cheers for the story steve, keep doing what your doing with reference to wearing
all the right gear, all you can do is reduce the percentage of risk in an
accident, if it wasn`t a grassy knoll but hard concrete that he fell on he
probually would`nt still be with us now, so keep as many bases covered as
possible, sounds like you did a great job helping him, not just stopping the
bleeding but holding his hand and reassuring him, people dont realise that shock
can kill just as much as trauma, so well done mate and ride safe......taff ...97
BBBB BRG.

--- In TriumphTrophy@yahoogroups.com, "skreckman" <skreckman@...> wrote:
>
> I used to think that I was a pretty smart rider and that by keeping my bike
well maintained, never mixing motorcycling and alcohol, and

Hello Poppa Jack,

Many thanks for your response. I feel I'm one of the 'in crowd' now!

Regards,

Bob
--- In TriumphTrophy@yahoogroups.com, Jack Byers <jackbyers@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Bob,
>    I asked the same question, and so have many others, nothing dumb
> about it! The BBBB stands for the Bang-Bang-Bang-Bang  of the four
> cylender 1200 bikes BBBS is Bang-Bang-Bang-Silent. Not too deep
> afterall. I think it was some kind of inside humor at some point in
> the past, but now it's just vernacular.
>   Kindest regards,
>     Poppa Jack
> On Jun 30, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Robert wrote:
>
> > Since buying a 1200 Trophy a few years ago I have kept my eye on
> > this forum. I repeatedly see references to 'BBBB' . Could someone
> > please explain what is being referred to?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bob
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Thanks for the reminder Dean! ;)

Tom (SW Ohio)
http://arcticmoto.shutterfly.com


--- In TriumphTrophy@yahoogroups.com, Dean Barger <deanbar@...> wrote:
>
> http://britrider.com/
>
> www.thedragonraid.com
>
> PULL out your wallets and make your reservations for the DraGon !!!
> NO EXCUSES !!   
> Mayans only give us 2 more years before the END !!
> You cant take the money with you...nor your Trumpets !! LET'S RIDE !!

Greetings,

Well I located a station which sells non blended gas. Figured I'd give it a try
being close to home. Filled her up with premiun and within 10 miles the troubles
started.
Rough running below 2.9k, under powered above. So, today I drained the carbs.
All clean except #2 was almost dry and ran dry after about 3cc's. Removed the
bolt and hardly even a drip. The other 3 flow fine. Fuel screens have been
removed and inline filters(2) added. Can't be a filter clog or both carbs would
be dry. Mabee a stuck float on the needle seat? Can switching fuels cause rubber
seal/o-ring issues?

Any ideas?

Sam Crider
96 BBBB PB
New Orleans

Well I own a 1999  900 Trophy and RBLRs branch. Unlikely I will be on  it.
Just sick of the thing now. Maybe my 750 Tiger TR7V as that is more
reliable LOL. Trophy still in the garage rotting away
Where is it?

John Bonnewell. Secretary Blue Knights Wales ll

_http://blueknightswales2.weebly.com_
(http://blueknightswales2.weebly.com/)

Mike  Scarborogh for Int Sec
Elect Glen Wheat for BOG - Vice Chairman".


In a message dated 30/06/2010 23:25:24 GMT Daylight Time, jonbba@...
  writes:

Are  there any other trophy riders belonging to the Royal British Legion
Riders  Branch that will be at this weekend bike meet on the 23rd 24th and
25th of  july? Jubba 92  1200




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Sam:

You have a stuck needle in the seat and / or a stuck float. carb has to
come apart (Off the bike) to fix.  Most likely you have clogged jet(s)
also in that carb.  At this point you don't know if you have a seal /
O-ring problem or not "Yet".  What we do know is that you do have a
needle and seat that are not allowing fuel to pass.  Once the carb is
torn down you will be able to learn if you had a rubber and or seal
problem on top of the stuck needle and or floats.

If you have been running Ethanol enhanced fuel remember that it degrades
much faster than non-ethanol fuel.  Switching back to regular gas did
not cause your problem.  Lack of regular use and riding did it.  the
bike sat long enough for the fuel in that carb to evaporate and leave
it's deposits.


Bob Clark
01 Sunset Red Trophy 1200
Jacksonville, FL

I checked with the hospital this morning and found out that the guy *did*
survive and that he will be okay. I'm sorry to say though that the doctors were
not able to save the lower part of his leg. The woman also mentioned that he had
an amazingly positive attitude that not only helped him survive this but will go
a long way towards his recovery. I'm not sure that I would be feeling the same
way if I was in his position.

Thank you all for letting me share this story with the group. It has been an all
too vivid reminder of the risks we take to pursue this sport. Tuck this little
lesson away but don't let it overwhelm you. Just go out and savor that ride
(carefully) being grateful for the joy that each trip brings you.

Cheers,
Steve

My Uncle lost a leg, but carried on riding on a motorcycle with sidecar.
 
he had a hook on the side of the bike that he would hang his  false leg on...
 
he used a hand gear change, I believe there are some automatic gear boxes on
bikes these days. 
 
Regards John




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Thanks for sharing this with the group, Steve..certainly makes you think.
I'm sure the guy's chances of survival were dramatically improved by your
presence and actions.  As one Harley rider on behalf of another, I'd like to
say thank you.



Phil



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<I checked with the hospital this morning and found out that the guy *did*
survive and that he will be okay. I'm sorry to say though that the doctors
were not able to save the lower part of his leg. The woman also mentioned
that he had an amazingly positive attitude that not only helped him survive
this but will go a long way towards his recovery. I'm not sure that I would
be feeling the same way if I was in his position.

Thank you all for letting me share this story with the group. It has been an
all too vivid reminder of the risks we take to pursue this sport. Tuck this
little lesson away but don't let it overwhelm you. Just go out and savor
that ride (carefully) being grateful for the joy that each trip brings you.

Cheers,
Steve>





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Yes - I didn't realise you have different carbs (to me or that they would be
principally different)....But I must say I cringe at the thought of a garage
dismantling the carbs - I have NEVER had a need to change the fuel bowl
gaskets (unless he meant the internal gaskets) - nor would you unless they
visibly leaked fuel....

The most obvious test is to get the airbox off start her up and make sure
the carbs all open up together - choke and throttle. I presume they are CV
carbs and this little test puts a lot of things to bed.....

someone else also mentioned the pilot settings as these should be sealed
make sure (as they noted) that they have not been tampered with. otherwise
follow their instructions on closing them up and opening them a fixed number
of turns (if there is a range then most open will run smoother and consume
more fuel) If closed or blocked with crud then you will have the symptoms
you have described

After that the carb fuel level tests are complicated but the extreme faults
- no fuel and far too much fuel are easily spotted. I suppose a rough and
ready test would be to drop the bowl contents out the bottom screws and make
sure you have approximately the right/same volume in all of them.

After that you are looking at electrical faults (unless your problems are
purely throttle responsive) - which I would have said were the most likely -
BUT someone has worked on your carbs which sends the needle over to that
side first.

You had the carbs looked at but you shouldn't be afraid of removing the
bowls yourself and having a look around and a blow out (proprietary carb
cleaner or compressed air can (maplins). watch out for the small components
but as you have done everything else on the bike you won't struggle. Don't
worry about any myths about balancing them etc - if they all open together
(easily adjusted) you are close enough for the bike to run well (and at
least better).

You could go out and buy a complete carb gasket set to save you time in the
1% case that you will need one but chances are you will simply have the
satisfaction of removing some crud and water.

Before you get too worried about blocked passageways - assess how
dirty/likely this would be and if they are dirty - don't go back to the shop
as their stock answer to a complaint will be that you voided any warranty on
their work by checking up on them (sic) by dismantling the carbs.....If
there is a lot of dirt then you will have to work you way back to the tank
and even remove the tank fittings and clean it out. don't try moving a full
tank - that was one of my worst mistakes as it it very difficult to put it
down safely when it is heavy and wobbly.

Wish I could come over and help but there is no chance of that..........;-)

Guess also you could narrow down the diagnosis by publishing an audio or
video of the symptoms if you get desperate.

Happy hunting.




triumph771 wrote:
>
> Do you mean the little o-rings on Mikuni carbs? My bike
> has Keihin. The local Triumph dealer looked at the carbs,
> cleaned them and replaced the fuel bowl gaskets so I would
> hope they know what they are doing, but then again they
> didn't reassemble the carbs correctly - the caps on the
> diaphrams were swapped around and the mount for the choke
> cable was on the wrong carb.
>
> When it didn't run right I even checked to see if the carbs
> were mounted in the right direction! And they are for what
> good it does me.
>
> Randy
>
>
> --- In TriumphTrophy@yahoogroups.com, bodger barclay <barclay.dan@...>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Still worth doing - it gives you a sense of whether it is an individual
>> problem or a shared one. Even if the last one (exhaust) eventually warms
>> up
>> it gives a sense of scope on what you are looking for.
>>
>> Usually two out of three will drag the third into firing at full throttle
>> unless there was no spark at all.
>>
>> Carb internals would also show up with very poor fuel consumption
>> (probably)
>>
>> If the exhausts go hot fast then probably not electrical - but lets stop
>> guessing.........
>>
>> I think we should have a sweep stake: Perforated diaphragms, blocked
>> filters, water, o-rings, coils, high tension cabling, low tension
>> cabling,
>> low battery.
>>
>> I choose o-rings.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> triumph771 wrote:
>> >
>> > That makes since, but wouldn't the bike rev if 2 of the 3
>> > cylinders were banging or banging well? What is weird about
>> > this is that it seems the three carbs are screwing me in
>> > concert. (ouch)
>> >
>> > My next bike will have fuel injection and be a 49 state
>> > bike, for sure.
>> >
>> > Randy
>> >
>> > --- In TriumphTrophy@yahoogroups.com, bodger barclay <barclay.dan@>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Cut your investigation by a third - from cold - start her up and keep
>> >> touching the exhausts (CAREFULL -FROM COLD) last one to warm up makes
>> the
>> >> tea......
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> triumph771 wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Something is drastically wrong with my Cal-EE-for-NEE-ah 1999
>> >> > 3 cylinder Trophy.
>> >> >
>> >> > Because the dealer dropped the line right after I bought it in 2001
>> I
>> >> > ended up doing most of the maintenance, and I have kept it on the
>> road
>> >> > until now. The bike wasn't revving so I tried a tank of carb cleaner
>> >> and
>> >> > it was better and then worse. Now that San Antonio once again has a
>> >> > Triumph dealer I wanted to take it there and didn't make it. So I
>> >> removed
>> >> > the carbs and took them. With trained fingers reconditioning the
>> carbs,
>> >> I
>> >> > bought some new parts to spruce the old girl up.
>> >> >
>> >> > The plugs and coils are recently new; to this I got the three rubber
>> >> > couplers to attach the carbs to the heads, new spark plug wires and
>> a
>> >> new
>> >> > airfilter/ airbox from the friendly folks at Baxter Cycles. With the
>> >> carbs
>> >> > ready I put the whole shebang back to together and it runs exactly
>> as
>> >> > before.
>> >> >
>> >> > The symptoms…
>> >> >
>> >> > Starts right up with heavy enrichment, sounds like it is strangling.
>> I
>> >> try
>> >> > revving it to clear its throat and it dies. Living in Texas and the
>> >> > emissions tubing falling apart I have removed all of the Cally CARB
>> >> parts
>> >> > years ago and there doesn't appear to be any air leaks or a kink in
>> the
>> >> > fuel line. I replaced the vacuum operated fuel switch with a Pingel
>> >> unit
>> >> > and none of the tank flaps in the fuel cap remain. I try running it
>> >> with
>> >> > the fuel cap open and it acts exactly the same. I can get it to idle
>> >> > without the enrichment with the idle speed turned way up, up when
>> you
>> >> > twist the throttle it stumbles and dies.
>> >> >
>> >> > With all the new parts, attention and fresh gas this beast should
>> >> scream,
>> >> > but it doesn't.
>> >> >
>> >> > What can it be?
>> >> >
>> >> > Stumped Randy
>> >> >
>> >> > randy7409@
>> >> >
>> >> > San Antonio, Texas
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> View this message in context:
>> >> http://old.nabble.com/900-not-running-tp29000801p29005218.html
>> >> Sent from the Triumph Trophy mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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>>
>
>
>
>

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I would have guessed the 900 still has a lost spark or three....


The Only thing the 900 (BBB) has more of than the 1200 (BBBB) is Coils.
The 3 Cylinder machine has one coil per cylinder. Where as the 1200 has
2 coils that drive 4 cylinders with a Lost Spark design.


Bob Clark

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And with a 900 I feel like the silent one......;-)


Hello Poppa Jack,

Many thanks for your response. I feel I'm one of the 'in crowd' now!

Regards,

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--- In TriumphTrophy@yahoogroups.com, bodger barclay <barclay.dan@...> wrote:
>
>
> And with a 900 I feel like the silent one......;-)
>
>

Oh no Dan - never silent - our triples make a glorious noise that the 1200's can
only dream about :-)

Philip

Nope!


Look at the service manual, it covers both the BBB and the BBBB

Bob


On 7/1/2010 5:57 PM, bodger barclay wrote:
>
>
> I would have guessed the 900 still has a lost spark or three....
>
> The Only thing the 900 (BBB) has more of than the 1200 (BBBB) is Coils.
> The 3 Cylinder machine has one coil per cylinder. Where as the 1200 has
> 2 coils that drive 4 cylinders with a Lost Spark design.
>
> Bob Clark
>



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Hey guys,

Here's the latest. Appears to be a stale/ bad fuel issue where the
fuel would just barely leach thru the screen in the tank. Right after
draining the carbs and posting, I pulled the fuel lines and hardly a
drop would flow in any position. I carefully cleaned the lines and
blew air back into the tank which produced bubbles with ease. Still no
flow?? I pulled the tank dumped the 4+ gals of fuel and noticed the
last gal had a more cloudy look. Pulled the petcock assembly and found
no issues and a 100% clean screen. So, all I can conclude is the fuel
would not pass the screen. Very strange indeed... Anyway, reinstalled
everything dumped the .5 gal of mower gas I had, and away we rode. Now
if I can just figure what to do with the 4+ gal of "gel" gas.
Everything will be back to prep for enjoying the upcomming weekend. I
only wish there was another petcock position for drain with would
bypass the screen and a run out a hidden hose. Sure would make this an
easy chore. Bought her last Oct. and she's been a wonderful ride.
About 20mi a day and all smiles.

Happy 4th,
Sam

On 7/1/10, Robert <apsllp@...> wrote:
> Sam:
>
> You have a stuck needle in the seat and / or a stuck float. carb has to
> come apart (Off the bike) to fix.  Most likely you have clogged jet(s)
> also in that carb.  At this point you don't know if you have a seal /
> O-ring problem or not "Yet".  What we do know is that you do have a
> needle and seat that are not allowing fuel to pass.  Once the carb is
> torn down you will be able to learn if you had a rubber and or seal
> problem on top of the stuck needle and or floats.
>
> If you have been running Ethanol enhanced fuel remember that it degrades
> much faster than non-ethanol fuel.  Switching back to regular gas did
> not cause your problem.  Lack of regular use and riding did it.  the
> bike sat long enough for the fuel in that carb to evaporate and leave
> it's deposits.
>
>
> Bob Clark
> 01 Sunset Red Trophy 1200
> Jacksonville, FL
>
>
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Good (?)news,Steve.I had an ironworker friend who lost his leg just months
before retirement in a job-related accident a few years ago.Like you,I was
amazed at his attitude.. until the reality sank in!Months later he went into
a severe depression and really struggled for some time.I think he's alright
now.Being a retired structural ironworker,I used to tell my Mom,"if you knew
what I do for a living,you wouldn't worry about the motorcycles".Life is
certainly a fragile and precious thing,but you must live and to many of us
riding IS living.Ride safe,use common sense,and enjoy!Steve C.



From: TriumphTrophy@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TriumphTrophy@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of skreckman
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 1:25 PM
To: TriumphTrophy@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [TriumphTrophy] A painful lesson - followup





I checked with the hospital this morning and found out that the guy *did*
survive and that he will be okay. I'm sorry to say though that the doctors
were not able to save the lower part of his leg. The woman also mentioned
that he had an amazingly positive attitude that not only helped him survive
this but will go a long way towards his recovery. I'm not sure that I would
be feeling the same way if I was in his position.

Thank you all for letting me share this story with the group. It has been an
all too vivid reminder of the risks we take to pursue this sport. Tuck this
little lesson away but don't let it overwhelm you. Just go out and savor
that ride (carefully) being grateful for the joy that each trip brings you.

Cheers,
Steve





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Thanks Sam;
	 That might explain why both my bikes are popping and farting like
the timing is off. They ran perfectly a few months ago but the fuel in both
of them has been either in them or in gas cans for quite a while. Longer
than I can remember so that's probably too long. If you haven't checked this
out I find RF Whatley a good source of good information.
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/TriumphTrophy/files/%20Cranking%20Issues
/
	 I did drain my '64 Bonneville and replaced all fuel with Ethanol
free premium but didn't change plugs as suggested by RF so no change in that
one. I just installed Nology coils on my Trophy and it will hardly start at
all and then runs on two cylinders below about 2000 Rpm's.
Regards
Ed J.

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Subject: Re: [TriumphTrophy] 10% corn to 100% real gas ------Switching fuels
did not cause your rubber seal / O-ring problems

Hey guys,

Here's the latest. Appears to be a stale/ bad fuel issue where the
fuel would just barely leach thru the screen in the tank. Right after
draining the carbs and posting, I pulled the fuel lines and hardly a
drop would flow in any position. I carefully cleaned the lines and
blew air back into the tank which produced bubbles with ease. Still no
flow?? I pulled the tank dumped the 4+ gals of fuel and noticed the
last gal had a more cloudy look. Pulled the petcock assembly and found
no issues and a 100% clean screen. So, all I can conclude is the fuel
would not pass the screen. Very strange indeed... Anyway, reinstalled
everything dumped the .5 gal of mower gas I had, and away we rode. Now
if I can just figure what to do with the 4+ gal of "gel" gas.
Everything will be back to prep for enjoying the upcomming weekend. I
only wish there was another petcock position for drain with would
bypass the screen and a run out a hidden hose. Sure would make this an
easy chore. Bought her last Oct. and she's been a wonderful ride.
About 20mi a day and all smiles.

Happy 4th,
Sam

My Haynes manual says; NGK DPR9EA-9 for my '01 BBBB. What is the spark plug
of choice for most of you in hot humid climates? I'm in Central Florida
between the ocean and the inter-coastal water way.
Thanks in Advance
Ed J.

Thanks for the offer! The carbs did open up correctly before
I re-installed them. Right now I am gearing up to work on
the bike again, after these let downs it takes a while to
screw up the energy/courage to leap in again.

I need some liquid optimism !

Randy

--- In TriumphTrophy@yahoogroups.com, bodger barclay <barclay.dan@...> wrote:
>
>
> Yes - I didn't realise you have different carbs (to me or that they would be
> principally different)....But I must say I cringe at the thought of a garage
> dismantling the carbs - I have NEVER had a need to change the fuel bowl
> gaskets (unless he meant the internal gaskets) - nor would you unless they
> visibly leaked fuel....
>
> The most obvious test is to get the airbox off start her up and make sure
> the carbs all open up together - choke and throttle. I presume they are CV
> carbs and this little test puts a lot of things to bed.....
>
> someone else also mentioned the pilot settings as these should be sealed
> make sure (as they noted) that they have not been tampered with. otherwise
> follow their instructions on closing them up and opening them a fixed number
> of turns (if there is a range then most open will run smoother and consume
> more fuel) If closed or blocked with crud then you will have the symptoms
> you have described
>
> After that the carb fuel level tests are complicated but the extreme faults
> - no fuel and far too much fuel are easily spotted. I suppose a rough and
> ready test would be to drop the bowl contents out the bottom screws and make
> sure you have approximately the right/same volume in all of them.
>
> After that you are looking at electrical faults (unless your problems are
> purely throttle responsive) - which I would have said were the most likely -
> BUT someone has worked on your carbs which sends the needle over to that
> side first.
>
> You had the carbs looked at but you shouldn't be afraid of removing the
> bowls yourself and having a look around and a blow out (proprietary carb
> cleaner or compressed air can (maplins). watch out for the small components
> but as you have done everything else on the bike you won't struggle. Don't
> worry about any myths about balancing them etc - if they all open together
> (easily adjusted) you are close enough for the bike to run well (and at
> least better).
>
> You could go out and buy a complete carb gasket set to save you time in the
> 1% case that you will need one but chances are you will simply have the
> satisfaction of removing some crud and water.
>
> Before you get too worried about blocked passageways - assess how
> dirty/likely this would be and if they are dirty - don't go back to the shop
> as their stock answer to a complaint will be that you voided any warranty on
> their work by checking up on them (sic) by dismantling the carbs.....If
> there is a lot of dirt then you will have to work you way back to the tank
> and even remove the tank fittings and clean it out. don't try moving a full
> tank - that was one of my worst mistakes as it it very difficult to put it
> down safely when it is heavy and wobbly.
>
> Wish I could come over and help but there is no chance of that..........;-)
>
> Guess also you could narrow down the diagnosis by publishing an audio or
> video of the symptoms if you get desperate.
>
> Happy hunting.
>
>
>
>
> triumph771 wrote:
> >
> > Do you mean the little o-rings on Mikuni carbs? My bike
> > has Keihin. The local Triumph dealer looked at the carbs,
> > cleaned them and replaced the fuel bowl gaskets so I would
> > hope they know what they are doing, but then again they
> > didn't reassemble the carbs correctly - the caps on the
> > diaphrams were swapped around and the mount for the choke
> > cable was on the wrong carb.
> >
> > When it didn't run right I even checked to see if the carbs
> > were mounted in the right direction! And they are for what
> > good it does me.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
> > --- In TriumphTrophy@yahoogroups.com, bodger barclay <barclay.dan@>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Still worth doing - it gives you a sense of whether it is an individual
> >> problem or a shared one. Even if the last one (exhaust) eventually warms
> >> up
> >> it gives a sense of scope on what you are looking for.
> >>
> >> Usually two out of three will drag the third into firing at full throttle
> >> unless there was no spark at all.
> >>
> >> Carb internals would also show up with very poor fuel consumption
> >> (probably)
> >>
> >> If the exhausts go hot fast then probably not electrical - but lets stop
> >> guessing.........
> >>
> >> I think we should have a sweep stake: Perforated diaphragms, blocked
> >> filters, water, o-rings, coils, high tension cabling, low tension
> >> cabling,
> >> low battery.
> >>
> >> I choose o-rings.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> triumph771 wrote:
> >> >
> >> > That makes since, but wouldn't the bike rev if 2 of the 3
> >> > cylinders were banging or banging well? What is weird about
> >> > this is that it seems the three carbs are screwing me in
> >> > concert. (ouch)
> >> >
> >> > My next bike will have fuel injection and be a 49 state
> >> > bike, for sure.
> >> >
> >> > Randy
> >> >
> >> > --- In TriumphTrophy@yahoogroups.com, bodger barclay <barclay.dan@>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Cut your investigation by a third - from cold - start her up and keep
> >> >> touching the exhausts (CAREFULL -FROM COLD) last one to warm up makes
> >> the
> >> >> tea......
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> triumph771 wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Something is drastically wrong with my Cal-EE-for-NEE-ah 1999
> >> >> > 3 cylinder Trophy.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Because the dealer dropped the line right after I bought it in 2001
> >> I
> >> >> > ended up doing most of the maintenance, and I have kept it on the
> >> road
> >> >> > until now. The bike wasn't revving so I tried a tank of carb cleaner
> >> >> and
> >> >> > it was better and then worse. Now that San Antonio once again has a
> >> >> > Triumph dealer I wanted to take it there and didn't make it. So I
> >> >> removed
> >> >> > the carbs and took them. With trained fingers reconditioning the
> >> carbs,
> >> >> I
> >> >> > bought some new parts to spruce the old girl up.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The plugs and coils are recently new; to this I got the three rubber
> >> >> > couplers to attach the carbs to the heads, new spark plug wires and
> >> a
> >> >> new
> >> >> > airfilter/ airbox from the friendly folks at Baxter Cycles. With the
> >> >> carbs
> >> >> > ready I put the whole shebang back to together and it runs exactly
> >> as
> >> >> > before.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The symptoms…
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Starts right up with heavy enrichment, sounds like it is strangling.
> >> I
> >> >> try
> >> >> > revving it to clear its throat and it dies. Living in Texas and the
> >> >> > emissions tubing falling apart I have removed all of the Cally CARB
> >> >> parts
> >> >> > years ago and there doesn't appear to be any air leaks or a kink in
> >> the
> >> >> > fuel line. I replaced the vacuum operated fuel switch with a Pingel
> >> >> unit
> >> >> > and none of the tank flaps in the fuel cap remain. I try running it
> >> >> with
> >> >> > the fuel cap open and it acts exactly the same. I can get it to idle
> >> >> > without the enrichment with the idle speed turned way up, up when
> >> you
> >> >> > twist the throttle it stumbles and dies.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > With all the new parts, attention and fresh gas this beast should
> >> >> scream,
> >> >> > but it doesn't.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What can it be?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Stumped Randy
> >> >> >
> >> >> > randy7409@
> >> >> >
> >> >> > San Antonio, Texas
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> --
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> >> >> Sent from the Triumph Trophy mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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>

I don't think they would have let me take the carbs home
without paying them.<g> That's why I wanted to ride the bike
over there, but the old girl didn't have the heart.

Randy

--- In TriumphTrophy@yahoogroups.com, Robert <apsllp@...> wrote:
>
> Randy, It sounds like whoever worked on your carbs did not do you any
> favors.....cleaning float bowls and replacing the gaskets is easy and
> does not guarantee that they took the carbs off and actually dismantled
> them to clean them properly.  If they didn't mount the carbs right and
> ride the bike after to make sure it was right, they did less than half
> of the job. I hope you didn't pay them.
>
> Bob Clark
>
>
> On 6/30/2010 11:24 AM, triumph771 wrote:
> >
> > Do you mean the little o-rings on Mikuni carbs? My bike
> > has Keihin. The local Triumph dealer looked at the carbs,
> > cleaned them and replaced the fuel bowl gaskets so I would
> > hope they know what they are doing, but then again they
> > didn't reassemble the carbs correctly - the caps on the
> > diaphrams were swapped around and the mount for the choke
> > cable was on the wrong carb.
> >
> > When it didn't run right I even checked to see if the carbs
> > were mounted in the right direction! And they are for what
> > good it does me.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> > --- In TriumphTrophy@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:TriumphTrophy%40yahoogroups.com>, bodger barclay
> > <barclay.dan@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Still worth doing - it gives you a sense of whether it is an individual
> > > problem or a shared one. Even if the last one (exhaust) eventually
> > warms up
> > > it gives a sense of scope on what you are looking for.
> > >
> > > Usually two out of three will drag the third into firing at full
> > throttle
> > > unless there was no spark at all.
> > >
> > > Carb internals would also show up with very poor fuel consumption
> > (probably)
> > >
> > > If the exhausts go hot fast then probably not electrical - but lets stop
> > > guessing.........
> > >
> > > I think we should have a sweep stake: Perforated diaphragms, blocked
> > > filters, water, o-rings, coils, high tension cabling, low tension
> > cabling,
> > > low battery.
> > >
> > > I choose o-rings.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > triumph771 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That makes since, but wouldn't the bike rev if 2 of the 3
> > > > cylinders were banging or banging well? What is weird about
> > > > this is that it seems the three carbs are screwing me in
> > > > concert. (ouch)
> > > >
> > > > My next bike will have fuel injection and be a 49 state
> > > > bike, for sure.
> > > >
> > > > Randy
> > > >
> > > > --- In TriumphTrophy@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:TriumphTrophy%40yahoogroups.com>, bodger barclay <barclay.dan@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Cut your investigation by a third - from cold - start her up and keep
> > > >> touching the exhausts (CAREFULL -FROM COLD) last one to warm up
> > makes the
> > > >> tea......
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> triumph771 wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Something is drastically wrong with my Cal-EE-for-NEE-ah 1999
> > > >> > 3 cylinder Trophy.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Because the dealer dropped the line right after I bought it in
> > 2001 I
> > > >> > ended up doing most of the maintenance, and I have kept it on
> > the road
> > > >> > until now. The bike wasn't revving so I tried a tank of carb
> > cleaner
> > > >> and
> > > >> > it was better and then worse. Now that San Antonio once again has a
> > > >> > Triumph dealer I wanted to take it there and didn't make it. So I
> > > >> removed
> > > >> > the carbs and took them. With trained fingers reconditioning
> > the carbs,
> > > >> I
> > > >> > bought some new parts to spruce the old girl up.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The plugs and coils are recently new; to this I got the three
> > rubber
> > > >> > couplers to attach the carbs to the heads, new spark plug wires
> > and a
> > > >> new
> > > >> > airfilter/ airbox from the friendly folks at Baxter Cycles.
> > With the
> > > >> carbs
> > > >> > ready I put the whole shebang back to together and it runs
> > exactly as
> > > >> > before.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The symptomsĂ,Â...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Starts right up with heavy enrichment, sounds like it is
> > strangling. I
> > > >> try
> > > >> > revving it to clear its throat and it dies. Living in Texas and the
> > > >> > emissions tubing falling apart I have removed all of the Cally CARB
> > > >> parts
> > > >> > years ago and there doesn't appear to be any air leaks or a
> > kink in the
> > > >> > fuel line. I replaced the vacuum operated fuel switch with a Pingel
> > > >> unit
> > > >> > and none of the tank flaps in the fuel cap remain. I try running it
> > > >> with
> > > >> > the fuel cap open and it acts exactly the same. I can get it to
> > idle
> > > >> > without the enrichment with the idle speed turned way up, up
> > when you
> > > >> > twist the throttle it stumbles and dies.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > With all the new parts, attention and fresh gas this beast should
> > > >> scream,
> > > >> > but it doesn't.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What can it be?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Stumped Randy
> > > >> >
> > > >> > randy7409@
> > > >> >
> > > >> > San Antonio, Texas
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> View this message in context:
> > > >> http://old.nabble.com/900-not-running-tp29000801p29005218.html
> > > >> Sent from the Triumph Trophy mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > > Sent from the Triumph Trophy mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Then you put it in a truck or on a trailer and take it to them.......

On 7/2/2010 12:32 PM, triumph771 wrote:
>
> I don't think they would have let me take the carbs home
> without paying them.<g> That's why I wanted to ride the bike
> over there, but the old girl didn't have the heart.
>
> Randy
>



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Randy:

While you have the tank off, Dump the fuel out of it and flush the tank,
then put fresh gasoline in it, be sure the internal tank screens are
clear and flowing fuel.  You can check that by doing what I suggested
for Ed this morning,.  Put several towels on a saw horse and place the
tank on the saw horse, get a helper to hold it there......make sure it
has fuel in it.   Put a clean container under the fuel lines and then
move the selector to prime and push on it.  Fuel should flow.  Then
place the selector in the "ON" position.  Fuel should not flow....until
you take the vac line and gently suck on it to produce some vac to the
selector.  Fuel should flow.....

This eliminates the fuel flow problem from the tank.  If it does not
flow you know instantly where one of your problems lies.......



Now onto the carbs,  do you still have your filters in place?  If so do
you know they are clean?

Take the float bowls off on the carbs for the cylinder(s) that are not
firing.  Now get a can of spray carb cleaner and spray it into the fuel
line for that carb.  Watch under the carb to see if fluid is running out
the bottom of the carb.  If it does not, you have a stuck needle and
seat.  If that is the case, spray several times over several hours carb
cleaner into the fuel line and up towards the needle and seat from
underneath.  Your trying to soften and dissolve the varnish without
removing the carbs from the bike.

If you do have fluid flowing then you know the carbs are getting fuel.
If the carbs are getting fuel and you have spark at the spark plugs the
problem becomes adjustment which I doubt if you still have the stock
configuration.


When did you put the carbs back on. How long has it been since you KNOW
they flowed fuel?

Bob Clark


On 7/2/2010 12:29 PM, triumph771 wrote:
>
> Thanks for the offer! The carbs did open up correctly before
> I re-installed them. Right now I am gearing up to work on
> the bike again, after these let downs it takes a while to
> screw up the energy/courage to leap in again.
>
> I need some liquid optimism !
>
> Randy
>



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Well, the saga that began as stopping in the rain (3 rides in the rain, 3
times it would die, start, go, die, repeat) then a couple of weeks ago in
the middle of a ride on a beautiful, sunny day...it happened again.  After
getting gas and adding some carb cleaner another 200+ trouble free miles.
Then I leave the house the other day on the way to work and only make it
about a mile until it happens again.
Ordered a pair of Nology coils and awaiting their delivery.  Guess I won't
get to ride on the 4th :(
I hope this is the answer!

Hi, not looked on the group for ages as my Trident has been off the road for
about a year......kids, cash, wives etc etc. However in my 40th year on the
planet myself and a few friends have blagged a couple of weeks away this summer
camping in France.
   The bike is fettled, MOT'd, insured and ready to go and I was wondering if
anyone could recommend a small rack? nothing huge as I travel light, just
somthing to strap a small tent to. If anyone has one out there they want rid of
give me a shout.
   Also I'm thinking of fitting an inline fuel filter as I noticed some minor
looking corrosion in the tank, anyone had experience of these as I've heard some
bike don't like them.
   Finally my seat cover has split, anyone out there with a seat or could
reccomend a repair that would be great.

cheers.

Hi,
Is anyone going to the British Grand Prix next weekend?

I am going for three days, so unfortunately won't be going on the bike.


We're Staying at a camp site behind the circuit  walking distance, miss the
traffic.

regards John

Russ,

If you haven't allready, make sure to cut and solder/shrink the two
wires on the alarm plug under the seat near the lower battery area. I
had simlar issues till I tackled mine. It acts as an ignition cutout
and signals the brain to cut the trigger pulse to the coil primarys.
It's a white plastic female with the male and a single black jumper on
the male plug end.

Happy 4th to all,

Sam Crider
96 BBBB PB
New Orleans

On 7/2/10, russ@... <russ@...> wrote:
> Well, the saga that began as stopping in the rain (3 rides in the rain, 3
> times it would die, start, go, die, repeat) then a couple of weeks ago in
> the middle of a ride on a beautiful, sunny day...it happened again.  After
> getting gas and adding some carb cleaner another 200+ trouble free miles.
> Then I leave the house the other day on the way to work and only make it
> about a mile until it happens again.
> Ordered a pair of Nology coils and awaiting their delivery.  Guess I won't
> get to ride on the 4th :(
> I hope this is the answer!
>
>
>
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Greetings,

Just wondering.... If anybody might have a suitable good used sending unit
squirrled away collecting dust. I'm in the process of adding a VDO temp guage. I
need the one that screws in right next to the left plug on the BBBB. Believe
they were OEM on the Sprint. Might work, might not with the VDO, but I'm willing
to give it a shot. If you happen to have one, please contact me.

Thanks,
Sam Crider
96 BBBB PB
New Orleans

Um.  You have 4+ gallons of gel gas.  It's the 4th of July here in the States. 
Want some ideas?  Lemme know...

John F
96 1200 BRG
51,000 miles
Minneapolis USA

--- In TriumphTrophy@yahoogroups.com, "sam's mail" <dieseldude1@...> wrote:

>Now if I can just figure what to do with the 4+ gal of "gel" gas.

Hi,
Sounds a bit like NAPALM to me... !
 
John
 




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