>7.1 on the Richter scale, 20 miles from our house.


Ummm, bumped something then.......as I was saying, good to hear
that all is well, I have a mate who has moved home and also said that
he is 20 miles from the quake, you must be living on top of each other.

They don't call them the "shakey isles" for nothing.


Cheers           IAN


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- Drysdale 750-V8 Sports & 1000-V8 Cruiser
- DRYVTECH 2x2x2 Experimental
- Carberry Enfield 1000cc V-Twin
- Drysdale Hillclimb Open Wheeler

BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.

On Sunday 05 September 2010 02:41:45 mongoose_pjoy@... wrote:
> Got this image from a friend there..
> BlackBerry® wireless device via Vodafone-Celcom Mobile.
>
Try this instead:-
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8_X8p6M0uc


  from some one in the north island


--
C U
    Geo

Well I was ready to order a one-off megaphone from Apollo Cones, and their
website has disappeared. Anyone have contact info for them, or another custom
cone mfg?

Scott P.

Scott,

http://www.spdexhaust.com/

has some megaphones (and lots of other exhaust parts)

If you are referencing the place in Nevada that used to do custom
cone sets and things I think they went out of business quite some
time ago.

cheers,
Michael

It seems that Horex are building a narrow angle V6.
With triple overheadcam, no less.

However, its 1200 cc and supercharged, so small and light may not come into
it...

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>>>
From: Arthur Middleton <artmidd@...>
To: mc-engine@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: MotoGP Suzook
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:53 PM

I hope Suzuki makes a V4 600 super sports bike from this technology. It
could be tiny and form the basis for a Moto2 engine.

Arthur.

>It seems that Horex are building a narrow angle V6.
>With triple overheadcam, no less.


Invented by Lancia, despite what VW might say in their sales pitch....



Cheers           IAN


See www.drysdalev8.com for :
- Drysdale 750-V8 Sports & 1000-V8 Cruiser
- DRYVTECH 2x2x2 Experimental
- Carberry Enfield 1000cc V-Twin
- Drysdale Hillclimb Open Wheeler

Just what is who claiming to have invented. ?

The V6, the Tripleoverheadcam, or the narrow angle v-engine ?



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>>>
From: Ian <iwd@...>
To: mc-engine@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: MotoGP Suzook
Date: Thursday, September 09, 2010 10:20 AM

Invented by Lancia, despite what VW might say in their sales pitch....
-------

>It seems that Horex are building a narrow angle V6.
>With triple overheadcam, no less.

>Just what is who claiming to have invented. ?
>
>The V6, the Tripleoverheadcam, or the narrow angle v-engine ?


Twas me, and twas the narrow angle V-engine I was referring to.

All Lancia narrow V engines were SOHC with rockers; the later
ones had "compound rockers", not the Honda RFVC head of
the 80's & 90's.



Cheers         IAN


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- Drysdale 750-V8 Sports & 1000-V8 Cruiser
- DRYVTECH 2x2x2 Experimental
- Carberry Enfield 1000cc V-Twin
- Drysdale Hillclimb Open Wheeler

> >The V6, the Tripleoverheadcam, or the narrow angle v-engine ?
>
>All Lancia narrow V engines were SOHC with rockers; the later
>ones had "compound rockers", not the Honda RFVC head of
>the 80's & 90's.


Ummm, that was supposed to say......"not unlike the Honda RFVC head.."


Cheers          IAN


See www.drysdalev8.com for :
- Drysdale 750-V8 Sports & 1000-V8 Cruiser
- DRYVTECH 2x2x2 Experimental
- Carberry Enfield 1000cc V-Twin
- Drysdale Hillclimb Open Wheeler

The narrow angle V cylinder configuration was also made by Matchless
around 1930 - the side-valve Silver Arrow twin and OHC Silver Hawk V4.

Jordan

*****
  >It seems that Horex are building a narrow angle V6.
  >With triple overheadcam, no less.

Invented by Lancia, despite what VW might say in their sales pitch....

Cheers IAN

I think the only new in the Horex-engine is the triple-overhead-camshaft in
combination with a narrow 15° VR-engine. All other OHC or DOHC-concepts are
(nearly) as old as the combustion engine. The Horex has radial 3-valve heads
with central sparkplug, but I could not find out, how the valves are actuated:
Direct by bevelled camlobes and tappets, or arms.

Cheers,
Hans

--- In mc-engine@yahoogroups.com, Ava Pxia <avapxia@...> wrote:
>
> Other than USAF researchers publishing their proposals of OHC and DOHC
> before ww1 here is an interesting piece of history on OHC
> I also think in the ww1-2 era HD made an OHC racer as well but can't find
> reference to it right now.
>
> Among the early pioneers of DOHC were Isotta
> Fraschini<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotta_Fraschini>'s
> Giustino
Cattaneo<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Giustino_Cattaneo&action=edit\
&redlink=1>,
> Austro-Daimler <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Daimler>'s Ferdinand
> Porsche <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Porsche> Stephen
>
Tomczak<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stephen_Tomczak&action=edit&re\
dlink=1>(in
> the
> *Prinz Heinrich*), and W. O.
> Bentley<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._O._Bentley>(in 1919);
> Sunbeam <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunbeam_Car_Company> built small
> numbers of racing models between 1921 and 1923 and introduced one of the
> world's first production twin cams in 1924 - the Sunbeam 3 litre Super
> Sports <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunbeam_3_litre_Super_Sports>, an
> example of which came 2nd at LeMans in
> 1925.[2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohc#cite_note-1>The first DOHC
> engines were either two- or four-valve
> *per* cylinder racing car designs from companies like
> Fiat<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat>(1912),
> Peugeot <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot> Grand Prix (1913, 4 valve),
Alfa
> Romeo <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo> Grand
> Prix<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo_Grand_Prix>(1914, 4
> valve)
> [3] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohc#cite_note-europeancarweb.com-2>
> and 6C<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo_6C>(1928),
> Maserati <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maserati> Tipo
>
26<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maserati_Tipo_26&action=edit&redlin\
k=1>(1926),
> Bugatti <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti> Type
> 51<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Type_51>(1931)
>

>The narrow angle V cylinder configuration was also made by Matchless
>around 1930 - the side-valve Silver Arrow twin and OHC Silver Hawk V4.


Ah yes, I had forgotten about them, I've never seen one in the flesh,
( they're a rare beast ) whereas the narrow V's were Lancia's trademark
for 30+ years.


Cheers          IAN


See www.drysdalev8.com for :
- Drysdale 750-V8 Sports & 1000-V8 Cruiser
- DRYVTECH 2x2x2 Experimental
- Carberry Enfield 1000cc V-Twin
- Drysdale Hillclimb Open Wheeler

>I also think in the ww1-2 era HD made an OHC racer as well but can't
>find reference to it right now.


The famous Harley 8 valve race bike ??

There is reputed to be at least one of them that came to Australia
that is unaccounted for.  A couple of years ago I was on a ride in
the countryside with some friends and we passed a rusty old race
bike chained to a gate post with a FOR SALE sign on it.

My mate nearly tail-gated me , I braked that hard.  Turned out to
be a bitsa, a Harley V-twin shoe-horned into a Harley 350 single
frame and set up for flat track racing.  It belonged to an old guy
who had recently died, his grandson has cleaning out his house
and shed, and just pushed it out to the road and put a sign on it.
( Whilst the old boy was spinning in his grave )   It wasn't the
missing 8 valve race bike, but it might have been.....

I bought the bike for $1,000 and got a Goulding sidecar chassis
thrown in.


Cheers           IAN


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- Drysdale 750-V8 Sports & 1000-V8 Cruiser
- DRYVTECH 2x2x2 Experimental
- Carberry Enfield 1000cc V-Twin
- Drysdale Hillclimb Open Wheeler

The 8-valve Harley and Indian race engines were pushrod operated.

John Mead

--- On Thu, 9/9/10, Ian <iwd@...> wrote:

> From: Ian <iwd@...>
> Subject: Re: MotoGP Suzook
> To: mc-engine@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, September 9, 2010, 11:03 AM
>
> >I also think in the ww1-2 era HD made an OHC racer as
> well but can't
> >find reference to it right now.
>
>
> The famous Harley 8 valve race bike ??
>
> There is reputed to be at least one of them that came to
> Australia
> that is unaccounted for.  A couple of years ago I was
> on a ride in
> the countryside with some friends and we passed a rusty old
> race
> bike chained to a gate post with a FOR SALE sign on it.
>
> My mate nearly tail-gated me , I braked that hard. 
> Turned out to
> be a bitsa, a Harley V-twin shoe-horned into a Harley 350
> single
> frame and set up for flat track racing.  It belonged
> to an old guy
> who had recently died, his grandson has cleaning out his
> house
> and shed, and just pushed it out to the road and put a sign
> on it.
> ( Whilst the old boy was spinning in his grave
> )   It wasn't the
> missing 8 valve race bike, but it might have been.....
>
> I bought the bike for $1,000 and got a Goulding sidecar
> chassis
> thrown in.
>
>
> Cheers           IAN
>
>
> See www.drysdalev8.com for :
> - Drysdale 750-V8 Sports & 1000-V8 Cruiser
> - DRYVTECH 2x2x2 Experimental
> - Carberry Enfield 1000cc V-Twin
> - Drysdale Hillclimb Open Wheeler
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     mc-engine-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>

>The 8-valve Harley and Indian race engines were pushrod operated.
> >
> >>I also think in the ww1-2 era HD made an OHC racer as well


So they were, I've never heard / read of a HD OHC racer.



Cheers             IAN


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- Drysdale 750-V8 Sports & 1000-V8 Cruiser
- DRYVTECH 2x2x2 Experimental
- Carberry Enfield 1000cc V-Twin
- Drysdale Hillclimb Open Wheeler

><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot>Peugeot Grand Prix (1913, 4 valve)


And 5 valve / triple OHC in 1921.

They reputedly tested a 7 valve head too, but never raced it.



Cheers         IAN


See www.drysdalev8.com for :
- Drysdale 750-V8 Sports & 1000-V8 Cruiser
- DRYVTECH 2x2x2 Experimental
- Carberry Enfield 1000cc V-Twin
- Drysdale Hillclimb Open Wheeler

Cyclone, Excelsior and Reading Standard all made ohc v-twin
61ci  (1000cc) oval track racers.
No throttle control, just a magneto kill button (ala Sopwith Camel etc).

http://www.statnekov.com/motorcycles/mcphotos-frames.html

When it appeared in 1914, the Cyclone was wickedly fast, but unreliable.
So fast, they refused to believe the speed records it set.
(~110 mph, on a dirt track oval).

Someone on the GoldCoast has an 8 valve Indian.
Been offered a fortune for it....


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>>>
From: John Mead <john.mead@...>
To: mc-engine@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: MotoGP Suzook
Date: Friday, September 10, 2010 1:24 AM

The 8-valve Harley and Indian race engines were pushrod operated.

John Mead

A certain Mr Daimler built a very narrow v-twin engine (15°  ?) before most
folk had even heard of "internal combustion engine".

Nothing new in the world ?

Whether it was in a car or bike is a good question.
Maybe they hadn't been invented yet ....?

Dan, thanks for that.  I saved off those photos as I figure they are
the best set I'll see for one of those bikes.

If I had the spare cash I'd be interested in the bike, but since I don't
someone else will have to get it.

The Enduros had cast wheels as well as disc brakes.  I think the
wheels were by Tabloc.

cheers,
Michael

--- In mc-engine@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Moore" <mmoore@...> wrote:
>
> The Enduros had cast wheels as well as disc brakes.  I think the
> wheels were by Tabloc.
>
> cheers,
> Michael
>
"snowflake" Wheels by Kimtab - the story back then was the Dealings with ROKON
pretty much put them out of business.
The wheel on bike I bought as a "demo" from a local dealer had been bent during
an enduro down south (1974?)

A descendent of the Kimtab designer (1_2Many) is contributing to This link.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9608

--- In mc-engine@yahoogroups.com, Dan McManus <dan.mcmanus5@...> wrote:
>
> There was a recent discussion on Rokons and pull starts.  I stumbled on this
> link and thought others may be interested.  I never realized they had disk
> brakes.  The exhaust exit is interesting also.
>
> Dan
>
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/mcy/1945541585.html
>
====================================

That looks like one of race versions derived from the first enduro/cross country
models.  There were factory MX (Cobra) and I think even flat track models. I
believe Kevin Cameron may have consulted on some of the engine mods. The Sachs
factory cylinder porting was pretty tame. Odd thick section aluminum con rod
with bronze bush pin end, and pressed in BE race too.

On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Michael Moore <mmoore@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dan, thanks for that. I saved off those photos as I figure they are
> the best set I'll see for one of those bikes.
>
> If I had the spare cash I'd be interested in the bike, but since I don't
> someone else will have to get it.
>
> The Enduros had cast wheels as well as disc brakes. I think the
> wheels were by Tabloc.
>
> cheers,
> Michael

That bike looks almost the twin of the original H-D MX 250 (except for
the front fork tubes and sliders on the rear swingarm on the moto
hog).

Dan Whitfield

Thanks for the correction on the Kimtab wheels.  Some of my
memories of that stuff from 40 years ago gets a little jumbled up
now and then.

:-)

cheers,
Michael