I got this e-mail the other day, apparently it was meant it to go to the persons
addressed, and it came to me instead. It said: “I think you came on a little
strong about the ‘chicken shit club’, any mail response?”

I have nothing but appreciation and respect for the guys who reached out with
the best of intentions and good-willed efforts, and made the Flx Club happen in
the first place. It was such a good idea that it has attracted how many now,
250? 300? I need an update.

Nothing that comes out of my mouth, keyboard, or brain is meant viscously. The
intention behind what I say is meant in good-natured humor. “I wonder what he
meant by that” should always be taken as humor from me.

That WAS me who said “chicken-shit club”. Part of the SPIRIT of this club is the
campfire hangin' out stuff. Working with the wrenches is part of it, but the
interaction between people with similar interests is more appealing to me.
"chicken-shit club" was not referring to the quality of the Club, or any
disrespect of it’s traditions. It was intended to get some more communication
happening with this new “computer stuff.”. Shake the bushes and see what flies
out. I hadn’t seen much happening.

The result was a couple postings on the BB that I thought were positive. I got a
couple e-mail responses. Florida's warming up...Vermont sounds good.
The California guy can shift better now, and the West Coast Caravan is comin'
next time. All good stuff. New friends...

One guy e-mailed me directly, thought I had a bad "attitude".
That is precisely who I want to talk to.
One guy spoke up...I wonder how many others felt that way but didn’t express it?
If I have a problem (with my bus OR me), I want it fixed.
If someone else has a problem, I want that fixed too.
Why It triggered a positive reaction in some, and a negative reaction in others
is interesting to me. These are only words on a screen, the interpretation is
individual.

Felt I came on too strong?
I want the effect of my life to be: I left things better than the way I found
them.

A guy had to sell his donkey.
It was his favorite donkey...broke his heart to have to sell it.
He's interviewing buyers to find a GOOD home for it.
Finds a guy he likes, gives him the money...they go around back to get the
donkey.
Owner picks up a 2X4...smacks the donkey “a beauty” up-side the head.
The buyer is astonished..."WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?"
"You just got done telling me you wanted to find someone who would take GOOD
care of your donkey, then you turn around and go smack him with a 2X4.”
Seller says: "You can take him now...I just had to get his attention first."

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Hi folks,
Took the day off from working on my dead white elefant. It's gotten to the point
that I'm going in circles with this thing so I decided to put it aside for a
while. Today I fired up my old 650 Triumph.  I know this has nothing to do with
Flxibles but I felt the need to hear a blast from the past. The slides in the
carbs are so worn out from vibration that it's no longer possible to adjust the
idle. So I started instaling a pair of carbs from an old Moto Guzzi, should have
it civilized by tomorrow night.
About the bus, it's a '48 Flx Clipper- Visicruiser 29'. I've made a new,
slightly longer engine cradle, the old one had many stress cracks, obsolete
holes and brackets from various re-powers through the years. The new engine is a
BF6L913 Deutz air cooled diesel engine  out of a '83 GMC C7000 truck. It's a 6
liter straight 6. The motor is only slightly longer than the original straight 8
Buick engine but it produces about 400 ft/lbs torque which I think is too much
for the 265V Clark 5 speed. I'd like to use a 6 speed Allison but that only
leaves a 10 inch drive shaft. Maybe that would work, I don't know. When I placed
the motor in the new subframe I was careful to match the 5 degree angle of the
pinion shaft of the differential and to line it up straight. Maybe it would
work. The other problem is that there is no room left for the air compressor so
my plan is to add a pair of pulleys to the existing pulley on the crankshaft to
drive a pair of belts that will drive about a 3' long pto shaft along the top of
the motor that will drive the compressor. That part is a little weird but it
should work. Anyway that's what I've been up to. My goal is to be blasting down
the road by mid June. See ya, Bob Adame, Fort Collins, Colorado.

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we love readin' the chatter. this is almost as good as popcorn.  lets
talk weather.  it was mild and sunny today in southern cal. finally!
got the bus on the road today for a short test drive. think we have
the linkage problem worked out.  happpy day!!!!!! have a trip planned
for the end of april  big family campout.  hope to get some bus
converts  out of it. keep the talk comin"   ted and jeri  long beach
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> My name is Harry Lewis. My wifes is June and we have three kids.
> Doug-15,Brandi-12, and Joshua-8. We reside in jacksonville beach, fl. .
> Just north of St.augestine. We own a 47 clipper. after the Loudenville
> rally we found some  things we need to go back and change. We've already
reached 90 degrees and are hangin out
> in the air conditioning.

Hello Florida,
What did you see at the Loudenville Rally that caught your eye?
What engine/transmission set-up do you have in your Clipper?
Is your bus air conditioned?

Those of us STUCK up North here all winter are not going to listen to any
whine-y Florida weather reports until at least mid-July...when it's our turn to
gloat about the weather... My sister just moved outside of Orlando, she said the
summers down there are UNBELIEVABLY hot. She had the nerve to tell me some days
it's too hot to swim in the pool.

The trees are just starting to bud here in Pgh. The grass is just begining to
sprout up and the temp. is 60-70. I'm expecting the allergies to start any day
now. This is a pretty time of year up here.

St Augustine is the oldest Spanish settlement in Florida isn't it? What is there
to see history-wise around there? Do they like old buses down there?


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Howdy all,
   I,ve e-mailed some of you folks individually but not the board as a whole.
My name is Harry Lewis. My wifes is June and we have three kids.
Doug-15,Brandi-12, and Joshua-8. We reside in jacksonville beach, fl. .
Just north of St.augestine. We own a ,as you could guess by my e-mail address
a 47 clipper. We've had ours about 2.5 yrs. And is still in the process
of being converted. The inside is about complete, but after the Loudenville
rally we found some  things we need to go back and change. We're not going
to make it to the summer rally as we have already made plans to tour the
smoky mtns. and visit some friends. We sometimes miss the spring in the
greatlakes area of Toledo,Oh. which used to be our home . The mild temps.
in the spring are nice. We've already reached 90 degrees and are hangin out
in the air conditioning. If anyones planning a trip to fl. and need a
stop-over
point for a day or two, let us know. We're three miles from the ocean and
about 3.5 hrs. north of disney. And we have complete hookups with cable. If
any one lives in the nashville area let me know  also. We're heading up there
the end of June . Could stop by for a visit.
See ya Harry

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Hi Flx owners!!

	 I'm new to the internet and thought I'd answer some replies. I have a
1960 Flx Hi Level and am a member of FOI.  Looking forward to the rally in
Mass and would like to know more about Vermont.  We just spent a week skiing
in Stowe in Feb. with the bus.  It's a long trip for us but it might be
interesting if you have something good going on.  The weather in Pgh isn't
all that bad.  Spring is on its way.  The guy in Pgh, what model Flx do you
have?  We just got back from Texas and the maxi's wouldn't release a couple
times.  I guess I'm going to have to put on new rear brakes.  For anyone who
hasn't been to a Flx rally, they really ought to try it.  It's tons of fun!
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taking a shakedown cruise to a "Cabane a' Sucre."
> It's a 1,500 people maple sugar house (with a big parking lot). Then back to a
Vermont maple operation with 36,000 taps for coffee.
It's a real Springtime Maple Cruise you don't get to do very
> often.... especially in a Flx.

Sounds like fun. I may complain about the Pgh. winters, but at least we do the
maple sugar festivals in Feb. If the sap up there's just running now, I gotta
sympathize. Get back on how it went, and we want details.

> Lake Champlain peanutbutterfish!

Ya know, I want to believe you, it's just...
What do they do, jump in your mouth and stick to the roof?

> If you're really looking for a bus trip with some PAZAZZ.... I run a food
> festival here in Burlington, Vermont the weekend of June 25-27 featuring 40
> restaurants and Vermont Food Producers (great music all weekend from oldies
> rock... this year, The Rascals... to country, western swing and big band!).
> It's the 14th Annual Vermont Food Fest; The Green Mountain Chew Chew (train
> motif) right on the shores of Lake Champlain. I can provide bus parking
> on site (what the hell, I own it!) and would be happy to see any Flx families
> pull in for some fun and feasting! I'll gladly send further info on request!
> Cheers!
> Rick (FOI#229)

Is it a yearly thing? I heard it's awful pretty up there.

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Hey Modre@...,
Jeeze... get up on the wrong side of the bus this morning? Good note. I agree
with you and we'll take it up in Mass this July! Got a date with a movie
company in Montreal the 23rd through 26th of this month with my '57
Starliner. They are using it in a street scene. Have taken all modern gear
off the bus (like tv antenna, etc) and am taking a shakedown cruise this
Sunday to Quebec (with a dozen or so brave friends) to a "Cabane a' Sucre."
It's a 1,500 people maple sugar house (with a big parking lot) that serves
maple-laden all you can eat dinners (lots of music, Canadian beer and
sugar-on-snow). Then back to a Vermont maple operation with 36,000 taps for
coffee. It's a real Springtime Maple Cruise you don't get to do very
often.... especially in a Flx.

You think those Myrtle Beach jellyfish are bad... you ought to see the Lake
Champlain peanutbutterfish!

If you're really looking for a bus trip with some PAZAZZ.... I run a food
festival here in Burlington, Vermont the weekend of June 25-27 featuring 40
restaurants and Vermont Food Producers (great music all weekend from oldies
rock... this year, The Rascals... to country, western swing and big band!).
It's the 14th Annual Vermont Food Fest; The Green Mountain Chew Chew (train
motif) right on the shores of Lake Champlain. Good weather attendance at
60,000, bad weather attendance 40,000 wet people. I can provide bus parking
on site (what the hell, I own it!) and would be happy to see any Flx families
pull in for some fun and feasting! I'll gladly send further info on request!
Cheers!
Rick (FOI#229)

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Theres not enough chatter on this board. This is the only place I know of
specifically for Flx people. There must be something of interest someone is
doing somewhere. What kind of a chicken shit club is this??? Give me a reason to
want to belong. The original founders are either fading out, or abstractly
cruisin' the country. If the new blood doesn't pick up the slack, there won't be
any club left. Contribute. What are you doing on your bus? Did you draw blood
recently? Where have you traveled to? What did you see? What are you having
trouble with?

Last June we cruised down to Myrtle Beach. Kids were crazy about playing in the
waves, I got stung by a jellyfish. They're cruel down there if you have a
motorcycle. You can't ride thru the campgrounds, they actually make you get off
and push it like you're some errant little kid who needs to be punished. After
one day of that crap-ola, we went to the Outer Banks Rodanth KOA for 3 days. It
was absolutely beautiful. Most everyone had RV's & campers so we were quite a
conversation piece when we pulled in with a '56 Clipper. We did run into a
couple of other bus people. It was 95 degrees (80 at night)with the most
succulent constant breeze to keep the bugs away. We bought kites that looked
like birds. The crabs on the beach at night with a flashlight was fun. We went
down to the Cape Hatteras Lighthouse and ate shrimp cocktail for breakfast. Then
we saw the Wright Bros. Museum. Interesting stuff. Quite by surprise, on the way
back, we passed the garage where they built the "Gravedigger" BigFoot Killer
Truck. Of course, we had to turn around and check that out. Next we saw the new
discoveries at the Jamestown Settlement. then came up the Shenendoah Valley back
to Pgh.

Who is planning to go to Dighton, Mass. this July to sit in a field without
facilities? And who's idea was that? Next time lets do something with a little
PA-ZAZZ. Lets hear some suggestions on that. Henry Ford Museum? Dinosaur bones?
Beaches? Gorgeous Vistas? History stuff? Bus Drag-racing? Naked Bar-B-Q?

Looking forward to getting back out on the road this year. Anyone got any good
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Does anyone have any paper work or maintaince manuals on this inner city
bus?  We got nothing with it when we bought it a month ago.  It has a
Detroit diesel engine and air bag suspension. Any info will be greatly
appreciated.

John & Gerrie

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> >We bought a "73 Flx about 3 weeks ago.  Have removed all seats & installed a
lot of the interior, run electric, put the water tank under the rear bed and has
most of the bathroom in.  Still has to do the holding tanks and plumbing.
The passenger side of the bus keeps sinking. Was an inner city bus, thus it also
has a governor which we have been told, can be overridden.
Gerrie & John-NC
>

Hi guys,
First of all I've been working on mine for 18 years, don't think it all has to
be done this month. Take time to RELAX & enjoy it? The more you look around, the
better ideas you get.

SINKING: sounds like a leak in an air bag or line that feeds it. You're going to
have to get under it with the soap bubbles. If you know an air conditioning guy,
he could pressurize the system with Freon and check it out quicker with an
electronic leak detector. Any official safety inspection will check how long it
takes to lose air pressure. Any significant leak is frowned upon.

GOVERNORS:
1. There's an adjustable governor to control the air pressure. You can play with
it all you want. You need 80-90 lbs. of air to have good brakes.
Ballpark setting would be in kick in at 75 lbs. out at 100.

2. There's an adjustable governor to control engine top speed. DO NOT SET IT
OVER THE RECOMMENDED SPEED. The easier you run a big engine, the longer you have
it. Don't over-rev it, there's just too much weight spinning around. Common
redlines for big engines are 2400-2800RPM.

3. InnerCity buses don't need to go fast, so they are geared low for
start/stopping. If you want 75MPH on the highway, you need to change the axle
ratio, transmission, or put bigger diameter rear tires on it. If the guy who
sold it to you, told you to rev it up for more speed, go back and smack him for
lying to you.

Look for the axle ratio info on the VIN Plate or the axle housing.
Or...jack the rear end up and turn the differential input. Count how many
rotations it takes to make the wheel turn one full turn. It's probably somewhere
between 6.5/1 & 7.5/1. For 75MPH you will need around a 5/1 ratio.

Did you get the maintainance manual with the bus?
If not, get one. They're solid gold.

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Hi Everyone;
Received an e mail from Rick Norcross
RamblrRick@...
His Starliner is going to be in a Movie
being shot in Montreal Canada soon.
Producer is seeking a 1940 - 50s City Bus
to use in the same movie.  Have One ????
Pay is estimated at about $250 per day.
Contact GILBERT BUREAU by FAX at
(514) 745 - 5133  He is a friend of Ricks
who says he is trustworthy.
Anyone want to be in the Movies.
Ralph Cline   FOI News Editor.

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hello fellow flx owners:    name is busman from massachusetts  and the owner
of a 41 clipper . am restoring it to orginal condition i hope and am looking
for seats  ( close as possible ) and overhead racks. have completed the
exterior and driven it in a cple parades. quite a favorite with the camera
people.  i'm hoping to make it to dighton this summer.  want to thank the
people responsible for starting the site  here      thanks busman/bob king
any help would be appricated  can call me at 1-800-639-4805

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Thanks for turning me onto the flxible web site. I have been trying for over a
week to find sites like this, and wasn't finding anything flxible...Just aquired
a 453 powered '52 that has been out of circulation for anout 20 years. Drove it
home with my fingers crossed (hoses and tires very rotten). Engine, drive lines,
and brakes are flawless, no smoke, no leaks, with top speed of about 55mph.
Older conversion, needs lots of TLC. Body clean, with little rust (however,
missing a few knick-knack trim parts). Can't wait to see some similar busses.
Know of any in northern California? ID# 4d18613. Was one a passenger bus in
southern California. If anyone knows of any history or have any comments, they
would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
T Hooligan@...

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Dick Marsan made me come here. I guess all new things are a learning curve. Just
wanted to check in and say "Hi" to all the beautiful Flx people.

By way of introduction to anyone I haven't met at the last 2 Flx Rallies in
Loudenville, I'm from Pgh. Pa. Long suffering wife Beverly, who puts up with all
the Flx mental abuse, & 3 daughters run the whole damn place around here. I've
got a '56 Clipper with the much touted original Fageol engine still running
strong long after all the neigh sayers and "quiters" have repowered theirs. I'm
currently building a 440 Mopar just in case of surprizes down the road. Just put
new brake shoes all around over the winter. Sucker stops now...I hit the brakes
and everyone comes up front to see me.

Thanks to RC for setting this site up for the Flxers. Let's hear some chatter
out there. I spent 18 years and a zillion bucks to make this old bus run, I'm
ready to start enjoying it...Damn it. Who are you? Where are you? What do you
got? What do you know? Who are you with? Who dressed you like that?.

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Looking for my favorite bus, vl-100, hi-level, or flxliner anybody know of
anything. I've got a 4104 that is the straightest 04 ever. all baggage panels
are new, custom fab tailgate it has alot of good stuff . Inside is beautiful.  I
would consider a trade for some thing decient up or down, thanks STEVE

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Hi everyone;
My bride and I have been traveling for
the last 11 days. We attended the FMCA
Convention in Perry, Georgia then did
some visiting with friends in Georgia.
We returned home tonight Tuesday
March whatever.  After some body rest
will get back to working on the e group
site & the next Newsletter.
Tired,tired,tired,but HAPPY,HAPPY.
Keep on Flxing.
Ralph Cline

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In the interest of starting some discussion or arguement, here's a little
survey. What engine, transmission, differential ratio are you using?  Are you
satisfied with the combination? Considering  the space we have to work with,
what would you say is the ultimate setup? What is your top speed, fuel mileage?
Please reply to this board. Thanks for your time. Bob Adame

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I'm still working on re-powering my dead flx and am considering using a stronger
transmission. Two concerns, the current transmission is a 260 series 5 speed
clark which came with the bus. Bus was powered by a 4-53 Detroit. Will this
trans handle 380 to 440 (charge air cooled) FT/Lbs torque? If not,what trans.
will? The Clark is about 21 inches long. I need to stay with a trans. that is
not much longer than this. My current driveshaft is 17 inches long from center
to center at the u-joints. Does anyone have experience using a driveshaft say 12
or 13 inches long? By the way, I finally figured out that my differential is a
Timken. Thanks, Bob Adame

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Welcome,
I'm glad to see that all of us with flx busses have a medium to communicate.
If anyone see's this feel free to e-mail me back. I will be happy to talk to
anyone that enjoy's flx. busses.
My father in Law has converted 5 busses to date so I could possibly be of some
help with problems.

                     Harry Lewis
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i have a 55 vl 100 i'm looking for the following parts:  front name badge so
people won't mistake our bus for a scenic cruiser, back turn signal lens with
the arrow, rear side opening windows (the small ones in the back), sun shades
for the rear windows, you can always hope, glass marker lenses both yellow and
red. even if you don't have the parts maybe you know someone that does.  i'm in
the beginning stages of the restoration.  would love to hear from any of you.

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i have a 55 vl 100 i'm looking for the following parts.

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>Hey everybody!
>How does this thing work? I'll ask a question and see what happens. I need
>to find a 3.90 or a 3.73 third member for a Rockwell rear axle in a '48
>clipper. Anyone have or know where to look? Thanks, Bob Adame.
>
As a start, you will need the mfgr tag info off of 1. The axle housing and
2. The third member.

Something strange about this tho-- IIRC, Rockwell bought Timken Detroit
Axle Company in the late fifties. I don't think that Rockwell Standard was
much in the axle business before that--Hmmmm.

Any idea what the axle came out of?? How did you determine "Rockwell"? Are
the housing tubes round or rectangular?

The housing tag is usually on the rear side of the passenger side axle
housing tube, mebbe 6 inches to the right of the round rear cover. The
third member tag is usually on the passenger side of the casting, a bit
above the pinion centerline. If tags are gone (they are riveted on, tho)
try to find the casting number on the third member, and mebbe a mfgr name
and/or logo cast in. May also be some numbers die stamped into the housing
in about the location described for the tag.

Regards, Greg
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Hello, I am in the proccess of converting a 870 but have run across a '63
intercity conversion. I was wondering if anyone could offer some information on
this model coach or any advice on what to look for when inspecting.

Thanks
Gene and Gayle Jorgensen
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Hi everybody. Ya all (i'm from Georgia now) might want to check out my page
  "flxistuff" on my profile listing. Thanks, I will also be putting up a Business
listing soon.
Bud Hoover/teamwest...
HEY! This is really GREAT! Thanks Ralph.

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hello fellow members!  i am in the process of restoring a 41 clipper and need
info on where i may find some interior seats. the closer to the age would be
great. hope someone may  have some knowledge about them   thanks  busman@aol
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Hey everybody!
How does this thing work? I'll ask a question and see what happens. I need to
find a 3.90 or a 3.73 third member for a Rockwell rear axle in a '48 clipper.
Anyone have or know where to look? Thanks, Bob Adame.

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Hi everyone;
Ramblin Rick (RamblrRick@...) is
wanting to communicate with Starliner
Owners in the club.  He is also looking for
photos of Starliners inside & out.
Why not give him an e mail ring and get
together with him. ( One way to visit
Vermont and still stay warm.)
Ralph Cline     FOI News Editor

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Hi Flx-ers;
As of this morning 3/1/99 we have
13 Members from FOI signed up for
our e Group site.  As time passes we hope to have everyone with a Computer &
e mail onboard. Sent out almost 50 invitations to join. ( All the e mail
addresses I had.)
The general idea is to start communicating with one another thru
this site. Questions - Answers - Better ways
of doing things - Whatever you think
fellow Members would be interested in.
Get active. Make it happen.
All the best,
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that loves the Flxible Busses that were built in Loudonville, Ohio
We have formed a Club
to share information &
ideas to make them run
better & appear more beautiful.  In addition we meet a minimum of twice per year
to show
off and brag about our
particular model. IE;
Clipper - VL-100 - Hi Level - Flxliner - City Bus - Flxette - Etc.
We publish six (6) Newsletters per year that
contain a classified section for Buying-Selling-Complete Coaches & Parts for
same. We welcome anyone who is interested in these Busses OR owns one.
Every even numbered year we meet in Loudonville, Ohio Birthplace of Flxible in
the month of July or August. On odd numbered years we meet somewhere in the
USA or Canada  In the
winter every year we meet in Quartzsite, Arizona the week after the Super Bowl.
Our Members help one another physically & with printed matter about all things
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