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Re: [Toyota_Matrix] Re: Gas Economy Penalty for Larger Engine

The two Matrix engines are very different.  The standard one is 1.8 liters, as the old standard engine was, while the XRS has the 2.4 engine that normally is standard in Camrys. The old XRS had a 1.8 that wound to more RPM to make its power. I love the old 2ZZGE engine in mine, and will be keeping it, but the 2.4 is a better choice for the typical lazy American driver, most of whom think a clutch is a bag you buy in a department store. And the 1.8 standard engine has more than enough power to violate any speed law in this country, with a slushbox or stick. 

The only Ford SUV that comes even close to the mileage of either Matrix would be the Escape/Mariner, with 4 cyl, or hybrid. Their other SUVs are all way over 4000 lbs. 


From: Bill Armstrong <wsarmstron@...>
To: Toyota_Matrix@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:54:00 PM
Subject: [Toyota_Matrix] Re: Gas Economy Penalty for Larger Engine

I also suspect an inconsistency in EPA ratings across various vehicles. I think I have seen some Ford SUV's with EPA gas mileage numbers similar to the Toyota Matrix S/XRS

Bill Armstrong
2010 Toyota Matrix S/M5 Sundance Metallic on order

--- In Toyota_Matrix@ yahoogroups. com, Inert Gas <saturation@ ...> wrote:
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> I think those new matrix EPA listing represents a different way EPA
> estimates MPG, they are downgraded.
> The engine is quite similar to the older model Matrixes.
>
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The EPA estimated gas mileage for the 2009 Matrix with manual transmission is 26/32 MPG for the Base Model (1.8L), and 21/28 MPG for the S and XRS Models...
Bill Armstrong
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May 1, 2009
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A car with a larger engine typically does get poorer fuel economy than an identical car with a smaller engine, even if they are driven the same way. This is...
Brace, Karl
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May 1, 2009
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I think those new matrix EPA listing represents a different way EPA estimates MPG, they are downgraded. The engine is quite similar to the older model...
Inert Gas
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May 8, 2009
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I also suspect an inconsistency in EPA ratings across various vehicles. I think I have seen some Ford SUV's with EPA gas mileage numbers similar to the Toyota...
Bill Armstrong
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May 11, 2009
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wikipedia says the 2009 trix is smaller interior wise by 4 cuft http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Matrix...
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May 12, 2009
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The two Matrix engines are very different. The standard one is 1.8 liters, as the old standard engine was, while the XRS has the 2.4 engine that normally is...
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