Michael-
I will post a picture or two of the Trophy with the purple Gustaffson soon.
I can't compare its performance to the stock screen because this one was on
the bike when we bought it.

Richard Anderson asked about if the bike has been lowered:
She is fairly tall (5'9") so she can handle a relatively tall bike.
However, I think the rear wheel assembly has been turned to lower it. I
don't think the front forks have been lowered though. At this point it
doesn't really matter - her confidence with this bike has been shaken from
two low speed dumps so that NOTHING I can do wil make her like it. She has
made up her mind.

Honestly, I was afraid it might be too big even before we bought it, but
she was determined to get this one. Her only previous bike was a very light
and low Suzuki Savage. I felt she should try a bike somewhere in between,
but she doesn't have the bike shopping patience that I do and rushed into
this one.

Dave (Beardg) said (in response to Michael's comment: "Chris, sorry to hear
it proved too much for your wife.  I would be interested in her"):

>Micheal I think he`s selling the bike.......not the wife.

>What do the politicians say--"taken completely out of context?"

Whew! That looked funny the first time I saw it too. But I knew what he
meant.

Later,

Chris Bell
Austin, TX
'95 Triumph Speed Triple "TaCO"
'90 BMW K75RT "Neptune"
'73 TX-125 Harley/Aermacchi "Piglet" (for sale)

I'm still trying to sell my stock pipes and stock windscreen (clear) for
my (your) 96 trophy 1200.  I'm sure this will also fit on a 900 as well.
Open to offers.  Will ship from Canada.  What do you think of my Triumph
web page?  http://community.webtv.net/trophyguy/CHAVEZWELCOMESYOU

I received my new screen just before T-Day and I'm also impressed with the
quality. Mine is medium hight, looks GREAT, much quieter, very easy to
mount...  kudos to Craig at Clearview!

DaveP

I've been promising you guys I would post this for weeks now so here it is.
The measurements on my Clearview may be slightly different than the others
out there because;
1) Mine was the first screen made from the mold and I know Craig "tweaked"
things just a little after it was made.
2) Craig makes each screen by hand one at a time.
3) The different size screens will not just be longer but also wider and
taller to make them look right proportionally.

All measurements are in inches.

'98 Triumph Stock                                            Medium Size
Clearview

22.5                           Overall Length
26.5
21.0                            Width @ Widest Point                  24.25
17.5                            Height   **
22.0
17.0                            Width @ Top
19.0
20.0                      Top of Screen to Helmet                    18.5

** I measured the height straight up & down from just behind the ignition.

Also, remember that the Clearview is much more upright than the stock
screen. It's difficult to measure the overall angle difference but near the
top the Clearview is at about 60 degrees where the stock screen is in the
mid 40's.  As Michael will attest, this angle has a lot to do with whether
the air flow is up and over the top (bad) or out and around the sides
(good).  Both the Gustafson and Clearview screens work better than stock
because they "bash" their way through the air forcing it to either side of
the bike and rider, instead of up over the top.  This provides a
significant reduction in the speed of the air moving across the rider's
helmet which is what causes the roar and buffeting.

Someone also asked about passengers with the Clearview screen.  I've only
had one passenger and she had no complaints concerning noise or buffeting.
She didn't always appreciate my riding style but that's another matter.
Since I'm a little taller than she is, and my seat has a step (Corbin DCS
with about a 2'' step I think) she and I sit at about the same height.  She
has to look around me to see in the direction we're going as she can 't see
over the top of my helmet.  It's tough to draw any conclusions from just
one sample but I would speculate that, unless your passenger is tall enough
to look over instead of around you, the Clearview screen will be fine.  It
may or may not work well for the other case, I'll need a taller passenger
to find out.

Keith

Well that didn't work out so well did it.  The columns were lined up very
nicely when I sent it.

'98 Stock Triumph

22.5   Overall Length
21.0   Width @ widest point
17.5   Height
17.0   Width @ top
20.0   Dist. from top of screen to helmet of rider

Clearview Med. Size

26.5  Overall Length
24.5  Width @ widest point
22.0  Height
19.0  Width @ top
18.5  Dist. from top of screen to helmet of rider

I hope this is easier to read.

Keith

>the difference between stock and lowered (slip the fork tubes >through the
clamps and "turn over" the rear wheel assembly) was >pretty dramatic on my
wife's Sprint Exec.  This may change the >low speed handling enough that
she'll want to keep the bike.
>
>Richard Anderson
>Cedar Crest, NM


     Richard, thanks for your post.  I've been thinking about lowering my
1200 since day one.   Having stared at the bike & the drawings in the shop
manual for a while, I finally realized how to do the rear.  The question
which comes to mind is whether the side and center stands will then be too
long?
     Seems like I've read that the earlier models had a shorter [1] side
stand which presumably could be fitted but I'm not sure I'll have the
necessary horsepower to raise the bike on the center stand once it's been
lowered.  Any advice will be appreciated.

Rick
99 Trophy 4
Over 7000 miles since April :o)

[1]  Anyone have one they want to get rid of?

Subj:   lowering bikes
Date:   12/1/99 10:08:11 AM Eastern Standard Time
From:   QT1449
To: RchrdCA

just saw your note re lowering your wife's sprint.
i just finished doing the same thing to my tiger and love the difference in
both comfort and handling.
  i dropped the forks 40mm and rotated the rear axle ( that is  , my mechanic
did) . I hahave a 95 trophy 1200 which is super but with the corbin seat
still makes my 6'1" old frame stretch a little. It is in presently getting a
new set of tires and installing a set of 96 trophy risers and grips in order
to "flatten" out the wrists.
but i am curious about the changes you made and how they affected the over
all handling , cornering etc. Have you riden the bike yourself , assuming you
might be taller than your wife, whaatwas your reactuion to it.
i am not that much of a hard corner driver and have only rarely scapped my
pegs, so anything i might loose in terms of cornering clearance will probably
be more than made up for with straight line comfort and handling . Also  a
lower bike should handle the basic curves even better.
please let me know what you have found .
thanks for listening
alan kew

I am not happy with the plastic outer covering on my standard mirrors,  also
the tin star fastener inside is not all that good.  I wondered if anyone out
there had any knowledge of a good supplier so that I may replace them  (Not
flat glassplease?)
My wifes Sprint ST are even worse but I think they are the same fitting.  The
Sprint has a very loose covering as they are supposed to fit the Trophy.
Any info much appreciated.
John

I find Triumph's centerstands to be too long resulting in too much
"toggle" action when raising them.  I had a centerstand put on my '
95 Thunderbird.  I'm 6'1", 185 lbs., not in the best of shape, but
not too decrepit either.  I could not safely get the bike on the
centerstand, un-aided.  I resorted to rolling the bike onto two
2x12 boards, front and rear, rolling it backwards onto the
centerstand, and then pulling the boards.  This little trick
effectively shortened the stand legs, making deployment feasible
without a hernia.  I find my heavier and even more top heavy
Trophy 1200 to be almost as dicey to put on a centerstand, but
the grab lever makes it possible without too much strain.  Triumph
must be worried about their bikes slipping foward off the stands.
I even find the side stand to be too "conservative", leaning the bike
way over.  I see guys put BMW's on their centerstand as casually and
easily as flipping out the side stand.  I usually put a block of wood
under my side stand to stand it up a little straigher for long term
parking in the garage.  If your lowered Trophy is too difficult to get
on a stand, try the wood block trick.

Hello,

There is a new survey for the TriumphTrophy community.

Okay, about 38 folks voted on their top 10 for
the first 25 on the survey.  I now will list the
next 15.  Since these were the least frequently
mentioned in the free response, I think the right
methodology is to ask you to vote for those you
think should be in the top 10.  The TOP 10 were:
1)Suspension adjustability front and rear 2)
accessory connection 3)added guages--oil pres.,
oil temp, water temp 4)adjustable/optional
windshields 5)fuel injection 6)
optional/adjustable handlebars 7)dash light fix
8) drive shaft 9)better seat--lower, adjustable
and 10) lower cg/weight.  NOW, vote ONLY for
those you think should be in the top ten as
listed above.  Thank you.  We're making a great
list to send to the factory!

----

Possible answers are:

o Anti-dive on front suspension
o Front fender extension made standard
o Dash with radio option
o Adjustable footpegs
o "Better" OEM tires
o Standard heated grips
o Higher alternator output
o Optional wheels like from Daytona 9/1200
o Better QA in final assembly
o Adjustable lower fairing vents
o Better focus/bulbs in headlights
o Better centerstand balance
o Overdrive 6th gear
o Cruise control
o Backward compatible fixes


To vote, please visit the following web page:

http://www.onelist.com/surveys/TriumphTrophy

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Survey votes are not collected
via email. To vote, you must go to the ONElist website.


Thanks!

TriumphTrophy Owner

Be careful guys,
I have the new '99 Trophy.  I was told that the new center stand was better
balanced and therefore easier to use.  However,  I have had nothing but
trouble with it.  It is, I hope! fixed now. I had the bike nearly fall over
due to badly fitted centerstand.  Then after adjustment, twice, the legs of
the centerstand kept hitting the exhausts, which have taken off a bit of
chrome. I even had it replaced.  I am still not happy with it but at least it
works.
John

I have a 99 trophy 900 and am in love with it.
I have fitted non triumph heated grips but like others couldnot find a block
with power via ignition.  So I wired directly to battery.  BAD move one flat
battery after accidently knocking the switch on and not using the bike for 2
days.

Does anyone know if there is a block with power only when ignition switch is on
or do I have to splice into another wire?   Not sure how the triumph Oz
warrantee would go if I did this.  The bike is only a pup- purchased in June.

Second point... Has anyone else had problems with the clock?  Mine died last
night. Fortunately Charlie (#1 mechanic in Victoria) is ordering one which will
be fitted at my 10,000 Km service in a couple of weeks.

best wishes for a happy Christmas break to all trophy owners- with the wonderful
warm weather here in Oz I will be putting some touring Kms on.

PS Thanks "M" this is a great board!!!!

Does anyone have the email address of clearview screens?

Also does anyone know whether they fit the 99 Trophy 900?

In a message dated 12/4/1999 11:13:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,
itaylor@... writes:

<< From: itaylor@...

  Does anyone have the email address of clearview screens?

  Also does anyone know whether they fit the 99 Trophy 900? >>
Beardg>>>You will have to go with the Gustaffson that Micheal,yes that
Micheal, designed for them. It works wonders.Clearview doesn`t make a version
for the upgraded fairing..The number and address is in the info list.
Dave Trophy4,`69TR6R

Back in '96, when I purchased my 1200  Trophy, the clock died soon afterwards.
My dealer was not surprised, & it was replaced under warranty. If you are
planning to keep the bike beyond the factory warranty period, I strongly suggest
purchasing the extended warranty. Electrical parts seem to fail, & they are
expensive to replace. I also believe that the warranty is transferable. An added
selling point, if you decide to sell.

titaylor@... wrote:

> From: itaylor@...
>
> I have a 99 trophy 900 and am in love with it.
> Second point... Has anyone else had problems with the clock?  Mine died last
night. Fortunately Charlie (#1 mechanic in Victoria) is ordering one which will
be fitted at my 10,000 Km service in a couple of weeks.
>
> best wishes for a happy Christmas break to all trophy owners- with the
wonderful warm weather here in Oz I will be putting some touring Kms on.
>
> PS Thanks "M" this is a great board!!!!
>

On  4 Dec 99 at 7:25, itaylor@... wrote:

> I have a 99 trophy 900 and am in love with it.
> I have fitted non triumph heated grips but like others couldnot find
> a block with power via ignition.

Heated grips in Oz?  Well, you've got 5 or months I believe before it
gets cold again. Should find a connection point by then  8=>)

> Does anyone know if there is a block with power only when ignition
> switch is on or do I have to splice into another wire?

I couldn't find one on my 98 Trophy. I spliced into a lighting cable
leading out of one of the white connectors under the fuse block (and behind
the chin fairing, or whatever they call that thing).  From memory I
think the cable was green/yellow.  I took the earth from the existing
black moulded accessory block connection.

This gave me the ignition-switched connection I needed.

BTW, my clock works fine, but it seems to be slowly revolving in it's
housing.


Geordie Ken, Tyneside UK                          ken.hastie@...
SST #13    BOF #021
BSA A75R, A10, B40, D7, D14, Triumph Trophy 1200 and an MGB
Teacher: "Name two pronouns?"
Johnny "Who? Me?"

In a message dated 12/4/1999 5:40:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ken.hastie@... writes:

<<
  BTW, my clock works fine, but it seems to be slowly revolving in it's
  housing. >>
Beardg>>>My 1996 Trophy clock works fine and even keeps good time.(Knocking
on head)
Dave

Please see Archive Digest 66 for a discussion of the relative
merits of the different offerings and names/addresses etc of
suppliers.

In the meanwhile, I put together these comparative statistics:

98 Stock
Length up the middle  22.5 inches
Width at the top of the fairing  17
Height from just below the ignition key lock 17.5
Top edge to probably helmet  20

Factory upgrade (e.g., includes 99 models)
Length up the middle 18 (much shorter)
Width at the top of the fairing 19 (wider and same as max width)
Height from just below the ignition lock 17.5 (same)
Edge to helmet 25 (e.g., further away due to much steeper
    slope, which is why it is shorter in overall length as well)


Gustafson shield for upgrade fairing on 96-98 models
Length up the middle 23.0 (5" more)
Width at the top of fairing 19 (same as upgrade and same
      as maximum width)
Height from just below the ignition lock 21.5
      (4" actual increased height)
Edge to helmet 21 (comes back much closer than upgrade)

ClearView Medium (from Keith Ley's numbers)
Overall length 26.5
Width at top of fairing 19 (not max width which is 24.5)
Height from just below the ignition lock 22
      (4.5" actual increased height)
Edge to helmet 18.5 (closest of all)

So it appears that the CV(med)is the largest, slants back
on the sexy 96-98 lines better and is slightly wider in the
hands area than the Gustafson which is designed for the
more upright upgrade or 99 fairing.

Keith, do these numbers and comments look right to you?

At any rate the CV screens are for the 96-98 models.  The
Gustafson is for 99+ or 96-98's with the upgrade fairing.
Other options are available.  See digest 66.

Michael

In a message dated 12/05/1999 3:40:07 AM Pacific Standard Time,
TriumphTrophy@onelist.com writes:

<< Second point... Has anyone else had problems with the clock?  Mine died
last night. Fortunately Charlie (#1 mechanic in Victoria) is ordering one
which will be fitted at my 10,000 Km service in a couple of weeks.
   >>
Trophy clocks are notorious for crapping out. It was already dead on mine
when I bought it in January; it was replaced under warranty. I've only heard
of troubles with the originally-installed clocks. I haven't heard of any
problems with the replacements. Mine has been fine since it was replaced in
the spring. Maybe the replacements were improved.

Dave Kendrick

I guess I should be knocking on wood, but my clock has been fine since
buying my '98 1200 new in August 1998.  It keeps excellent time.  According
to the title information the Trophy was actually manufactured in 1998.

It would not surprise me at all if there were vibration characteristics in
the 1200's in particular that might destroy clocks more quickly than in
900's.   Has this been primarily a 1200 issue or not?

Michael

I just wanted everyone to know that it will take a minimum of 18 votes to
move an item in the current survey list into the top 10 that I listed for
your information from the first survey.  So check it out at
http://www.onelist.com/surveys/TriumphTrophy   Thanks.

Michael

In a message dated 05/12/99  11:39:57, you write:

<< Subject: Re: clock & heated grips

  In a message dated 12/4/1999 5:40:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
  ken.hastie@... writes:

  <<
   BTW, my clock works fine, but it seems to be slowly revolving in it's
   housing. >>
  Beardg>>>My 1996 Trophy clock works fine and even keeps good time.(Knocking
  on head)
  Dave >>
Blimey! rotating clocks!! That takes me back to the Bonnevilles.  We used to
put glue in the rubber cup, I suppose thats out of the question on the new
Triumphs.

From: itaylor@...

  Does anyone have the email address of clearview screens?

  Also does anyone know whether they fit the 99 Trophy 900? >>
Beardg>>>You will have to go with the Gustaffson that Micheal,yes that
Micheal, designed for them. It works wonders.Clearview doesn`t make a version
for the upgraded fairing..The number and address is in the info list.
Dave Trophy4,`69TR6R................

I hope you have more luck contacting Gustaffson than I have...I'm very keen to
import one to Uk but haven't had a reply to any of my Emails.

Nick
Trophy 900



Nick,

Lief was terrible, in fact did not, respond to emails.  I think the archive has
the telephone number, which he often personally answers.  Don't know why or
wherefore on the email side.  Fax also works with him.   Michael

gary46@... wrote re:
Subject: Centerstand on a Lowered Motorcycle..my problem is getting the trophy
OFF
the centre stand! With a little practice I can now get it on OK, but I once
dropped
it while taking it off the stand - I guess I was a little blase, not
concentrating,
and I just lost it!  This resulted in my losing confidence, and I now
practically
have a heart attack every time I attempt it!
nick Trophy 900

Guys and gals...I totally screwed up.  I went to edit the lead-in to the
survey to make a persisting note about the need for 18 votes to get an item
in the top 10.  When I did that, it showed zero votes, only four choices,
etc.  So I went to help only to find that the entire survey results are
reset to zero even when all you do is change the instructions, not the
items.  My apologies to all of you who took the time to look at the
remaining items.   Mea culpa, mea culpa.  Please go again and don't flame me
on the way.

Well now for all those who didn't take a look before....take a look a make
some votes if you want.

Michael

In a message dated 12/5/1999 5:08:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
vethealth@... writes:

<< Subject: Centerstand on a Lowered Motorcycle..my problem is getting the
trophy OFF the centre stand! With a little practice I can now get it on OK,
but I once dropped it while taking it off the stand - I guess I was a little
blase, not concentrating, and I just lost it!  This resulted in my losing
confidence, and I now practically have a heart attack every time I attempt it!
  nick Trophy 900 >>


Beardg>>>> Just a note, when I take the bike off the centre stand I have no
problem at all. I take the bars while off the bike and standing on the left
side, and PUSH! As soon as the bike hits the gound I apply the front brake
hard ,since I already have the side stand down I direct the momentum to the
sidestand and down it goes to the stand. Then I mount the bike(with the stand
still employed) I don`t put the stand up till I`m ready to shift and go.
    Try this method. I also employ the centre stand while the sidestand is
down to give me a direction to let it go should it get hairy. You may already
be doing these things, but I`ve never dropped a bike in 21 years, including
sidestands on both my Triumph and BMW K-bike(a beast, tho better
balanced).....I am 250lbs which could help I guess.
. I`m now knocking on lots-o-wood.
Dave(`96Trophy4,`69TR6R)

Wow, I have to admit that I almost never take the Trophy off the centerstand
while standing beside it.  I think I may have done it twice in a year due to
barriers of some kind.  Whenever I do it this way, I feel very insecure
about being able to control the high c.g.  and I do this tenuous balancing
act.  Bad.

Almost always get aboard, lock my elbows with the bars straight ahead, and
rock the machine over the top and off, being ready to hit the front brake
immediately to arrest travel into anything in front. With elbows locked to
set the front wheel straight, there is little chance of the "quick flip"
down and out.  Since both feet are fully down (except for the very top of
the rollover), there is no instability with this method.  My standard
parking is with a car to my left, truck to my right and steel pole directly
in front, I don't have much room for error.  This method always works and
feels quite secure.  Have used it on highly slanted parking lots, etc, with
no issue.

On the other hand, the too short sidestand ('98 Trophy12) makes lifting the
bike off the sidestand leaning the wrong way a true weight lifting issue.
Always try to lean the bike into the slope, but it's not always possible.

Michael

In a message dated 12/5/1999 9:40:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
MWHURST@... writes:

<<
  Wow, I have to admit that I almost never take the Trophy off the centerstand
  while standing beside it.  I think I may have done it twice in a year due to
  barriers of some kind.  Whenever I do it this way, I feel very insecure
  about being able to control the high c.g.  and I do this tenuous balancing
  act.  Bad. >>
Beardg>>>I guess I have perfected this method because my legs are a bit too
short to put both feet down flat at one time, thus to rock off the stand
makes for much more instability for me than to push, immediately hit the
front brake and settle onto the sidestand. I have never felt tippy or worried
using this method ever. I feel it`s even better when heavily laden as the
extra weight makes the bike settle into the suspension quickly.
     As I said I may be able to do this so easily because I`m 250lbs or more
and can basically manhandle the damn thing any way I want. But it seems easy
enough to push off, hit the front brake hard and allow the weight to settle
first against my hip then to the sidestand.
     I don`t think I`ve ever rolled it off the stand while mounted.
Dave

>>I hope you have more luck contacting Gustaffson than I have...I'm very
keen to import one to Uk but haven't had a reply to any of my Emails.<<

I am very pleased with my Gustafson screen. I called him at 888-824-3443 to
order.

Bob Kerry in Tucson

From: "Michael Hurst" <MWHURST@...>
Subject: Centerstand action

Wow, I have to admit that I almost never take the Trophy off the centerstand
while standing beside it. .........................

excellent tip Michael, I'm glad it's not just me that has problems!  Dave is
obviously built of sterner stuff!

Nick
Trophy 900