> http://www.3wheelers.com/tritech.html
>
> As it says (sadly) they appear to have gone out of business.


They used to do a Honda engined Isetta bubble car as well.

Hey ho.

Both looked fun, although the Bubble car was a tad mor practical because it was
"car" height

Tim wrote:

>They claim that they need very little servicing 'just tyres & brakes' ...which
is exactly the areas I have the most grief with!!!
>
When I bought the electric Moke I thought I'd give it a 'good service'.
I removed the mini wheels and checked the brakes, checking the tyres
while I was there. I also checked the fluid in the Reliant diff and the
battery levels that was it ...

No plugs, belts, cooling systems, exhaust pipes yada yada. No heater
either but with global warming and us bikers being real men (and women)
that wouldn't be an issue. ;-)

It hasn't run for about 15 years but with a new set of tyres, a battery
and quick check over I can't see why it wouldn't be ready to go as well
as it ever did. With a max speed of 30mph it not a big risk in any case.

Cheers, T i m

p.s. A local bloke bought a second hand batch of those electric utility
scooters you see about and I did enquire after one. I might even follow
that up.

>
> BUT,  when you look at the fact that there is only a finite amount of fossil
> fuel available then it makes sense to search for an alternative while we
> still have time and reasonable reserves available.  Those alternative
> technologies will only start to make real inroads into the world's vehicle
> fleets when the economics of the total lifetime vehicle cost including fuel
> matches or falls below that associated with the mainstream fossil burning
> vehicles we know today.
>
>

The time is getting close when electric vehicles get to be the practical and
sensible choice.. Even now, I've toyed with the buying an elec scoot for my
commute. There are several with 60mph top speed, 80 miles between charges, and a
battery life cycle of several thousand charges (ie many years), so its
practical. Only snag is that they still cost too much - around £4000 odd, which
is too much for me to splash out on a commuter vehicle.

They claim that they need very little servicing 'just tyres & brakes' ...which
is exactly the areas I have the most grief with!!!

TimB

--- In maxi-scooters@yahoogroups.com, T i m <kitcar@...> wrote:
>
> >
> Oooo. I'd better get mine out (complete with intact Plexiglass dome) and
> restore it then eh. ;-)
>
> Mind you, I'm not sure how much work it will need [1] as I drove it in
> my garage over 20 years ago and it was running ok then.
>


No....just flog it! There are plenty of other nutters out there! Think of it as
a lottery win....

TimB

> "It's your fault I am stupid"

I'm sorry Arne...

Cheers,

Kelly
IBA #37788
Red 2008 Yamaha Majesty (Lois)
www.kentuckianascooter.com
"CAUTION: DO NOT APPLY TO OPEN FLAME.  KEEP AWAY FROM FIRE, HEAT AND
OPEN FLAME - EMAIL MAY IGNITE OR EXPLODE.  DO NOT CONSUME IN EXCESSIVE
QUANTITIES.  NOT INTENDED FOR CONSUMPTION UNLESS MIXED WITH
NON-ALCOHOLIC EMAIL.



On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:39 AM, i.am.reil <i.am.reil@...> wrote:
> Amen.... !
>
> "It's your fault I am stupid" is not a reasonable defense... or it shouldn't
> be.
>
> Arne
> .
> Saving just one animal won't change the world ... but surely, the world will
> change for that one animal.
> .
> A house is not a home without a border collie (Arne)
> .
>>
>> Remove ALL the safety stickers, make suing people for your own stupidity
>> an imprisonable offence (for the benefit of everyone) and let's let
>> common sense become a requirement for survival again. <sigh>
>>
>> Darwin rulez OK!
>>
>> Cheers, T i m
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Amen.... !

"It's your fault I am stupid" is not a reasonable defense... or it shouldn't
be.

Arne
.
Saving just one animal won't change the world ... but surely, the world will
change for that one animal.
.
A house is not a home without a border collie (Arne)
.
>
> Remove ALL the safety stickers, make suing people for your own stupidity
> an imprisonable offence (for the benefit of everyone) and let's let
> common sense become a requirement for survival again. <sigh>
>
> Darwin rulez OK!
>
> Cheers, T i m

This is a good summary by Gizmag of what Azhar Hussain is claiming
for his new KTM RC8-based TTX02 .
I just hope the product lives up to the hype!

>  http://tiny.cc/JRxMP
>
> Full address:
> http://www.gizmag.com/mavizen-ttx02-electric-motorcycle/13321/?
> utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=41347bdf8a-
> UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email
>
What it doesn't mention is that Mavizen is also offering all the
electrical components, motors, controllers and batteries to put in a
chassis of your own, either conventional or FF.....
PNB
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

<snip>
I actually bought myself a belt and transmission kit for the Mk2 Tmax
and hope to get around to fitting it soon, at the same time as the
12,000 mile service.
<snip>

If it's a Malossi belt send it back, they only last about 5K miles.

OEM is best which last up to 18K miles.

Cheers
Evan

Was Mk1 Tmax now Mk2.

In contrast to all the petrol saving measures, I got a close-up view
of the new Malossi 560cc big-bore kit for the Tmax last week when I
paid a visit to the importers, VE (UK) in Nottingham.
I also saw the hot cam they do.
I actually bought myself a belt and transmission kit for the Mk2 Tmax
and hope to get around to fitting it soon, at the same time as the
12,000 mile service.

The new performance parts are a direct result of the Tmax race series
in Italy, which has apparently been going for two seasons now.
Unfortunately I don't think you'd get much change from about £2K if
you went for the big bore kit, transmission and exhaust, and that's
without any labour!

The Tmax is still far and away the top selling PTW over 300cc in Italy.
The top selling PTWs of any size are all scooters too - the first 17
in the top 20!

Meanwhile, Tim Lawes reports that his nearly-new Gilera GP800 broke
down on him the other day when the exhaust disintegrated.......
Why does that not surprise me?!

Finally, I might or might not appear for a few brief seconds on the
Thundersprint highlights programme tomorrow night riding the all-
electric GSXR 750. I was about a second quicker on it than I was on
the Tmax last year and came 15th overall out of 93, despite being
overgeared and 30% down on power, but not as quick as Iggy Grainger
on his race-tuned Lambretta!
Promo Trailer here:
   http://www.youtube.com/bigtankproductions#p/a/u/0/vf-yPMw4P9k

PNB

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--- On Tue, 10/11/09, Martyn Goodwin <skutr@...> wrote:







 
BUT, when you look at the fact that there is only a finite amount of fossil
fuel available then it makes sense to search for an alternative while we
still have time and reasonable reserves available. Those alternative
technologies will only start to make real inroads into the world's vehicle
fleets when the economics of the total lifetime vehicle cost including fuel
matches or falls below that associated with the mainstream fossil burning
vehicles we know today.

Take a look at "Rare Earth Metas" search - there is only a fibite amount of
those and China is holding Japan to ransom over them!
 
Ian G




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Julian Bond wrote:

>Emile Nossin <Emile@...> Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:57:07
>
>
>>If you dig into the matter you'll find out that it only makes the case
>>for full electric even stronger.
>>
>>
>
>And then, at least initially, electric vehicles will get used mainly in
>cities. The vastly reduced noise and pollution at point of use is a big
>benefit for everyone else in the city.
>
>
>
Well, not to the benefit of *everyone* according to the TV the other day.

Someone had retrofitted an engine noise simulator to a Prius (I think it
was) for the benefit of the blind? So what, they only get knocked over
by joggers, cyclists, Rolls Royce's and milk floats now?

It does annoy me with all this "they are dangerous because people can't
hear them coming" (ignoring the deaf and blind of course as presumably
they couldn't hear *anything* coming). What happened to the 'Stop, Look"
bit of the Green Cross Code?

Remove ALL the safety stickers, make suing people for your own stupidity
an imprisonable offence (for the benefit of everyone) and let's let
common sense become a requirement for survival again. <sigh>

Darwin rulez OK!

Cheers, T i m

Emile Nossin <Emile@...> Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:57:07
>If you dig into the matter you'll find out that it only makes the case
>for full electric even stronger.

And then, at least initially, electric vehicles will get used mainly in
cities. The vastly reduced noise and pollution at point of use is a big
benefit for everyone else in the city.

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At 22:14 10/11/2009, Martyn Goodwin said:
>A couple of years back I got the bug to "play about" with an "almost
>scooter" - a Messerschmitt KR200.  Spent about 3 months searching for one
>here in Australia and eventually found one at an auction.  It was in
>terrible condition and the Perspex canopy was missing - still it had great
>lines and being mechanically simple I figured it would be a great
>restoration project.  The other thing is that it would not take up too much
>room in the garage.
>
>Dream on!  I bailed out of the auction when it passed A$5,000.  In the end
>it sold for A$18,500.  At today exch rate that's almost GBP 10,300 or
>US$17,000.
>
>Bit too rich for this scrooge!  But I can still dream.....

There used to be a company in the UK making replicas using scooter parts.

http://www.3wheelers.com/tritech.html

As it says (sadly) they appear to have gone out of business.

:-(


Ian

www.voyager03.co.uk

If at first you don't succeed parachuting is not for you.

Martyn Goodwin wrote:

>A couple of years back I got the bug to "play about" with an "almost
>scooter" - a Messerschmitt KR200.  Spent about 3 months searching for one
>here in Australia and eventually found one at an auction.  It was in
>terrible condition and the Perspex canopy was missing - still it had great
>lines and being mechanically simple I figured it would be a great
>restoration project.  The other thing is that it would not take up too much
>room in the garage.
>
>Dream on!  I bailed out of the auction when it passed A$5,000.  In the end
>it sold for A$18,500.  At today exch rate that's almost GBP 10,300 or
>US$17,000.
>
Oooo. I'd better get mine out (complete with intact Plexiglass dome) and
restore it then eh. ;-)

Mind you, I'm not sure how much work it will need [1] as I drove it in
my garage over 20 years ago and it was running ok then.

After that I can do the electric Moke and the Sinclair C5. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[1] Other than a complete strip, clean, refurb etc.

All that data is known, no secret. And you can easily find it
everywhere on the internet. Batteries, depending on the materials
used, can be recycled pretty much completely, especially the rare
components which could be harmful. Central power generation is not
only more efficient, it also has the option of being generated almost
entirely without pollution. On top of that, a gas engine converts
about 25% (diesel 35%) of the energy into actual movement (rest is
converted to vibrations, noise and especially heat), while electric
engines are about 90% efficient. Meaning that even if you get the
electricity using just CO2 producing power stations, you'd still be 3
to 4 times more efficient. Using a smart grid, which is what is used
now in the infrastructure and cars being created in cooperation with
Better Place, Renault / Nissan and Microsoft in Israel and Denmark
currently, you will need no new power stations at all. On top of that,
for all the electricity they sell, Better Place will produce the
equivalent of that by using wind or solar powerplants.

There's less moving parts, less maintenance and less oil needed in
electric vehicles. Durabilty is the same as with petrol engines. Taxi
companies with a Prius fleet replace them around 400.000+ km (not sure
that's the battery which determines the end of life, but that battery
can be recycled for 90%, especially the metal hydride inside). With
the Better Place construction, you don't need to worry about that
battery though, as they will be the energy and battery supplier (and
exchanger with battery switch stations).

So:
1. Just as much or slightly more than comparable petrol car, but
offset many times in its running life
2. At least 3 to 4 times less, to almost infinitely less with durable
energy sources.
3. 400.000 km plus for metal hydride batteries currently, no cost in
case of Better Place subscriptions.
4. Hardly any, because almost everything is recycled (including all
the potentially hazardous materials)
5. Just as much as a regular petrol car, but infinitely less pollution
during its life cycle.

If you dig into the matter you'll find out that it only makes the case
for full electric even stronger.

Emile

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Martyn Goodwin <skutr@...> wrote:
> Hi Emile,
>
> I think it would be very revealing of the electric lobby if, along with
> their statements of how non-polluting the vehicle is and how low running
> costs are they were also required to tell us - up front - at least the
> following information:
>
> 1.  Just how much pollution (of all types) was generated in the construction
> of the vehicle and all of its components
> 2.  Just how much pollution is created in the generation and distribution of
> the electricity used to keep the vehicle "recharged".
> 3.  The real life (km or years or recharge cycles) of any battery packs and
> the real cost of replacement to the owner.
> 4.  How much pollution is created when a battery pack is replaced.
> 5.  How much pollution will be created when the vehicle is finally scrapped.
>
> If all of this was known and public data then I suspect the argument - on
> environmental grounds - for electric would be much weaker.
>
> BUT,  when you look at the fact that there is only a finite amount of fossil
> fuel available then it makes sense to search for an alternative while we
> still have time and reasonable reserves available.  Those alternative
> technologies will only start to make real inroads into the world's vehicle
> fleets when the economics of the total lifetime vehicle cost including fuel
> matches or falls below that associated with the mainstream fossil burning
> vehicles we know today.
>
>
> Skutr

Hi Emile,

I think it would be very revealing of the electric lobby if, along with
their statements of how non-polluting the vehicle is and how low running
costs are they were also required to tell us - up front - at least the
following information:

1.  Just how much pollution (of all types) was generated in the construction
of the vehicle and all of its components
2.  Just how much pollution is created in the generation and distribution of
the electricity used to keep the vehicle "recharged".
3.  The real life (km or years or recharge cycles) of any battery packs and
the real cost of replacement to the owner.
4.  How much pollution is created when a battery pack is replaced.
5.  How much pollution will be created when the vehicle is finally scrapped.

If all of this was known and public data then I suspect the argument - on
environmental grounds - for electric would be much weaker.

BUT,  when you look at the fact that there is only a finite amount of fossil
fuel available then it makes sense to search for an alternative while we
still have time and reasonable reserves available.  Those alternative
technologies will only start to make real inroads into the world's vehicle
fleets when the economics of the total lifetime vehicle cost including fuel
matches or falls below that associated with the mainstream fossil burning
vehicles we know today.


Skutr

-----Original Message-----
From: maxi-scooters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:maxi-scooters@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Emile Nossin
Sent: Wednesday, 11 November 2009 9:02 AM
To: maxi-scooters@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [maxi-scooters] Petrol saving measures

n Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:35 AM, howard9134 <thompsonteam@...>
wrote:
> Now that the automatic engine switch-off gizmo is becoming established in
vehicle manufacture I suppose it must only be a matter of time before some
forward-thinking Japanese car maker re-invents the pre war Rover freewheel
device whereby the car could coast downhill without the hindrance of engine
braking, or the need to overcome it by keeping a light foot on the
accelerator.
>

Old Skool... the next step is total electric. The MP3 Hybrid is the
beginning, the electric GP on the Isle of Man a sign, the Tokio show
will probably give a lot of new clues for the coming years.

E-lectric


------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

A couple of years back I got the bug to "play about" with an "almost
scooter" - a Messerschmitt KR200.  Spent about 3 months searching for one
here in Australia and eventually found one at an auction.  It was in
terrible condition and the Perspex canopy was missing - still it had great
lines and being mechanically simple I figured it would be a great
restoration project.  The other thing is that it would not take up too much
room in the garage.

Dream on!  I bailed out of the auction when it passed A$5,000.  In the end
it sold for A$18,500.  At today exch rate that's almost GBP 10,300 or
US$17,000.

Bit too rich for this scrooge!  But I can still dream.....

SKUTR



-----Original Message-----
From: maxi-scooters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:maxi-scooters@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of T i m
Sent: Tuesday, 10 November 2009 8:31 PM
To: maxi-scooters@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [maxi-scooters] Re: New Honda 125 scooter

Martyn Goodwin wrote:

>Of course NOT!  We do it as sensitive new age folks who care about the
>planet and those around us.  We care and deeply understand and appreciate
>that turning off the motor conserves scarce fossil fuel, reduces our impact
>on global warming and also reduces both visible and noise pollution in the
>immediate area.
>
>Bugger!  A pig just flew by!
>
;-)

(As it's a bit quiet and you talking of noise pollution) ... When I
worked for British Telecom my daily commute (Lambretta SX150 then
Messerschmitt KR200 then Morry Minor van) and it was very obvious the
std etiquette was to turn your engine off when you came to the crossing
and it was closed, especially if you had just seen it closed (they were
gates that actually swung across the road / track in those days and the
whole process was quite slow).

The only exceptions were sometimes in the mornings but mostly in the
evenings during the coldest winters when you were trying to get the car
windscreens clear enough to see where you were going. [1]

You would be surprised how loud a std Lambretta scooter sounded when it
was the only vehicle in the queue still with it's engine on! Luckily
that was also a reasonably good (kick) starter but I generally stopped
close to the kerb just in case it didn't at the gate opening
must_get_across start. It was sometimes a Le-Mans start as people would
often get out and go into the shop!

Funnily enough I also generally stop the engine when waiting outside the
shops or house if I'm picking someone up (even if it's *supposed* to be
a straight pick_up_and_go). I don't know if it's because of my tinnitus
but hearing someone sitting outside my house with their engine idling
for ages really grates. ;-(

Daughter has now resigned from her Tree Surgery job (she's going up to
Scotland with her b/f for a while) and the sound of her MZ 250 firing up
at 06:45 every day is something I really won't miss. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[1] The Messerschmitt had a jacket round the exhaust manifold and some
of the fan driven engine cooling air was bled off to feed it through the
car. On / Off / Flow was controlled by a cable operated valve and the
hot air fed down one of the chassis tubes to the front of the cockpit.


------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

n Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:35 AM, howard9134 <thompsonteam@...> wrote:
> Now that the automatic engine switch-off gizmo is becoming established in
vehicle manufacture I suppose it must only be a matter of time before some
forward-thinking Japanese car maker re-invents the pre war Rover freewheel
device whereby the car could coast downhill without the hindrance of engine
braking, or the need to overcome it by keeping a light foot on the accelerator.
>

Old Skool... the next step is total electric. The MP3 Hybrid is the
beginning, the electric GP on the Isle of Man a sign, the Tokio show
will probably give a lot of new clues for the coming years.

E-lectric

--- In maxi-scooters@yahoogroups.com, T i m <kitcar@...> wrote:
. I don't know if it's because of my tinnitus
> but hearing someone sitting outside my house with their engine idling
> for ages really grates. ;-(
>

Me too!! Some people seem absolutely terrified of switching their engines off
these days...you think in the summer it might be because they want to keep the
air-con on, but then they open all the windows and doors and still leave the
engine on!

TimB

Now that the automatic engine switch-off gizmo is becoming established in
vehicle manufacture I suppose it must only be a matter of time before some
forward-thinking Japanese car maker re-invents the pre war Rover freewheel
device whereby the car could coast downhill without the hindrance of engine
braking, or the need to overcome it by keeping a light foot on the accelerator.

Martyn Goodwin wrote:

>Of course NOT!  We do it as sensitive new age folks who care about the
>planet and those around us.  We care and deeply understand and appreciate
>that turning off the motor conserves scarce fossil fuel, reduces our impact
>on global warming and also reduces both visible and noise pollution in the
>immediate area.
>
>Bugger!  A pig just flew by!
>
;-)

(As it's a bit quiet and you talking of noise pollution) ... When I
worked for British Telecom my daily commute (Lambretta SX150 then
Messerschmitt KR200 then Morry Minor van) and it was very obvious the
std etiquette was to turn your engine off when you came to the crossing
and it was closed, especially if you had just seen it closed (they were
gates that actually swung across the road / track in those days and the
whole process was quite slow).

The only exceptions were sometimes in the mornings but mostly in the
evenings during the coldest winters when you were trying to get the car
windscreens clear enough to see where you were going. [1]

You would be surprised how loud a std Lambretta scooter sounded when it
was the only vehicle in the queue still with it's engine on! Luckily
that was also a reasonably good (kick) starter but I generally stopped
close to the kerb just in case it didn't at the gate opening
must_get_across start. It was sometimes a Le-Mans start as people would
often get out and go into the shop!

Funnily enough I also generally stop the engine when waiting outside the
shops or house if I'm picking someone up (even if it's *supposed* to be
a straight pick_up_and_go). I don't know if it's because of my tinnitus
but hearing someone sitting outside my house with their engine idling
for ages really grates. ;-(

Daughter has now resigned from her Tree Surgery job (she's going up to
Scotland with her b/f for a while) and the sound of her MZ 250 firing up
at 06:45 every day is something I really won't miss. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[1] The Messerschmitt had a jacket round the exhaust manifold and some
of the fan driven engine cooling air was bled off to feed it through the
car. On / Off / Flow was controlled by a cable operated valve and the
hot air fed down one of the chassis tubes to the front of the cockpit.

Of course NOT!  We do it as sensitive new age folks who care about the
planet and those around us.  We care and deeply understand and appreciate
that turning off the motor conserves scarce fossil fuel, reduces our impact
on global warming and also reduces both visible and noise pollution in the
immediate area.

Bugger!  A pig just flew by!

SKUTR

-----Original Message-----
From: maxi-scooters@yahoogroups.com [mailto:maxi-scooters@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of T i m
Sent: Tuesday, 10 November 2009 11:39 AM
To: maxi-scooters@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [maxi-scooters] Re: New Honda 125 scooter

Tim wrote:

>>Just out of interest, I wonder how many people turn their engines off
>>when held up for any reasonable time ... like at railway crossings etc?
>>
>>
>>
>
>I do! I'll even cut the engine at some traffic lights if they are likely to
be a long time..
>
>
I wonder if we do that because fuel has always been much more expensive
here than it has in many countries? ;-)

Cheers, T i m


------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

Tim wrote:

>>Just out of interest, I wonder how many people turn their engines off
>>when held up for any reasonable time ... like at railway crossings etc?
>>
>>
>>
>
>I do! I'll even cut the engine at some traffic lights if they are likely to be
a long time..
>
>
I wonder if we do that because fuel has always been much more expensive
here than it has in many countries? ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Since the s/wing does not use much gas over a short period of time on idle,
I rarely shut it down during a trip.... I figure the gas used is not as
great as the wear and tear on the components.

Arne
.
Saving just one animal won't change the world ... but surely, the world will
change for that one animal.
.
A house is not a home without a border collie (Arne)
.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim" <tim.bounds@...>
To: <maxi-scooters@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 2:12 PM
Subject: [maxi-scooters] Re: New Honda 125 scooter


>
>
> --- In maxi-scooters@yahoogroups.com, T i m <kitcar@...> wrote:
>>
>> Tim wrote:
>>
>> >The most exciting thing about this seems to be the fact that the engine
>> >stops at traffic lights....
>> >
>> Just out of interest, I wonder how many people turn their engines off
>> when held up for any reasonable time ... like at railway crossings etc?
>>
>
> I do! I'll even cut the engine at some traffic lights if they are likely
> to be a long time..
>
> TimB
>
>
>

--- In maxi-scooters@yahoogroups.com, T i m <kitcar@...> wrote:
>
> Tim wrote:
>
> >The most exciting thing about this seems to be the fact that the engine stops
at traffic lights....
> >
> Just out of interest, I wonder how many people turn their engines off
> when held up for any reasonable time ... like at railway crossings etc?
>

I do! I'll even cut the engine at some traffic lights if they are likely to be a
long time..

TimB

Tim wrote:

>The most exciting thing about this seems to be the fact that the engine stops
at traffic lights....
>
Just out of interest, I wonder how many people turn their engines off
when held up for any reasonable time ... like at railway crossings etc?

I have done so for years with nearly all my vehicles, especially those I
know will re-start when hot at the slightest whiff of the starter
button, like the CB Two Fifty, YP250 and the old diesel Rover.

I wonder though how much 'energy' is used doing this and how long it
takes to recoup though the fuel saved (like the thing about the extra
energy used when turning on a fluorescent lighting etc). I guess in the
real world (with household lighting especially) it's probably more to do
with the lights being left on when rooms are unoccupied than the
re-starting losses. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

At 16:07 09/11/2009, Tim said:
>I agree that the alternative one is deadly boring - most people will have
fallen asleep by half way through. However, the official one is utterly
ludicrous!!!!!! Very few riders are so utterly chaotic and risk taking, most
accidents are due to inattention as much as anything, so this ad will just miss
people entirely.

I disagree - it talks to a particular type of rider, makes the point about
vulnerability regardless of blame, doesn't preach and leaves them to draw their
own conclusions.


Ian

www.voyager03.co.uk

No half measures from here on in

The most exciting thing about this seems to be the fact that the engine stops at
traffic lights....Judging by the general design, I can only think that Honda
recently gave all its product designers an extended holiday recently....


http://www.scooter-station.com/Honda-PCX-125-Idle-Stop.html

--- In maxi-scooters@yahoogroups.com, Ian Kew <fjsrider@...> wrote:
>
> At 22:55 08/11/2009, Martyn Goodwin said:
> >This is a very interesting take on MC safety - the first ad is one now being
> >shown on TV in Victoria, where I live.  The others are what some folks think
> >the ad should have been like.
> >
> >http://www.bikepoint.com.au/news/2009/-17257
>
> I think it is rather good and the one with Mick Doohan is smart too.  Clearly
they are aimed at getting the subject matter over to the audience they need to
attract in a way that they might  comprehend.
>
> I would expect the tediously boring one made by/for the Motorcycle Riders
Association would be completely ignored.
>

I agree that the alternative one is deadly boring - most people will have fallen
asleep by half way through. However, the official one is utterly ludicrous!!!!!!
Very few riders are so utterly chaotic and risk taking, most accidents are due
to inattention as much as anything, so this ad will just miss people entirely.

The Mick Doohan ad is brilliant!

TimB

At 22:55 08/11/2009, Martyn Goodwin said:
>This is a very interesting take on MC safety - the first ad is one now being
>shown on TV in Victoria, where I live.  The others are what some folks think
>the ad should have been like.
>
>http://www.bikepoint.com.au/news/2009/-17257

I think it is rather good and the one with Mick Doohan is smart too.  Clearly
they are aimed at getting the subject matter over to the audience they need to
attract in a way that they might  comprehend.

I would expect the tediously boring one made by/for the Motorcycle Riders
Association would be completely ignored.


Ian

www.voyager03.co.uk

Laziness is it's own reward