> >> >>BTW, I believe that event cost $5.
> >> >
> >> >Nate,
> >> >
> >> >And what did they feed you, birdseed? :)
> >> >
> >> >I'm sure you easily spent a hundred plus dollars on food while you
> >> >were there. Two completely different types of events.
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >Mark Booth
> >> >
> >> >2001 Classic Red LS w/6-speed
> >> >
> >> >San Diego Miata Club
> >> >http://www.SanDiegoMiataClub.org
> >> >
> >> >Miata Owners Club
> >> >http://www.miataownersclub.com
> >> >
> >> >Team Voodoo Titanium
> >> >http://www.teamvoodoo.com
> >> >
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Message: 57
From: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
To: bobhotaling@..., nramsey@...
Cc: miata@...
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:55:36 -0800

Members of MOC, since I was under the impression this was a MOC
"National" event.

Nate

---- Original Message ----
From: bobhotaling@...
To: nramsey@..., Larry@...
Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:51:15 -0500

>Larry's got his shorts in a knot but we know and love him that way.
>:)
>
>Nate...out of curiosity, what "members" are you referring to?
>There's a reason for this question.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bob
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
>To: <Larry@...>; <nramsey@...>
>Cc: <bobhotaling@...>; <chris_vtr@...>;
><miata@...>
>Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 5:46 PM
>Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
>
>
>> Calm down Larry, not saying they are doing a bad job. Just think
>if
>> they could have a larger event (which I am sure demand would allow)
>> they should, since I think an event like this should be open to all
>> members who wish to attend.
>>
>> Forget I said anything...sheesh.
>>
>> Nate
>>
>> ---- Original Message ----
>> From: Larry@...
>> To: nramsey@...
>> Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
>> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:44:14 -0500
>>
>> >there is always a limit at a National Event. The hold sit down
>> >dinners
>> >and have to rent halls to fit. Depending on the size of the
>places
>> >available affects the size of the event.
>> >
>> >All I can say is that if you've never attended an National event
>> >don't
>> >criticize the group running it since you don't know what your
>talking
>> >about. If you think it's too much money the solution is simple.
>> >Don't
>> >go, no one tells you that you have to be there.
>> >
>> >There is usually a waiting list to go to these events so some
>people
>> >must think its worth the money.
>> >
>> >Janice and I have gone to quite a few and if we had the time we
>> >would be
>> >attending this one too.
>> >
>> >nramsey wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I am not saying they are doing a poor job at all, I have no
>> >knowledge
>> >> of how good a job they are doing. I can kinda see the money
>> >> situation (though I still think its a bit high) but I am quite
>> >> shocked as to the 200 car limit. Has there been a limit at past
>> >> National events?
>> >>
>> >> Nate
>> >>
>> >> ---- Original Message ----
>> >> From: bobhotaling@...
>> >> To: nramsey@...
>> >> Subject: Re: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
>> >> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 12:32:15 -0500
>> >>
>> >> >HEY! Lighten up! :)
>> >> >
>> >> >For what it's worth, MOC/MAZDA has a pretty formal outline
>that
>> >must
>> >> >be met
>> >> >by any orgainzation wanting to sponsor a National event and
>it's
>> >> >there to
>> >> >ensure quality, quantity, and to be sure attendee expectations
>are
>> >> >fullfilled.
>> >> >
>> >> >If you have a problem with how the DC gang is going about their
>> >> >business,
>> >> >perhaps the best way to address the issue is to take the MOC
>> >> >Questionaire
>> >> >found at the URL below and express your concerns specifically
>to
>> >> >those who
>> >> >are and will in the foreseeable future be deciding what
>> >constitutes a
>> >> >National, a Regional...and who gets the very limited $$$
>support
>> >> >available
>> >> >from a club with only 13,800 members. In the meantime, kudos
>to
>> >> >the DC
>> >> >gang for all their hard work to date and hours of fun yet to
>come!
>> >> >
>> >> >http://www.miataownersclub.com/survey/profile1.asp
>> >> >
>> >> >Bob
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> >From: "nramsey" <nramsey@...>
>> >> >To: <mbooth@...>; <nramsey@...>
>> >> >Cc: <chris_vtr@...>; <miata@...>
>> >> >Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 12:14 PM
>> >> >Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> No, folks were responsible for buying their own food on
>site.
>> >Got
>> >> >a
>> >> >> nice hotdog and drink for $5 plus a strawberry lemonade for
>> >another
>> >> >> $2 or so. I fail to see how food can cost they $200 per
>person.
>> >> >> regardless of whether it's a couple days long. Hell I could
>> >have
>> >> >> several meals at the most expensive resaurant around for
>less
>> >than
>> >> >> $200.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Nate
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ---- Original Message ----
>> >> >> From: mbooth@...
>> >> >> To: nramsey@...
>> >> >> Subject: RE: [Miata] 2002 National Miata (is not a) Ripoff
>> >> >> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 09:09:47 -0800
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >At 8:51 AM -0800 11/19/01, nramsey wrote:
>> >> >> >>And why are they limiting a NATIONAL event to only 200
>cars?
>> >> >Hell
>> >> >> >we
>> >> >> >>had 200 cars in our Northwest Miatafest this past summer in
>> >> >Seattle!
>> >> >> >>BTW, I believe that event cost $5.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Nate,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >And what did they feed you, birdseed? :)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I'm sure you easily spent a hundred plus dollars on food
>while
>> >you
>> >> >> >were there. Two completely different types of events.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >--
>> >> >> >Mark Booth
>> >>

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