Hi Matt,



In the UK we have a sort of modern classic sector for insurance purposes
where vehicles are over 15 years old.



We can give a agreed value to the insurance company and they load the
premium over a standard Honda 750 from 1989 and then they seem to discount
the premium because nobody rides the things much these days and the risks
are lower.



Regards,



Lloyd



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[mailto:hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of liangbelee
Sent: 11 November 2009 12:53
To: hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Honda RC30 Owner's Club ] Insurance value





Some old prints (best way to keep information years ago) come into sight
coincidentally.
Stolen RC45. "Stolen in NJ 4/8/1999 VIN#:JH2RC4501RM000021 ENG #: 2000472"
It was published at http://members. <http://members.aol.com.> aol.com. The
guy says he has no insurance. Hope he got it back long ago already (the RC45
look very nice on those pictures he published).
That makes me start thinking if there is a official "insurance value" for
the RC 30 (European countries) today? In Switzerland classic car or classic
motorcycle must be older than 30 years. How insurance company value RC 30
today is more or less based on a 21 years old used bike. Don't really want
lock my RC30 in Swiss Bank safe till 2018. May be someone in this group can
give a hint. Matt





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Some old prints (best way to keep information years ago) come into sight
coincidentally.
Stolen RC45. "Stolen in NJ 4/8/1999 VIN#:JH2RC4501RM000021 ENG #: 2000472"
It was published at http://members.aol.com. The guy says he has no insurance.
Hope he got it back long ago already (the RC45 look very nice on those pictures
he published).
That makes me start thinking if there is a official "insurance value" for the RC
30 (European countries) today? In Switzerland classic car or classic motorcycle
must be older than 30 years. How insurance company value RC 30 today is more or
less based on a 21 years old used bike. Don't really want lock my RC30 in Swiss
Bank safe till 2018. May be someone in this group can give a hint.    Matt

Original UK brochures from Honda states:-

	 RC30
	 Dry wt. = 185kg

	 RC45
	 Dry wt. = 189kg kerb wt. = 212kg

	 NR750
	 Dry wt. - 223kg

I make no claim as to their accuracy, but I am of the impression Honda
don't lie about stuff like this.

I would also like to correct the mistaken impression that the NR500
never won everything. Freddie Spencer took the NR500 to victory at a
US race (cannot remember the venue). It may have been just a National
race, but he did beat Kenny Roberts though, so no small achievement.
He was also performing reasonably well at the British GP at
Silverstone before it broke down. Not an obvious success, but IMO
Honda should be applauded for attempting to do something no-one else
had the expertise, or balls to even try.

The NR500 engine was complex and time consuming to build. The race
team explained that a Suzuki RG500 engine would make about 120hp if
you spent a whole day on its meticulous assembly and if you slung it
together in a couple of hours, it STILL made 119hp. However, if you
meticulously assembled the NR500 engine, you could also achieve 120hp,
but it took about 3 days. If you 'threw' it together in a day, it
barely made 100hp. This was one of their big problems.  Oh, and cranks
cost about £10,000 ea.



On 11 Nov 2009, at 07:57, busylittleshop wrote:

>
>
> --- In hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com, arterovega
> <no_reply@...> wrote:
> >
> > The published weights by the manufacturer are:
> >
> > RC30 - 180 kg (for any RC30)
> > RC45 - 190 kg (for your Canadian RC45)
>
> Negative... published dry weights by the manufacture are right here
> to read for yourself...
>
> RC30 192kg 423lb
> RC45 190kg 419lb



Ken G i l l e t t

_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/

Probably RC30 got light weight in Europe.
185 kg (dry) / 208 kg (incl. oil, fuel, battery, tool kit)
...here to read for yourself...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/matthew-pics/4094365203/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/matthew-pics/4095126416/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/matthew-pics/4095127282/

By the way,
NC30 - 205 kg with 15 litre fuel
NR750 - 223 kg (dry)

Matt

--- In hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com, arterovega <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> The published weights by the manufacturer are:
>
> RC30 - 180 kg (for any RC30)
> RC45 - 190 kg (for your Canadian RC45)

Negative... published dry weights by the manufacture are right here to read for
yourself...

RC30 192kg 423lb
RC45 190kg 419lb

http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/uploads/1257880746/gallery_3131_51_309468.jpg
http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/uploads/1257880746/gallery_3131_51_1778.jpg

Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/
http://www.fox302.com/index.pl?s=vg&user=netters2
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55532474@N00/?saved=1
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10503451@N07/

This guy probably would be a good one to talk to about the NR's early days.

http://www.chinesemarks.com/

--- In hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com, jollyrogerxp <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> > > - The RC30 was released in 1988.
> > > - The NR750 Street bike came out in 1987.
> > > - In 1988 Joey Dunlop rode an RC30 with NACA ducts in the upper cowl.
> > > - The RC45 is lighter, faster and more compact than the RC30.
> > > - The NR500 was not a failure.
> >
> >
> > Yeah, the '87 race NR750 piloted by Mal Campbell was the only successful NR
racer - more RVF than NR, but a different beast to the '92 road going birthday
present for Sochiro.
> > Despite the doom & gloom of the NR500, Honda took away over 200 patents &
the FIA rewrote their rule book stipulating that combustion chambers be
cylindrical (alledgedly the maths involved in working out the volume was too
much for some!)
> >
> > Pete (who has read his copy of V-force too many times now!)
> >
>
> I think the most impressive feat of the NR500 that is very seldom discussed is
the fact that Honda **nearly** managed to build a 4-stroke engine with the same
power to displacement ratio as a 2-stroke engine, which is an absolutely
astounding achievement, especially in the early 'eighties.
>
> I am at work collecting all kinds of information on all the NR-series bikes,
plus some interviews with key members of the NR program and put everything into
a book at some point...
>

The published weights by the manufacturer are:

RC30 - 180 kg (for any RC30)
RC45 - 190 kg (for your Canadian RC45)

This isn't very tricky math, even for a military guy.

180 kg - 190 kg = -10 kg

You can make up all the numbers you want, they are more fictitious than Honda's.


--- In hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com, "busylittleshop"
<busylittleshop@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com, Dieter Kahsnitz <dieter@> wrote:
>
> > RC45 was actually heavier than the RC30 out of the crate.
>
> It's hard to improve on the near-perfection that was the RC30, but Honda did
it without the shadow of a doubt... the RC45 is smaller due to the cam gears on
the side and a narrower valve angle... lighter due to one less crank journal and
aluminum composite sleeves... and faster due to fuel injection and less internal
friction...
>
> RC30
> Engine weight 174.2lbs
> Dry weight 423 lbs
> Factory HP 150
>
> RC45
> Engine weight 161.8lbs 191hp
> Dry Weight 419 lbs
> Factory HP 191
>
> Honda made a 12.4lb improvement over the RC30's engine and 4lb pound
improvement over dry weight...
>
> Larry L
> 94 RC45 #2
> Have a wheelie NICE day...
> Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life...
> If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
> V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
> 1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
> Yank and bank your brains loose...
> http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
> http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/
> http://www.fox302.com/index.pl?s=vg&user=netters2
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/55532474@N00/?saved=1
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/10503451@N07/
>

Gaz

There was an owner over in Manchester, I have not been in touch with him for
some while now but he got a sheet from a shop / outlet that used to supply the
Aviation Industry, apparently the foam has some flame retardant properties??? It
was a direct match, but have not personally seen it.

As for a template, not a problem, contact me off line with your details and I
will send them over to you

Clinty

--- In hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com, "cherrypickergaz" <chipywatson@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello everybody,Most of the insulation on the inside of the bodywork on my 30
is worn away or missing.As anybody out there got any idea What sort of foam is
it made from,and because it is no longer available. As anyone got or able to
make paper/card templates.So we can all cut are own.
> Cheers Gaz
>

Hello everybody,Most of the insulation on the inside of the bodywork on my 30 is
worn away or missing.As anybody out there got any idea What sort of foam is it
made from,and because it is no longer available. As anyone got or able to make
paper/card templates.So we can all cut are own.
Cheers Gaz

--- In hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com, Dieter Kahsnitz <dieter@...> wrote:

> RC45 was actually heavier than the RC30 out of the crate.

It's hard to improve on the near-perfection that was the RC30, but Honda did it
without the shadow of a doubt... the RC45 is smaller due to the cam gears on the
side and a narrower valve angle... lighter due to one less crank journal and
aluminum composite sleeves... and faster due to fuel injection and less internal
friction...

RC30
Engine weight 174.2lbs
Dry weight 423 lbs
Factory HP 150

RC45
Engine weight 161.8lbs 191hp
Dry Weight 419 lbs
Factory HP 191

Honda made a 12.4lb improvement over the RC30's engine and 4lb pound improvement
over dry weight...

Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/
http://www.fox302.com/index.pl?s=vg&user=netters2
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55532474@N00/?saved=1
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10503451@N07/

> > - The RC30 was released in 1988.
> > - The NR750 Street bike came out in 1987.
> > - In 1988 Joey Dunlop rode an RC30 with NACA ducts in the upper cowl.
> > - The RC45 is lighter, faster and more compact than the RC30.
> > - The NR500 was not a failure.
>
>
> Yeah, the '87 race NR750 piloted by Mal Campbell was the only successful NR
racer - more RVF than NR, but a different beast to the '92 road going birthday
present for Sochiro.
> Despite the doom & gloom of the NR500, Honda took away over 200 patents & the
FIA rewrote their rule book stipulating that combustion chambers be cylindrical
(alledgedly the maths involved in working out the volume was too much for some!)
>
> Pete (who has read his copy of V-force too many times now!)
>

I think the most impressive feat of the NR500 that is very seldom discussed is
the fact that Honda **nearly** managed to build a 4-stroke engine with the same
power to displacement ratio as a 2-stroke engine, which is an absolutely
astounding achievement, especially in the early 'eighties.

I am at work collecting all kinds of information on all the NR-series bikes,
plus some interviews with key members of the NR program and put everything into
a book at some point...

> - The RC30 was released in 1988.
> - The NR750 Street bike came out in 1987.
> - In 1988 Joey Dunlop rode an RC30 with NACA ducts in the upper cowl.
> - The RC45 is lighter, faster and more compact than the RC30.
> - The NR500 was not a failure.


Yeah, the '87 race NR750 piloted by Mal Campbell was the only successful NR
racer - more RVF than NR, but a different beast to the '92 road going birthday
present for Sochiro.
Despite the doom & gloom of the NR500, Honda took away over 200 patents & the
FIA rewrote their rule book stipulating that combustion chambers be cylindrical
(alledgedly the maths involved in working out the volume was too much for some!)

Pete (who has read his copy of V-force too many times now!)

Gonna have it at Oran Park too aren`t you?
Already got the time organised, leaving Qld Thursday next week.

  Ed.

--- On Tue, 10/11/09, Maurice Rissman <maurice@...> wrote:

> From: Maurice Rissman <maurice@...>
> Subject: RE: [Honda RC30 Owner's Club ] Re: History Forgotten
> To: hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Tuesday, 10 November, 2009, 3:16 PM
> LOL Dieter did you get out to the Jap
> bike display down your way a couple of
> weeks back?  The only RC40 in Oz was on display.
>
>
>
>   _____ 
>
> From: hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Dieter Kahsnitz
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 November 2009 3:08 PM
> To: hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Honda RC30 Owner's Club ] Re: History
> Forgotten
>
>
>
>  
>
> If it wasn¹t for the NR500, we wouldn¹t have had the
> NR750 ­ the race bike
> version from the late 80¹s that Mal Campbell won a race in
> the Aussie SBK
> series on, and we wouldn¹t have had the GORGEOUS NR750
> from 92 ­ still the
> most beautiful bike ever made. I love Å’em, I want a piston
> to put on my
> coffee table, I want one to own and ride, hell, I¹d even
> sleep with it.
> No...really I would.
>
> Dieter
>
> On 10/11/09 2:50 PM, "arterovega" <no_reply@yahoogroup
> <mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> s.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, you are quite correct on everything. I just put
> down what Honda said.
> If
> > it was the 60's I could understand some short term
> memory loss (free love
> and
> > LSD can do that to a guy) but these bikes were from
> the 80's and 90's!
> >
> > Yes the NR500 was cool, it just was not a the right
> tool for the job.
> >
> > Art.
> >
> > --- In hondarc30ownersclub
> <mailto:hondarc30ownersclub2%40yahoogroups.com>
> 2@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:hondarc30ownersclub2%40yahoogroups.com>
> , Dieter Kahsnitz
> <dieter@...>
> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Not sure your details are correct there, I
> think street NR was 1992,
> the
> >> > RC45 was actually heavier than the RC30 out
> of the crate and the NR500,
> >> > never won anything, crashed and burned on its
> first corner on its first
> >> race
> >> > and was dumped by Honda as a GP race bike.
> Whether this makes it a
> failure
> >> > is debatable, but for a race bike to be a
> winner (not a failure), it
> needs
> >> > to win. It was way cool though, and easily
> the most interesting GP for
> mine
> >> > ever made.
> >> >
> >> > Dieter
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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To: hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com
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I'm the leader of the pack.

On 10/11/09 3:33 PM, "Maurice Rissman" <maurice@yolo.
<mailto:maurice%40yolo.com.au> com.au> wrote:

> „all sorts of freaks waving and giving me the thumbs up‰
>
>
>
> Well we‚re talking Victorian‚s here, so no real surprise, the place is
> overflowing with weirdo‚s :-)
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: hondarc30ownersclub <mailto:hondarc30ownersclub2%40yahoogroups.com>
2@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:hondarc30ownersclub
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> Sent: Tuesday, 10 November 2009 3:24 PM
> To: hondarc30ownersclub <mailto:hondarc30ownersclub2%40yahoogroups.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Honda RC30 Owner's Club ] Re: History Forgotten
>
>
>
>
>
> No - I was in Noosa tanning my arse. I heard about it though. I would have
> rather been in Healesville! It sounded like a great day...next year I
> suppose. BTW, I finished the RC30 - it's just gorgeous. I rode it on the
> weekend and had all sorts of freaks waving and giving me the thumbs up.
> Maybe it was because I was naked, but it MAY have been the bike. Not sure.
>
> On 10/11/09 3:16 PM, "Maurice Rissman" <maurice@yolo.
> <mailto:maurice%40yolo.com.au> com.au> wrote:
>
>> LOL Dieter did you get out to the Jap bike display down your way a couple
> of
>> weeks back? The only RC40 in Oz was on display.
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
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> 2@yahoogroups. <mailto:2%40yahoogroups.com> com
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>> To: hondarc30ownersclub <mailto:hondarc30ownersclub2%40yahoogroups.com>
> 2@yahoogroups. <mailto:2%40yahoogroups.com> com
>> Subject: Re: [Honda RC30 Owner's Club ] Re: History Forgotten
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If it wasn’t for the NR500, we wouldn’t have had the NR750 – the race
bike
>> version from the late 80’s that Mal Campbell won a race in the Aussie SBK
>> series on, and we wouldn’t have had the GORGEOUS NR750 from 92 – still
the
>> most beautiful bike ever made. I love ‘em, I want a piston to put on my
>> coffee table, I want one to own and ride, hell, I’d even sleep with it.
>> No...really I would.
>>
>> Dieter
>>
>> On 10/11/09 2:50 PM, "arterovega" <no_reply@yahoogroup
>> <mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> s.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, you are quite correct on everything. I just put down what Honda
> said.
>> If
>>> it was the 60's I could understand some short term memory loss (free
love
>> and
>>> LSD can do that to a guy) but these bikes were from the 80's and 90's!
>>>
>>> Yes the NR500 was cool, it just was not a the right tool for the job.
>>>
>>> Art.
>>>
>>> --- In hondarc30ownersclub
> <mailto:hondarc30ownersclub2%40yahoogroups.com>
>> 2@yahoogroups. <mailto:2%40yahoogroups.com> com
>>> <mailto:hondarc30ownersclub2%40yahoogroups.com> , Dieter Kahsnitz
>> <dieter@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure your details are correct there, I think street NR was 1992,
>> the
>>>>> RC45 was actually heavier than the RC30 out of the crate and the
NR500,
>>>>> never won anything, crashed and burned on its first corner on its
first
>>>> race
>>>>> and was dumped by Honda as a GP race bike. Whether this makes it a
>> failure
>>>>> is debatable, but for a race bike to be a winner (not a failure), it
>> needs
>>>>> to win. It was way cool though, and easily the most interesting GP for
>> mine
>>>>> ever made.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dieter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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On 10/11/09 3:33 PM, "Maurice Rissman" <maurice@...> wrote:

> „all sorts of freaks waving and giving me the thumbs up‰
>
>
>
> Well we‚re talking Victorian‚s here, so no real surprise, the place is
> overflowing with weirdo‚s :-)
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dieter Kahsnitz
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 November 2009 3:24 PM
> To: hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Honda RC30 Owner's Club ] Re: History Forgotten
>
>
>
>
>
> No - I was in Noosa tanning my arse. I heard about it though. I would have
> rather been in Healesville! It sounded like a great day...next year I
> suppose. BTW, I finished the RC30 - it's just gorgeous. I rode it on the
> weekend and had all sorts of freaks waving and giving me the thumbs up.
> Maybe it was because I was naked, but it MAY have been the bike. Not sure.
>
> On 10/11/09 3:16 PM, "Maurice Rissman" <maurice@yolo.
> <mailto:maurice%40yolo.com.au> com.au> wrote:
>
>> LOL Dieter did you get out to the Jap bike display down your way a couple
> of
>> weeks back? The only RC40 in Oz was on display.
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: hondarc30ownersclub <mailto:hondarc30ownersclub2%40yahoogroups.com>
> 2@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:hondarc30ownersclub
> <mailto:hondarc30ownersclub2%40yahoogroups.com> 2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Dieter Kahsnitz
>> Sent: Tuesday, 10 November 2009 3:08 PM
>> To: hondarc30ownersclub <mailto:hondarc30ownersclub2%40yahoogroups.com>
> 2@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Honda RC30 Owner's Club ] Re: History Forgotten
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If it wasn’t for the NR500, we wouldn’t have had the NR750 – the race
bike
>> version from the late 80’s that Mal Campbell won a race in the Aussie SBK
>> series on, and we wouldn’t have had the GORGEOUS NR750 from 92 – still
the
>> most beautiful bike ever made. I love ‘em, I want a piston to put on my
>> coffee table, I want one to own and ride, hell, I’d even sleep with it.
>> No...really I would.
>>
>> Dieter
>>
>> On 10/11/09 2:50 PM, "arterovega" <no_reply@yahoogroup
>> <mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> s.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, you are quite correct on everything. I just put down what Honda
> said.
>> If
>>> it was the 60's I could understand some short term memory loss (free love
>> and
>>> LSD can do that to a guy) but these bikes were from the 80's and 90's!
>>>
>>> Yes the NR500 was cool, it just was not a the right tool for the job.
>>>
>>> Art.
>>>
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>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure your details are correct there, I think street NR was 1992,
>> the
>>>>> RC45 was actually heavier than the RC30 out of the crate and the NR500,
>>>>> never won anything, crashed and burned on its first corner on its first
>>>> race
>>>>> and was dumped by Honda as a GP race bike. Whether this makes it a
>> failure
>>>>> is debatable, but for a race bike to be a winner (not a failure), it
>> needs
>>>>> to win. It was way cool though, and easily the most interesting GP for
>> mine
>>>>> ever made.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dieter
>>>>>
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“all sorts of freaks waving and giving me the thumbs up”



Well we’re talking Victorian’s here, so no real surprise, the place is
overflowing with weirdo’s :-)



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From: hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dieter Kahsnitz
Sent: Tuesday, 10 November 2009 3:24 PM
To: hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Honda RC30 Owner's Club ] Re: History Forgotten





No - I was in Noosa tanning my arse. I heard about it though. I would have
rather been in Healesville! It sounded like a great day...next year I
suppose. BTW, I finished the RC30 - it's just gorgeous. I rode it on the
weekend and had all sorts of freaks waving and giving me the thumbs up.
Maybe it was because I was naked, but it MAY have been the bike. Not sure.

On 10/11/09 3:16 PM, "Maurice Rissman" <maurice@yolo.
<mailto:maurice%40yolo.com.au> com.au> wrote:

> LOL Dieter did you get out to the Jap bike display down your way a couple
of
> weeks back? The only RC40 in Oz was on display.
>
>
>
> _____
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2@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:hondarc30ownersclub
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Of Dieter Kahsnitz
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 November 2009 3:08 PM
> To: hondarc30ownersclub <mailto:hondarc30ownersclub2%40yahoogroups.com>
2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Honda RC30 Owner's Club ] Re: History Forgotten
>
>
>
>
>
> If it wasn¹t for the NR500, we wouldn¹t have had the NR750 ­ the race bike
> version from the late 80¹s that Mal Campbell won a race in the Aussie SBK
> series on, and we wouldn¹t have had the GORGEOUS NR750 from 92 ­ still the
> most beautiful bike ever made. I love Œem, I want a piston to put on my
> coffee table, I want one to own and ride, hell, I¹d even sleep with it.
> No...really I would.
>
> Dieter
>
> On 10/11/09 2:50 PM, "arterovega" <no_reply@yahoogroup
> <mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> s.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, you are quite correct on everything. I just put down what Honda
said.
> If
>> it was the 60's I could understand some short term memory loss (free love
> and
>> LSD can do that to a guy) but these bikes were from the 80's and 90's!
>>
>> Yes the NR500 was cool, it just was not a the right tool for the job.
>>
>> Art.
>>
>> --- In hondarc30ownersclub
<mailto:hondarc30ownersclub2%40yahoogroups.com>
> 2@yahoogroups. <mailto:2%40yahoogroups.com> com
>> <mailto:hondarc30ownersclub2%40yahoogroups.com> , Dieter Kahsnitz
> <dieter@...>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not sure your details are correct there, I think street NR was 1992,
> the
>>>> RC45 was actually heavier than the RC30 out of the crate and the NR500,
>>>> never won anything, crashed and burned on its first corner on its first
>>> race
>>>> and was dumped by Honda as a GP race bike. Whether this makes it a
> failure
>>>> is debatable, but for a race bike to be a winner (not a failure), it
> needs
>>>> to win. It was way cool though, and easily the most interesting GP for
> mine
>>>> ever made.
>>>>
>>>> Dieter
>>>>
>>>>
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No - I was in Noosa tanning my arse. I heard about it though. I would have
rather been in Healesville! It sounded like a great day...next year I
suppose. BTW, I finished the RC30 - it's just gorgeous. I rode it on the
weekend and had all sorts of freaks waving and giving me the thumbs up.
Maybe it was because I was naked, but it MAY have been the bike. Not sure.


On 10/11/09 3:16 PM, "Maurice Rissman" <maurice@...> wrote:

> LOL Dieter did you get out to the Jap bike display down your way a couple of
> weeks back?  The only RC40 in Oz was on display.
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dieter Kahsnitz
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 November 2009 3:08 PM
> To: hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Honda RC30 Owner's Club ] Re: History Forgotten
>
>
>
>
>
> If it wasn¹t for the NR500, we wouldn¹t have had the NR750 ­ the race bike
> version from the late 80¹s that Mal Campbell won a race in the Aussie SBK
> series on, and we wouldn¹t have had the GORGEOUS NR750 from 92 ­ still the
> most beautiful bike ever made. I love Œem, I want a piston to put on my
> coffee table, I want one to own and ride, hell, I¹d even sleep with it.
> No...really I would.
>
> Dieter
>
> On 10/11/09 2:50 PM, "arterovega" <no_reply@yahoogroup
> <mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> s.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, you are quite correct on everything. I just put down what Honda said.
> If
>> it was the 60's I could understand some short term memory loss (free love
> and
>> LSD can do that to a guy) but these bikes were from the 80's and 90's!
>>
>> Yes the NR500 was cool, it just was not a the right tool for the job.
>>
>> Art.
>>
>> --- In hondarc30ownersclub <mailto:hondarc30ownersclub2%40yahoogroups.com>
> 2@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:hondarc30ownersclub2%40yahoogroups.com> , Dieter Kahsnitz
> <dieter@...>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not sure your details are correct there, I think street NR was 1992,
> the
>>>> RC45 was actually heavier than the RC30 out of the crate and the NR500,
>>>> never won anything, crashed and burned on its first corner on its first
>>> race
>>>> and was dumped by Honda as a GP race bike. Whether this makes it a
> failure
>>>> is debatable, but for a race bike to be a winner (not a failure), it
> needs
>>>> to win. It was way cool though, and easily the most interesting GP for
> mine
>>>> ever made.
>>>>
>>>> Dieter
>>>>
>>>>
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LOL Dieter did you get out to the Jap bike display down your way a couple of
weeks back?  The only RC40 in Oz was on display.



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[mailto:hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dieter Kahsnitz
Sent: Tuesday, 10 November 2009 3:08 PM
To: hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Honda RC30 Owner's Club ] Re: History Forgotten





If it wasn¹t for the NR500, we wouldn¹t have had the NR750 ­ the race bike
version from the late 80¹s that Mal Campbell won a race in the Aussie SBK
series on, and we wouldn¹t have had the GORGEOUS NR750 from 92 ­ still the
most beautiful bike ever made. I love Œem, I want a piston to put on my
coffee table, I want one to own and ride, hell, I¹d even sleep with it.
No...really I would.

Dieter

On 10/11/09 2:50 PM, "arterovega" <no_reply@yahoogroup
<mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> s.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, you are quite correct on everything. I just put down what Honda said.
If
> it was the 60's I could understand some short term memory loss (free love
and
> LSD can do that to a guy) but these bikes were from the 80's and 90's!
>
> Yes the NR500 was cool, it just was not a the right tool for the job.
>
> Art.
>
> --- In hondarc30ownersclub <mailto:hondarc30ownersclub2%40yahoogroups.com>
2@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:hondarc30ownersclub2%40yahoogroups.com> , Dieter Kahsnitz
<dieter@...>
> wrote:
>> >
>> > Not sure your details are correct there, I think street NR was 1992,
the
>> > RC45 was actually heavier than the RC30 out of the crate and the NR500,
>> > never won anything, crashed and burned on its first corner on its first
>> race
>> > and was dumped by Honda as a GP race bike. Whether this makes it a
failure
>> > is debatable, but for a race bike to be a winner (not a failure), it
needs
>> > to win. It was way cool though, and easily the most interesting GP for
mine
>> > ever made.
>> >
>> > Dieter
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
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>
>
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If it wasn¹t for the NR500, we wouldn¹t have had the NR750 ­ the race bike
version from the late 80¹s that Mal Campbell won a race in the Aussie SBK
series on, and we wouldn¹t have had the GORGEOUS NR750 from 92 ­ still the
most beautiful bike ever made. I love Œem, I want a piston to put on my
coffee table, I want one to own and ride, hell, I¹d even sleep with it.
No...really I would.

Dieter


On 10/11/09 2:50 PM, "arterovega" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, you are quite correct on everything. I just put down what Honda said. If
> it was the 60's I could understand some short term memory loss (free love and
> LSD can do that to a guy) but these bikes were from the 80's and 90's!
>
> Yes the NR500 was cool, it just was not a the right tool for the job.
>
> Art.
>
> --- In hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:hondarc30ownersclub2%40yahoogroups.com> , Dieter Kahsnitz <dieter@...>
> wrote:
>> >
>> > Not sure your details are correct there, I think street NR was 1992, the
>> > RC45 was actually heavier than the RC30 out of the crate and the NR500,
>> > never won anything, crashed and burned on its first corner on its first
>> race
>> > and was dumped by Honda as a GP race bike. Whether this makes it a failure
>> > is debatable, but for a race bike to be a winner (not a failure), it needs
>> > to win. It was way cool though, and easily the most interesting GP for mine
>> > ever made.
>> >
>> > Dieter
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>
>
>
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yes, you are quite correct on everything. I just put down what Honda said. If it
was the 60's I could understand some short term memory loss (free love and LSD
can do that to a guy) but these bikes were from the 80's and 90's!

Yes the NR500 was cool, it just was not a the right tool for the job.

Art.

--- In hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com, Dieter Kahsnitz <dieter@...> wrote:
>
> Not sure your details are correct there, I think street NR was 1992, the
> RC45 was actually heavier than the RC30 out of the crate and the NR500,
> never won anything, crashed and burned on its first corner on its first race
> and was dumped by Honda as a GP race bike. Whether this makes it a failure
> is debatable, but for a race bike to be a winner (not a failure), it needs
> to win. It was way cool though, and easily the most interesting GP for mine
> ever made.
>
> Dieter
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Not sure your details are correct there, I think street NR was 1992, the
RC45 was actually heavier than the RC30 out of the crate and the NR500,
never won anything, crashed and burned on its first corner on its first race
and was dumped by Honda as a GP race bike. Whether this makes it a failure
is debatable, but for a race bike to be a winner (not a failure), it needs
to win. It was way cool though, and easily the most interesting GP for mine
ever made.

Dieter


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I was looking at American Honda's web site to gain some insight into the VFR1200
abortion, and maybe find out where it all went ugly. I could not figure out what
happened with the 1200F but I did learn a lot about the history of their V4
machines.

- The RC30 was released in 1988.
- The NR750 Street bike came out in 1987.
- In 1988 Joey Dunlop rode an RC30 with NACA ducts in the upper cowl.
- The RC45 is lighter, faster and more compact than the RC30.
- The NR500 was not a failure.

Art.

"after all it was Honda's last exciting V4 not to mention Pure Sex On Wheels..."

I know you were strictly talking about production bikes, but the RCV212.....!  
Kinda makes the 45 more like a snail trail!  ;)

I don't think there'll be much chance of the dies being modded there for a road
going 1000, but you can ask your pals? Shame most of that stuff ends up in the
skip....    :(

On a really sad note, I seen the first salter this morning... WD40 Sunday is
looming!

Pete

--- In hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com, rcfirdy <no_reply@...> wrote:


>  JESUS.WELL IF THAT IS TRUE,THEN THINGS ARE EVEN WORSE THAN I
>SUSPECTED.BECAUSE ITS THE CHEMISTS AND ENGINEERS WHO ARE CONCOCTING >THESE
BORING,UGLY BIKES.ALL HOPE IS LOST.

There is hope... I will forward your "BORING, UGLY BIKE" concerns in person to
Paul Venture and Matt Cardenas who are employed at Honda R&D research analyst
motorcycle research product planning... they plan to visit the Busy Little Shop
and take a spin on Mr.RC45... after all it was Honda's last exciting V4 not to
mention Pure Sex On Wheels...

Paul Venture...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2011/3710884738_354da4b40f_b.jpg

Matt Cardenas...
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3418/3710884734_3b980226c5_b.jpg

Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/
http://www.fox302.com/index.pl?s=vg&user=netters2
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55532474@N00/?saved=1
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10503451@N07/

--- In hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com, babbiona5247 <babbiona5247@...>
wrote:
>
> eheheuauauauauauehehehe ....ops...


   i thought you might say that!

eheheuauauauauauehehehe ....ops...


--- Dom 8/11/09, rcfirdy <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> ha scritto:

Da: rcfirdy <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
Oggetto: R: [Honda RC30 Owner's Club ] Re: Homologation Specials:   Ratings -??
A: hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com
Data: Domenica 8 novembre 2009, 14:15



--- In hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com, babbiona5247 <babbiona5247@...>
wrote:

> i am italian, and i love to buy a aprilia v4 , but, theres a but , 20000 euros
for a bike that has no " history on her shoulder" ....CUT THEM SOME SLACK.IT'S
ONLY IN IT'S FIRST YEAR OF COMPETITION AND I'D SAY IT'S DOING VERY WELL,WITH AN
OLD GUY RIDING IT.

  has no  driven gears cams........IT COULD BE WORSE.YOU COULD BE PAYING EVEN
MORE FOR A BIKE WITH TWO SHITTY RUBBER BELTS DRIVING THE VALVE GEAR.





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--- In hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com, "busylittleshop"
<busylittleshop@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com, rcfirdy <no_reply@> wrote:
>
> >   dont hold out for honda to build your dream bike.they are just a >faceless
corporation now,driven by bean counters and the almighty >dollar.
>
> Negative...
>
> Takeo Fukui the president and CEO of Honda Motor Co holds a degree in Applied
Chemistry... Tetsuo Suzuki president HRC holds degrees in engineering... the
bean counters work over at the Audit Office and have no say in the products...
>
> Larry L

  JESUS.WELL IF THAT IS TRUE,THEN THINGS ARE EVEN WORSE THAN I SUSPECTED.BECAUSE
ITS THE CHEMISTS AND ENGINEERS WHO ARE CONCOCTING THESE BORING,UGLY BIKES.ALL
HOPE IS LOST.

>>   dont hold out for honda to build your dream bike.they are just a >faceless
corporation now,driven by bean counters and the almighty >dollar.
>
>Negative...
>
>Takeo Fukui the president and CEO of Honda Motor Co holds a degree in Applied
Chemistry... Tetsuo Suzuki president HRC holds degrees in engineering... the
bean counters work over at the Audit Office and have no say in the products...

LOL!
QW

--- In hondarc30ownersclub2@yahoogroups.com, rcfirdy <no_reply@...> wrote:

>   dont hold out for honda to build your dream bike.they are just a >faceless
corporation now,driven by bean counters and the almighty >dollar.

Negative...

Takeo Fukui the president and CEO of Honda Motor Co holds a degree in Applied
Chemistry... Tetsuo Suzuki president HRC holds degrees in engineering... the
bean counters work over at the Audit Office and have no say in the products...

Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/
http://www.fox302.com/index.pl?s=vg&user=netters2
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55532474@N00/?saved=1
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10503451@N07/

I know that the Italians and Japanese have a different philosophy, but how great
it would be if Honda were to build a bike similar to Ducati.

The 30,45 and NR750  are great, but the SP, SPS, DD16  go to another level.

I love the 30 and 45, but I wait in hope of another racer for the road, before I
am too old [I collect my OAP next month  :-( ]

Dave.