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#38685 From: "rmcielwain" <rmcielwain@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:15 am
Subject: Re: Greyhound back in the Kansas City to MSP market 		rmcielwain
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Can't remember the last time Greyhound was in Fort Smith, but now they have two
runs in each direction from Memphis to Little Rock, Fort Smith & Oklahoma City
(run nos. 1359 & 1364 are thru between Memphis-Los Angeles), while Jefferson
continues with the local service between Little Rock-Oklahoma City.

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#38684 From: "honeylincoln70812" <honeylincoln70812@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:03 am
Subject: Gone to the Dogs 		honeylincoln...
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Surely this is no great revelation at all but the Dog has died.  A couple days
ago I scanned Greyhound's online schedules and was mortified to see just how
much retrenchment has taken place in scheduled service.  My God!  The scarcity
of schedules is staggering.  There must be only 35-40% of schedules as compared
to just 8 or 10 years ago.  Greyhound is barely a hollowed-out shell of its
former self.  Has intercity bus passenger service essentially died?  The private
auto and discount airlines have killed the business.  I used to think from time
to time of taking at least a token ride for maybe 200-300 miles just for old
time sake.  But I just don't think I could do it, seriously.  I think I'd be too
heartbroken.  I used to cringe when the death knell would be sounded for
Greyhound, its rivals, affiliates, partners, etc.  I can now no longer stick my
head in the sand.  I now agree: The Dog has died!!!

Lloyd

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#38683 From: William Donley <ppd6989@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:53 pm
Subject: An oldie 		humanodometer
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Friends, attached is a shot of a 1942? Pullman Standard former trackless trolley, #5705.
 
Povidence RI was served by the United Electric Railway.  They were an award winning operator of trackless trolleys, and according to industry publications, would continue to lead.  They even received a new batch of trackless trolleys in 1952.
 
Suddenly, overnight, they ordered a fleet of GM 5105s in 1953, their first new GMs, and simply did away with the trackless.  The newest ones went to Cleveland, Windsor, and Boston.  The oldest were converted to run on gasoline combined with 2 speed trannies they called torque converters.  Others received Leyland diesels with the same trannies, eventually all got the Leylands. 
 
The drivers gushed over the beautiful characteristics of the trackless vehicles, and cursed and cursed the jalopy conversions they called hybrids as impossible to steer, freezing in the winter, sweltering in the summer.  But workhorses used on every run. 
 
The company name was changed from UER to United Transit Company UTC.  In 1965, the failing UTC was replaced by the Rhode Island Public Transit Authority, and when 102 new fishbowls arrived in 1966, the Pullmans were scrapped.
 
Here, 5705 loads in downtown Providence in 1963, next to an exPSCT GM.  This photo is from the Don Champlin Collection.  bill

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#38682 From: William Donley <ppd6989@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:40 pm
Subject: RE: [greyhound through express] Port Authority exhaust fumes 		humanodometer
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Friend,
 
There is a strict idling law in NYC (3 minutes) and it is occasionally enforced at the PABT.  When I drove in there for Bonanza, one would sometimes see the PA cop standing in the shadows with a stop watch. 
 
They changed their emphasis after 9-11.  The Port Authority of NY and NJ cops raced to the World Trade Center, also owned by the PANYNJ.  Of the 37 PA cops killed, 5 were from the Bus Terminal. (23? NYPD cops also died, and 343 firefighters)
 
The worst day for fumes is the day before Thanksgiving, when the Terminal is gridlocked.  Buses are jamed in the roadway trying to get in and get out and back out.  Buses loaded need to be running so the passengers don't pass out.  The streets around the terminal are gridlocked, because buses cannot get in, and therefore none can get out, and the rush hour traffic enter the Lincoln Tunnel nearby and cause more gridlock.   bill
To: greyhoundthroughexpress@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:54:07 +0000
Subject: [greyhound through express] Port Authority exhaust fumes

 
Is there some kinda of ventilation system in the Port Authority? With all those buses idling, I'm sure its not healthy to breathe the fumes in such confined quarters. I know when I arrived at the Port Authority our driver shut the bus off, just curious what the policy is there. For example, in Denver if they don't shut down they can get ticked. I know there are anti-idle policies, just curious if anyone had any more input. Thanks.



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#38681 From: flankit72
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:54 pm
Subject: Port Authority exhaust fumes 		flankit72
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Is there some kinda of ventilation system in the Port Authority? With all those
buses idling, I'm sure its not healthy to breathe the fumes in such confined
quarters. I know when I arrived at the Port Authority our driver shut the bus
off, just curious what the policy is there. For example, in Denver if they don't
shut down they can get ticked. I know there are anti-idle policies, just curious
if anyone had any more input. Thanks.

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#38680 From: bob44854 <rofoye@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:16 pm
Subject: Re: [greyhound through express] Re: Crucero-USA --- BoltBus model in Southern CA and 		bob44854
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Considering that the source was Allison, I agree that the Volvo 9700s must have the Volvo I-Shift. Frankly, since Volvo has its own tranny, I can't imagine Volvo using anything else. Do you know whether the I-Shift is similar to the ZF Astrionic?

I also have heard the bit re Prevost pursuing business in NY & NJ and I assume thus is for the longer commuter runs currently held down by MCI equipment. X3-45s again?

Bob F.


On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:48 PM, torbeaches <torbeaches@...> wrote:

I don't think they are, Bob.

I say this because the source of information for the large Greyhound order was Allison, and I have to believe that these Volvo 9700s are equipped with the Volvo I-Shift, not Allison automatics. As well, the announcement did specifically mention the Prevost X3-45.

I have learned that there may be a freeze on completing the new order - temporary one hopes - and that a total of approximately 235 X3-45s have been delivered t to to Bolt/Greyhound to date. Given that the previous two orders added up to 190 coaches, this would indicate that an additional 45 are now on the roster.

I have also heard that Prevost is actively pursuing business with New York City and NJ Transit and would use the NOVA Bus Plattsburgh, NY facility for final assembly to comply with the Buy American stipulation.

Derek

Derek Thompson
Toronto, Ontario.

--- In greyhoundthroughexpress@yahoogroups.com, bob44854 <rofoye@...> wrote:
>
> Fred -
>
> Somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 coaches. Because of all the in and outs
> with the parent Greyhound, it's tough to track.
>
> However, these coaches with the amenities mentioned on the web site, look
> like new coaches. At least 60572, which is pictured, looks like a Volvo 9700
> out of Mexico (natch) and Volvos would be new to the Americanos / Crucero
> fleet as far as I can tell.
>
> And as *busstop30 *has pointed out, it looks like the Bolt method of
> operation transplanted to the southwest. But instead of Prevost coaches they
> have Volvos which is the same company. I wonder if these 9700's are part of
> that large Greyhound Prevost order we've heard about?
>
> Bob F.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:50 AM, fgh_ca <fghoward@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW BIG THE CRUCERO OPERATION IS ?
> > NO. OF COACHES ETC.
> >
> > FRED
> >
> >
> > --- In greyhoundthroughexpress@yahoogroups.com<greyhoundthroughexpress%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "busstop30" <busstop30@> wrote:
> > >
> > > From FirstGroup plc.'s North American website on November 1st:
> > >
> > > "In its continued commitment to offering the best in leisure bus travel,
> > Crucero USA has launched an upgraded service for its customers traveling
> > between cities in Southern California and the Mexican Border. New onboard
> > features include free Wi-Fi, onboard video entertainment, added leg room and
> > power plug-ins for all gadgets (coming soon). These new amenities will allow
> > passengers to stay more productive and entertained while traveling with
> > Crucero USA.
> > >
> > > In addition, Crucero USA launched a new, user-friendly Web site,
> > www.crucero-usa.com, where passengers can purchases tickets and find
> > specials, such as fares starting at $1.
> > >
> > > "We know the economy has presented tough times for many people, and we
> > want to be part of the solution by making bus travel affordable for
> > everyone," said Al Penedo, president, Crucero USA. "By improving our onboard
> > service, we have not only upgraded the whole travel experience, but also set
> > new industry standards while providing an affordable price."
> > >
> > > For more information about this new service visit www.crucero-usa.com."
> > >
> > > Looks like First has exported the Bolt model to the Crucero operation -
> > talk about a radical departure from the traditional Greyhound approach
> > outside of the Northeast.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>



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#38679 From: James <exkapie@...>
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:53 am
Subject: Re: [greyhound through express] Remember Patrick??? 		exkapie
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Me too, Patrick!!
:o)
 
J.

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I love the job still just don't like how the companys run and certain rules


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#38678 From: stephen.malone@...
Date: Sat Nov 14, 2009 5:12 am
Subject: Re: [greyhound through express] Remember Patrick??? 		skpmalone
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Well said..     And how true this is.


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From: "ronrose sussman" <ronrose1943@...>
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Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 3:44:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [greyhound through express] Remember Patrick???

 

Years ago when I started at Arrow Line on the bottom of a seniority bid spare board one of the old timers took me aside and said to me in plain terms that I wasn't to get too concerned during slow times, take the time off and enjoy it and be ready to work the 16 - 19 day straight periods when the board was turning faster than there were men to man it.
It was further explained to me that my year's salary would most likely be made in an aggregate period of nine months and the bottom line would be just fine.  Guess what, he was right on.  So I tender this advice to all the new fellows who may be just starting out like Patrick, work as hard as you can when there is work and enjoy the rest when there is not much work.
Ron Sussman

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, Glenn Troyan <gtroyan@...> wrote:

From: Glenn Troyan <gtroyan@...>
Subject: Re: [greyhound through express] Remember Patrick???
To: greyhoundthroughexpress@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 1:56 AM

 
 
 
Hi Patrick,
 
Like any job, there are always going to be days that do not go your way.   Just hang in there and learn as much as possible and you will be surprised that your trips usually equal out with good and bad.   I have seen driver's that just worked what ever work that came their way, and at the end of the year, they had just as much money in the bank or more than the guys that were always trying to work the board to their advantage.   Since you like the job, you are still going to enjoy a lot of the trips.  Just remember, it is a lot easier than a real job that requires a lot of physical effort.  When you have a problem with a bus just remember that your predecessors had to face all the hurdles that you will face with a bus, except that they had to do it without power steering, which made everythng a whole more effort.  Any time you are working at something you like, you are head and shoulders above your counter parts who may hate their jobs.
 
Glenn
 
 
 
 
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Subject: Re: [greyhound through express] Remember Patrick???

 
I love the job still just don't like how the companys run and certain rules
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "exkapie" <exkapie@yahoo. com>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:15:50
To: <greyhoundthroughexp ress@yahoogroups .com>
Subject: [greyhound through express] Remember Patrick???

Remember Patrick Rizzo - the "youngest" Greyhound operator - working out of Pittsburg, I think it was??

When he joined Greyhound he wrote:


"I am for sure a bus nut/ fan what have you!...It helps with this job i feel as if i am getting paid for a hobby.."

That was back in September. Now, he writes:

" being on the board sucks the pay isn't fair doing a 2hour
deadhead is worthless and only aloud to sit on protection for 3 hours isn't even worth wasting a clean uniform for"

Doesn't take long for new drivers to become disillusioned, does it?






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#38677 From: ronrose sussman <ronrose1943@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: [greyhound through express] Remember Patrick??? 		ronrose1943
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Years ago when I started at Arrow Line on the bottom of a seniority bid spare board one of the old timers took me aside and said to me in plain terms that I wasn't to get too concerned during slow times, take the time off and enjoy it and be ready to work the 16 - 19 day straight periods when the board was turning faster than there were men to man it.
It was further explained to me that my year's salary would most likely be made in an aggregate period of nine months and the bottom line would be just fine.  Guess what, he was right on.  So I tender this advice to all the new fellows who may be just starting out like Patrick, work as hard as you can when there is work and enjoy the rest when there is not much work.
Ron Sussman

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, Glenn Troyan <gtroyan@...> wrote:

From: Glenn Troyan <gtroyan@...>
Subject: Re: [greyhound through express] Remember Patrick???
To: greyhoundthroughexpress@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 1:56 AM

 
 
 
Hi Patrick,
 
Like any job, there are always going to be days that do not go your way.   Just hang in there and learn as much as possible and you will be surprised that your trips usually equal out with good and bad.   I have seen driver's that just worked what ever work that came their way, and at the end of the year, they had just as much money in the bank or more than the guys that were always trying to work the board to their advantage.   Since you like the job, you are still going to enjoy a lot of the trips.  Just remember, it is a lot easier than a real job that requires a lot of physical effort.  When you have a problem with a bus just remember that your predecessors had to face all the hurdles that you will face with a bus, except that they had to do it without power steering, which made everythng a whole more effort.  Any time you are working at something you like, you are head and shoulders above your counter parts who may hate their jobs.
 
Glenn
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [greyhound through express] Remember Patrick???

 
I love the job still just don't like how the companys run and certain rules
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "exkapie" <exkapie@yahoo. com>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:15:50
To: <greyhoundthroughexp ress@yahoogroups .com>
Subject: [greyhound through express] Remember Patrick???

Remember Patrick Rizzo - the "youngest" Greyhound operator - working out of Pittsburg, I think it was??

When he joined Greyhound he wrote:


"I am for sure a bus nut/ fan what have you!...It helps with this job i feel as if i am getting paid for a hobby.."

That was back in September. Now, he writes:

" being on the board sucks the pay isn't fair doing a 2hour
deadhead is worthless and only aloud to sit on protection for 3 hours isn't even worth wasting a clean uniform for"

Doesn't take long for new drivers to become disillusioned, does it?






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#38676 From: "Glenn Troyan" <gtroyan@...>
Date: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:56 am
Subject: Re: [greyhound through express] Remember Patrick??? 		glnn_troyan
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Hi Patrick,
 
Like any job, there are always going to be days that do not go your way.   Just hang in there and learn as much as possible and you will be surprised that your trips usually equal out with good and bad.   I have seen driver's that just worked what ever work that came their way, and at the end of the year, they had just as much money in the bank or more than the guys that were always trying to work the board to their advantage.   Since you like the job, you are still going to enjoy a lot of the trips.  Just remember, it is a lot easier than a real job that requires a lot of physical effort.  When you have a problem with a bus just remember that your predecessors had to face all the hurdles that you will face with a bus, except that they had to do it without power steering, which made everythng a whole more effort.  Any time you are working at something you like, you are head and shoulders above your counter parts who may hate their jobs.
 
Glenn
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [greyhound through express] Remember Patrick???

 

I love the job still just don't like how the companys run and certain rules
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "exkapie" <exkapie@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:15:50
To: <greyhoundthroughexpress@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [greyhound through express] Remember Patrick???

Remember Patrick Rizzo - the "youngest" Greyhound operator - working out of Pittsburg, I think it was??

When he joined Greyhound he wrote:


"I am for sure a bus nut/ fan what have you!...It helps with this job i feel as if i am getting paid for a hobby.."

That was back in September. Now, he writes:

" being on the board sucks the pay isn't fair doing a 2hour
deadhead is worthless and only aloud to sit on protection for 3 hours isn't even worth wasting a clean uniform for"

Doesn't take long for new drivers to become disillusioned, does it?






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#38675 From: "NICK" <nelsongougeon@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:53 pm
Subject: RE remember patrick 		fourteennine...
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Oooops maybe they kept the other guy because of my bad spelling.Nick in illinois

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#38674 From: "NICK" <nelsongougeon@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:50 pm
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Once apon a time while i was extra boarding for trailways i had to show a guy
how to start and move his 05eagle 2 wks later his was wanting to show me.They
keeped him but not me Hmmmm Nick in illinois

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#38673 From: patransit3700@...
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:57 pm
Subject: Re: [greyhound through express] Remember Patrick??? 		patransit3700
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I love the job still just don't like how the companys run and certain rules
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "exkapie" <exkapie@...>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:15:50
To: <greyhoundthroughexpress@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [greyhound through express] Remember Patrick???

Remember Patrick Rizzo - the "youngest" Greyhound operator - working out of
Pittsburg, I think it was??

When he joined Greyhound he wrote:


"I am for sure a bus nut/ fan what have you!...It helps with this job i feel as
if i am getting paid for a hobby.."

That was back in September. Now, he writes:

" being on the board sucks the pay isn't fair doing a 2hour
deadhead  is worthless and only aloud to sit on protection for 3 hours isn't
even worth wasting a clean uniform for"

Doesn't take long for new drivers to become disillusioned, does it?






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#38672 From: "fgh_ca" <fghoward@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:01 pm
Subject: Re: Greyhound back in the Kansas City to MSP market 		fgh_ca
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Dick - hey also restored the run between Salt Lake City and Denver stopping at
all the small towns, which they had dopped in 1994. Of course there is also a
subsidy being paid to Greyhound.

Fred

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> Has the Dog returned to any other markets it had dropped.

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#38671 From: James <exkapie@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:47 pm
Subject: Re: [greyhound through express] Greyhound back in the Kansas City to MSP market 		exkapie
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They re-introduced service to Clewiston, Belle Glade and La Belle in the Florida "sugarlands" a few months ago - probably State-subsidized?
 
The run, by the way, is operated by a Miami driver, and he overnights 4 nights straight  in Ft Myers.
 
J.

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Has the Dog returned to any other markets it had dropped.



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#38670 From: "Dick Williams" <rwilliams9@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:23 pm
Subject: Greyhound back in the Kansas City to MSP market 		rjwskynet
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Interesting to see that GLI is back in a market it had given up several years
ago - Kansas City to Minneapolis. For several years Jefferson Lines has had that
market to itself but GLI has reinstated KC-MSP service with an overnite
northbound run and and afternoon southbound trip.

Also interesting that they're low balling the fare compared to JL - $58 for a
web only far on GLI vs $85 on JL.  That's a good fare on a 500 mile sked - just
over 10 cents a mile.  GLI also beats JL on time by making just one short stop
in DSM between KC and MSP - very zippy sked, 500 miles in 7 hours 40 minutes on
Sked 6424 northbound. Southbound they stop in St. Paul which adds 40 minutes for
an afternoon pickup in STP. Still only a DSM stop between St.Paul and KC.   Four
hours without a driver break DSM-MSP northbound. Long time in the saddle for the
driver.  Too long and I'd guess most work a short break stop in somewhere.

JL hits all the towns making 14 stops vs GLI's one stop northbound. Big diff in
philosophy - and JL I believe gets some state subsidies to service the small
town stops.

Shows it's important to click the button next to each separate sked to check
pricing since they may differ and in this case pretty significantly.

Has the Dog returned to any other markets it had dropped.

Glad to see the competition and choice is good for riders like me. I often need
to get to one of the small towns like Owatana or Albert Lea MN so in those cases
my only choice is still Jefferson Lines.  JL is always relatively high on fares-
20 cents a mile is common. Will be interesting to see if they respond to GLI on
the KC-MSP run.

Dick Williams
Kansas City MO

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#38669 From: "exkapie" <exkapie@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:15 pm
Subject: Remember Patrick??? 		exkapie
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Remember Patrick Rizzo - the "youngest" Greyhound operator - working out of
Pittsburg, I think it was??

When he joined Greyhound he wrote:


"I am for sure a bus nut/ fan what have you!...It helps with this job i feel as
if i am getting paid for a hobby.."

That was back in September. Now, he writes:

" being on the board sucks the pay isn't fair doing a 2hour
deadhead  is worthless and only aloud to sit on protection for 3 hours isn't
even worth wasting a clean uniform for"

Doesn't take long for new drivers to become disillusioned, does it?

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#38668 From: "torbeaches" <torbeaches@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:48 pm
Subject: [greyhound through express] Re: Crucero-USA --- BoltBus model in Southern CA and 		torbeaches
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I don't think they are, Bob.

I say this because the source of information for the large Greyhound order was
Allison, and I have to believe that these Volvo 9700s are equipped with the
Volvo I-Shift, not Allison automatics. As well, the announcement did
specifically mention the Prevost X3-45.

I have learned that there may be a freeze on completing the new order -
temporary one hopes - and that a total of approximately 235 X3-45s have been
delivered t to to Bolt/Greyhound to date. Given that the previous two orders
added up to 190 coaches, this would indicate that an additional 45 are now on
the roster.

I have also heard that Prevost is actively pursuing business with New York City
and NJ Transit and would use the NOVA Bus Plattsburgh, NY facility for final
assembly to comply with the Buy American stipulation.

Derek

Derek Thompson
Toronto, Ontario.






--- In greyhoundthroughexpress@yahoogroups.com, bob44854 <rofoye@...> wrote:
>
> Fred -
>
> Somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 coaches. Because of all the in and outs
> with the parent Greyhound, it's tough to track.
>
> However, these coaches with the amenities mentioned on the web site, look
> like new coaches. At least 60572, which is pictured, looks like a Volvo 9700
> out of Mexico (natch) and Volvos would be new to the Americanos / Crucero
> fleet as far as I can tell.
>
> And as *busstop30 *has pointed out, it looks like the Bolt method of
> operation transplanted to the southwest. But instead of Prevost coaches they
> have Volvos which is the same company. I wonder if these 9700's are part of
> that large Greyhound Prevost order we've heard about?
>
> Bob F.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:50 AM, fgh_ca <fghoward@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW BIG THE CRUCERO OPERATION IS ?
> > NO. OF COACHES ETC.
> >
> > FRED
> >
> >
> > --- In
greyhoundthroughexpress@yahoogroups.com<greyhoundthroughexpress%40yahoogroups.co\
m>,
> > "busstop30" <busstop30@> wrote:
> > >
> > > From FirstGroup plc.'s North American website on November 1st:
> > >
> > > "In its continued commitment to offering the best in leisure bus travel,
> > Crucero USA has launched an upgraded service for its customers traveling
> > between cities in Southern California and the Mexican Border. New onboard
> > features include free Wi-Fi, onboard video entertainment, added leg room and
> > power plug-ins for all gadgets (coming soon). These new amenities will allow
> > passengers to stay more productive and entertained while traveling with
> > Crucero USA.
> > >
> > > In addition, Crucero USA launched a new, user-friendly Web site,
> > www.crucero-usa.com, where passengers can purchases tickets and find
> > specials, such as fares starting at $1.
> > >
> > > "We know the economy has presented tough times for many people, and we
> > want to be part of the solution by making bus travel affordable for
> > everyone," said Al Penedo, president, Crucero USA. "By improving our onboard
> > service, we have not only upgraded the whole travel experience, but also set
> > new industry standards while providing an affordable price."
> > >
> > > For more information about this new service visit www.crucero-usa.com."
> > >
> > > Looks like First has exported the Bolt model to the Crucero operation -
> > talk about a radical departure from the traditional Greyhound approach
> > outside of the Northeast.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

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#38667 From: bob44854 <rofoye@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:49 pm
Subject: Re: [greyhound through express] Re: Crucero-USA --- BoltBus model in Southern CA and Mexico 		bob44854
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Fred -

Somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 coaches. Because of all the in and outs with the parent Greyhound, it's tough to track.

However, these coaches with the amenities mentioned on the web site, look like new coaches. At least 60572, which is pictured, looks like a Volvo 9700 out of Mexico (natch) and Volvos would be new to the Americanos / Crucero fleet as far as I can tell.

And as busstop30 has pointed out, it looks like the Bolt method of operation transplanted to the southwest. But instead of Prevost coaches they have Volvos which is the same company. I wonder if these 9700's are part of that large Greyhound Prevost order we've heard about?

Bob F.



On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:50 AM, fgh_ca <fghoward@...> wrote:
 

ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW BIG THE CRUCERO OPERATION IS ?
NO. OF COACHES ETC.

FRED



--- In greyhoundthroughexpress@yahoogroups.com, "busstop30" <busstop30@...> wrote:
>
> From FirstGroup plc.'s North American website on November 1st:
>
> "In its continued commitment to offering the best in leisure bus travel, Crucero USA has launched an upgraded service for its customers traveling between cities in Southern California and the Mexican Border. New onboard features include free Wi-Fi, onboard video entertainment, added leg room and power plug-ins for all gadgets (coming soon). These new amenities will allow passengers to stay more productive and entertained while traveling with Crucero USA.
>
> In addition, Crucero USA launched a new, user-friendly Web site, www.crucero-usa.com, where passengers can purchases tickets and find specials, such as fares starting at $1.
>
> "We know the economy has presented tough times for many people, and we want to be part of the solution by making bus travel affordable for everyone," said Al Penedo, president, Crucero USA. "By improving our onboard service, we have not only upgraded the whole travel experience, but also set new industry standards while providing an affordable price."
>
> For more information about this new service visit www.crucero-usa.com."
>
> Looks like First has exported the Bolt model to the Crucero operation - talk about a radical departure from the traditional Greyhound approach outside of the Northeast.
>



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#38666 From: "fgh_ca" <fghoward@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:50 am
Subject: Re: Crucero-USA --- BoltBus model in Southern CA and Mexico 		fgh_ca
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ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW BIG THE CRUCERO OPERATION IS ?
NO. OF COACHES ETC.

FRED



--- In greyhoundthroughexpress@yahoogroups.com, "busstop30" <busstop30@...>
wrote:
>
> From FirstGroup plc.'s North American website on November 1st:
>
> "In its continued commitment to offering the best in leisure bus travel,
Crucero USA has launched an upgraded service for its customers traveling between
cities in Southern California and the Mexican Border. New onboard features
include free Wi-Fi, onboard video entertainment, added leg room and power
plug-ins for all gadgets (coming soon). These new amenities will allow
passengers to stay more productive and entertained while traveling with Crucero
USA.
>
> In addition, Crucero USA launched a new, user-friendly Web site,
www.crucero-usa.com, where passengers can purchases tickets and find specials,
such as fares starting at $1.
>
> "We know the economy has presented tough times for many people, and we want to
be part of the solution by making bus travel affordable for everyone," said Al
Penedo, president, Crucero USA. "By improving our onboard service, we have not
only upgraded the whole travel experience, but also set new industry standards
while providing an affordable price."
>
> For more information about this new service visit www.crucero-usa.com."
>
> Looks like First has exported the Bolt model to the Crucero operation - talk
about a radical departure from the traditional Greyhound approach outside of the
Northeast.
>

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#38665 From: "busstop30" <busstop30@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:45 am
Subject: Crucero-USA --- BoltBus model in Southern CA and Mexico 		busstop30
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From FirstGroup plc.'s North American website on November 1st:

"In its continued commitment to offering the best in leisure bus travel, Crucero
USA has launched an upgraded service for its customers traveling between cities
in Southern California and the Mexican Border. New onboard features include free
Wi-Fi, onboard video entertainment, added leg room and power plug-ins for all
gadgets (coming soon). These new amenities will allow passengers to stay more
productive and entertained while traveling with Crucero USA.

In addition, Crucero USA launched a new, user-friendly Web site,
www.crucero-usa.com, where passengers can purchases tickets and find specials,
such as fares starting at $1.

"We know the economy has presented tough times for many people, and we want to
be part of the solution by making bus travel affordable for everyone," said Al
Penedo, president, Crucero USA. "By improving our onboard service, we have not
only upgraded the whole travel experience, but also set new industry standards
while providing an affordable price."

For more information about this new service visit www.crucero-usa.com."

Looks like First has exported the Bolt model to the Crucero operation - talk
about a radical departure from the traditional Greyhound approach outside of the
Northeast.

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#38664 From: Brian Francis <busstop30@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:46 pm
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At this rate, I don't even think the Picknelly's know what the announcement will be...
 
 


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#38663 From: "fgh_ca" <fghoward@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 5:03 pm
Subject: Re: [greyhound through express] New Orleans 		fgh_ca
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thanks Glenn; yes those Motor Coach Age magazines about the history of the
different Greyhound subs. are great. I have 15 of them.

Fred

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#38662 From: patransit3700@...
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 3:29 pm
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When I pulled into the port lastnite I seen a peterpan d4505 brand new didn't
know they had them buses
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:25:53
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Subject: [greyhound through express] Re: ANYBODY THERE !

We're still trying to find the big Peter Pan announcement.

--- In greyhoundthroughexpress@yahoogroups.com, "fgh_ca" <fghoward@...> wrote:
>
> It looks as though everyone is taking a break and many getting ready for
Thanksgiving.
>
> That could be a reason that we do not have any new messages or perhaps there
is just nothing to discuss about Greyhound.
>
> With runs, schedules and frequency of service cut to the bone; that may
explain the dramatic drop in fires, accidents and other  incidents.  Every  few
months we hear about terminals moving; that may explain why we hear less about
the bad bus stations.
>
> Fred
>




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#38661 From: "transportazumah" <jazumah@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 3:25 pm
Subject: Re: ANYBODY THERE ! 		transportazumah
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We're still trying to find the big Peter Pan announcement.

--- In greyhoundthroughexpress@yahoogroups.com, "fgh_ca" <fghoward@...> wrote:
>
> It looks as though everyone is taking a break and many getting ready for
Thanksgiving.
>
> That could be a reason that we do not have any new messages or perhaps there
is just nothing to discuss about Greyhound.
>
> With runs, schedules and frequency of service cut to the bone; that may
explain the dramatic drop in fires, accidents and other  incidents.  Every  few
months we hear about terminals moving; that may explain why we hear less about
the bad bus stations.
>
> Fred
>

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#38660 From: "Glenn Troyan" <gtroyan@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 2:42 pm
Subject: Re: [greyhound through express] Wrong Way!! 		glnn_troyan
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John,
 
Thanks for sharing that story, was very funny.    When I worked for Central Ohio Transit Authority we had a similar incident occur. A female operator was assigned to a Reynoldsburg Express run, which deadheaded to that park n ride and ran local for about 2 miles before hitting I-70 west to go downtown.   At I-70 she crosses over I-70 and turns left into the Eastbound entrance ramp and heads East.  Luckily, most everyone on the bus (except the bus driver) was familiar with the area and they started yelling to her letting her know she was heading the wrong way, but it was too late.   She took them all back to the park n ride exit to start their trip all over again, but this time she hit the freeway coming west.   This caused several riders to be late for work, they were not real happy.
 
Glenn
 
 
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#38659 From: "Glenn Troyan" <gtroyan@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 2:22 pm
Subject: Re: [greyhound through express] New Orleans 		glnn_troyan
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Fred,
 
OK,  was not sure when they moved to Union Station.  If you have not already,  you may want to contact the Motor Bus Society in NJ to see if they may have a photo of that terminal from the past.  I have a copy of the article that they did on Teche Greyhound, but it only includes the Teche Greyhound garage from the 40's era no terminal photo. It does include a photo of the old St. Louis terminal from the 20-30's era for future reference.  Bill Luke spent some time photographing Continental Southern in the 50's if he was in the New Orleans area doing that, I can not imagine him not getting some shots of the Greyhound station while he was in the vicinity.  Another few possible of sources you might try are the library in New Orleans or local newspaper there, either one may have a photo on microfilm from years past.  Finally, you might consider contacting  the Fed Ex public relations department to see if they have any contacts with the Smith family that may have photos of the New Orleans terminal.   Smith Motor Coach (Dixie Greyhound) interlined with Teche, maybe someone in the Smith family has a photo in their personal collection.  
 
Glenn
 
 
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Subject: Re: [greyhound through express] New Orleans

 


Hi Glenn - No, the current terminal is in the original Union Station, where they moved in 1969. The old station on Canal was there from the thirties until 1969.

fred


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#38658 From: John Lameck <johnlameck001@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 10:20 am
Subject: Re: [greyhound through express] Wrong Way!! 		johnlameck001
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Mark Fisher, Williamsburg, Virginia

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#38656 From: "fgh_ca" <fghoward@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 6:34 am
Subject: Re: ANYBODY THERE ! And San Luis Obispo Depot Links 		fgh_ca
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Ron - I had seen that article before and found it quite enjoyable. Since I did
the history of Greyhound in SLO a nd got information  from you, I immediately
went through the article when I saw San Luis Obispo in the heading.

Anytime you see anything like that, feel free to let us know.  It's all
relevant, as far as I am concerned.

Fred

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