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EVDL: GM killed the Bellingham EV1 all over again, same one in SFV   Message List  
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Cease and Desist Order, or an order to cease and desist

Whether it's a "Cease and Desist Order" or an order to stop driving
the EV1 in restored mode, there isn't much difference.

As the second reference points out, we won't see that EV1 again, at
least, not in restored mode.

Is WWU knuckling under to GM? Well, they might have to. If the
terms of the "gift" are that the EV1 can't be restored to BEV, and
can't be driven on the streets, then WWU has already violated those
conditions.

GM would, if so, be within its right to confiscate the EV1 and crush
it; the only thing stopping them might be that WWU has now agreed
not to run it on public roads, and not until they install a gasoline
genset, somehow. Perhaps cut off the trunk?

WWU can resolve the issue simply by running the EV1 some more, and
showing Videos of it.

How about making the terms of the (still confidential) "gift"
conditions public? Then let the people judge for themselves whether
GM is honest, or not.

One EV1 is sitting in Tuskegee with dead leaves and wires torn out
of the dashboard.

Another was frankensteined with 30-second ultracaps instead of a
battery.

Another has been gutted, the trunk torn out, and a jet engine
installed in the back; the last words on the video showing it are
something like "wow that stinks".

How ironic, GM can't let the EV1 live as a BEV, and can't even let
it expire in peace, foisting on us outrages like the "jet powered
EV1" that tarnish the formerly cleanest car on the road.

/Doug

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<BEGIN QUOTE FROM WWU>

'This is the official response I got from Eric, the VRI director:

'"We did not receive a "Cease and Decist" order. We did receive a
phone call from a GM representative pointing out to us that the
vehicle is not to be licensed, titled or operated on any public or
private road or highway. We are allowed to exhibit the vehicle. The
GM representative said that it was fine for us to turn the vehicle
into a series hybrid vehicle, similar to the Volt concept car.
'Sincerely,
'Eric Leonhardt
'Director
'Vehicle Research Institute
'Engineering Technology Department
'Western Washington University"

'[edit] Our take
GM in their infinite wisdom to promote their green image and new EV
design studio is warning universities to stick to their signed
agreements regarding donated EV1 carcases a half decade ago. Turns
out the schools technical departments were able to revive their
EV1's as part of the process of hybridizing them as intended in the
donation contracts[4]. Unfortunately the schools let some people see
and video tape the vehicles and also may have let their tires touch
a roads surface, which is apparently prohibited. Another part of the
agreement was that the schools would not mar GMs image, which they
feel the videos of the car may have done. So why is GM upset about
all this?

'It's ironic that it's not the crushing of a small fleet of EV1's
which were loved by their drivers that tarnishes the GM image, but
rather video of the cars being driven on roads when a group of
university student restores one which mars GMs image.
Perhaps access to the EV1 would be considered cheating for members
of GMs new EV design studio which will be working on the new Chevy
Volt. [5]

'It takes the edge off the Volt Hype if people know that the EV1
existed a decade ago and was already slated to become a series
hybrid. GM even had a running 4 seat EV1 at the EVS-18 in Beijing
(1998) which was a series hybrid with as much range as the Volt. [6]
To ensure that only GMs own pre-approved and focus group
branded "Green Image" is promoted, being green is subjective after
all, isn't it?

'GM likes to talk green (EVs, PHEVs, and E-Flex), but in the end
they are really still all about the yellow (ethanol, Flex Fuel)...

'We seriously hope that GM proves us all wrong and gets the Volt and
other E-Flex vehicles in dealers very soon, but many of us are
reserving our enthusiasm until that actually comes to fruition. '
<END QUOTE FROM WWU>



--- In electric_vehicles_for_sale@yahoogroups.com, GREGMCKAY@...
wrote:
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> that first reference seems to show that there has NOT been any
cease and desist order.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: doug korthof <live_oil_free@...>
> To: electric_vehicles_for_sale@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:39 am
> Subject: [electric_vehicles_for_sale] EVDL: GM killed the
Bellingham EV1 all over again, same one in SFV
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> From our Web Guy at the Seattle EV Association:
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Enjoyed the EV1 at last month's meeting? Good, because it may be
> the last time you ever see it running again. GM has already sent a
> cease and desist order to WWU (Western Washington U. Bellingham
WA.)and
> threatened legal action if they ever see video or hear of it
running as
> a "non-hybrid" electric again.
>
> http://www.seattleeva.org/wiki/GM_EV1_WWU_Resurrection#GM_Reacts
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> http://www.nabble.com/GM-to-HIT-University-up-with-Legal-Action-
over-EV-1-that-Runs----p14459064s25542.html
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... Enjoyed the EV1 at last month's meeting? Good, because it may be the last time you ever see it running again. GM has already sent a cease and desist order...
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that first reference seems to show that there has NOT been any cease and desist order. ... From: doug korthof <live_oil_free@...> To:...
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Whether it's a "Cease and Desist Order" or an order to stop driving the EV1 in restored mode, there isn't much difference. As the second reference points out,...
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I say just through in a small gas motor with a generator hook it all up BUT NEVER start that little stink motor. Myron ... crush ... gasoline ... whether ... ...
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Dec 31, 2007
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Bonjour a touts! I haven't weighed in yet on any of these, but find them to be perfect ammunition for my rants--just to my family. One phrase in the WWU's...
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A story from hell. Hello one and all, I am or was the faculty adviser for your first EAA student chapter. A lot of time and effort went into building a program...
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