During a gear change, Russ Pagenkopf <jnrp@...>  penned ...
>At 6:44 PM +0000 6/30/02, taylorrguk wrote:
>>17 stone

>Translation please for those of us here in the states?

Has a height problem  (as in " i'm not overweight doctor, just a little
shorter than I ought to be"  ;o)
1 stone = 14lbs
--
   Ò¿Ó   Dame Edna

--- In TriumphTrophy@y..., Russ Pagenkopf <jnrp@u...> wrote:
> At 6:44 PM +0000 6/30/02, taylorrguk wrote:
> >17 stone
>
> Translation please for those of us here in the states?
>
> Russ Pagenkopf
> '98 Trophy 1200

In traditional English measurements, 14lbs (pounds) = 1 stone,
hence 17st = 238 lbs ( also = 108kg there being 2.205lbs to a kg)

Actually this morning I'm 16st 11lbs (=235lbs), gradually losing, I'd
got up to 18st 5lbs (=257lbs) last Xmas - too much!

Any recommendations for rear preload adjustment for riding at this
weight (mostly solo, light luggage) - I was planning a fairly high
setting?

Richard T.

--- In TriumphTrophy@y..., Russ Pagenkopf <jnrp@u...> wrote:
> At 6:44 PM +0000 6/30/02, taylorrguk wrote:
> >17 stone
>
> Translation please for those of us here in the states?
>
> Russ Pagenkopf
> '98 Trophy 1200

In traditional English measurements, 14lbs (pounds) = 1 stone,
hence 17st = 238 lbs ( also = 108kg there being 2.205lbs to a kg)

Actually this morning I'm 16st 11lbs (=235lbs), gradually losing, I'd
got up to 18st 5lbs (=257lbs) last Xmas - too much!

Any recommendations for rear preload adjustment for riding at this
weight (mostly solo, light luggage) - I was planning a fairly high
setting?

Richard T.

Ah, yes.  1996 - 900. And I regularly get 44mpg, in commuting service. Used
to get mid-thirties. Trick is to shift at around 2500, and never go over
4000 rpm.

> Jeff - what year is your bike and is it a 900 or 1200?
> Jonathan
>
> snip  :-)  Regear to 39 or 38 rear sprocket,
> and mileage will improve, and the vibes are cut even lower. I used the
Tiger
> fork gaiters, though, better protection, looks more Triumph-y. And a
Corbin
> seat.
>
> Jeff F.

During a gear change, taylorrguk <richard.taylor@...> penned
...
>--- In TriumphTrophy@y..., Russ Pagenkopf <jnrp@u...> wrote:
>> At 6:44 PM +0000 6/30/02, taylorrguk wrote:
>> >17 stone

>> Translation please for those of us here in the states?
>> Russ Pagenkopf

>In traditional English measurements, 14lbs (pounds) = 1 stone,
>hence 17st = 238 lbs ( also = 108kg there being 2.205lbs to a kg)
>Actually this morning I'm 16st 11lbs (=235lbs), gradually losing, I'd
>got up to 18st 5lbs (=257lbs) last Xmas - too much!
>Any recommendations for rear preload adjustment for riding at this
>weight (mostly solo, light luggage) - I was planning a fairly high
>setting?
>Richard T.


About the same as me, I got to 17st 8lb and having given up the dreaded
drink I am now a silth-like 15st 13lb.
I found the Dame couldn't cope with my voluptuous figure so I have opted
for a new rear shock (which I must get around to fitting soon ;o)
Have you fitted new fork springs yet ? This made a world of difference
for me.
--
   Ò¿Ó   Dame Edna

Just fitted a Clearview XL screen to my bike (courtesy of Mik at
bikescreens.co.uk). All I can say is WOW !! Wind noise and buffeting
gone, I can hear the engine now, and even ride with an open faced
helmet if I choose to. Why didn't Triumph get this right?

Tony in Stratford Upon Avon on a 1997 1200 in merlot (smiling a lot)

----- Original Message -----
From: johnrbateman_pps
To: TriumphTrophy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 9:01 PM
Subject: [TriumphTrophy] Greetings all

John asked:
<I'm in the proccess of purchasing an 01' Trophy 1200. Does anyone
<have any opinions or suggestions if I should add or change something
<when I get it?
<I hope to meet a lot of out there on the group rides.




Turbo, nirtos, big block :P)  only joking there almost perfect as standard.
Where you from John?
~Steve~

I have opted
> for a new rear shock (which I must get around to fitting soon ;o)
> Have you fitted new fork springs yet ? This made a world of
difference
> for me.
> --
>   Ò¿Ó   Dame Edna

My Trophy has only done 6700 miles, even though it's a 1997. I think
it's been stood for 2-3 years before I bought it (as a repairable
write-off). It has had the 6000 mile service, but I'm going to change
the oil again to be safe, it looks like it's absorbed some moisture.
(Yes -  I've already done the brake fluid and coolant!)
I was planning to leave anything like spring changes for later!

Richard T

----- Original Message -----

Jeff wrote:
>Ah, yes.  1996 - 900. And I regularly get 44mpg, in commuting service. Used
>to get mid-thirties. Trick is to shift at around 2500, and never go over
>4000 rpm.

Never, what never ever ! :o)  I rarely drop below 4000
I took my 93 1200 on a 257mile run keeping the speed down to 60/70mph most
of the time except for overtaking and I was getting 50mpg (thats imperial
gallons, who said eveything in the USA was bigger......lol)
~Steve~
.

Thanks - I have been thinking of changing the rear sprocket - I have a 97
900.
Jonathan

--Original Message-----
From: Jeff Fennema [mailto:cosmo@...]

  Ah, yes.  1996 - 900. And I regularly get 44mpg, in commuting service. Used
to get mid-thirties. Trick is to shift at around 2500, and never go over
4000 rpm.

> Jeff - what year is your bike and is it a 900 or 1200?
> Jonathan



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--- In TriumphTrophy@y..., "johnrbateman_pps" <johnrbateman_pps@y...>
wrote:
> I'm in the proccess of purchasing an 01' Trophy 1200. Does anyone
> have any opinions or suggestions if I should add or change something
> when I get it?
>
John, don't worry about it.  Get it, ride it, sit back and look at it,
in a month or so you will figure out what needs to be changed (if
anything) to suit you.  You won't be dissapointed.
Bruce
99/900 Texas

During a gear change, taylorrguk <richard.taylor@...> penned
...
>> Have you fitted new fork springs yet ? This made a world of
>difference
>> for me.
>>   Ò¿Ó   Dame Edna

>My Trophy has only done 6700 miles, even though it's a 1997.
>I was planning to leave anything like spring changes for later!
>Richard T

When you change the springs (I put progressives in mine) you will wonder
why you waited so long. Everything to do with the front end is better,
steering, road-holding, cornering, braking       ';o)
--
   Ò¿Ó   Dame Edna

--- In TriumphTrophy@y..., "MikeBenzon" <fast87@c...> wrote:
> Well today I took my visiting daughter for a ride on the Trophy and
> had a once in a lifetime experience.

Mike, what a wonderful experience to have and to top it off you were
with your daughter.  Good for you and for her.
No eagles around here, coyotes probably ate them.  I did see my
household Roadrunner zipping out of the front yard today with a large
lizard in his mouth.  Tasty no doubt.
Bruce
99/900 Texas

My local Vauxhall (GM) dealer is selling Vauxhall branded fully
synthetic 5W40, API SJ, at only £14.95 for 5 litres.
Looks a good bargain to me - I just bought 2 cans!
(Mobil 1 Racing is around £26-28 around here)

Richard T

> When you change the springs (I put progressives in mine) you will
wonder
> why you waited so long. Everything to do with the front end is
better,
> steering, road-holding, cornering, braking       ';o)
> --
>   Ò¿Ó   Dame Edna

OK - I give in!
Where does one buy progressive fork springs, and for how much?
(Done a quick web search - no luck.)
BTW - I thought the original springs are 'triple-rate' (at least on
latest models) - so what advantage will progressive have? Will I need
to specify a particular max/min spring rate?

Richard T.

I agree, sounds like you are overchoking it. Same thing happened to
me for the first week I had mine. Try starting with no choke first,
if that doesn't work ease into it a little at a time. BTW if you
haven't replaced your plugs good chance they are pretty fouled at
this point.

- Doug
'98 Platinum Trophy 1200

> I too had a hard time starting my 2001 Trophy. I would always turn
the choke on all the way and crank, crank, crank. I have learned that
if I just barely turn on the choke it starts much quicker...
Hope this helps.
Terry
>
>
> >Since new has been a cow to start, taking 10 sec to fire then on
only three cylinders, runs rough for about a minute then its fine,
hard to retart after use as well. Also after taking off from lights
etc the bike misses a lot, has been into shop twice but they seem
unable to find fault.Has been known to back fire as well scaring the
hell  out of me and neigbours. Never had any trouble like this with
old 1997 trophy, Any ideas out
> > there, Thanks. Garry

I agree with the ride it and see what you think you need idea. But I
have to say if you are more interested in touring I think the first
additions to consider are an extra tall Clearview windscreen (huge
difference in wind and noise) and a Throttle Meister or something
similar. Then the better suspension and comfy seat. I have added just
the Clearview (huge difference in wind and noise) and after yet
another long trip that resulted in a numb right hand for most of it,
the Throttle Meister is next for me.

-Doug
'98 Platinum Trophy 1200

<johnrbateman_pps@y...>
> wrote:
> > I'm in the proccess of purchasing an 01' Trophy 1200. Does anyone
> > have any opinions or suggestions if I should add or change
something when I get it?

I had my first coil on my 99  900 dump at about 7000 miles, replaced under
warranty.  Second coil dumped at 8500 miles   had both remaining original
coils replaced under warrantty .  now have 16,000 and no more coil problems.
Dealer told me some 99"s had some bad coils?

Richard,
         The RACE-TECH spring and emulatro kit is the best way to go
(IMO), the valves offer you even more in terms of ajustability.
The .95 springs are a good set-up for a rider who likes to lean it
over, if you are more aggressive the 1.0 is the springs you will want.
                               Tom D.  1.0 springs

--- In TriumphTrophy@y..., "taylorrguk" <richard.taylor@c...> wrote:
> > When you change the springs (I put progressives in mine) you will
> wonder
> > why you waited so long. > > --
> >   Ò¿Ó   Dame Edna
>
> OK - I give in!
> > to specify a particular max/min spring rate?
>
> Richard T.

Jamie Town wrote:
> My dad occasionally sees eagles while fishing in Oregon.  They'll swoop
> down and grab a fish on the fly without even getting wet.  I've never been
> lucky enough to see it happen but I don't spend nearly as much time
> fishing.  :)

Living here in Southeast Alaska, there's serious competition between the crows
and the eagles as to who has the largest population. I live right down on the
ocean and am fortunate to see eagles fishing a lot. They don't always get it
right though, on more than one occasion I've seen an eagle grab a fish that's
a *little* too large to lift from the water and Splash! in they go. Eagles tho
are tenacious, once they've got that fish they won't let go, so they'll
literally swim to shore with their wings and eat their meal on the beach.

Russ Pagenkopf
'98 Trophy 1200

ANYONE ON THIS LIST ??

Hopefully someone can explain how these vacuum crabs work. Or should
I say, why they act so oddly. I know and understand how butterfly
carbs work, but these vacuum operated carbs make me go huuuuuuum. ???

Here's what is going on. When I took delivery of my 2000 900, (Mik,
don't you dare make a crack about my missing cylinder. ;o) ) it was
idled at 800 RPM. The Triumph maunal calls for an idle of 1000 RPM,
give or take 50. Right? Using the idle adjustment knob I set the idle
to 1000. When the bike is revved to 3000 or higher it drifts back
down very slowly to idle. When the bike is accelerated to above 3000
and the clutch is pulled and held between shifting it will hang at
3000 then slowly drift down. Sometimes it just stays at 3000 until I
give the throttle a quick flick then is slowly comes back to 1000.
When run up higher than 3000 it will slowly drop the 3000 than drop
even slower to 1000.

I've eliminated the possibility that the throttle or linkage is
sticking. It's definitely vacuum related.

My dealer/mechanic has, this past Saturday, set the idle at 750 RPM.
He says that maybe my tachometer isn't reading correctly.  He says
the idle sounds correct with the tack is reading 750. (Maybe I should
ask for a new tack under warrantee?) The bike sounds to me like it's
idling at 750 RPM. At least it sounds the way my MG does at 750. The
proper idle for the MG is 850 to 900. Anyway, with the idle set
between 750 and 850 the throttle repose is fine/normal. If I set the
idle too 900 I start seeing a lag in return to idle. The higher I set
the idle the longer the engine takes to come back to idle. If I set
the idle to 1100 the engine stays at what ever RMP I rev it to with
no return to idle.

I also noticed yesterday and this morning that changing the idle
setting has an effect on the choke setting when the engine is first
started (cold start using choke). With the idle set low I need more
choke to start the bike and the engine sounds like it is loading up
(mixture too rich). Les choke and the engine idles too low and kills.
With the idle set higher it doesn't need as much choke and the engine
doesn't load up. Even when adding more choke it just increases the
engine speed no loading up.

Can someone please explain what's going on and what I can do to
correct it?

I'm starting to dislike vacuum crabs. Did I say starting? Now I
remember whey I replaced the SU on my MG with a butterfly operated
Webber.


Part Two:

The bike had a bent front wheel since day one. Causes bad wobble at
45 MPH. Triumph didn't want to replace it. They wanted me to have it
straightened. Dealer went up the ladder until he got someone to agree
to replace it. He agreed with me that a new bike shouldn't have a
repaired rim on it. Saturday the `new?' wheel was installed. My old
rim had one high spot in it the new one has three. I left the dealer
with the new wheel installed drove three blocks and returned. He
remounted my old wheel. I'll probably have to call Triumph tomorrow
after telephoning him because he says they aren't going to believe
that he didn't damage the new one. He didn't damage my old one taking
the tire off or when remounting it so I know he didn't damage the new
one. I could also see where the tire-mounting machine had gripped the
wheel on the opposite side and not directly across form the damaged
parts of the wheel. Also the new wheel had bearings in it when it
arrived. He says they usually don't come with bearings. I agree! I've
never see a new Harley or after market wheel come with the bearings
installed.

Correct me if I'm mistaken. Please!

What he believes happened is, a dealer got a damaged wheel just like
I did. Triumph gave the dealer a hard time so he said ok; we'll pay
for a new wheel. When the new wheel arrived they put the damaged
wheel in the package and sent it back saying they didn't want it and
Triumph put it back in with the new stock. Guess who was lucky enough
to get it.

Are Triumph's wheels made in Italy? The new wheel came in a plastic
bag with Italian writing one it.


Thanks,

Jerry

1999 green trophy 1200, excellent condion,10,500kms,large clearview
screen,extra seat,fork protectors,f-fender extension,triumph
manual,triumph cover,just had 10000km,s tune-up ,also 1 month
warranty
left on bike, located in Ontario,Canada...$11,500can or bo.1 705 445
9653 brett.

During a gear change, motoworld2001 <motoworld2001@...> penned ...
>--- In TriumphTrophy@y..., "taylorrguk" <richard.taylor@c...> wrote:
>> > When you change the springs (I put progressives in mine) you will
>> wonder
>> > why you waited so long. > > --
>> >   Ò¿Ó   Dame Edna
>>

>> OK - I give in!
>> > to specify a particular max/min spring rate?
>> Richard T.

>        The RACE-TECH spring and emulatro kit is the best way to go
>(IMO), the valves offer you even more in terms of ajustability.
>The .95 springs are a good set-up for a rider who likes to lean it
>over, if you are more aggressive the 1.0 is the springs you will want.
>                Tom D.  1.0 springs


Toms right - (having looked at things more) linear springs and correct
valving will be better than the progressive springs, however,
progressive springs are (a) cheaper and (b) much better than the
originals. The progressives cost me £79 fitted (I took the forks to the
dealer) whereas Race Tech + the valve emulators were in excess of £160 +
fitting.

Progressive springs are available from most dealers and mail order
companies in the UK, Race Tech seemed to be exclusive to PDQ
<URL:http://www.pdq1.com/racetech.htm>

--
   Ò¿Ó   Dame Edna

$11,500?!!.....i'm selling my 2000/1200 10,000miles....mint...all the bells
and whistles for $8,500. i'm i missing something?
                                                              TONY

Canadian or USD?  His was Canadian $.

Norman
'99 1200 PB

At 06:06 PM 7/1/2002, you wrote:
>$11,500?!!.....i'm selling my 2000/1200 10,000miles....mint...all the bells
>and whistles for $8,500. i'm i missing something?

OOOO....THAT MIGHT BE IT :)
                                      Tony

At 06:06 PM 07/01/02 EDT, you wrote:
>$11,500?!!.....i'm selling my 2000/1200 10,000miles....mint...all the bells
>and whistles for $8,500. i'm i missing something?

Canadian dollars.  This was specified in the original post with the "can"
note after the dollar amount.  That's about $7600usd.  Also note that he's
listed 10,500km, not miles.  Plus lots of extras and it was just serviced.

Jamie

--- In TriumphTrophy@y..., "steven  kirk" <mail@t...> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: johnrbateman_pps
> To: TriumphTrophy@y...
> Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 9:01 PM
> Subject: [TriumphTrophy] Greetings all
>
> John asked:
> <I'm in the proccess of purchasing an 01' Trophy 1200. Does anyone
> <have any opinions or suggestions if I should add or change
something
> <when I get it?
> <I hope to meet a lot of out there on the group rides.
>
>
>
>
> Turbo, nirtos, big block :P)  only joking there almost perfect as
standard.
> Where you from John?

Central Ohio...Damn, I was hoping to get something with a nitro
package.
> ~Steve~

I noticed that my rear brake pads are worn out today. This is on a 2001
Trophy 1200 with 6040 miles on it. This seems crazy to me!!!!!
Has anyone else had that short of pad life?
No, I don't brake like a wildman. Yes, I use my front brakes. These things
must be made from gum. I didn't think that the brakes were dragging. If they
are maybe that explains my 35 MPG.
My last bikes (Concours) rear brakes lasted 24,000 miles.
Any comments on a longer lasting replacements.

Thanks,

Terry