I spoke to soon yesterday. When headlights went out replaced fuse F3, all looked
fine until I pressed the reverse button and shifted, the fuse blew again.  Car
drives, just no lights.  didn't have another fuse to see if it happened in
forward as well.  Obviously can't drive without lights at night. Any help
appreciated.
Barry

Thank you for the guidance.  Does it seem possible for an issue with the
accessory battery to cut out the center headlight and the pair of outer
headlights but still run the dash, the high beam, and the windsheild wipers
without a problem?

Sean has suggested it is time to start trouble-shooting with a DVM.  As I am not
mechanically or electrically inclined at all I will be taking the car to my
mechanic to see if he can colve the problem.  I am doing this with trepidation
because I am sure tracing the wires to
find out where a break/short is will be time consuming and, therefore,
expensive.

Any suggestions, flow-charts, "if then" statements that can guide the search is
very much appreciated from you all.

Cheers,

Alain

--- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "Brian" <captvehicular@...> wrote:
>
> Alain,
> Thanks for the mechanic info. The smaller auxiliary battery is located under
the front passenger seat. If you remove the center battery cover you should be
able to see it beside battery #2.
> -Brian
>
> --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "AlainM" <alainmillar@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Can you guide me to this battery in the SD?
> >
> > --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "musicwhims" <inventpeace@> wrote:
> > >
> > > IF the small instrument battery (the size of a motocycle battery, located
in front of the blue axtrax controller (in the pk)) is bad or weak.. it will
cause all kinds of problems and may indeed kill you Dc-Dc converter IMHO.   If
you find the battery is weak , replace it (my opinion) with a true deep cycle
battery that will be alot more forgiving that what they put in,, (take it to a
battery testing garage (walmart may do it)).  Protect your DC-DC converter by
checking the battery often and don't use any more power for accessories than is
necessary.  IF you have to replace DC-DC get a different brand that is more open
architecture (not sealed with glue) so you can repair it yourself.. also a
higher capacity one would be in order also. (IMHO)>
> > >
> > > --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "AlainM" <alainmillar@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So I have checked the four fuses in the fuse box marked "Horn Relay /
Center Headlight Rlay / Brake Relay and they all look fine.
> > > >
> > > > I considered the possibility that the running light bulb has given up
the ghost but note that only the smaller outside (parking? / marker) lights are
working.  The larger outside set are also NOT working which makes me think fuse
somewhere.
> > > >
> > > > Where else should I look?
> > > >
> > > > Alain
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Kusek <k.kusek@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You might want to check the output of your DC/DC  converter. Maker
sure that you're not sending more volts to the fuse system causing fuses to
blow. If you had no headlight, then more power is going through the system to
maybe cause the auxilary lights to fail. Just a direction to look.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kevin
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: fred <fred_dot_u@>
> > > > > To: Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 2:35:10 AM
> > > > > Subject: [Xebra_EV] Re: Loss of headlight/sidelights but not dash
lights or high beam
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On our '06 sedan, when we lose the headlight, we also lose the motor
> > > > > cooling fan, and it's been a blown fuse in the past.  After too many
of
> > > > > those and no reason found, I discovered that the screws holding the
fuse
> > > > > bracket in place were loose. A good tightening and no more blown
> > > > > headlight fuses.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroup s.com, "AlainM" <alainmillar@ ...> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When I started my Zap tonight I had no headlight. I was able to turn
> > > > > on the auxiliary sidelights but then they failed. My dash lights are
> > > > > funbctional and I was able to drive home because the high/ low beam
> > > > > switch on the dash turned on the headlight.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Doesn't sond like bulb issues does it? Is this a fuse issue? I
looked
> > > > > at the Xebra Breeders Digest but couldn't follow the details on
> > > > > lighting.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any easy trouble shooting suggestions?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for any direction people can provide.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ~ Alain
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Alain,
Thanks for the mechanic info. The smaller auxiliary battery is located under the
front passenger seat. If you remove the center battery cover you should be able
to see it beside battery #2.
-Brian

--- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "AlainM" <alainmillar@...> wrote:
>
>
> Can you guide me to this battery in the SD?
>
> --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "musicwhims" <inventpeace@> wrote:
> >
> > IF the small instrument battery (the size of a motocycle battery, located in
front of the blue axtrax controller (in the pk)) is bad or weak.. it will cause
all kinds of problems and may indeed kill you Dc-Dc converter IMHO.   If you
find the battery is weak , replace it (my opinion) with a true deep cycle
battery that will be alot more forgiving that what they put in,, (take it to a
battery testing garage (walmart may do it)).  Protect your DC-DC converter by
checking the battery often and don't use any more power for accessories than is
necessary.  IF you have to replace DC-DC get a different brand that is more open
architecture (not sealed with glue) so you can repair it yourself.. also a
higher capacity one would be in order also. (IMHO)>
> >
> > --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "AlainM" <alainmillar@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So I have checked the four fuses in the fuse box marked "Horn Relay /
Center Headlight Rlay / Brake Relay and they all look fine.
> > >
> > > I considered the possibility that the running light bulb has given up the
ghost but note that only the smaller outside (parking? / marker) lights are
working.  The larger outside set are also NOT working which makes me think fuse
somewhere.
> > >
> > > Where else should I look?
> > >
> > > Alain
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Kusek <k.kusek@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You might want to check the output of your DC/DC  converter. Maker sure
that you're not sending more volts to the fuse system causing fuses to blow. If
you had no headlight, then more power is going through the system to maybe cause
the auxilary lights to fail. Just a direction to look.
> > > >
> > > > Kevin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: fred <fred_dot_u@>
> > > > To: Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 2:35:10 AM
> > > > Subject: [Xebra_EV] Re: Loss of headlight/sidelights but not dash lights
or high beam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On our '06 sedan, when we lose the headlight, we also lose the motor
> > > > cooling fan, and it's been a blown fuse in the past.  After too many of
> > > > those and no reason found, I discovered that the screws holding the fuse
> > > > bracket in place were loose. A good tightening and no more blown
> > > > headlight fuses.
> > > >
> > > > --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroup s.com, "AlainM" <alainmillar@ ...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > When I started my Zap tonight I had no headlight. I was able to turn
> > > > on the auxiliary sidelights but then they failed. My dash lights are
> > > > funbctional and I was able to drive home because the high/ low beam
> > > > switch on the dash turned on the headlight.
> > > > >
> > > > > Doesn't sond like bulb issues does it? Is this a fuse issue? I looked
> > > > at the Xebra Breeders Digest but couldn't follow the details on
> > > > lighting.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any easy trouble shooting suggestions?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for any direction people can provide.
> > > > >
> > > > > ~ Alain
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Can you guide me to this battery in the SD?

--- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "musicwhims" <inventpeace@...> wrote:
>
> IF the small instrument battery (the size of a motocycle battery, located in
front of the blue axtrax controller (in the pk)) is bad or weak.. it will cause
all kinds of problems and may indeed kill you Dc-Dc converter IMHO.   If you
find the battery is weak , replace it (my opinion) with a true deep cycle
battery that will be alot more forgiving that what they put in,, (take it to a
battery testing garage (walmart may do it)).  Protect your DC-DC converter by
checking the battery often and don't use any more power for accessories than is
necessary.  IF you have to replace DC-DC get a different brand that is more open
architecture (not sealed with glue) so you can repair it yourself.. also a
higher capacity one would be in order also. (IMHO)>
>
> --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "AlainM" <alainmillar@> wrote:
> >
> > So I have checked the four fuses in the fuse box marked "Horn Relay / Center
Headlight Rlay / Brake Relay and they all look fine.
> >
> > I considered the possibility that the running light bulb has given up the
ghost but note that only the smaller outside (parking? / marker) lights are
working.  The larger outside set are also NOT working which makes me think fuse
somewhere.
> >
> > Where else should I look?
> >
> > Alain
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Kusek <k.kusek@> wrote:
> > >
> > > You might want to check the output of your DC/DC  converter. Maker sure
that you're not sending more volts to the fuse system causing fuses to blow. If
you had no headlight, then more power is going through the system to maybe cause
the auxilary lights to fail. Just a direction to look.
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: fred <fred_dot_u@>
> > > To: Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 2:35:10 AM
> > > Subject: [Xebra_EV] Re: Loss of headlight/sidelights but not dash lights
or high beam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On our '06 sedan, when we lose the headlight, we also lose the motor
> > > cooling fan, and it's been a blown fuse in the past.  After too many of
> > > those and no reason found, I discovered that the screws holding the fuse
> > > bracket in place were loose. A good tightening and no more blown
> > > headlight fuses.
> > >
> > > --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroup s.com, "AlainM" <alainmillar@ ...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > When I started my Zap tonight I had no headlight. I was able to turn
> > > on the auxiliary sidelights but then they failed. My dash lights are
> > > funbctional and I was able to drive home because the high/ low beam
> > > switch on the dash turned on the headlight.
> > > >
> > > > Doesn't sond like bulb issues does it? Is this a fuse issue? I looked
> > > at the Xebra Breeders Digest but couldn't follow the details on
> > > lighting.
> > > >
> > > > Any easy trouble shooting suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for any direction people can provide.
> > > >
> > > > ~ Alain
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Brian,

I highly recommend TOm Dwyer Automotive (http://www.tomdwyer.com/) for the
excellent care and customer service for ICEs.  Our family has taken our cars
there for many years.

They willingly took on learning about the Zap and are definitely on a learning
curve with it.  I recommend them based on my relationship with them and not
becuase they are particularly good with the Zap.

My sister-in-law also drives a Zap and is taking her car to
A.B.E. Auto Battery & Electric
1515 SE Hawthorne Blvd
Portland, OR 97214
503-238-0888

and is happy with their work.

I have also heard of a guy who maintains GEMS but I cannot remember his contact
info.  I got that from
Northwest Battery Supply
3750 SE Belmont St
Portland, OR 97214
888-424-4229

I hope this helps.

~ Alain

--- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "Brian" <captvehicular@...> wrote:
>
> Alain,
> I live in P-town as well, 5k on my '06 SD and 3 original batteries. Last year
I replaced the other 3 and installed PowerCheqs & PakTracker. The weak ones now
are 2 of the ones most recently replaced. Go figure. From reading your post, I
may check out replacing the old blue charger - I would be happy with 15-20 mile
range; less than 10 is a bummer. Who is your mechanic?
> -Brian
>
> --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "AlainM" <alainmillar@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't know if this response will just frustrate you further...  I
> > acknowledge the problems people post here and am not going to make a
> > case for the Xebra being more than it is but...
> >
> > I think there is more going on for you than the typical "Chinese POS"
> > problem here.
> >
> > I have a 72v '06 SD with over 5000 miles on the original Deka pack and
> > it is getting approximately 25 miles / charge in the summer and did 19
> > miles last weekend in 50 degree weather here in Portland.  It will drop
> > to 10-12 in the deeper cold of winter.  I too, had issues of about 8
> > miles and it turns out by original blue charger was failing.  I have
> > spent some money to replace the charger, install a PakTrak and battery
> > equalizers.  I am a completely "plug and play" guy.  All the installs
> > were done by my mechanic, I am clueless about the maintaining the car.
> > Yet, it has been a daily driver since I got it, and I think my Dekas
> > have more to give me yet.  I encourage you to investigate the loss of
> > mileage further.
> >
> > I am also going to recommend the b attery equalizers from a purely
> > anecdotal point of view.  I haven't had to replace a battery yet but did
> > have one "balanced" prior to getting the battery eqs, yet I am convinced
> > I am benefitiing from better overall performance because of them.
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Alain
> >
> > --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, Edward Wright <mrewright@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am interested to know this also. I am not a hobbyist and use mine
> > for transport to and from work which it will no longer handle the 8
> > miles. I park it closer to work and to avoid paying $125 month for
> > parking (Electric Veh. Parking is free) I now drive to my friends place
> > and park and then drive the remaining 1 1/2 mile to work in my SD. I
> > know EV's have been around awhile, and these little China POS are fairly
> > new on the market, but I am irritated that I paid $11k and only real
> > savings i get is in the parking fee savings..>LOL. I am not a hobbyist
> > and I find that occasionally recharging one battery at a time
> > using a smart charger to bring the batteries back to full life helps. I
> > have 1850 miles on my SD in the nearly 3 yrs. I've had it and am looking
> > for someone to gut it and put in a small scooter engine and controls, or
> > figure out how to use onboard gas generator booster while in use. It
> > does no good to replace batteries if the charger and system
> > >  won't efficiently and correctly re-charge/dis-charge equally, in my
> > personal oppinion only it seems that no amount of added
> > monitoring gadgetry will do any good other that alert you to the
> > fact of what we already know, the battery banks are not charging or
> > discharging equally. Maybe some day.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Brian captvehicular@
> > > To: Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sat, November 7, 2009 8:44:11 AM
> > > Subject: [Xebra_EV] Wal-Mart VRLA vs. Deka gels
> > >
> > > Â
> > > Has anyone used the valve-regulated Wal-Mart batteries in an SD? I
> > currently use Deka gels (98AH ~$220ea.), and was curious if the Wal-Mart
> > batteries might do as well since they are a fraction of cost (125AH ~$85
> > ea.)
> > > Range with Dekas in my 06 SD is around 10 miles.
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> >
>

or take the discussion off line

Moderator

--- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "xebranut" <higleym@...> wrote:
>
> In case you missed this:
>
> I have to agree, this argument is getting nowhere. If someone goes and checks
> things out then feel free to post your findings, otherwise consider the thread
> closed.
>
> Moderator
>
>
> --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "musicwhims" <inventpeace@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  FYI:  we got 37 miles the other day distance wise using our patented
circuit.  This combined with previous 41 miles distance on another test tells us
that on a flat pavement with new zap (new batteries too, ours are probably 2-4
years old ) that its not so hard to believe 45+ miles distance.  Also keep in
mind the patent circuit is still only "partially" installed and we already are
showing significant gains in distance and also slight increase in speed ("upto"
45mph ).   Test and demos are ongoing.  Viewers are very impressed !
> >     I can't put an hour long video on the UTUBE?  So if I put a 5 minute one
on.. why would anyone believe it.. no one believes it now except those who make
the trip to see it and they start jabbering about how fantastic it is:  but no
one beleives them either.. so its really moot unless you do make the trip to see
it.. but also really keep in mind we don't want to demo to every one horse do it
yourselfer either.. we are looking for a big corp who will put into mass
production for everyones benefit.   WE can't sell kits because we don't have a
factory ability here or funding to do so.   So we are offering 20% (see
www.DoubleBatteryLife.com ) to anyone who can make the first deal happen.  Keep
in mind the biggest markets are not EV's.. its Cell phones, digiital cameras,
toys, etc that use disposable batteries or rechargeables.  Thats gargantuan
(billions) compared to ev's.  se la vie !
>

In case you missed this:

I have to agree, this argument is getting nowhere. If someone goes and checks
things out then feel free to post your findings, otherwise consider the thread
closed.

Moderator


--- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "musicwhims" <inventpeace@...> wrote:
>
>
>  FYI:  we got 37 miles the other day distance wise using our patented circuit.
This combined with previous 41 miles distance on another test tells us that on a
flat pavement with new zap (new batteries too, ours are probably 2-4 years old )
that its not so hard to believe 45+ miles distance.  Also keep in mind the
patent circuit is still only "partially" installed and we already are showing
significant gains in distance and also slight increase in speed ("upto" 45mph ).
Test and demos are ongoing.  Viewers are very impressed !
>     I can't put an hour long video on the UTUBE?  So if I put a 5 minute one
on.. why would anyone believe it.. no one believes it now except those who make
the trip to see it and they start jabbering about how fantastic it is:  but no
one beleives them either.. so its really moot unless you do make the trip to see
it.. but also really keep in mind we don't want to demo to every one horse do it
yourselfer either.. we are looking for a big corp who will put into mass
production for everyones benefit.   WE can't sell kits because we don't have a
factory ability here or funding to do so.   So we are offering 20% (see
www.DoubleBatteryLife.com ) to anyone who can make the first deal happen.  Keep
in mind the biggest markets are not EV's.. its Cell phones, digiital cameras,
toys, etc that use disposable batteries or rechargeables.  Thats gargantuan
(billions) compared to ev's.  se la vie !

I live 14 miles from ZAP HQ - been there several times in Wedgy with extra
batteries allowing 30 mile range, however I'm currently on a standard 84V 100Ah
AGM set-up and am limited to 20 maximum.  If you like I could demo the secret
patented circuit to ZAP for you.  I'm an electrical engineer and I work for GE
who are always on the lookout for new patents to absorb.
My sister's cousin invented a cruise control circuit and had the same difficulty
you have of finding a big manufacturing partner, but if you really can improve
EV mileage by at least 50% then that should be a serious market for you.

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, musicwhims <inventpeace@...> wrote:

> From: musicwhims <inventpeace@...>
> Subject: [Xebra_EV] Re: 45 miles distance on Zap Pk using specially installed
circuit.
> To: Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 1:27 AM
>
>  FYI:  we got 37 miles the other day distance wise
> using our patented circuit.  This combined with
> previous 41 miles distance on another test tells us that on
> a flat pavement with new zap (new batteries too, ours are
> probably 2-4 years old ) that its not so hard to believe 45+
> miles distance.  Also keep in mind the patent circuit
> is still only "partially" installed and we already are
> showing significant gains in distance and also slight
> increase in speed ("upto" 45mph ).   Test and
> demos are ongoing.  Viewers are very impressed !
>     I can't put an hour long video on the
> UTUBE?  So if I put a 5 minute one on.. why would
> anyone believe it.. no one believes it now except those who
> make the trip to see it and they start jabbering about how
> fantastic it is:  but no one beleives them either.. so
> its really moot unless you do make the trip to see it.. but
> also really keep in mind we don't want to demo to every one
> horse do it yourselfer either.. we are looking for a big
> corp who will put into mass production for everyones
> benefit.   WE can't sell kits because we
> don't have a factory ability here or funding to do
> so.   So we are offering 20% (see
> www.DoubleBatteryLife.com ) to anyone who can make the first
> deal happen.  Keep in mind the biggest markets are not
> EV's.. its Cell phones, digiital cameras, toys, etc that use
> disposable batteries or rechargeables.  Thats
> gargantuan (billions) compared to ev's.  se la vie !
>
>     Also FYI:  Hate to brag but I can very
> easily put a genset on our pk.. its because our patetnted
> circuit allows us the very big flexibility to charge the
> batteries at either high voltage (with onboard charger) or
> to charge the batteries with a very simple plug in to a 12
> volt charger (or 12volt genset, easy to find).  !
>
> --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com,
> "Chuck" <vchuckufarley@...> wrote:
> >
> > Please post demo on You Tube. I do not wish to drive
> from California to Florida. My extension cord is too short.
> > Thanks,
> > Chuck
> >
> > --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com,
> "musicwhims" <inventpeace@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Check it out but please withhold your judgement
> until you see the demo (have to come to florida for
> that).  Thanks. www.InventPeace.com
> > >
> > >             
>       IN GOOD WE TRUST !!
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     Xebra_EV-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>

Hi- it was indeed a fuse, good old F3. Popped a new one in and all is fine. Love
Love Love this car!

 

Update- driving home at night it appears its a fuse since I also have no side headlights, dashboard lights or wipers. I'll check the zap site for the fuse list unless someone can shoot me which fuse it is. thanks

Update- driving home at night it appears its a fuse since I also have no side
headlights, dashboard lights or wipers.  I'll check the zap site for the fuse
list unless someone can shoot me which fuse it is. thanks

FYI:  we got 37 miles the other day distance wise using our patented circuit. 
This combined with previous 41 miles distance on another test tells us that on a
flat pavement with new zap (new batteries too, ours are probably 2-4 years old )
that its not so hard to believe 45+ miles distance.  Also keep in mind the
patent circuit is still only "partially" installed and we already are showing
significant gains in distance and also slight increase in speed ("upto" 45mph ).
Test and demos are ongoing.  Viewers are very impressed !
     I can't put an hour long video on the UTUBE?  So if I put a 5 minute one
on.. why would anyone believe it.. no one believes it now except those who make
the trip to see it and they start jabbering about how fantastic it is:  but no
one beleives them either.. so its really moot unless you do make the trip to see
it.. but also really keep in mind we don't want to demo to every one horse do it
yourselfer either.. we are looking for a big corp who will put into mass
production for everyones benefit.   WE can't sell kits because we don't have a
factory ability here or funding to do so.   So we are offering 20% (see
www.DoubleBatteryLife.com ) to anyone who can make the first deal happen.  Keep
in mind the biggest markets are not EV's.. its Cell phones, digiital cameras,
toys, etc that use disposable batteries or rechargeables.  Thats gargantuan
(billions) compared to ev's.  se la vie !

     Also FYI:  Hate to brag but I can very easily put a genset on our pk.. its
because our patetnted circuit allows us the very big flexibility to charge the
batteries at either high voltage (with onboard charger) or to charge the
batteries with a very simple plug in to a 12 volt charger (or 12volt genset,
easy to find).  !

--- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck" <vchuckufarley@...> wrote:
>
> Please post demo on You Tube. I do not wish to drive from California to
Florida. My extension cord is too short.
> Thanks,
> Chuck
>
> --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "musicwhims" <inventpeace@> wrote:
> >
> > Check it out but please withhold your judgement until you see the demo (have
to come to florida for that).  Thanks. www.InventPeace.com
> >
> >                    IN GOOD WE TRUST !!
> >
>

IF the small instrument battery (the size of a motocycle battery, located in
front of the blue axtrax controller (in the pk)) is bad or weak.. it will cause
all kinds of problems and may indeed kill you Dc-Dc converter IMHO.   If you
find the battery is weak , replace it (my opinion) with a true deep cycle
battery that will be alot more forgiving that what they put in,, (take it to a
battery testing garage (walmart may do it)).  Protect your DC-DC converter by
checking the battery often and don't use any more power for accessories than is
necessary.  IF you have to replace DC-DC get a different brand that is more open
architecture (not sealed with glue) so you can repair it yourself.. also a
higher capacity one would be in order also. (IMHO)>

--- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "AlainM" <alainmillar@...> wrote:
>
> So I have checked the four fuses in the fuse box marked "Horn Relay / Center
Headlight Rlay / Brake Relay and they all look fine.
>
> I considered the possibility that the running light bulb has given up the
ghost but note that only the smaller outside (parking? / marker) lights are
working.  The larger outside set are also NOT working which makes me think fuse
somewhere.
>
> Where else should I look?
>
> Alain
>
>
>
> --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Kusek <k.kusek@> wrote:
> >
> > You might want to check the output of your DC/DC  converter. Maker sure that
you're not sending more volts to the fuse system causing fuses to blow. If you
had no headlight, then more power is going through the system to maybe cause the
auxilary lights to fail. Just a direction to look.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: fred <fred_dot_u@>
> > To: Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 2:35:10 AM
> > Subject: [Xebra_EV] Re: Loss of headlight/sidelights but not dash lights or
high beam
> >
> >
> >
> > On our '06 sedan, when we lose the headlight, we also lose the motor
> > cooling fan, and it's been a blown fuse in the past.  After too many of
> > those and no reason found, I discovered that the screws holding the fuse
> > bracket in place were loose. A good tightening and no more blown
> > headlight fuses.
> >
> > --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroup s.com, "AlainM" <alainmillar@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > When I started my Zap tonight I had no headlight. I was able to turn
> > on the auxiliary sidelights but then they failed. My dash lights are
> > funbctional and I was able to drive home because the high/ low beam
> > switch on the dash turned on the headlight.
> > >
> > > Doesn't sond like bulb issues does it? Is this a fuse issue? I looked
> > at the Xebra Breeders Digest but couldn't follow the details on
> > lighting.
> > >
> > > Any easy trouble shooting suggestions?
> > >
> > > Thanks for any direction people can provide.
> > >
> > > ~ Alain
> > >
> >
>

Hate to brag but I can very easily put a genset on our pk.. its because our
patetnted circuit allows us the very big flexibility to charge the batteries at
either high voltage (with onboard charger) or to charge the batteries with a
very simple plug in to a 12 volt charger (or 12volt genset, easy to find) ("NOT
WHILE RUNNING MIND YOU, lest anyone get off on a tangent")  !
       FYI:  we got 37 miles the other day distance wise using our patented
circuit.  This combined with previous 41 miles distance on another test tells us
that on a flat pavement with new zap (meaning brand new batteries too, "ours are
probably 2-4 years old" ) that its not so hard to believe 45+ miles distance. 
Also keep in mind the patent circuit is still only "partially" installed and we
already are showing significant gains in distance and also slight increase in
speed ("upto" 45mph ).   Test and demos are ongoing.  Viewers are very impressed
!

--- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "musicwhims" <inventpeace@...> wrote:
>
> Actually I don't live on this blog and I don't have to answer either. If you
wanted to you could have written a regular email.  We are demo'ing to some
outsiders this week.. and have other plans for saturday.  Also the front brake
seems to be chafing or rubbing off and on .. has anyone else had that problem
(obviously it reduces milage).   But all that said.. yes it can get the 45
miles.  Sorry you coming on a bad day for us.  In 2 weeks all should be back to
normal.  We do have to pay attention to possible paying customers who might buy
the whole patent (intellectual rights) as advertised on ebay (search "amazing
patent" ).
>    Yes it seems high priced but when you realize that it can be used in
anything from hearing aids up to battleship sizes and beyond.. the market
potential is incredible so yes its still a bargain at that price (in fact we
reserve a 3% royalty to boot).
>   About a video.. yeah we could do one but it would an hour long.. thats how
long it takes to go that distance (do you think they would even accept it and
how long would it take to upload?_).
>
>
> --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "Nat Robb" <nrobb@> wrote:
> >
> > I have asked for a demo in person of his Zap as I am going to be in Orlando
on Sat.  No response....
> >
> > I hope he will not clog up this board with messages in the future until he
has something to actually show us.
> >
> > Nat :-)
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Chuck
> >   To: Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 4:07 PM
> >   Subject: [Xebra_EV] Re: 45 miles distance on Zap Pk using specially
installed circuit.
> >
> >
> >
> >   Please post demo on You Tube. I do not wish to drive from California to
Florida. My extension cord is too short.
> >   Thanks,
> >   Chuck
> >
> >   --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "musicwhims" <inventpeace@> wrote:
> >   >
> >   > Check it out but please withhold your judgement until you see the demo
(have to come to florida for that). Thanks. www.InventPeace.com
> >   >
> >   > IN GOOD WE TRUST !!
> >   >
> >
>

Hate to brag but I can very easily put a genset on our pk.. its because our
patetnted circuit allows us the very big flexibility to charge the batteries at
either high voltage (with onboard charger) or to charge the batteries with a
very simple plug in to a 12 volt charger (or 12volt genset, easy to find).  ! 
FYI:  we got 37 miles the other day distance wise using our patented circuit. 
This combined with previous 41 miles distance on another test tells us that on a
flat pavement with new zap (new batteries too, ours are probably 2-4 years old )
that its not so hard to believe 45+ miles distance.  Also keep in mind the
patent circuit is still only "partially" installed and we already are showing
significant gains in distance and also slight increase in speed ("upto" 45mph ).
Test and demos are ongoing.  Viewers are very impressed !

--- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "cook.rodney@..." <cook.rodney@...> wrote:
>
> The Zivan NG5 or Manzanita PFC-20B chargers look like they might work. I like
the idea of the Manzanita charger that adjusts to the power available to it.
Later on I plan to do a conversion on a Geo Tracker and I'll use my big charger
for that project.
>
>
> --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, Ray Wells <raywingit@> wrote:
> >
> > You can't just connect the gen set to the batteries, you need a charger that
regulates the current in between.  So where are you finding a 5.6kW 84V DC
battery charger?  I'm not saying it can't be done, but once you get over about
3kW it's normal to use multi-phase power.
> >
> > --- On Sun, 11/8/09, cook.rodney@ <cook.rodney@> wrote:
> >
> > > From: cook.rodney@ <cook.rodney@>
> > > Subject: [Xebra_EV] Re: Genset on a PK
> > > To: Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 9:27 PM
> > > I do not understand what you mean
> > > about corrupting batteries but I will try to describe what
> > > I'm talking about. Too bad I can't remember my calculus.
> > > The standard Xebra 1400 watt charger takes about 6 hours to
> > > charge the batteries enough to go 15 miles (about 8400 watts
> > > total). Let's figure I drive at 30 miles per hour.
> > > 1) Suppose I start out with full batteries and charge at
> > > 1400 watts as I drive -- I can go (15+2.5+.39+.06+.01) or
> > > about 17.96 miles.
> > > 2) Suppose I start out with full batteries and charge at
> > > 5600 watts as I drive -- I can go (15+10.75+6.75+4.5+3) or
> > > about 39.75 miles.
> > >
> > > Even though it would be cheaper to just drive my car for
> > > longer errands, I am going to add such a generator and
> > > charger to my Xebra because 2 or 3 times a month I want to
> > > run extended errands in the Xebra. Generally, the Xebra 15
> > > mile range works fine -- 5 miles to work, 3 miles to the
> > > hardware store, 1 mile to the grocery. My minivan often sits
> > > for a week between use.
> > >
> > > --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "__A_YAHOO_USER__" <pompeiijazz98@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Is it because of the time factor of the charge that
> > > 1400 watts with a 7000 watt charger corrupts a battery as
> > > apposed to 5000 watts with a 7000 watt charger does not?
> > > >
> > > > --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "cook.rodney@" <cook.rodney@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I did not hear anyone mention the charger used
> > > with the generator. If you are charging at 1400 watts, a
> > > 7000 watt generator is of little use. However, charging at
> > > 5000 watts would extend your mileage dramatically.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com,
> > > Keven Caldwell <greenmankc@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not true, I used to use a 7kw genset to
> > > power my 06 PK to get up the 1200 ft
> > > > > > hill at mile 17 going home. You will need to
> > > unplug the interlock on the
> > > > > > charger and make a short heavy cord, the
> > > long ones got warm. If you are
> > > > > > buying one look for propane powered, cleaner
> > > and quieter than gas. That was
> > > > > > before my boss told me I couldn't plug in at
> > > work, now my $13k blue beastie
> > > > > > sits most of the time in the hoophouse
> > > giving my wife multiple opportunities
> > > > > > to give me THE LOOK.kev.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Hal Zucati
> > > <cyberfembot@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's possible... but kinda defeats the
> > > purpose of having an electric.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Consider this:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. You need to have PEAK 20kw of power
> > > and NOMINAL 10KW to make the PK go.
> > > > > > > In real generator numbers that's a
> > > 20,000 watt generator. Ever seen the
> > > > > > > size of one of those?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2. If you're just planning on charging
> > > and now powering your PK then the
> > > > > > > 5000w will do... BUT...
> > > > > > >    A. Generators are high
> > > maintanence.
> > > > > > >    B. Generators use GAS.
> > > > > > >    C. Generators are not
> > > efficient.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Save yourself the hassle, wiring,
> > > maintanence and GAS and just drive a
> > > > > > > efficient gas car.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Seriously...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There's a reason you haven't heard of
> > > this being done before... it just
> > > > > > > doesn't make good sense to.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  - H
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- On *Wed, 11/4/09, ghilliker
> > > <george_hilliker@>* wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: ghilliker
> > > <george_hilliker@>
> > > > > > > Subject: [Xebra_EV] Genset on a PK
> > > > > > > To: Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009,
> > > 11:12 AM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is anyone actually using a genset to
> > > extend the range of a PK. I need to
> > > > > > > drive 35 miles one way and it seems
> > > like the best alternative. There are
> > > > > > > lots of posts but I was wondering if
> > > anyone is actually doing it. I could
> > > > > > > use a 5000w generator as backup power
> > > at the house.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Comments?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >     Xebra_EV-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Check your "saddle" battery,, its the little 12 volt that is in front of the
blue axtrax controller in the battery compartment (on the pk zap).  IF that
battery is bad or weak it will contribute if not cause a DC-Dc converter
failure.  Make sure its really in good condition.. if not, I (INMHO) advise you
to get a deep cycle type to replace it.  I am not sure but think its a standard
starting type battery for perhaps a motorcycle that really is not good enough to
handle the load of all the instruments and other needs such as solenoids, window
wipers, headlights, etc.  So a deep cycle will be alot more forgiving than the
standard they put in there.
    If thats not it.. check all the fuses in the fuse box.. check also battery
terminals not corroded (on the saddle battery), and other wiring.  You could
trace it up to the fuse box.. and check for continuity in the wiring.  Also try
simple test like: does the cigarette lighter have any voltage at all ?  If so
its 12volt and says the battery is connected, just not up to highest voltage
perhaps.

--- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "bjrsailr" <bjrsailr@...> wrote:
>
> When I powered up this morning my speedometer and odometer was totally dead.
I'm guessing a fuse (if so which one?) or loose wire which I will check. Any
thoughts?
>

Im just looking to replace my burned out battery. (see welded battery post).

Thanks,
Patrick

--- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "royvonrogers" <royvonrogers@...> wrote:
>
> Any particular reasons for wanting Haze batteries ??
>
> Roy
>
>
> --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "hamblin10" <hamblin10@> wrote:
> >
> > where is the best place to buy hzb-ev12-110 batteries? I am in Tulsa
Oklahoma. Thanks.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
>

When I powered up this morning my speedometer and odometer was totally dead. I'm
guessing a fuse (if so which one?) or loose wire which I will check. Any
thoughts?

The Zivan NG5 or Manzanita PFC-20B chargers look like they might work. I like
the idea of the Manzanita charger that adjusts to the power available to it.
Later on I plan to do a conversion on a Geo Tracker and I'll use my big charger
for that project.


--- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, Ray Wells <raywingit@...> wrote:
>
> You can't just connect the gen set to the batteries, you need a charger that
regulates the current in between.  So where are you finding a 5.6kW 84V DC
battery charger?  I'm not saying it can't be done, but once you get over about
3kW it's normal to use multi-phase power.
>
> --- On Sun, 11/8/09, cook.rodney@... <cook.rodney@...> wrote:
>
> > From: cook.rodney@... <cook.rodney@...>
> > Subject: [Xebra_EV] Re: Genset on a PK
> > To: Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 9:27 PM
> > I do not understand what you mean
> > about corrupting batteries but I will try to describe what
> > I'm talking about. Too bad I can't remember my calculus.
> > The standard Xebra 1400 watt charger takes about 6 hours to
> > charge the batteries enough to go 15 miles (about 8400 watts
> > total). Let's figure I drive at 30 miles per hour.
> > 1) Suppose I start out with full batteries and charge at
> > 1400 watts as I drive -- I can go (15+2.5+.39+.06+.01) or
> > about 17.96 miles.
> > 2) Suppose I start out with full batteries and charge at
> > 5600 watts as I drive -- I can go (15+10.75+6.75+4.5+3) or
> > about 39.75 miles.
> >
> > Even though it would be cheaper to just drive my car for
> > longer errands, I am going to add such a generator and
> > charger to my Xebra because 2 or 3 times a month I want to
> > run extended errands in the Xebra. Generally, the Xebra 15
> > mile range works fine -- 5 miles to work, 3 miles to the
> > hardware store, 1 mile to the grocery. My minivan often sits
> > for a week between use.
> >
> > --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com,
> > "__A_YAHOO_USER__" <pompeiijazz98@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Is it because of the time factor of the charge that
> > 1400 watts with a 7000 watt charger corrupts a battery as
> > apposed to 5000 watts with a 7000 watt charger does not?
> > >
> > > --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com,
> > "cook.rodney@" <cook.rodney@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I did not hear anyone mention the charger used
> > with the generator. If you are charging at 1400 watts, a
> > 7000 watt generator is of little use. However, charging at
> > 5000 watts would extend your mileage dramatically.
> > > >
> > > > --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com,
> > Keven Caldwell <greenmankc@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Not true, I used to use a 7kw genset to
> > power my 06 PK to get up the 1200 ft
> > > > > hill at mile 17 going home. You will need to
> > unplug the interlock on the
> > > > > charger and make a short heavy cord, the
> > long ones got warm. If you are
> > > > > buying one look for propane powered, cleaner
> > and quieter than gas. That was
> > > > > before my boss told me I couldn't plug in at
> > work, now my $13k blue beastie
> > > > > sits most of the time in the hoophouse
> > giving my wife multiple opportunities
> > > > > to give me THE LOOK.kev.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Hal Zucati
> > <cyberfembot@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's possible... but kinda defeats the
> > purpose of having an electric.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Consider this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. You need to have PEAK 20kw of power
> > and NOMINAL 10KW to make the PK go.
> > > > > > In real generator numbers that's a
> > 20,000 watt generator. Ever seen the
> > > > > > size of one of those?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. If you're just planning on charging
> > and now powering your PK then the
> > > > > > 5000w will do... BUT...
> > > > > >    A. Generators are high
> > maintanence.
> > > > > >    B. Generators use GAS.
> > > > > >    C. Generators are not
> > efficient.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Save yourself the hassle, wiring,
> > maintanence and GAS and just drive a
> > > > > > efficient gas car.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Seriously...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There's a reason you haven't heard of
> > this being done before... it just
> > > > > > doesn't make good sense to.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  - H
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On *Wed, 11/4/09, ghilliker
> > <george_hilliker@>* wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: ghilliker
> > <george_hilliker@>
> > > > > > Subject: [Xebra_EV] Genset on a PK
> > > > > > To: Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009,
> > 11:12 AM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is anyone actually using a genset to
> > extend the range of a PK. I need to
> > > > > > drive 35 miles one way and it seems
> > like the best alternative. There are
> > > > > > lots of posts but I was wondering if
> > anyone is actually doing it. I could
> > > > > > use a 5000w generator as backup power
> > at the house.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Comments?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >     Xebra_EV-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
>

You can't just connect the gen set to the batteries, you need a charger that
regulates the current in between.  So where are you finding a 5.6kW 84V DC
battery charger?  I'm not saying it can't be done, but once you get over about
3kW it's normal to use multi-phase power.

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, cook.rodney@... <cook.rodney@...>
wrote:

> From: cook.rodney@... <cook.rodney@...>
> Subject: [Xebra_EV] Re: Genset on a PK
> To: Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 9:27 PM
> I do not understand what you mean
> about corrupting batteries but I will try to describe what
> I'm talking about. Too bad I can't remember my calculus.
> The standard Xebra 1400 watt charger takes about 6 hours to
> charge the batteries enough to go 15 miles (about 8400 watts
> total). Let's figure I drive at 30 miles per hour.
> 1) Suppose I start out with full batteries and charge at
> 1400 watts as I drive -- I can go (15+2.5+.39+.06+.01) or
> about 17.96 miles.
> 2) Suppose I start out with full batteries and charge at
> 5600 watts as I drive -- I can go (15+10.75+6.75+4.5+3) or
> about 39.75 miles.
>
> Even though it would be cheaper to just drive my car for
> longer errands, I am going to add such a generator and
> charger to my Xebra because 2 or 3 times a month I want to
> run extended errands in the Xebra. Generally, the Xebra 15
> mile range works fine -- 5 miles to work, 3 miles to the
> hardware store, 1 mile to the grocery. My minivan often sits
> for a week between use.
>
> --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com,
> "__A_YAHOO_USER__" <pompeiijazz98@...> wrote:
> >
> > Is it because of the time factor of the charge that
> 1400 watts with a 7000 watt charger corrupts a battery as
> apposed to 5000 watts with a 7000 watt charger does not?
> >
> > --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com,
> "cook.rodney@" <cook.rodney@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I did not hear anyone mention the charger used
> with the generator. If you are charging at 1400 watts, a
> 7000 watt generator is of little use. However, charging at
> 5000 watts would extend your mileage dramatically.
> > >
> > > --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com,
> Keven Caldwell <greenmankc@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Not true, I used to use a 7kw genset to
> power my 06 PK to get up the 1200 ft
> > > > hill at mile 17 going home. You will need to
> unplug the interlock on the
> > > > charger and make a short heavy cord, the
> long ones got warm. If you are
> > > > buying one look for propane powered, cleaner
> and quieter than gas. That was
> > > > before my boss told me I couldn't plug in at
> work, now my $13k blue beastie
> > > > sits most of the time in the hoophouse
> giving my wife multiple opportunities
> > > > to give me THE LOOK.kev.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Hal Zucati
> <cyberfembot@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It's possible... but kinda defeats the
> purpose of having an electric.
> > > > >
> > > > > Consider this:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. You need to have PEAK 20kw of power
> and NOMINAL 10KW to make the PK go.
> > > > > In real generator numbers that's a
> 20,000 watt generator. Ever seen the
> > > > > size of one of those?
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. If you're just planning on charging
> and now powering your PK then the
> > > > > 5000w will do... BUT...
> > > > >    A. Generators are high
> maintanence.
> > > > >    B. Generators use GAS.
> > > > >    C. Generators are not
> efficient.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Save yourself the hassle, wiring,
> maintanence and GAS and just drive a
> > > > > efficient gas car.
> > > > >
> > > > > Seriously...
> > > > >
> > > > > There's a reason you haven't heard of
> this being done before... it just
> > > > > doesn't make good sense to.
> > > > >
> > > > >  - H
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On *Wed, 11/4/09, ghilliker
> <george_hilliker@>* wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: ghilliker
> <george_hilliker@>
> > > > > Subject: [Xebra_EV] Genset on a PK
> > > > > To: Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009,
> 11:12 AM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Is anyone actually using a genset to
> extend the range of a PK. I need to
> > > > > drive 35 miles one way and it seems
> like the best alternative. There are
> > > > > lots of posts but I was wondering if
> anyone is actually doing it. I could
> > > > > use a 5000w generator as backup power
> at the house.
> > > > >
> > > > > Comments?
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     Xebra_EV-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>

From: Phil and Toby-Lyn Heaven

To: Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 4:09 PM

Subject: Re: {Disarmed} [Xebra_EV] PK Springs Replacement Video

 

http://www.wacparts.com/index.php?main_page=document_product_info&cPath=6&products_id=19

There are videos for PK and SD as well as PDFs

WAC=Woodward Aftermarket Components

Phil

On Nov 8, 2009, at 10:12 AM, AlL wrote:

I keep seeing references to Woodwards Video of "Changing the Springs" on the Xebras. I have searched and Googled myself to no avail. Anybody know where I can get a copy of this video. Show and Tell is always valuable along w/instruction sheets.
I have the kit for the front spring, but I see no reference anywhere as to what you replace the rear PK springs with.

Tnx

Al

 

I do not understand what you mean about corrupting batteries but I will try to describe what I'm talking about. Too bad I can't remember my calculus.
The standard Xebra 1400 watt charger takes about 6 hours to charge the batteries enough to go 15 miles (about 8400 watts total). Let's figure I drive at 30 miles per hour.
1) Suppose I start out with full batteries and charge at 1400 watts as I drive -- I can go (15+2.5+.39+.06+.01) or about 17.96 miles.
2) Suppose I start out with full batteries and charge at 5600 watts as I drive -- I can go (15+10.75+6.75+4.5+3) or about 39.75 miles.

Even though it would be cheaper to just drive my car for longer errands, I am going to add such a generator and charger to my Xebra because 2 or 3 times a month I want to run extended errands in the Xebra. Generally, the Xebra 15 mile range works fine -- 5 miles to work, 3 miles to the hardware store, 1 mile to the grocery. My minivan often sits for a week between use.

--- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "__A_YAHOO_USER__" <pompeiijazz98@...> wrote:
>
> Is it because of the time factor of the charge that 1400 watts with a 7000 watt charger corrupts a battery as apposed to 5000 watts with a 7000 watt charger does not?
>
> --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "cook.rodney@" <cook.rodney@> wrote:
> >
> > I did not hear anyone mention the charger used with the generator. If you are charging at 1400 watts, a 7000 watt generator is of little use. However, charging at 5000 watts would extend your mileage dramatically.
> >
> > --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, Keven Caldwell <greenmankc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Not true, I used to use a 7kw genset to power my 06 PK to get up the 1200 ft
> > > hill at mile 17 going home. You will need to unplug the interlock on the
> > > charger and make a short heavy cord, the long ones got warm. If you are
> > > buying one look for propane powered, cleaner and quieter than gas. That was
> > > before my boss told me I couldn't plug in at work, now my $13k blue beastie
> > > sits most of the time in the hoophouse giving my wife multiple opportunities
> > > to give me THE LOOK.kev.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Hal Zucati <cyberfembot@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It's possible... but kinda defeats the purpose of having an electric.
> > > >
> > > > Consider this:
> > > >
> > > > 1. You need to have PEAK 20kw of power and NOMINAL 10KW to make the PK go.
> > > > In real generator numbers that's a 20,000 watt generator. Ever seen the
> > > > size of one of those?
> > > >
> > > > 2. If you're just planning on charging and now powering your PK then the
> > > > 5000w will do... BUT...
> > > > A. Generators are high maintanence.
> > > > B. Generators use GAS.
> > > > C. Generators are not efficient.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Save yourself the hassle, wiring, maintanence and GAS and just drive a
> > > > efficient gas car.
> > > >
> > > > Seriously...
> > > >
> > > > There's a reason you haven't heard of this being done before... it just
> > > > doesn't make good sense to.
> > > >
> > > > - H
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On *Wed, 11/4/09, ghilliker <george_hilliker@>* wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: ghilliker <george_hilliker@>
> > > > Subject: [Xebra_EV] Genset on a PK
> > > > To: Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 11:12 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Is anyone actually using a genset to extend the range of a PK. I need to
> > > > drive 35 miles one way and it seems like the best alternative. There are
> > > > lots of posts but I was wondering if anyone is actually doing it. I could
> > > > use a 5000w generator as backup power at the house.
> > > >
> > > > Comments?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

I do not understand what you mean about corrupting batteries but I will try to
describe what I'm talking about. Too bad I can't remember my calculus.
The standard Xebra 1400 watt charger takes about 6 hours to charge the batteries
enough to go 15 miles (about 8400 watts total). Let's figure I drive at 30 miles
per hour.
1) Suppose I start out with full batteries and charge at 1400 watts as I drive
-- I can go (15+2.5+.39+.06+.01) or about 17.96 miles.
2) Suppose I start out with full batteries and charge at 5600 watts as I drive
-- I can go (15+10.75+6.75+4.5+3) or about 39.75 miles.

Even though it would be cheaper to just drive my car for longer errands, I am
going to add such a generator and charger to my Xebra because 2 or 3 times a
month I want to run extended errands in the Xebra. Generally, the Xebra 15 mile
range works fine -- 5 miles to work, 3 miles to the hardware store, 1 mile to
the grocery. My minivan often sits for a week between use.

--- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "__A_YAHOO_USER__" <pompeiijazz98@...> wrote:
>
> Is it because of the time factor of the charge that 1400 watts with a 7000
watt charger corrupts a battery as apposed to 5000 watts with a 7000 watt
charger does not?
>
> --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "cook.rodney@" <cook.rodney@> wrote:
> >
> > I did not hear anyone mention the charger used with the generator. If you
are charging at 1400 watts, a 7000 watt generator is of little use. However,
charging at 5000 watts would extend your mileage dramatically.
> >
> > --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, Keven Caldwell <greenmankc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Not true, I used to use a 7kw genset to power my 06 PK to get up the 1200
ft
> > > hill at mile 17 going home. You will need to unplug the interlock on the
> > > charger and make a short heavy cord, the long ones got warm. If you are
> > > buying one look for propane powered, cleaner and quieter than gas. That
was
> > > before my boss told me I couldn't plug in at work, now my $13k blue
beastie
> > > sits most of the time in the hoophouse giving my wife multiple
opportunities
> > > to give me THE LOOK.kev.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Hal Zucati <cyberfembot@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It's possible... but kinda defeats the purpose of having an electric.
> > > >
> > > > Consider this:
> > > >
> > > > 1. You need to have PEAK 20kw of power and NOMINAL 10KW to make the PK
go.
> > > > In real generator numbers that's a 20,000 watt generator. Ever seen the
> > > > size of one of those?
> > > >
> > > > 2. If you're just planning on charging and now powering your PK then the
> > > > 5000w will do... BUT...
> > > >    A. Generators are high maintanence.
> > > >    B. Generators use GAS.
> > > >    C. Generators are not efficient.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Save yourself the hassle, wiring, maintanence and GAS and just drive a
> > > > efficient gas car.
> > > >
> > > > Seriously...
> > > >
> > > > There's a reason you haven't heard of this being done before... it just
> > > > doesn't make good sense to.
> > > >
> > > >  - H
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On *Wed, 11/4/09, ghilliker <george_hilliker@>* wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: ghilliker <george_hilliker@>
> > > > Subject: [Xebra_EV] Genset on a PK
> > > > To: Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 11:12 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Is anyone actually using a genset to extend the range of a PK. I need to
> > > > drive 35 miles one way and it seems like the best alternative. There are
> > > > lots of posts but I was wondering if anyone is actually doing it. I
could
> > > > use a 5000w generator as backup power at the house.
> > > >
> > > > Comments?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Any particular reasons for wanting Haze batteries ??

Roy


--- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "hamblin10" <hamblin10@...> wrote:
>
> where is the best place to buy hzb-ev12-110 batteries? I am in Tulsa Oklahoma.
Thanks.
>
> Patrick
>

I also downloaded something under the files section, which has that video and
other good info.  Look for "index".

Roy


--- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, Phil and Toby-Lyn Heaven <myheaven@...> wrote:
>
>
http://www.wacparts.com/index.php?main_page=document_product_info&cPath=6&produc\
ts_id=19
>
> There are videos for PK and SD as well as PDFs
> WAC=Woodward Aftermarket Components
>
>
> Phil
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2009, at 10:12 AM, AlL wrote:
>
> > I keep seeing references to Woodwards Video of "Changing the
> > Springs" on the Xebras. I have searched and Googled myself to no
> > avail. Anybody know where I can get a copy of this video. Show and
> > Tell is always valuable along w/instruction sheets.
> > I have the kit for the front spring, but I see no reference anywhere
> > as to what you replace the rear PK springs with.
> >
> > Tnx
> >
> > Al
> >
> >
> >
>

where is the best place to buy hzb-ev12-110 batteries? I am in Tulsa Oklahoma.
Thanks.

Patrick

I keep seeing references to Woodwards Video of "Changing the Springs" on the
Xebras. I have searched and Googled myself to no avail. Anybody know where I can
get a copy of this video. Show and Tell is always valuable along w/instruction
sheets.
I have the kit for the front spring, but I see no reference anywhere as to what
you replace the rear PK springs with.

Tnx

Al

Is it because of the time factor of the charge that 1400 watts with a 7000 watt
charger corrupts a battery as apposed to 5000 watts with a 7000 watt charger
does not?

--- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, "cook.rodney@..." <cook.rodney@...> wrote:
>
> I did not hear anyone mention the charger used with the generator. If you are
charging at 1400 watts, a 7000 watt generator is of little use. However,
charging at 5000 watts would extend your mileage dramatically.
>
> --- In Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com, Keven Caldwell <greenmankc@> wrote:
> >
> > Not true, I used to use a 7kw genset to power my 06 PK to get up the 1200 ft
> > hill at mile 17 going home. You will need to unplug the interlock on the
> > charger and make a short heavy cord, the long ones got warm. If you are
> > buying one look for propane powered, cleaner and quieter than gas. That was
> > before my boss told me I couldn't plug in at work, now my $13k blue beastie
> > sits most of the time in the hoophouse giving my wife multiple opportunities
> > to give me THE LOOK.kev.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Hal Zucati <cyberfembot@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > It's possible... but kinda defeats the purpose of having an electric.
> > >
> > > Consider this:
> > >
> > > 1. You need to have PEAK 20kw of power and NOMINAL 10KW to make the PK go.
> > > In real generator numbers that's a 20,000 watt generator. Ever seen the
> > > size of one of those?
> > >
> > > 2. If you're just planning on charging and now powering your PK then the
> > > 5000w will do... BUT...
> > >    A. Generators are high maintanence.
> > >    B. Generators use GAS.
> > >    C. Generators are not efficient.
> > >
> > >
> > > Save yourself the hassle, wiring, maintanence and GAS and just drive a
> > > efficient gas car.
> > >
> > > Seriously...
> > >
> > > There's a reason you haven't heard of this being done before... it just
> > > doesn't make good sense to.
> > >
> > >  - H
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On *Wed, 11/4/09, ghilliker <george_hilliker@>* wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: ghilliker <george_hilliker@>
> > > Subject: [Xebra_EV] Genset on a PK
> > > To: Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 11:12 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Is anyone actually using a genset to extend the range of a PK. I need to
> > > drive 35 miles one way and it seems like the best alternative. There are
> > > lots of posts but I was wondering if anyone is actually doing it. I could
> > > use a 5000w generator as backup power at the house.
> > >
> > > Comments?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: John Gipson

To: Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 8:10 PM

Subject: Re: [Xebra_EV] welded battery post

 

Hi, A note just before I turn off the computer for the night. To add more to what Ray said; you also must make sure that the battery is still sealed and not open to the atmosphere to vent electrolyte out. A cracked or broken open AGM  that gets down to  just the right low level, plus pulling lots of amperes can violently explode. It would be a good enough bang to scare the number 2 out of you; let alone if any of the acid sprays or vents onto you. So, are you carrying a box of baking soda in the vehicle with you? --- On Sat, 11/7/09, Ray Wells <raywingit@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Ray Wells <raywingit@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Xebra_EV] welded battery post To: Xebra_EV@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 8:53 PM   By "welded" you mean some of it has melted? If you can get a solid connection that can handle 300Amps, then keep using it. Also determine what caused the overheating - could be a poor crimp joint, or a missing washer - if lugs are attached using just a nut, somnetimes the pressure is heavy close to the stud but the lug becomes conical and there's no contact towards the outer edges. So always use a washer between a nut and a lug to spread the force over the contact area. --- On Sat, 11/7/09, hamblin10 <hamblin10@yahoo. com> wrote: > From: hamblin10 <hamblin10@yahoo. com> > Subject: [Xebra_EV] welded battery post > To: Xebra_EV@yahoogroup s.com > Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 11:20 PM > For the past week I have noticed a > slight burning smell inside the car while driving. The pak > tracker never saw anything wrong and the smell only happened > sometimes. Nothing ever felt hot. Then I was driving and > everything shut down. After looking everything over I found > this welded battery post. I have AGM batteries installed > with a 84v system. Is there anyway to save the battery or > should I just buy a new one. I am pretty new to the ev > world. Any help? Thanks, Patrick > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >     Xebra_EV-fullfeatur ed@yahoogroups. com > > >