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Re: Marelli generator advice, please

Pete,

Erik's message mentions a couple of important points that indicate
the issue is the design of the electrical system and not a specific
problem with his car. He says that "as I turn the lights etc on, the
voltage drops to 12V, and the battery discharges eventually"
and "the generator's max output, ca 22A, is only just enough to
supply the ignition, lights and fan."

I believe both of his his statements are correct. Let's do some
basic math, for driving WITH HEADLIGHTS ON HIGH BEAM (using wattages
for the light bulbs from the Operator's manual):


+-------+---------+---------+---------+
I Qty I Watts I Tot W I Amps I
+-------------------------+-------+---------+---------+---------+
I Headlamp bulbs, outer I 2 I 40 I 80 I 6.7 I
+-------------------------+-------+---------+---------+---------+
I Headlamp bulbs, inner I 2 I 45 I 90 I 7.5 I
+-------------------------+-------+---------+---------+---------+
I Parking lights, front I 2 I 5 I 10 I 0.8 I
+-------------------------+-------+---------+---------+---------+
I Rear lights I 2 I 5 I 10 I 0.8 I
+-------------------------+-------+---------+---------+---------+
I License Plate light I 2 I 5 I 10 I 0.8 I
+-------------------------+-------+---------+---------+---------+
I Instrument lights I 4 I 2.5 I 10 I 0.8 I
+-------------------------+-------+---------+---------+---------+
I Ignition Coil I 1 I 30 I 30 I 2.5 I
+-------------------------+-------+---------+---------+---------+
I Fuel Pump I 1 I 20 I 20 I 1.7 I
+-------------------------+-------+---------+---------+---------+
I Temp & fuel gauge, etc. I 1 I 5 I 5 I 0.4 I
+-------------------------+-------+---------+---------+---------+
I Ventilator I 1 I 15 I 15 I 1.3 I
+-------------------------+-------+---------+---------+---------+
I 280 I 23.3 I
+=========+=========+

With the high beam on, the current drawn is in excess of what the
generator can deliver. It gets worse. If we add some gizmo...

Use a period correct radio: add another 15 watts (1.3 Amps).
Use windshield wipers: add another 25 Watts (2.1 Amps).
Change Headlights to H4 lights: add another 40 Watts (3.3 Amps).

... we end up with a consumption of about 30 Amps. This means the
battery drains at a rate of about 8 Amps per hour and a battery with
a capacity of 50 Amp hours will drain completely in just over 6
hours.

With the high beam and gizmo off, the current drawn drops to about
16 Amps, which may be just about enough for the generator to produce
enough voltage to charge the battery (charging the battery requires
at least 13.2 Volts). This is consistent with the point Erik made.

Now, to put this in perspective: 1 horse power = 736 Watts. In other
words, the generator delivers roughly 1/3 horse power. That was a
lot at a time when many other cars had 6 Volt systems only. We've
grown accustomed to an abundancre of power: Today, most modern car
stereos consume about the amount of power that this generator could
deliver then -- some consume even more.

Alternator, anyone?

Ruedi



--- In alfa2600@yahoogroups.com, "scull5k" <pwettstein@c...> wrote:
> Perhaps you should check all of the circuits you expect could be
> guilty: rather than give the patient a bigger transfusion, it
might be
> better to find the source of the bleeding. Just a thought, Pete
> Wettstein
>
>
> --- In alfa2600@yahoogroups.com, "alfaerik" <alfaerik@y...> wrote:
> > Hello all
> >
> > I bought a brand new regulator for it, and it cranks out a
healthy
> > 14,3V (@2000 RPM), but, as I turn the lights etc on, the voltage
> > drops to 12V, and the battery discharges eventually (even
during
> > longtime highspeed driving).
> >
> > Is it possible to sort this? (ajust the "max current threshold
> > device" in the regulator)
> >
> > The generator's max output, ca 22A, is only just enough to
supply the
> > ignition, lights and fan.
> >
> > Thanks, Erik




Wed Jun 18, 2003 7:57 am

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Hello all I bought a brand new regulator for it, and it cranks out a healthy 14,3V (@2000 RPM), but, as I turn the lights etc on, the voltage drops to 12V, and...
alfaerik
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Jun 16, 2003
10:31 pm

The voltage regulator is working correctly and is adjusted properly. It's not the problem; while it is possible to change the voltage setting of the ...
Frank Hugh Byers
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Jun 17, 2003
1:48 am

Hi Erik, I don't have specific advice for dealing with the regulator, but some general information about generator/alternator considerations. First, of all I'm...
Ruedi Aschwanden
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Jun 17, 2003
8:39 am

One thing I forgot in my previous post: Do you have any evidence that the generator actually delivers the 22 Amps that it should? If the brushes are worn or...
Ruedi Aschwanden
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Jun 17, 2003
9:51 am

Erik, Based on Ruedi's factual information on OEM generators, I want to revise my original post. (I've never had any electrical problems with the alfas, so ...
Frank Hugh Byers
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Jun 17, 2003
1:50 pm

Hello Frank & Ruedi, My evidence is I hooked up an old analog (uncalibrated) ampere-meeter to the generator output, and it showed some 20+ amps. The copper...
Erik Rydstrom
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Jun 17, 2003
7:36 pm

Erik, I recently bought a new regulator(Bosch admittedly) and it had instructions for "polarising" the unit before it was capable of delivering full current....
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jmanhammer
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Jun 17, 2003
8:03 pm

Perhaps you should check all of the circuits you expect could be guilty: rather than give the patient a bigger transfusion, it might be better to find the...
scull5k
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Jun 18, 2003
1:10 am

Pete, Erik's message mentions a couple of important points that indicate the issue is the design of the electrical system and not a specific problem with his...
Ruedi Aschwanden
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Jun 18, 2003
7:57 am

Lookingat my post, I'm not sure if Yahoo or MS Internet Explorer makes the table look ugly. If ou are looking at the message on the web site and the table...
Ruedi Aschwanden
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Jun 18, 2003
10:00 am

found the following, generator marelli dn6c delivers 300w bosch ljgeg200/12/2700r40mr idem cut in rpm/enginerpm 1400/930 (bosh 2000/1340) full power...
werhuy53
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Jun 18, 2003
12:53 pm

"Alternator, anyone?" - yes, please. The alternator that I put in several years ago has served my stereo (under dash and unseen - period radio still in the...
D. Long
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Jun 18, 2003
9:45 pm

Hello David et.al, Thanks for all energy you all spent on this problem. I conclude the system is working as intended, but the designer never beleived anyone...
Erik Rydstrom
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