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#95516 From: Phil Porter <peporter@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 11:13 pm
Subject: (NVSC) (NCCBC)...But....The Best Band You Never Heard Of... 		tigerphilsauce
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeoF0fsvo_c

and this doesn't even scratch the surface...

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#95515 From: Phil Porter <peporter@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 10:19 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker 		tigerphilsauce
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Hell, I'd settle for televised casual sex.....

Phil

At 03:10 PM 11/9/2009, you wrote:
 



--- In VStrom2@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Newby" <tireguy51@...> wrote:

>>I highly recommend it over casual sex.

I wish!

LB.


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#95514 From: "goluxgo" <goluxgo@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 9:10 pm
Subject: Re: Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker 		goluxgo
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--- In VStrom2@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Newby" <tireguy51@...> wrote:

  >>I highly recommend it over casual sex.

I wish!

LB.

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#95513 From: "Mark Newby" <tireguy51@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 6:46 pm
Subject: RE: Re: Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker 		sporttire2001
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You are exactly right that people often think that rich running condition equals more power.  It actually equals far less.  Complete combustion due to delivery of ideal fuel mixture based on throttle demand makes the most power.  The fuel air ratio for acceleration usually needs to be about 10:1 and for ideal efficiency at RPM about 13:1 – neither of which is precisely stoichiometric (approximately 14:1).  It is changing to the correct mixture for a given set of demand/rpm conditions that characterize a good fuel system.

 

I built a drag racing engine one time with a Holly carb – huge thing, 1000cfm – idle sucked, transition off idle sucked, starting sucked, but when you did a clutch drop at about 3000 rpm and then took it up to about 9000 to shift it made your eyes get real big and your reflexes real fast when it came time to shut it down.  9 second ¼ stuff, right where it gets real dangerous.  I highly recommend it over watching television and casual sex.

 

 

From: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VStrom2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of goluxgo
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 5:07 PM
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [VStrom2] Re: Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

 

 



--- In VStrom2@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Newby" <tireguy51@...> wrote:
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> What I want to say is that running right is the ultimate purpose of tuning,
> not "power". It will make all the power it possibly can if it runs right at
> all rpms and throttle openings and transitions between the two. Anything
> else is just futile nonsense.

It is surprising how many street/sport bikes with aftermarket pipes were jetted way to rich and stunk of hydro carbons. I guess the theory was that richer means more HP.
I always found bikes ran best overall with a touch of leanness, especially regarding top speed.
LB.


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#95512 From: "Jack P" <cjmcrider@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 5:33 pm
Subject: Re; nvsc. Sacrificing a classic bike 		cactusjack57...
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Hey Williecrash, do you have any pictures of your friends CX500 based dirt bike?
I used to think it was a shame to destroy a classic bike by modifying it but now
I think it's terriffic what some guys can make out of some old classic someone
left in a shed to rot. Jack

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#95511 From: "Mark Newby" <tireguy51@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 2:33 pm
Subject: RE: Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker 		sporttire2001
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We used to put around 8 cu ft of acetylene into a surplus military weather balloon filled with helium, then introduce about 1-2 cu ft of oxygen, add a 200 foot fuse and let it up as far as it would go, then light the fuse and release.  If you do it with low clouds, the sound and the pulsing glow you get when it ignites can be seen for miles. 

Be real careful when you introduce the oxygen.  I estimate that amount would probably blow your house down and the neighbors houses to each side off the foundations.

 

Start with the Styrofoam cup and you will be very impressed with the size of the explosion.

 

And now you know why they think aliens were landing in Roswell – again – in the late 60’s.

 

 

From: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VStrom2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hfc687
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 1:57 AM
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

 

 

ya can do the same thing with a styrofoam cup....turn it upside down on a work table with just maybe 5 percent of it hanging over the edge...point the cutting torch tip up into the cup (stoic tho it's mixture may hopefully be) giver her a good shot.....slide a piece of paper under the cup, light it....back away....BOOM! (bada bam bada bing!)



--- On Mon, 11/9/09, GaryS <gary.gman66@...> wrote:


From: GaryS <gary.gman66@...>
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 12:14 AM



wonders never cease with you willie!! i'd like to see them ballons in action, now you got me thinkin..... :)

 

g

 

----- Original Message -----

From: william rowe

Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:18 PM

Subject: RE: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

 

a true stoich mix is not a good thing for most motors...close  is nice

 

I like a true  stoichiometric mix when  I use the oxy acet torch to fill up large punch ballons on the 4th of july...

 

 



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--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Mark Newby <tireguy51@...> wrote:


From: Mark Newby <tireguy51@...>
Subject: RE: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 5:19 PM

 

You know, carburetors are great devices.  If they have an idle circuit, a pilot circuit, a needle jet circuit, and a main jet feeding the needle circuit, I like them just fine, and they can always be made to work if all the above are set right.  Here is the rub:  Some of those old carbs were missing one or more of those circuits na as a result they were touchy pieces of junk that you could get right in one area only to screw up another part of the rpm/throttle opening range.

 

THAT is why Mikunis and Keihins rock – they can be adjusted to work for any engine that is in the cfm range for the carb body.  In other words, a bike that only needs 200cfm wide open is not going to work well with a carb that can supply 500cfm – there is no combination of jets, praying or cursing that will make it work, you need a 300cfm carb for the application or you will never get it tuned.  The range of adjustment and available jets for such an engine/carb combination simply do not exist that will result in a  fuel/air ratio.   Yeah, that’s right.  Google it if you are not happy with the answer.

 

What I want to say is that running right is the ultimate purpose of tuning, not “power”.  It will make all the power it possibly can if it runs right at all rpms and throttle openings and transitions between the two.  Anything else is just futile nonsense.

 

I love you, man, why would I say you are full of anything?  Now, if I mention you could benefit from laxative therapy, that may be taken by some to imply fullness of waste products, but coming from me it probably means that I have observed a condition that I think I can help you with.  Uh-huh.  Yeah.  Heheheheh ……….

 

From: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com [mailto:VStrom2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of GaryS
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:38 AM
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

 

If I'm not mistaken, which I could be due to memory, but Lectrons were kinda for on/off throttle applications( racing), not too good for smooth metering on a street bike. At least back when I was into Nortons and Triumphs, we wanted Lectrons to replace the drizzly Amals, but always went with Mikunis for the reason above.

 

Now I'm sure some old fart that was a master tuner in his day will chip in and say different, say that Lectrons are the smoothest street carb on the planet, but back in my day(urp), they were for racing only.

 

I think this is the part where Newby comes in and tells me I'm full of shit, heheh. :)

 

g

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Phil Porter

Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:13 AM

Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

 

Are these for mainly racing application, or could they be a "livable" option for a street bike? Thinking the Ducati....like the DelOrto pumpers, but like the idea of the Lectrons.

At 12:05 AM 11/7/2009, you wrote:



http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ 4.htm
 
i have the lectron from my 1977 bultaco pursang to this day...

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Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com> wrote:

From: goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com>

Subject: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com

Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:02 PM

 

That bike is a thing of beauty.

LB.

http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ index.htm

 

 

 


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#95510 From: "GaryS" <gary.gman66@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 1:55 pm
Subject: Re: Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker 		gstrom66
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Huh, 4 Amals on a CB400, that is weird!! W-w-why! :)
 
g
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

weird thing about the amals...the cafe scuderia yellow peril CB400f that used to clean up in AHRMA competition ran 4 amals when by the rules it could have run mikunis. weird.

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Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, GaryS <gary.gman66@...> wrote:

From: GaryS <gary.gman66@...>
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 11:19 PM

 

Bings, Lectrons, Linkerts, Amals!!! I even had two Shovelheads with SU's on them. God I loved it back then, I was a kid learning how to tune stuff, dual points, leaky carbs, Lucas electrics, geez I'm gettin all misty here, they really were the good old bad days. I'm glad I got to experiance it. Kids now get an injected Jap bike, they never get to do anything but ride mile after reliable mile. Poor bastards.... :) 
 
g
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

btw, the hercules also runs a bing stock...and as I mentioned, it runs good with a bing. probably fouls plugs but thats more a reflection of not having a reed cage

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Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, william rowe <willycrash63@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: william rowe <willycrash63@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 9:51 PM

 
 I origially took the lectron off my 77'  bultaco which was a a little better than  he typical 125 MX bike of the era which is to say a not super peaky, and put it onto my 1981 KDX 175 enduro bike..which was a bike not known to be peaky at all in stock form...
 
oddly, without any rejetting the KDX  ran as good or slightly better than  it ran with the stock carb-faster on top as I recall. history does not record how the bull ran with the stock bing (I believe) but obviously the guy i bought it from replaced it for a reason.  anyway with the rather bare bones flat slide lectron  driveability was awsome right off idle to full scream. that being said, no one ran lectrons on enduro bikes that I ever heard of. 
 
on the other hand my buddy has been trying to rest the lectron away from me for his  mid 70's hercules ISDT bike for several months...aparently the internets tells him it should be done. the herc runs really well already though...
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Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, GaryS <gary.gman66@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: GaryS <gary.gman66@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 6:02 PM

 
Now I warnt tryin to push no buttons, I just know that you may have been around some racing bikes in the past when Lectrons were the carb of choice for wide open usage. I was putting you in the possible "Master Tuner" category, not the "old fart" category, shit Mark, we're all gettin to be old farts, so there ain't no insult in that. :)
 
But thinking about it, when me and my friends were looking at Lectrons, you were on tour one or two in Nam, I don't think they had many Lectrons over there.......
 
Okay now, have I groveled enough, heheh, now let me go find my Ex-Lax,
 
g
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Newby
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 3:19 PM
Subject: RE: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

You know, carburetors are great devices.  If they have an idle circuit, a pilot circuit, a needle jet circuit, and a main jet feeding the needle circuit, I like them just fine, and they can always be made to work if all the above are set right.  Here is the rub:  Some of those old carbs were missing one or more of those circuits na as a result they were touchy pieces of junk that you could get right in one area only to screw up another part of the rpm/throttle opening range.

 

THAT is why Mikunis and Keihins rock – they can be adjusted to work for any engine that is in the cfm range for the carb body.  In other words, a bike that only needs 200cfm wide open is not going to work well with a carb that can supply 500cfm – there is no combination of jets, praying or cursing that will make it work, you need a 300cfm carb for the application or you will never get it tuned.  The range of adjustment and available jets for such an engine/carb combination simply do not exist that will result in a stoichiometric fuel/air ratio.   Yeah, that’s right.  Google it if you are not happy with the answer.

What I want to say is that running right is the ultimate purpose of tuning, not “power”.  It will make all the power it possibly can if it runs right at all rpms and throttle openings and transitions between the two.  Anything else is just futile nonsense.

I love you, man, why would I say you are full of anything?  Now, if I mention you could benefit from laxative therapy, that may be taken by some to imply fullness of waste products, but coming from me it probably means that I have observed a condition that I think I can help you with.  Uh-huh.  Yeah.  Heheheheh ……….

From: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com [mailto:VStrom2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of GaryS
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:38 AM
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

If I'm not mistaken, which I could be due to memory, but Lectrons were kinda for on/off throttle applications( racing), not too good for smooth metering on a street bike. At least back when I was into Nortons and Triumphs, we wanted Lectrons to replace the drizzly Amals, but always went with Mikunis for the reason above.

 

Now I'm sure some old fart that was a master tuner in his day will chip in and say different, say that Lectrons are the smoothest street carb on the planet, but back in my day(urp), they were for racing only.

 

I think this is the part where Newby comes in and tells me I'm full of shit, heheh. :)

 

g

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Phil Porter

Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:13 AM

Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

 

Are these for mainly racing application, or could they be a "livable" option for a street bike? Thinking the Ducati....like the DelOrto pumpers, but like the idea of the Lectrons.

At 12:05 AM 11/7/2009, you wrote:



http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ 4.htm
 
i have the lectron from my 1977 bultaco pursang to this day...

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Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com> wrote:

From: goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com>

Subject: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com

Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:02 PM

That bike is a thing of beauty.

LB.

http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ index.htm





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#95509 From: "hfc687" <hfc687@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 11:48 am
Subject: Re: Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker 		hfc687
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always hard to argue with results."it worked"

shit. what works in theory dont always work when/where it counts. i took a year
of radio/tv repair at a vocational school once...did surprisingly well on the
"theory" part (most of which i have since forgotten) but absolutely couldnt fix
shit. the best tv repair technician is the one that can fix yer shit...not who
graduated the highest in their class (but nothing to say they might not have,
either) maybe its a left brain/right brain issue, who knows?

a good tuner can work in two different worlds, maybe three, maybe a hundred ( i
dunno how many) one of those worlds is intuitive, another has, and draws on a
database of shit that works "regardless of the reason". and they have to have a
meticulous/methodic nature. (sometimes) a person who understands the usefulness
of controls in an experiment. also able to say at times "fuck it...lets do this,
cuz we have done everything else....we even kept *notes*".

the sort of person who could fix jim lutters bike if you gave it to them.

i am not one of those people.

another stint in the same vo-tech school for automotive mechanics with a total
bullshitter for an instructor. but, a lot of the right tools to work with and
plenty of cars to fix (free repair of one's car...what a concept! no shortage) i
did manage to learn a thing or two that i only briefly applied "professionally",
a lot of which is now clearly obsolete...that was back in the mid-1970s.

i had one job as a paid mechanic. belt and hose swaps. oil changes. grease
jobs...that was about it. got bored. politics. quit. that and the fact that
whenever my head is lower than my feet and i am looking upward, i get nauseous,
always have. anyway. it sucked.

see. i aint in the least concerned in the moment about the digression. had the
thought, fuck it. yall were talking about stuff that interests me..that's all.
didnt mean to be a hog! oink!

--- In VStrom2@yahoogroups.com, william rowe <willycrash63@...> wrote:
>
> weird thing about the amals...the cafe scuderia yellow peril CB400f that used
to clean up in AHRMA competition ran 4 amals when by the rules it could have run
mikunis. weird.

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#95508 From: hfc687 <hfc687@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 11:17 am
Subject: Re: Re: NVSC....NON-DEBATE 		hfc687
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--- On Sun, 11/8/09, GaryS <gary.gman66@...> wrote:


> Yeah that was back when shit flinging
> was a true sport, kinda miss them days. Wonder where all the
> goose steppers went, they sure
> are quiet nowadays........

well. i managed to miss some of that during a couple of absences. sometimes i
dont remember why those happened exactly...priorities obviously of some
different sort. but i have enjoyed the new "scaled down" digs.

(speakin' for me) some shit woulda been done differently, some exactly the same,
but i have watched the core group, granted, smaller, "evolve" and it's really
pretty cool. i dont mind admitting to being a part of it....i think we're all
just doing fine...for a bunch of "eccentrics" who have owned, own, or will own
one of these fine bikes...."birds of a feather" so to speak. a good many of us
LOOSING some of those feathers along the way! plucked out of our asses
sometimes, others just falling out naturally. maybe winter is molting season!

that said. a ball cap works fine if one is self-conscious. if someone happens
along and steps in a pile of dookie...."oh well" comes with the territory...if
not here, then somewhere else. if it's a "problem" here then theres a good
chance the same problems pop up elsewhere.

> Well I don't do phone much,

its not a "natural" thing to me either....really pretty strange to think about.
the contradiction. loosely about the whole "phone bullshit" realm i often remark
of to my legally inclined....like...never mind. i'll spare you! aint nothing you
are not already familiar with i am sure!

>and since I moved out here I
> have no choice, I don't have a land line, I do have a nice
> $300 cell phone,
> but it doesn't get a signal out here, we are in a dead
> zone. Which really don't bother me cause I have some kind of
> aversion to
> talking on the phone anyway. Nuttin personal about it, I
> just don't like it.... :)
>
> g

no problem whatsoever....i get it. :-)

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#95507 From: hfc687 <hfc687@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 10:45 am
Subject: Re: Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker 		hfc687
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--- On Mon, 11/9/09, GaryS <gary.gman66@...> wrote:

Bings, Lectrons, Linkerts,
Amals!!! I even had two Shovelheads with SU's on them. God I loved it back then,
I was a kid learning how to tune stuff, dual points, leaky carbs, Lucas
electrics, geez I'm gettin all misty here, they really were the good old bad
days. I'm glad I got to experiance it. Kids now get aninjected Jap bike,
they never get to do anything but ride mile after reliable mile. Poor
bastards.... :)

g
+++++

"good ole bad" indeed. priceless tho. by the same token, "obsolete" (as relates
to one "generation" to the next) save for the experiences and knowledge carried
forward. might not ever have any realized "value". but, they ARE still internal
combustion engines (for now, still legal)...something to be said for knowing
this shit from the ground up. it's still relative. think back to the true early
days stuff, none of which have i ever sat on running...that would be a different
experience too from what most of us are likely to be familiar with.

still, i would love to own a brand-new bone stock royal enfield (latter
day-indian made) or a ural (sans sidecar) just to have something around that was
not so much dependable (as the first consideration) but depended upon (me) for
time spent "keeping it alive". and i know they are not THAT bad, just different
and more low-key...lots of low-key. not "instead of" but in an ideal world where
one could have both.

man. to be fortunate enough "coming up" to have some of the "hardships" caused
by owning bikes and cars that *really* needed some TLC! shit that was tore up
when you got it, and fuckin' "used up" when you turned loose of it!

like. "yeah man, that's some cool shit!" and. glad to have lived those same
"knowing" moments, and "as many as i can get" going forward is to die for and
real as it gets.

i went for a spin on the bike yesterday late. had a ball. the ball rolled. it
felt good. made my day complete and a whole lot "better".

and. the biggest question/concern to me was having to decide whether i was going
to clean and oil the chain before riding....an issue then (now) only because i
had put it off hoping for a warmer day cuz my heat gun quit working and i was
thinking that would be what i would end up using to heat the chain first***, so
as to enable more thorough penetration of the applied lubricant...i think it's
pj1, i forget...but its some slick shit and the chain is holding up
nicely....for a chain. yada yada.
(*** to any well-intentioned potential responder/passerby...i am aware of the
fire risk, thanks in advance!)


and ya know. truth be known, i miss some of the ritual shit that used to weigh
so heavily at times. if it weighed heavily why should i miss it? maybe after my
next ride i can/will go there but not at this moment.

so. i didn't get to the chain cleaning/lube-ing....no sweat. and yer right. kids
coming up on the new stuff are learning differently, or they aint learning shit
cuz they don't have to,  but it's different. improved metallurgy, manufacturing
techniques, better lubricants. a hell of a lot more aluminum and plastic, black
boxes and little bitty engine valves, just more of them, shims, "set it and
forget it", ron popeil would be proud i guess. and i dig that just fine on the
one hand, "miss the old shit" on the other...cuz the doing could be a pretty
damn enjoyable (when not frustrating) ritual experience...like...."it needs me".

now, current day, maybe it's more like...picture this....chris rock....big
toothy smile...."just ride the mutha-fucka.....yaaaaaaaaaaa" i dont know if he
rides or not. he'd probably be fun at a roadside stop tho....maybe, who knows, i
already said i dont!

one might ask
"hey chris...do you smoke dope?"

"naaaahhhhh....muthafucka....naaaaaahhhhh"

i just looked for something easy and found this:
http://punchlinemagazine.com/site/chris-rock-im-just-trying-to-be-funny/

some of the interviewers questions are pretty fuckin' lame. my judgment/opinion.
and. so what else is new? interviewers often sound like
suck-butts....ass-kissers, name droppers and show-offs. but then that might make
them more suited to a primary skill of the trade...."trick a famous person into
saying something stupid"

"naaaahhhhh....muthafucka"  they wouldn't do THAT would they? chris rock seems
like a smart person doing a smart thing..."a credit to his race" the human one.
i wish the man all the success in the world...."knowing" him through humor and
thought provoking ideas/statements has made my life better....he's one of many.

and what has this to do with leaky gaskets and dual-point ignitions?

no idea. whaddya expect at 5:30 in the morning?

hube

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#95506 From: hfc687 <hfc687@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 8:56 am
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ya can do the same thing with a styrofoam cup....turn it upside down on a work table with just maybe 5 percent of it hanging over the edge...point the cutting torch tip up into the cup (stoic tho it's mixture may hopefully be) giver her a good shot.....slide a piece of paper under the cup, light it....back away....BOOM! (bada bam bada bing!)



--- On Mon, 11/9/09, GaryS <gary.gman66@...> wrote:

From: GaryS <gary.gman66@...>
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 12:14 AM



wonders never cease with you willie!! i'd like to see them ballons in action, now you got me thinkin..... :)
 
g
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:18 PM
Subject: RE: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

a true stoich mix is not a good thing for most motors...close  is nice
 
I like a true  stoichiometric mix when  I use the oxy acet torch to fill up large punch ballons on the 4th of july...
 
 


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--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Mark Newby <tireguy51@...> wrote:

From: Mark Newby <tireguy51@...>
Subject: RE: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 5:19 PM

 

You know, carburetors are great devices.  If they have an idle circuit, a pilot circuit, a needle jet circuit, and a main jet feeding the needle circuit, I like them just fine, and they can always be made to work if all the above are set right.  Here is the rub:  Some of those old carbs were missing one or more of those circuits na as a result they were touchy pieces of junk that you could get right in one area only to screw up another part of the rpm/throttle opening range.

 

THAT is why Mikunis and Keihins rock – they can be adjusted to work for any engine that is in the cfm range for the carb body.  In other words, a bike that only needs 200cfm wide open is not going to work well with a carb that can supply 500cfm – there is no combination of jets, praying or cursing that will make it work, you need a 300cfm carb for the application or you will never get it tuned.  The range of adjustment and available jets for such an engine/carb combination simply do not exist that will result in a  fuel/air ratio.   Yeah, that’s right.  Google it if you are not happy with the answer.

 

What I want to say is that running right is the ultimate purpose of tuning, not “power”.  It will make all the power it possibly can if it runs right at all rpms and throttle openings and transitions between the two.  Anything else is just futile nonsense.

 

I love you, man, why would I say you are full of anything?  Now, if I mention you could benefit from laxative therapy, that may be taken by some to imply fullness of waste products, but coming from me it probably means that I have observed a condition that I think I can help you with.  Uh-huh.  Yeah.  Heheheheh ……….

 

From: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com [mailto:VStrom2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of GaryS
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:38 AM
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

 

If I'm not mistaken, which I could be due to memory, but Lectrons were kinda for on/off throttle applications( racing), not too good for smooth metering on a street bike. At least back when I was into Nortons and Triumphs, we wanted Lectrons to replace the drizzly Amals, but always went with Mikunis for the reason above.

 

Now I'm sure some old fart that was a master tuner in his day will chip in and say different, say that Lectrons are the smoothest street carb on the planet, but back in my day(urp), they were for racing only.

 

I think this is the part where Newby comes in and tells me I'm full of shit, heheh. :)

 

g

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Phil Porter

Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:13 AM

Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

 

Are these for mainly racing application, or could they be a "livable" option for a street bike? Thinking the Ducati....like the DelOrto pumpers, but like the idea of the Lectrons.

At 12:05 AM 11/7/2009, you wrote:



http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ 4.htm
 
i have the lectron from my 1977 bultaco pursang to this day...

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Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com> wrote:

From: goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com>

Subject: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com

Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:02 PM

 

That bike is a thing of beauty.

LB.

http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ index.htm

 






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#95505 From: william rowe <willycrash63@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 6:28 am
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weird thing about the amals...the cafe scuderia yellow peril CB400f that used to clean up in AHRMA competition ran 4 amals when by the rules it could have run mikunis. weird.

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Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, GaryS <gary.gman66@...> wrote:

From: GaryS <gary.gman66@...>
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 11:19 PM

 

Bings, Lectrons, Linkerts, Amals!!! I even had two Shovelheads with SU's on them. God I loved it back then, I was a kid learning how to tune stuff, dual points, leaky carbs, Lucas electrics, geez I'm gettin all misty here, they really were the good old bad days. I'm glad I got to experiance it. Kids now get an injected Jap bike, they never get to do anything but ride mile after reliable mile. Poor bastards.... :) 
 
g
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

btw, the hercules also runs a bing stock...and as I mentioned, it runs good with a bing. probably fouls plugs but thats more a reflection of not having a reed cage

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Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, william rowe <willycrash63@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: william rowe <willycrash63@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 9:51 PM

 
 I origially took the lectron off my 77'  bultaco which was a a little better than  he typical 125 MX bike of the era which is to say a not super peaky, and put it onto my 1981 KDX 175 enduro bike..which was a bike not known to be peaky at all in stock form...
 
oddly, without any rejetting the KDX  ran as good or slightly better than  it ran with the stock carb-faster on top as I recall. history does not record how the bull ran with the stock bing (I believe) but obviously the guy i bought it from replaced it for a reason.  anyway with the rather bare bones flat slide lectron  driveability was awsome right off idle to full scream. that being said, no one ran lectrons on enduro bikes that I ever heard of. 
 
on the other hand my buddy has been trying to rest the lectron away from me for his  mid 70's hercules ISDT bike for several months...aparently the internets tells him it should be done. the herc runs really well already though...
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Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, GaryS <gary.gman66@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: GaryS <gary.gman66@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 6:02 PM

 
Now I warnt tryin to push no buttons, I just know that you may have been around some racing bikes in the past when Lectrons were the carb of choice for wide open usage. I was putting you in the possible "Master Tuner" category, not the "old fart" category, shit Mark, we're all gettin to be old farts, so there ain't no insult in that. :)
 
But thinking about it, when me and my friends were looking at Lectrons, you were on tour one or two in Nam, I don't think they had many Lectrons over there.......
 
Okay now, have I groveled enough, heheh, now let me go find my Ex-Lax,
 
g
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Newby
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 3:19 PM
Subject: RE: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

You know, carburetors are great devices.  If they have an idle circuit, a pilot circuit, a needle jet circuit, and a main jet feeding the needle circuit, I like them just fine, and they can always be made to work if all the above are set right.  Here is the rub:  Some of those old carbs were missing one or more of those circuits na as a result they were touchy pieces of junk that you could get right in one area only to screw up another part of the rpm/throttle opening range.

 

THAT is why Mikunis and Keihins rock – they can be adjusted to work for any engine that is in the cfm range for the carb body.  In other words, a bike that only needs 200cfm wide open is not going to work well with a carb that can supply 500cfm – there is no combination of jets, praying or cursing that will make it work, you need a 300cfm carb for the application or you will never get it tuned.  The range of adjustment and available jets for such an engine/carb combination simply do not exist that will result in a stoichiometric fuel/air ratio.   Yeah, that’s right.  Google it if you are not happy with the answer.

 

What I want to say is that running right is the ultimate purpose of tuning, not “power”.  It will make all the power it possibly can if it runs right at all rpms and throttle openings and transitions between the two.  Anything else is just futile nonsense.

I love you, man, why would I say you are full of anything?  Now, if I mention you could benefit from laxative therapy, that may be taken by some to imply fullness of waste products, but coming from me it probably means that I have observed a condition that I think I can help you with.  Uh-huh.  Yeah.  Heheheheh ……….

From: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com [mailto:VStrom2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of GaryS
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:38 AM
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

If I'm not mistaken, which I could be due to memory, but Lectrons were kinda for on/off throttle applications( racing), not too good for smooth metering on a street bike. At least back when I was into Nortons and Triumphs, we wanted Lectrons to replace the drizzly Amals, but always went with Mikunis for the reason above.

 

Now I'm sure some old fart that was a master tuner in his day will chip in and say different, say that Lectrons are the smoothest street carb on the planet, but back in my day(urp), they were for racing only.

 

I think this is the part where Newby comes in and tells me I'm full of shit, heheh. :)

 

g

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Phil Porter

Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:13 AM

Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

 

Are these for mainly racing application, or could they be a "livable" option for a street bike? Thinking the Ducati....like the DelOrto pumpers, but like the idea of the Lectrons.

At 12:05 AM 11/7/2009, you wrote:



http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ 4.htm
 
i have the lectron from my 1977 bultaco pursang to this day...

1----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----
Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com> wrote:

From: goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com>

Subject: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com

Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:02 PM

That bike is a thing of beauty.

LB.

http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ index.htm





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#95504 From: william rowe <willycrash63@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 6:18 am
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my brother was playing with  garabage bags full of the nuetral mix  down by the river and ...something happened...all he knows is ,one minute he was lighting the fuze the next minute he was treading water with blood pouring out of his nose and one ear... i think they call that "over pressure" in the military...his work shirt left a cool pattern on his chest...you could actually do a thread count fro m the impression it left in his skin. at least it didnt melt onto him! thats why we like cotton
 
anyway, the nuetral mix is the nice white blue hot flame..then you hit the torch against the ground to put out the flame and start filling ballooons...just be extemely careful! its much louder than you'd guess

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, GaryS <gary.gman66@...> wrote:

From: GaryS <gary.gman66@...>
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 11:14 PM

 

wonders never cease with you willie!! i'd like to see them ballons in action, now you got me thinkin..... :)
 
g
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:18 PM
Subject: RE: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

a true stoich mix is not a good thing for most motors...close  is nice
 
I like a true  stoichiometric mix when  I use the oxy acet torch to fill up large punch ballons on the 4th of july...
 
 


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--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Mark Newby <tireguy51@msn. com> wrote:

From: Mark Newby <tireguy51@msn. com>
Subject: RE: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 5:19 PM

 

You know, carburetors are great devices.  If they have an idle circuit, a pilot circuit, a needle jet circuit, and a main jet feeding the needle circuit, I like them just fine, and they can always be made to work if all the above are set right.  Here is the rub:  Some of those old carbs were missing one or more of those circuits na as a result they were touchy pieces of junk that you could get right in one area only to screw up another part of the rpm/throttle opening range.

 

THAT is why Mikunis and Keihins rock – they can be adjusted to work for any engine that is in the cfm range for the carb body.  In other words, a bike that only needs 200cfm wide open is not going to work well with a carb that can supply 500cfm – there is no combination of jets, praying or cursing that will make it work, you need a 300cfm carb for the application or you will never get it tuned.  The range of adjustment and available jets for such an engine/carb combination simply do not exist that will result in a  fuel/air ratio.   Yeah, that’s right.  Google it if you are not happy with the answer.

 

What I want to say is that running right is the ultimate purpose of tuning, not “power”.  It will make all the power it possibly can if it runs right at all rpms and throttle openings and transitions between the two.  Anything else is just futile nonsense.

 

I love you, man, why would I say you are full of anything?  Now, if I mention you could benefit from laxative therapy, that may be taken by some to imply fullness of waste products, but coming from me it probably means that I have observed a condition that I think I can help you with.  Uh-huh.  Yeah.  Heheheheh ……….

 

From: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com [mailto:VStrom2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of GaryS
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:38 AM
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

 

If I'm not mistaken, which I could be due to memory, but Lectrons were kinda for on/off throttle applications( racing), not too good for smooth metering on a street bike. At least back when I was into Nortons and Triumphs, we wanted Lectrons to replace the drizzly Amals, but always went with Mikunis for the reason above.

 

Now I'm sure some old fart that was a master tuner in his day will chip in and say different, say that Lectrons are the smoothest street carb on the planet, but back in my day(urp), they were for racing only.

 

I think this is the part where Newby comes in and tells me I'm full of shit, heheh. :)

 

g

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Phil Porter

Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:13 AM

Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

 

Are these for mainly racing application, or could they be a "livable" option for a street bike? Thinking the Ducati....like the DelOrto pumpers, but like the idea of the Lectrons.

At 12:05 AM 11/7/2009, you wrote:



http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ 4.htm
 
i have the lectron from my 1977 bultaco pursang to this day...

1----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----
Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com> wrote:

From: goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com>

Subject: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com

Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:02 PM

 

That bike is a thing of beauty.

LB.

http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ index.htm

 




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#95503 From: william rowe <willycrash63@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 6:12 am
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http://www.lectronfuelsystems.com/
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Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, GaryS <gary.gman66@...> wrote:

From: GaryS <gary.gman66@...>
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 11:12 PM

 

I saw several Lectrons back in the day on HDs. None of them ever ran real good, they were minus some of the extra circuits that Mark mentioned to make them have smooth drivability. I'm sure some of it was who was tuning them, but they weren't the best option out there at the time. We just ended up labeling them for racing only, some of the early S&S carbs were the same way. It wasn't worth what money a guy had at the time to mess with something that may not work or that was a pain in the ass to tune. A carb that spits, coughs and stumbles, no matter how cool it looks is still a piece of crapola. When guys would take their stock Bendix or Kiehin carbs off their Shovelheads to put on S&Ss, the Panhead and Knuckle guys would put those carbs on their old iron and they would run sweet. Much better than a brass Linkert. :) And actually an early Lectron was about the same as a Linkert in functionality. You just had to run them real rich so that the off idle transition thru the mid range would work without spitting and shit.
 
I don't know, I haven't looked, but maybe you can get a Lectron with a accel pump and stuff now? Or maybe they've added extra circuits to smooth the throttle transitions? 
 
g
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

I recal seeing lectrons on harely sportsters a few times in the day. I cannot tell attest  to the drivability in that application but one of the bieks was certainly a daily rider

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Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Phil Porter <peporter@flash. net> wrote:

From: Phil Porter <peporter@flash. net>
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 11:13 AM

 
Are these for mainly racing application, or could they be a "livable" option for a street bike? Thinking the Ducati....like the DelOrto pumpers, but like the idea of the Lectrons.

At 12:05 AM 11/7/2009, you wrote:


http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ 4.htm
 
i have the lectron from my 1977 bultaco pursang to this day...

1----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----
Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com> wrote:

From: goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com>
Subject: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:02 PM


That bike is a thing of beauty.
LB.

http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ index.htm





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#95502 From: william rowe <willycrash63@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 5:34 am
Subject: Re: (NVSC) Concrete Blonde 		willycrash63
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well eddie you really are a CB fan!
 
you can hear the trailer park in her voice on ' the side of the road'.
out leonards leonard cohen
http://new.music.yahoo.com/videos/Concrete+Blonde/Everybody+Knows--2140525
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Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, transalp 1 <transalp1@...> wrote:

From: transalp 1 <transalp1@...>
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] (NVSC) Concrete Blonde
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 10:22 PM

 
I have Still In Hollywood - A neat compilation! I have several others, too (Bloodletting, Free, Walking in London, etc...)
Country stuff, you say? I guess the very up-empo Ghost of a Texas Ladies Man qualifies, doesn't it?
It's a fun song!
eddie
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 11/8/2009 10:29:16 PM
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] (NVSC) Concrete Blonde

 
the weird thing about johnette is she can do old school country stuff real well. 
one could look around for her tune "by the side of the road" to hear that sort of  thing...which can also be found on the compilation "still i n hollywood"
1From: transalp 1 <transalp1@mindsprin g.com>
Subject: [VStrom2] (NVSC) Concrete Blonde


 
From waaaay back!
 
Trivia: I once read an interview with Dwight Yokum (Doyle Hargraves in Slingblade) and he said his favorite female vocalist was Johnette Napolitano!
 
eddie
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: goluxgo
Sent: 11/8/2009 12:38:45 AM
Subject: [VStrom2] (NVSC) Concrete Blonde

 



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#95501 From: "GaryS" <gary.gman66@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 5:19 am
Subject: Re: Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker 		gstrom66
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Bings, Lectrons, Linkerts, Amals!!! I even had two Shovelheads with SU's on them. God I loved it back then, I was a kid learning how to tune stuff, dual points, leaky carbs, Lucas electrics, geez I'm gettin all misty here, they really were the good old bad days. I'm glad I got to experiance it. Kids now get an injected Jap bike, they never get to do anything but ride mile after reliable mile. Poor bastards.... :) 
 
g
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

btw, the hercules also runs a bing stock...and as I mentioned, it runs good with a bing. probably fouls plugs but thats more a reflection of not having a reed cage

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Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, william rowe <willycrash63@...> wrote:

From: william rowe <willycrash63@...>
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 9:51 PM

 
 I origially took the lectron off my 77'  bultaco which was a a little better than  he typical 125 MX bike of the era which is to say a not super peaky, and put it onto my 1981 KDX 175 enduro bike..which was a bike not known to be peaky at all in stock form...
 
oddly, without any rejetting the KDX  ran as good or slightly better than  it ran with the stock carb-faster on top as I recall. history does not record how the bull ran with the stock bing (I believe) but obviously the guy i bought it from replaced it for a reason.  anyway with the rather bare bones flat slide lectron  driveability was awsome right off idle to full scream. that being said, no one ran lectrons on enduro bikes that I ever heard of. 
 
on the other hand my buddy has been trying to rest the lectron away from me for his  mid 70's hercules ISDT bike for several months...aparently the internets tells him it should be done. the herc runs really well already though...
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Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, GaryS <gary.gman66@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: GaryS <gary.gman66@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 6:02 PM

 
Now I warnt tryin to push no buttons, I just know that you may have been around some racing bikes in the past when Lectrons were the carb of choice for wide open usage. I was putting you in the possible "Master Tuner" category, not the "old fart" category, shit Mark, we're all gettin to be old farts, so there ain't no insult in that. :)
 
But thinking about it, when me and my friends were looking at Lectrons, you were on tour one or two in Nam, I don't think they had many Lectrons over there.......
 
Okay now, have I groveled enough, heheh, now let me go find my Ex-Lax,
 
g
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Newby
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 3:19 PM
Subject: RE: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

You know, carburetors are great devices.  If they have an idle circuit, a pilot circuit, a needle jet circuit, and a main jet feeding the needle circuit, I like them just fine, and they can always be made to work if all the above are set right.  Here is the rub:  Some of those old carbs were missing one or more of those circuits na as a result they were touchy pieces of junk that you could get right in one area only to screw up another part of the rpm/throttle opening range.

 

THAT is why Mikunis and Keihins rock – they can be adjusted to work for any engine that is in the cfm range for the carb body.  In other words, a bike that only needs 200cfm wide open is not going to work well with a carb that can supply 500cfm – there is no combination of jets, praying or cursing that will make it work, you need a 300cfm carb for the application or you will never get it tuned.  The range of adjustment and available jets for such an engine/carb combination simply do not exist that will result in a stoichiometric fuel/air ratio.   Yeah, that’s right.  Google it if you are not happy with the answer.

 

What I want to say is that running right is the ultimate purpose of tuning, not “power”.  It will make all the power it possibly can if it runs right at all rpms and throttle openings and transitions between the two.  Anything else is just futile nonsense.

I love you, man, why would I say you are full of anything?  Now, if I mention you could benefit from laxative therapy, that may be taken by some to imply fullness of waste products, but coming from me it probably means that I have observed a condition that I think I can help you with.  Uh-huh.  Yeah.  Heheheheh ……….

From: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com [mailto:VStrom2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of GaryS
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:38 AM
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

If I'm not mistaken, which I could be due to memory, but Lectrons were kinda for on/off throttle applications( racing), not too good for smooth metering on a street bike. At least back when I was into Nortons and Triumphs, we wanted Lectrons to replace the drizzly Amals, but always went with Mikunis for the reason above.

 

Now I'm sure some old fart that was a master tuner in his day will chip in and say different, say that Lectrons are the smoothest street carb on the planet, but back in my day(urp), they were for racing only.

 

I think this is the part where Newby comes in and tells me I'm full of shit, heheh. :)

 

g

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Phil Porter

Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:13 AM

Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

 

Are these for mainly racing application, or could they be a "livable" option for a street bike? Thinking the Ducati....like the DelOrto pumpers, but like the idea of the Lectrons.

At 12:05 AM 11/7/2009, you wrote:



http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ 4.htm
 
i have the lectron from my 1977 bultaco pursang to this day...

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Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com> wrote:

From: goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com>

Subject: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com

Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:02 PM

That bike is a thing of beauty.

LB.

http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ index.htm




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#95500 From: "GaryS" <gary.gman66@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 5:14 am
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wonders never cease with you willie!! i'd like to see them ballons in action, now you got me thinkin..... :)
 
g
 
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Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:18 PM
Subject: RE: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

a true stoich mix is not a good thing for most motors...close  is nice
 
I like a true  stoichiometric mix when  I use the oxy acet torch to fill up large punch ballons on the 4th of july...
 
 


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--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Mark Newby <tireguy51@...> wrote:

From: Mark Newby <tireguy51@...>
Subject: RE: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 5:19 PM

 

You know, carburetors are great devices.  If they have an idle circuit, a pilot circuit, a needle jet circuit, and a main jet feeding the needle circuit, I like them just fine, and they can always be made to work if all the above are set right.  Here is the rub:  Some of those old carbs were missing one or more of those circuits na as a result they were touchy pieces of junk that you could get right in one area only to screw up another part of the rpm/throttle opening range.

 

THAT is why Mikunis and Keihins rock – they can be adjusted to work for any engine that is in the cfm range for the carb body.  In other words, a bike that only needs 200cfm wide open is not going to work well with a carb that can supply 500cfm – there is no combination of jets, praying or cursing that will make it work, you need a 300cfm carb for the application or you will never get it tuned.  The range of adjustment and available jets for such an engine/carb combination simply do not exist that will result in a  fuel/air ratio.   Yeah, that’s right.  Google it if you are not happy with the answer.

 

What I want to say is that running right is the ultimate purpose of tuning, not “power”.  It will make all the power it possibly can if it runs right at all rpms and throttle openings and transitions between the two.  Anything else is just futile nonsense.

 

I love you, man, why would I say you are full of anything?  Now, if I mention you could benefit from laxative therapy, that may be taken by some to imply fullness of waste products, but coming from me it probably means that I have observed a condition that I think I can help you with.  Uh-huh.  Yeah.  Heheheheh ……….

 

From: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com [mailto:VStrom2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of GaryS
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:38 AM
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

 

If I'm not mistaken, which I could be due to memory, but Lectrons were kinda for on/off throttle applications( racing), not too good for smooth metering on a street bike. At least back when I was into Nortons and Triumphs, we wanted Lectrons to replace the drizzly Amals, but always went with Mikunis for the reason above.

 

Now I'm sure some old fart that was a master tuner in his day will chip in and say different, say that Lectrons are the smoothest street carb on the planet, but back in my day(urp), they were for racing only.

 

I think this is the part where Newby comes in and tells me I'm full of shit, heheh. :)

 

g

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Phil Porter

Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:13 AM

Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

 

Are these for mainly racing application, or could they be a "livable" option for a street bike? Thinking the Ducati....like the DelOrto pumpers, but like the idea of the Lectrons.

At 12:05 AM 11/7/2009, you wrote:



http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ 4.htm
 
i have the lectron from my 1977 bultaco pursang to this day...

1----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----
Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com> wrote:

From: goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com>

Subject: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com

Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:02 PM

 

That bike is a thing of beauty.

LB.

http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ index.htm

 



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#95499 From: "GaryS" <gary.gman66@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 5:12 am
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I saw several Lectrons back in the day on HDs. None of them ever ran real good, they were minus some of the extra circuits that Mark mentioned to make them have smooth drivability. I'm sure some of it was who was tuning them, but they weren't the best option out there at the time. We just ended up labeling them for racing only, some of the early S&S carbs were the same way. It wasn't worth what money a guy had at the time to mess with something that may not work or that was a pain in the ass to tune. A carb that spits, coughs and stumbles, no matter how cool it looks is still a piece of crapola. When guys would take their stock Bendix or Kiehin carbs off their Shovelheads to put on S&Ss, the Panhead and Knuckle guys would put those carbs on their old iron and they would run sweet. Much better than a brass Linkert. :) And actually an early Lectron was about the same as a Linkert in functionality. You just had to run them real rich so that the off idle transition thru the mid range would work without spitting and shit.
 
I don't know, I haven't looked, but maybe you can get a Lectron with a accel pump and stuff now? Or maybe they've added extra circuits to smooth the throttle transitions? 
 
g
 
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Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

I recal seeing lectrons on harely sportsters a few times in the day. I cannot tell attest  to the drivability in that application but one of the bieks was certainly a daily rider

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Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Phil Porter <peporter@...> wrote:

From: Phil Porter <peporter@...>
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 11:13 AM

 
Are these for mainly racing application, or could they be a "livable" option for a street bike? Thinking the Ducati....like the DelOrto pumpers, but like the idea of the Lectrons.

At 12:05 AM 11/7/2009, you wrote:


http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ 4.htm
 
i have the lectron from my 1977 bultaco pursang to this day...

1----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----
Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com> wrote:

From: goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com>
Subject: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:02 PM


That bike is a thing of beauty.
LB.

http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ index.htm




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#95498 From: "transalp 1" <transalp1@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 4:22 am
Subject: Re: (NVSC) Concrete Blonde 		edgyver31906
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I have Still In Hollywood - A neat compilation! I have several others, too (Bloodletting, Free, Walking in London, etc...)
Country stuff, you say? I guess the very up-empo Ghost of a Texas Ladies Man qualifies, doesn't it?
It's a fun song!
eddie
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 11/8/2009 10:29:16 PM
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] (NVSC) Concrete Blonde

 

the weird thing about johnette is she can do old school country stuff real well. 
one could look around for her tune "by the side of the road" to hear that sort of  thing...which can also be found on the compilation "still i n hollywood"
1From: transalp 1 <transalp1@mindspring.com>
Subject: [VStrom2] (NVSC) Concrete Blonde


 
From waaaay back!
 
Trivia: I once read an interview with Dwight Yokum (Doyle Hargraves in Slingblade) and he said his favorite female vocalist was Johnette Napolitano!
 
eddie
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: goluxgo
Sent: 11/8/2009 12:38:45 AM
Subject: [VStrom2] (NVSC) Concrete Blonde

 


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#95497 From: william rowe <willycrash63@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 4:18 am
Subject: RE: Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker 		willycrash63
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a true stoich mix is not a good thing for most motors...close  is nice
 
I like a true  stoichiometric mix when  I use the oxy acet torch to fill up large punch ballons on the 4th of july...
 
 


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--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Mark Newby <tireguy51@...> wrote:

From: Mark Newby <tireguy51@...>
Subject: RE: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 5:19 PM

 

You know, carburetors are great devices.  If they have an idle circuit, a pilot circuit, a needle jet circuit, and a main jet feeding the needle circuit, I like them just fine, and they can always be made to work if all the above are set right.  Here is the rub:  Some of those old carbs were missing one or more of those circuits na as a result they were touchy pieces of junk that you could get right in one area only to screw up another part of the rpm/throttle opening range.

 

THAT is why Mikunis and Keihins rock – they can be adjusted to work for any engine that is in the cfm range for the carb body.  In other words, a bike that only needs 200cfm wide open is not going to work well with a carb that can supply 500cfm – there is no combination of jets, praying or cursing that will make it work, you need a 300cfm carb for the application or you will never get it tuned.  The range of adjustment and available jets for such an engine/carb combination simply do not exist that will result in a  fuel/air ratio.   Yeah, that’s right.  Google it if you are not happy with the answer.

 

What I want to say is that running right is the ultimate purpose of tuning, not “power”.  It will make all the power it possibly can if it runs right at all rpms and throttle openings and transitions between the two.  Anything else is just futile nonsense.

 

I love you, man, why would I say you are full of anything?  Now, if I mention you could benefit from laxative therapy, that may be taken by some to imply fullness of waste products, but coming from me it probably means that I have observed a condition that I think I can help you with.  Uh-huh.  Yeah.  Heheheheh ……….

 

From: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com [mailto:VStrom2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of GaryS
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:38 AM
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

 

 

If I'm not mistaken, which I could be due to memory, but Lectrons were kinda for on/off throttle applications( racing), not too good for smooth metering on a street bike. At least back when I was into Nortons and Triumphs, we wanted Lectrons to replace the drizzly Amals, but always went with Mikunis for the reason above.

 

Now I'm sure some old fart that was a master tuner in his day will chip in and say different, say that Lectrons are the smoothest street carb on the planet, but back in my day(urp), they were for racing only.

 

I think this is the part where Newby comes in and tells me I'm full of shit, heheh. :)

 

g

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Phil Porter

Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:13 AM

Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

 

Are these for mainly racing application, or could they be a "livable" option for a street bike? Thinking the Ducati....like the DelOrto pumpers, but like the idea of the Lectrons.

At 12:05 AM 11/7/2009, you wrote:



http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ 4.htm
 
i have the lectron from my 1977 bultaco pursang to this day...

1----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----
Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com> wrote:

From: goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com>

Subject: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com

Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:02 PM

 

That bike is a thing of beauty.

LB.

http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ index.htm

 



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#95496 From: william rowe <willycrash63@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 4:12 am
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btw, the hercules also runs a bing stock...and as I mentioned, it runs good with a bing. probably fouls plugs but thats more a reflection of not having a reed cage

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Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, william rowe <willycrash63@...> wrote:

From: william rowe <willycrash63@...>
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 9:51 PM

 
 I origially took the lectron off my 77'  bultaco which was a a little better than  he typical 125 MX bike of the era which is to say a not super peaky, and put it onto my 1981 KDX 175 enduro bike..which was a bike not known to be peaky at all in stock form...
 
oddly, without any rejetting the KDX  ran as good or slightly better than  it ran with the stock carb-faster on top as I recall. history does not record how the bull ran with the stock bing (I believe) but obviously the guy i bought it from replaced it for a reason.  anyway with the rather bare bones flat slide lectron  driveability was awsome right off idle to full scream. that being said, no one ran lectrons on enduro bikes that I ever heard of. 
 
on the other hand my buddy has been trying to rest the lectron away from me for his  mid 70's hercules ISDT bike for several months...aparently the internets tells him it should be done. the herc runs really well already though...
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Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, GaryS <gary.gman66@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: GaryS <gary.gman66@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 6:02 PM

 
Now I warnt tryin to push no buttons, I just know that you may have been around some racing bikes in the past when Lectrons were the carb of choice for wide open usage. I was putting you in the possible "Master Tuner" category, not the "old fart" category, shit Mark, we're all gettin to be old farts, so there ain't no insult in that. :)
 
But thinking about it, when me and my friends were looking at Lectrons, you were on tour one or two in Nam, I don't think they had many Lectrons over there.......
 
Okay now, have I groveled enough, heheh, now let me go find my Ex-Lax,
 
g
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Newby
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 3:19 PM
Subject: RE: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

You know, carburetors are great devices.  If they have an idle circuit, a pilot circuit, a needle jet circuit, and a main jet feeding the needle circuit, I like them just fine, and they can always be made to work if all the above are set right.  Here is the rub:  Some of those old carbs were missing one or more of those circuits na as a result they were touchy pieces of junk that you could get right in one area only to screw up another part of the rpm/throttle opening range.

 

THAT is why Mikunis and Keihins rock – they can be adjusted to work for any engine that is in the cfm range for the carb body.  In other words, a bike that only needs 200cfm wide open is not going to work well with a carb that can supply 500cfm – there is no combination of jets, praying or cursing that will make it work, you need a 300cfm carb for the application or you will never get it tuned.  The range of adjustment and available jets for such an engine/carb combination simply do not exist that will result in a stoichiometric fuel/air ratio.   Yeah, that’s right.  Google it if you are not happy with the answer.

 

What I want to say is that running right is the ultimate purpose of tuning, not “power”.  It will make all the power it possibly can if it runs right at all rpms and throttle openings and transitions between the two.  Anything else is just futile nonsense.

 

I love you, man, why would I say you are full of anything?  Now, if I mention you could benefit from laxative therapy, that may be taken by some to imply fullness of waste products, but coming from me it probably means that I have observed a condition that I think I can help you with.  Uh-huh.  Yeah.  Heheheheh ……….

 

From: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com [mailto:VStrom2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of GaryS
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:38 AM
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

 

 

If I'm not mistaken, which I could be due to memory, but Lectrons were kinda for on/off throttle applications( racing), not too good for smooth metering on a street bike. At least back when I was into Nortons and Triumphs, we wanted Lectrons to replace the drizzly Amals, but always went with Mikunis for the reason above.

 

Now I'm sure some old fart that was a master tuner in his day will chip in and say different, say that Lectrons are the smoothest street carb on the planet, but back in my day(urp), they were for racing only.

 

I think this is the part where Newby comes in and tells me I'm full of shit, heheh. :)

 

g

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Phil Porter

Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:13 AM

Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

 

Are these for mainly racing application, or could they be a "livable" option for a street bike? Thinking the Ducati....like the DelOrto pumpers, but like the idea of the Lectrons.

At 12:05 AM 11/7/2009, you wrote:



http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ 4.htm
 
i have the lectron from my 1977 bultaco pursang to this day...

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Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com> wrote:

From: goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com>

Subject: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com

Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:02 PM

 

That bike is a thing of beauty.

LB.

http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ index.htm

 




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#95495 From: william rowe <willycrash63@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 4:01 am
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I recal seeing lectrons on harely sportsters a few times in the day. I cannot tell attest  to the drivability in that application but one of the bieks was certainly a daily rider

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Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Phil Porter <peporter@...> wrote:

From: Phil Porter <peporter@...>
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 11:13 AM

 
Are these for mainly racing application, or could they be a "livable" option for a street bike? Thinking the Ducati....like the DelOrto pumpers, but like the idea of the Lectrons.

At 12:05 AM 11/7/2009, you wrote:
 

http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ 4.htm
 
i have the lectron from my 1977 bultaco pursang to this day...

1----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----
Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com> wrote:

From: goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com>
Subject: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:02 PM

 
That bike is a thing of beauty.
LB.

http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ index.htm




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#95494 From: william rowe <willycrash63@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 3:51 am
Subject: Re: Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker 		willycrash63
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 I origially took the lectron off my 77'  bultaco which was a a little better than  he typical 125 MX bike of the era which is to say a not super peaky, and put it onto my 1981 KDX 175 enduro bike..which was a bike not known to be peaky at all in stock form...
 
oddly, without any rejetting the KDX  ran as good or slightly better than  it ran with the stock carb-faster on top as I recall. history does not record how the bull ran with the stock bing (I believe) but obviously the guy i bought it from replaced it for a reason.  anyway with the rather bare bones flat slide lectron  driveability was awsome right off idle to full scream. that being said, no one ran lectrons on enduro bikes that I ever heard of. 
 
on the other hand my buddy has been trying to rest the lectron away from me for his  mid 70's hercules ISDT bike for several months...aparently the internets tells him it should be done. the herc runs really well already though...
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Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, GaryS <gary.gman66@...> wrote:

From: GaryS <gary.gman66@...>
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 6:02 PM

 
Now I warnt tryin to push no buttons, I just know that you may have been around some racing bikes in the past when Lectrons were the carb of choice for wide open usage. I was putting you in the possible "Master Tuner" category, not the "old fart" category, shit Mark, we're all gettin to be old farts, so there ain't no insult in that. :)
 
But thinking about it, when me and my friends were looking at Lectrons, you were on tour one or two in Nam, I don't think they had many Lectrons over there.......
 
Okay now, have I groveled enough, heheh, now let me go find my Ex-Lax,
 
g
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Newby
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 3:19 PM
Subject: RE: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

You know, carburetors are great devices.  If they have an idle circuit, a pilot circuit, a needle jet circuit, and a main jet feeding the needle circuit, I like them just fine, and they can always be made to work if all the above are set right.  Here is the rub:  Some of those old carbs were missing one or more of those circuits na as a result they were touchy pieces of junk that you could get right in one area only to screw up another part of the rpm/throttle opening range.

 

THAT is why Mikunis and Keihins rock – they can be adjusted to work for any engine that is in the cfm range for the carb body.  In other words, a bike that only needs 200cfm wide open is not going to work well with a carb that can supply 500cfm – there is no combination of jets, praying or cursing that will make it work, you need a 300cfm carb for the application or you will never get it tuned.  The range of adjustment and available jets for such an engine/carb combination simply do not exist that will result in a stoichiometric fuel/air ratio.   Yeah, that’s right.  Google it if you are not happy with the answer.

 

What I want to say is that running right is the ultimate purpose of tuning, not “power”.  It will make all the power it possibly can if it runs right at all rpms and throttle openings and transitions between the two.  Anything else is just futile nonsense.

 

I love you, man, why would I say you are full of anything?  Now, if I mention you could benefit from laxative therapy, that may be taken by some to imply fullness of waste products, but coming from me it probably means that I have observed a condition that I think I can help you with.  Uh-huh.  Yeah.  Heheheheh ……….

 

From: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com [mailto:VStrom2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of GaryS
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:38 AM
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

 

 

If I'm not mistaken, which I could be due to memory, but Lectrons were kinda for on/off throttle applications( racing), not too good for smooth metering on a street bike. At least back when I was into Nortons and Triumphs, we wanted Lectrons to replace the drizzly Amals, but always went with Mikunis for the reason above.

 

Now I'm sure some old fart that was a master tuner in his day will chip in and say different, say that Lectrons are the smoothest street carb on the planet, but back in my day(urp), they were for racing only.

 

I think this is the part where Newby comes in and tells me I'm full of shit, heheh. :)

 

g

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Phil Porter

Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:13 AM

Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

 

Are these for mainly racing application, or could they be a "livable" option for a street bike? Thinking the Ducati....like the DelOrto pumpers, but like the idea of the Lectrons.

At 12:05 AM 11/7/2009, you wrote:



http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ 4.htm
 
i have the lectron from my 1977 bultaco pursang to this day...

1----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----
Pensamos que son víctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. ¿Cómo podría ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com> wrote:

From: goluxgo <goluxgo@gmail. com>

Subject: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

To: VStrom2@yahoogroups .com

Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:02 PM

 

That bike is a thing of beauty.

LB.

http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ index.htm

 



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#95493 From: william rowe <willycrash63@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 3:29 am
Subject: Re: (NVSC) Concrete Blonde 		willycrash63
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the weird thing about johnette is she can do old school country stuff real well. 
one could look around for her tune "by the side of the road" to hear that sort of  thing...which can also be found on the compilation "still i n hollywood"
1From: transalp 1 <transalp1@...>
Subject: [VStrom2] (NVSC) Concrete Blonde


 
From waaaay back!
 
Trivia: I once read an interview with Dwight Yokum (Doyle Hargraves in Slingblade) and he said his favorite female vocalist was Johnette Napolitano!
 
eddie
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: goluxgo
Sent: 11/8/2009 12:38:45 AM
Subject: [VStrom2] (NVSC) Concrete Blonde

 


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#95492 From: "GaryS" <gary.gman66@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 2:07 am
Subject: Re: Re: NVSC....NON-DEBATE 		gstrom66
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Yeah that was back when shit flinging was a true sport, kinda miss them days.
Wonder where all the goose steppers went, they sure
are quiet nowadays........

Well I don't do phone much, and since I moved out here I have no choice, I don't
have a land line, I do have a nice $300 cell phone,
but it doesn't get a signal out here, we are in a dead zone. Which really don't
bother me cause I have some kind of aversion to
talking on the phone anyway. Nuttin personal about it, I just don't like it....
:)

g

----- Original Message -----
From: "hfc687" <hfc687@...>
To: <VStrom2@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:33 AM
Subject: [VStrom2] Re: NVSC....NON-DEBATE




Hey Gary...."the internet never forgets"....i read this here shit and laugh-ed
my flarkin' my ass-off! i forget sometimes that we
used to have a barrel-o-monkeys around this place...you know, before the
"serious shit" hit the fan and we got hung up in shit we
got no control over anyway. (except....what about the folks in france...they
awoke once "and heads rolled") roll of the dice,
necktie parties, "BYOB" (bring yer own bayonet) change is in the wind. might
take the least imagineable faces to make it happen, who
knows? (not i)

if i am successful in what i am lookin' for, "yer phone is gonna ring".

i could just ask you for a number...but i'd rather do this instead



--- In VStrom2@yahoogroups.com, "GaryS" <gman666@...> wrote:
>
> Hmmm, that were sum funny comebacks Hube! And ahh, I ain't no anarchyister,
that's how we say it up here in the woods, wink wink,
> ain't we adorable.... :)
>
> Where the heck you been at, somewhere in posts awhile back I posted all kinds
of good links to the Joel's Army guys, had all kinds
> of video and documented stuff. If you go out to youtube, kinda weird, about
99% of all the videos of Palin, Joel's Army and the
rest
> of it about that freako Church organization she belongs to up in Alaska have
been removed.
>
> There may be some info left out there, gonna hafta do some searching, seems
like most of the "internet" books about this have been
> cyber burned.
>
> Well shucks, I done had a fun mornin with ya'll folks, good time sittin round
slingin the shart, now I gots to go get sumthin
done,
>
> g
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "idlelupino" <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> To: <VStrom2@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 11:05 AM
> Subject: [VStrom2] Re: NVSC....NON-DEBATE
>
>
> --- In VStrom2@yahoogroups.com, "GaryS" <gman666@> wrote:
> >
> > Well Palin is a member or at least big supporter of Joel's Army,
>
> who/what is that? gimme a first or last name and i'll google
>
> > so if'n you get her in the White House, and you pray enough, McCain
> > will die and your one huge step closer to the dream.
>
> "creepy"
>
> > <snip>Let these dumb ass
> > Americans experience the glory they serve up around the globe in
> > their own neighborhoods and to their own families.<snip>
>
> ssssshhhhhhhh....keep it light and folksy....believe me, you DONT
> want those fuckin' helicopters comin' around all the time
>
> wanna go halvsies on a cell....i dont snore too bad
>
>
> > Hmmm, I wonder
> > who will be labeled the terrorist and who will be the freedom
> >fighters??
>
> you and you....interchangeable...course you already knew that...like
> our political parties....makes no never mind
>
> > Would the American military fire on it's own civilians for
> > a fanatical American Christian regime?
>
> does the pope shit in the woods? correct answer of course
> is "depends" something both the pope and john mccain are probably
> intimately familiar with, reckon?
>
> I loves me a good session of down home folksy chat such as dis here
> mastah gary
>
>
>
> >I think we could have us a good ol' revolution and finally get our
> >country back,
>
> pfffffttttt....when you pry my cold dead fingers away from the keys
> to my escalade
>
> "when cadillacs are outlawed, only criminals will drive cadillacs"
>
> ...oh wait a minute, we already have that!
>
>
> > maybe...depends on who the U.S. military would back?
>
> china of course silly boy!
>
>
> > Cuckoo Club Members Unite!!
>
> lets see here...."conspiring to"....i'm thinkin of a word that sounds
> like fail (but isnt a bank)
>
> just one suggestion....when yer gettin' cuffed dont raise much of a
> rucus
>
> ...the only thing left to do is laugh....anything else....keep it
> to yourself...you live too far away for me to come visit ya....if i
> ever set foot in a jail, i might like it too much...having been
> prepped for years thru the media
>
> hell, i could even quit smoking
>
>
>
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>
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> VStrom Community FAQ:          http://vstrom.info/faq/
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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#95491 From: "goluxgo" <goluxgo@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 12:06 am
Subject: Re: Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker 		goluxgo
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--- In VStrom2@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Newby" <tireguy51@...> wrote:
>
> What I want to say is that running right is the ultimate purpose of tuning,
> not "power".  It will make all the power it possibly can if it runs right at
> all rpms and throttle openings and transitions between the two.  Anything
> else is just futile nonsense.

It is surprising how many street/sport bikes with aftermarket pipes were jetted
way to rich and stunk of hydro carbons. I guess the theory was that richer means
more HP.
I always found bikes ran best overall with a touch of leanness, especially
regarding top speed.
LB.

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#95490 From: "GaryS" <gary.gman66@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 12:02 am
Subject: Re: Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker 		gstrom66
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Now I warnt tryin to push no buttons, I just know that you may have been around some racing bikes in the past when Lectrons were the carb of choice for wide open usage. I was putting you in the possible "Master Tuner" category, not the "old fart" category, shit Mark, we're all gettin to be old farts, so there ain't no insult in that. :)
 
But thinking about it, when me and my friends were looking at Lectrons, you were on tour one or two in Nam, I don't think they had many Lectrons over there.......
 
Okay now, have I groveled enough, heheh, now let me go find my Ex-Lax,
 
g
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Newby
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 3:19 PM
Subject: RE: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

You know, carburetors are great devices.  If they have an idle circuit, a pilot circuit, a needle jet circuit, and a main jet feeding the needle circuit, I like them just fine, and they can always be made to work if all the above are set right.  Here is the rub:  Some of those old carbs were missing one or more of those circuits na as a result they were touchy pieces of junk that you could get right in one area only to screw up another part of the rpm/throttle opening range.

 

THAT is why Mikunis and Keihins rock they can be adjusted to work for any engine that is in the cfm range for the carb body.  In other words, a bike that only needs 200cfm wide open is not going to work well with a carb that can supply 500cfm there is no combination of jets, praying or cursing that will make it work, you need a 300cfm carb for the application or you will never get it tuned.  The range of adjustment and available jets for such an engine/carb combination simply do not exist that will result in a stoichiometric fuel/air ratio.   Yeah, thats right.  Google it if you are not happy with the answer.

 

What I want to say is that running right is the ultimate purpose of tuning, not power.  It will make all the power it possibly can if it runs right at all rpms and throttle openings and transitions between the two.  Anything else is just futile nonsense.

 

I love you, man, why would I say you are full of anything?  Now, if I mention you could benefit from laxative therapy, that may be taken by some to imply fullness of waste products, but coming from me it probably means that I have observed a condition that I think I can help you with.  Uh-huh.  Yeah.  Heheheheh .

 

From: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VStrom2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of GaryS
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:38 AM
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

 

 

If I'm not mistaken, which I could be due to memory, but Lectrons were kinda for on/off throttle applications(racing), not too good for smooth metering on a street bike. At least back when I was into Nortons and Triumphs, we wanted Lectrons to replace the drizzly Amals, but always went with Mikunis for the reason above.

 

Now I'm sure some old fart that was a master tuner in his day will chip in and say different, say that Lectrons are the smoothest street carb on the planet, but back in my day(urp), they were for racing only.

 

I think this is the part where Newby comes in and tells me I'm full of shit, heheh. :)

 

g

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Phil Porter

Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:13 AM

Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

 

Are these for mainly racing application, or could they be a "livable" option for a street bike? Thinking the Ducati....like the DelOrto pumpers, but like the idea of the Lectrons.

At 12:05 AM 11/7/2009, you wrote:



http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/archive/jkrotax09/4.htm
 
i have the lectron from my 1977 bultaco pursang to this day...

1----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pensamos que son vctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. Cmo podra ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, goluxgo <goluxgo@...> wrote:

From: goluxgo <goluxgo@...>

Subject: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

To: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com

Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:02 PM

 

That bike is a thing of beauty.

LB.

http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ index.htm

 


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#95489 From: "Mark Newby" <tireguy51@...>
Date: Sun Nov 8, 2009 11:19 pm
Subject: RE: Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker 		sporttire2001
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You know, carburetors are great devices. If they have an idle circuit, a pilot circuit, a needle jet circuit, and a main jet feeding the needle circuit, I like them just fine, and they can always be made to work if all the above are set right. Here is the rub: Some of those old carbs were missing one or more of those circuits na as a result they were touchy pieces of junk that you could get right in one area only to screw up another part of the rpm/throttle opening range.

 

THAT is why Mikunis and Keihins rock – they can be adjusted to work for any engine that is in the cfm range for the carb body. In other words, a bike that only needs 200cfm wide open is not going to work well with a carb that can supply 500cfm – there is no combination of jets, praying or cursing that will make it work, you need a 300cfm carb for the application or you will never get it tuned. The range of adjustment and available jets for such an engine/carb combination simply do not exist that will result in a stoichiometric fuel/air ratio. Yeah, that’s right. Google it if you are not happy with the answer.

 

What I want to say is that running right is the ultimate purpose of tuning, not “power”. It will make all the power it possibly can if it runs right at all rpms and throttle openings and transitions between the two. Anything else is just futile nonsense.

 

I love you, man, why would I say you are full of anything? Now, if I mention you could benefit from laxative therapy, that may be taken by some to imply fullness of waste products, but coming from me it probably means that I have observed a condition that I think I can help you with. Uh-huh. Yeah. Heheheheh ……….

 

From: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VStrom2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of GaryS
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:38 AM
To: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

 

 

If I'm not mistaken, which I could be due to memory, but Lectrons were kinda for on/off throttle applications(racing), not too good for smooth metering on a street bike. At least back when I was into Nortons and Triumphs, we wanted Lectrons to replace the drizzly Amals, but always went with Mikunis for the reason above.

 

Now I'm sure some old fart that was a master tuner in his day will chip in and say different, say that Lectrons are the smoothest street carb on the planet, but back in my day(urp), they were for racing only.

 

I think this is the part where Newby comes in and tells me I'm full of shit, heheh. :)

 

g

 

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From: Phil Porter

Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:13 AM

Subject: Re: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

 

Are these for mainly racing application, or could they be a "livable" option for a street bike? Thinking the Ducati....like the DelOrto pumpers, but like the idea of the Lectrons.

At 12:05 AM 11/7/2009, you wrote:



http://www.superbikeplanet.com/image/archive/jkrotax09/4.htm
 
i have the lectron from my 1977 bultaco pursang to this day...

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Pensamos que son vctimas de tiempo. En realidad, el camino del mundo no es fijo en cualquier lugar. Cmo podra ser posible que? Somos nosotros mismos nuestro propio viaje. Y para este tiempo que estamos bien. Somos los mismos. Fugitivo. Inescrutable. unpitied.


"We think we are the victims of time. In reality, the way of the world isn't fixed anywhere. How could that be possible? We are ourselves are our own journey. And for this we are time as well. We are the same. Fugitive. Inscrutable. unpitied." - Cormac Mcarthy

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, goluxgo <goluxgo@...> wrote:

From: goluxgo <goluxgo@...>

Subject: [VStrom2] Kocinsky's Rotax flat tracker

To: VStrom2@yahoogroups.com

Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 9:02 PM

 

That bike is a thing of beauty.

LB.

http://www.superbik eplanet.com/ image/archive/ jkrotax09/ index.htm

 


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#95488 From: "Mark Newby" <tireguy51@...>
Date: Sun Nov 8, 2009 10:22 pm
Subject: RE: (NVSC) Concrete Blonde 		sporttire2001
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Well, there are now!

 

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#95487 From: "hfc687" <hfc687@...>
Date: Sun Nov 8, 2009 7:46 pm
Subject: Re: NVSC....NON-DEBATE 		hfc687
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Ok Gary, i gave up trying to find your number. if i was supposed to have it, i
would, or could find it....you're safe for at least another day!

wtf....here's mine 404-518-1587

under "da plan" i am only supposed to be getting 50 minutes a month and they are
not supposed to be carrying over...but they are. as of this writing it says i
have 357 available minutes. i dunno why. i just accept it as truth.

i do recall once you said "you don't do the phone thing", ok...don't feel like
the lone ranger....pulling out the world's smallest violin for the world's
saddest song (sniff sniff) nobody else wants to talk to me either.

had something on my mind i wanted to tell at least one living human being about
that i am not related to...as a matter of perspective...plus, believe it or not,
i do get tired of putting all this personal crap where it doesn;t belong...AND i
get fuckin' tired of bangin' on this keyboard..it comes with a price...what
doesn't?

--- In VStrom2@yahoogroups.com, "hfc687" <hfc687@...> wrote:
> if i am successful in what i am lookin' for, "yer phone is gonna ring".
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> i could just ask you for a number...but i'd rather do this instead
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