The car in the pics in the photo gallery is Tommy Sopwith's Sphinx racer which
has an Allard chassis and is now powered by a Jaguar engine. Last heard of in
France. The Fraser Nash chassied car was entered into Le Mans a couple of times
but never ran - probably because it was never finished. It changed hands for a
huge ammount of money earlier this year. Let's hope that when it's restorded
they keep the Siddeley engine.



       Chris



To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
From: chrisbaggel@...
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 11:16:39 +0000
Subject: [Siddeley] Re: Armstrong Siddeley Experimental Prototype 550F





Is this the same chassis as the pictures in the photo galery on Yahoo:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Siddeley/photos/album/1020591774/pic/list?mode=tn&\
order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc

There were two of these racecar chassis? The Sphinx and this one?

Chris

--- In Siddeley@yahoogroups.com, ivan gardiner <ivangardiner@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Brian,
>
> Hope the move goes well. I have your new address.
>
> Re the car - was it you who did the bit of video on the car when it was under
all the weeds and leaves, somewhere under the Heathrow flight path? It is good
to see that it has been rescued from that situation.
>
> Ivan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Watt
> To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:46 AM
> Subject: RE: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Experimental Prototype 550F
>
>
>
> As I recall I did an article on this "car" for the Sphinx at one stage.
>
> _____
>
> From: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Siddeley@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Chris
> Sent: Friday, 13 November 2009 6:35 AM
> To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Experimental Prototype 550F
>
> A Sphinx race car?
>
> http://frazernash- <http://frazernash-usa.com/550f.htm> usa.com/550f.htm
>
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>
>
>
>
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Is this the same chassis as the pictures in the photo galery on Yahoo:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Siddeley/photos/album/1020591774/pic/list?mode=tn&\
order=ordinal&start=1&dir=asc

There were two of these racecar chassis? The Sphinx and this one?

Chris



--- In Siddeley@yahoogroups.com, ivan gardiner <ivangardiner@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Brian,
>
> Hope the move goes well. I have your new address.
>
> Re the car - was it you who did the bit of video on the car when it was under
all the weeds and leaves, somewhere under the Heathrow flight path?  It is good
to see that it has been rescued from that situation.
>
> Ivan
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Brian Watt
>   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:46 AM
>   Subject: RE: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Experimental Prototype 550F
>
>
>
>   As I recall I did an article on this "car" for the Sphinx at one stage.
>
>   _____
>
>   From: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Siddeley@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
>   Of Chris
>   Sent: Friday, 13 November 2009 6:35 AM
>   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Experimental Prototype 550F
>
>   A Sphinx race car?
>
>   http://frazernash- <http://frazernash-usa.com/550f.htm> usa.com/550f.htm
>
>   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

The clutch was balanced and the bob weights were marked AA-BB etc to show where
they should be positioned on the flywheel and the flywheel and presser plate
were also marked, I think, from a rather frail memory!

Drawings are in the Workshop Manual where the views are shown in three sections
so that different drive pins, plates, bolts etc can be shown on the drawing.

Cheers, Peter

Hello Brian,

Hope the move goes well. I have your new address.

Re the car - was it you who did the bit of video on the car when it was under
all the weeds and leaves, somewhere under the Heathrow flight path?  It is good
to see that it has been rescued from that situation.

Ivan

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Brian Watt
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:46 AM
   Subject: RE: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Experimental Prototype 550F



   As I recall I did an article on this "car" for the Sphinx at one stage.

   _____

   From: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Siddeley@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
   Of Chris
   Sent: Friday, 13 November 2009 6:35 AM
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Experimental Prototype 550F

   A Sphinx race car?

   http://frazernash- <http://frazernash-usa.com/550f.htm> usa.com/550f.htm

   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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Thanks Peter for your thoughts.Do you have a diagram of the clutch assembly ? Do
you know how these were balanced - were  the flywheel and  clutch components
balanced as one unit before being fitted to the engine? Has anyone had these
units rebalanced.Should this be done if the clutch is relined etc ?

--- In Siddeley@yahoogroups.com, "pnksix" <betpec@...> wrote:
>
> Andrew's comments are both valid. However, an owner should know whether or not
there is wear since he probably knows how long the clutch has been in service.
They are long-lasting units so should last a "long" time.
>
> "Long" has to be qualified by usage since a little used car may well become
rusty so that it is more likely in this case that the centrigugal weights that
pull the clutch together may become sluggish - on one or all of the three
weights thus causing some vibration. Another rust spot can be on the on the
driving pins and bush. (The pin is steel, bush is brass) However, the driving
plate itself is flexible spring steel (I think) and can break in service so that
this may be a cause of vibration. Some of these items can be seen through the
centre access panel of the clutch housing, especially the bob weights and
fulcrums but the driving pins can be pressed with a screwdriver to gauge whether
or not they are free or broken.
>
> Hope that helps.  Peter Caunt.
>

Hi Peter,

I have only ever owned one of this range, a 1951 Whitley. This was one the
most steady cars I have ever driven and was not deflected or perturbed by
even the very rough pot holed roads where I live. It also sat steady as a
rock on the motorway without a tremor.

The steering and suspension set up was entirely standard and in the year or
so I owned he car I did nothing more to the front end suspension and
steering beyond routine servicing.

Kind regards,
Keith

Keith Dewhurst
Cardiff UK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Allen" <allencandj@...>
To: <siddeley@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Siddeley] Hurricane Cross Tension Spring and Front Shocks.
Fitting a 236 engine


>
>
> Hi Pete,
>
>   I had the same problem on my 16 hp Hurricane. Rebuilt shock absorbers
> and new tyres insantly cured the problem.I don't think these cars need
> modifying if they are set up properly and well maintained - at least, not
> in the U.K.
>
>
>
>      Chris
>
>
> To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
> From: pete@...
> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:06:52 +0000
> Subject: [Siddeley] Hurricane Cross Tension Spring and Front Shocks.
> Fitting a 236 engine
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello everyone
> I've been a club member with my car off the road for more years than I
> care to admit, but at last the time has now come to get it sorted again
> and I'm hoping to be back on the road in six months or so.
> Although I've been reading Sphinx for years, I wasn't aware of this
> forum - perhaps I wasn't reading as thoroughly as I thought! Anyway it
> looks really useful - congratulations to all involved.
> I read Brian Watts excellent series of articles last year with interest
> and, as I well remember my car's terrifying habit of breaking into a front
> wheel shimmy on hitting a bump or pot hole at a certain speed, I want to
> upgrade the front shocks and fit a cross tension spring.
> Can anyone advise on the technical and legal aspects of this work in the
> UK context?
> Specifically any advice on dimensions of the modified auxiliary shocker
> arm, the top shock absorber mounting bracket, sourcing of the spring and
> fittings and a suitable telescopic shock absorber would be most
> appreciated.
> Also does anyone have experience of the legal side of this work and also
> fitting a 236 engine? How do insurance companies react to being told of
> the mods?
>
>
>
>
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As I recall I did an article on this "car" for the Sphinx at one stage.



   _____

From: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Siddeley@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chris
Sent: Friday, 13 November 2009 6:35 AM
To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Experimental Prototype 550F





A Sphinx race car?

http://frazernash- <http://frazernash-usa.com/550f.htm> usa.com/550f.htm





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Pete,

    I had the same problem on my 16 hp Hurricane. Rebuilt shock absorbers and new
tyres insantly cured the problem.I don't think these cars need modifying if they
are set up properly and well maintained - at least, not in the U.K.



       Chris


To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
From: pete@...
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:06:52 +0000
Subject: [Siddeley] Hurricane Cross Tension Spring and Front Shocks. Fitting a
236 engine





Hello everyone
I've been a club member with my car off the road for more years than I care to
admit, but at last the time has now come to get it sorted again and I'm hoping
to be back on the road in six months or so.
Although I've been reading Sphinx for years, I wasn't aware of this forum -
perhaps I wasn't reading as thoroughly as I thought! Anyway it looks really
useful - congratulations to all involved.
I read Brian Watts excellent series of articles last year with interest and, as
I well remember my car's terrifying habit of breaking into a front wheel shimmy
on hitting a bump or pot hole at a certain speed, I want to upgrade the front
shocks and fit a cross tension spring.
Can anyone advise on the technical and legal aspects of this work in the UK
context?
Specifically any advice on dimensions of the modified auxiliary shocker arm, the
top shock absorber mounting bracket, sourcing of the spring and fittings and a
suitable telescopic shock absorber would be most appreciated.
Also does anyone have experience of the legal side of this work and also fitting
a 236 engine? How do insurance companies react to being told of the mods?





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A Sphinx race car?

http://frazernash-usa.com/550f.htm

Is this Peter Woods the piana man? from Palmerston North. n.z.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Pete Woods
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 7:06 AM
   Subject: [Siddeley] Hurricane Cross Tension Spring and Front Shocks. Fitting a
236 engine



   Hello everyone
   I've been a club member with my car off the road for more years than I care to
admit, but at last the time has now come to get it sorted again and I'm hoping
to be back on the road in six months or so.
   Although I've been reading Sphinx for years, I wasn't aware of this forum -
perhaps I wasn't reading as thoroughly as I thought! Anyway it looks really
useful - congratulations to all involved.
   I read Brian Watts excellent series of articles last year with interest and,
as I well remember my car's terrifying habit of breaking into a front wheel
shimmy on hitting a bump or pot hole at a certain speed, I want to upgrade the
front shocks and fit a cross tension spring.
   Can anyone advise on the technical and legal aspects of this work in the UK
context?
   Specifically any advice on dimensions of the modified auxiliary shocker arm,
the top shock absorber mounting bracket, sourcing of the spring and fittings and
a suitable telescopic shock absorber would be most appreciated.
   Also does anyone have experience of the legal side of this work and also
fitting a 236 engine? How do insurance companies react to being told of the
mods?






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Hello everyone
I've been a club member with my car off the road for more years than I care to
admit, but at last the time has now come to get it sorted again and I'm hoping
to be back on the road in six months or so.
Although I've been reading Sphinx for years, I wasn't aware of this forum -
perhaps I wasn't reading as thoroughly as I thought!  Anyway it looks really
useful - congratulations to all involved.
I read Brian Watts excellent series of articles last year with interest and, as
I well remember my car's terrifying habit of breaking into a front wheel shimmy
on hitting a bump or pot hole at a certain speed, I want to upgrade the front
shocks and fit a cross tension spring.
Can anyone advise on the technical and legal aspects of this work in the UK
context?
Specifically any advice on dimensions of the modified auxiliary shocker arm, the
top shock absorber mounting bracket, sourcing of the spring and fittings and a
suitable telescopic shock absorber would be most appreciated.
Also does anyone have experience of the legal side of this work and also fitting
a 236 engine?  How do insurance companies react to being told of the mods?

Hi Martin,
               You may like to post this link.They used to do a Whitly but i cant
see it now.
                  Cheers Paul
http://www.modelenium.co.uk/models/models.aspx?Search=armstrong

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The info has just today been loaded - new folder in the FILES section called
"234 tech data" or something like that.

Ivan

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: PETER MITCHELL
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:40 PM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent



   G'day Ivan
   It would be interesting to get any information available on these cars.
   Peter Mitchell
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Mike Wylie
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:15 AM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent

   Ivan,

   I, for one, would be very grateful for the opportunity to read these pages.

   Many thanks,

   Mike Wylie.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: ivan gardiner
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:52 PM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent

   A while ago I acquired a "Technical Data and Service Bulletin, Sapphire 234
only". This has 6 pages, printed on light cream/buff paper with red printed
header and footer, and the text appears to have been done on a Gestetner machine
in blue ink.

   It gives all the technical dimensions, similar to page 9 of the 346 Sapphire
manual.

   No information on how to actually do anything.

   234 owners - is it worth taking trouble to scan it to the site? I can't see it
anywhere in the files section.

   Ivan

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Keith Dewhurst
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:54 AM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent

   Hi Peter,

   Glad you are getting on well. You should see the 236, it is even worse with
the longer 6 cylinder engine. A nightmare !! I have to swap my rad soon and am
not looking forward to it !!

   Kind regards,
   Keith

   Keith Dewhurst
   Cardiff UK
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: PETER MITCHELL
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:55 AM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent

   G'Day Keith
   Many thanks for your help. The radiator is now at the shop being repaired and
cleaned out. I am certain the factory had a spare radiator and decided to build
a car around it. They gave very little thought to removal for repairs.
   I will enquire re the technical book from our spares.

   Thanks Peter Mitch
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Keith Dewhurst
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:43 PM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent

   Hi Peter,

   There is no manual or parts book produced by the factory as they did for the
346 etc.However, a very enthusiastic New Zealand member, sadly no longer with
us, did start to create a manual and did a pretty good parts book. The manual is
far from complete but does have lots of interesting and helpful info in it such
as all the factory technical bulletins, - nothing on fitting / removing the rad
though. I think ASOC stores have copies of both of these in stock and I have
copies of both which I find useful.

   Kind regards,
   Keith

   Keith Dewhurst
   Cardiff UK
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: PETER MITCHELL
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:51 AM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent

   G'Day Keith
   Got it out, but had to undo the front mounts for the front stabiliser bar.
With that out of the way, it just slipped out.
   Any ideas on a workshop manual for the Mk2 234 ?
   Regards Peter

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Andrew's comments are both valid. However, an owner should know whether or not
there is wear since he probably knows how long the clutch has been in service.
They are long-lasting units so should last a "long" time.

"Long" has to be qualified by usage since a little used car may well become
rusty so that it is more likely in this case that the centrigugal weights that
pull the clutch together may become sluggish - on one or all of the three
weights thus causing some vibration. Another rust spot can be on the on the
driving pins and bush. (The pin is steel, bush is brass) However, the driving
plate itself is flexible spring steel (I think) and can break in service so that
this may be a cause of vibration. Some of these items can be seen through the
centre access panel of the clutch housing, especially the bob weights and
fulcrums but the driving pins can be pressed with a screwdriver to gauge whether
or not they are free or broken.

Hope that helps.  Peter Caunt.

A number of members in Australia report having the above problem.Possible
suggested  causes are
(1)Failing during reassembly of the clutch to assemble the parts in accordance
with the correct position of each as indicated by the markings referred to  in
the manual
(2)Wear in the pins or bushes  that support the operating arms(I don't know the
correct terminology for these)
What do others think ?

G'day Ivan
It would be interesting to get any information available on these cars.
Peter Mitchell
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Mike Wylie
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:15 AM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent



   Ivan,

   I, for one, would be very grateful for the opportunity to read these pages.

   Many thanks,

   Mike Wylie.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: ivan gardiner
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:52 PM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent

   A while ago I acquired a "Technical Data and Service Bulletin, Sapphire 234
only". This has 6 pages, printed on light cream/buff paper with red printed
header and footer, and the text appears to have been done on a Gestetner machine
in blue ink.

   It gives all the technical dimensions, similar to page 9 of the 346 Sapphire
manual.

   No information on how to actually do anything.

   234 owners - is it worth taking trouble to scan it to the site? I can't see it
anywhere in the files section.

   Ivan

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Keith Dewhurst
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:54 AM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent

   Hi Peter,

   Glad you are getting on well. You should see the 236, it is even worse with
the longer 6 cylinder engine. A nightmare !! I have to swap my rad soon and am
not looking forward to it !!

   Kind regards,
   Keith

   Keith Dewhurst
   Cardiff UK
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: PETER MITCHELL
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:55 AM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent

   G'Day Keith
   Many thanks for your help. The radiator is now at the shop being repaired and
cleaned out. I am certain the factory had a spare radiator and decided to build
a car around it. They gave very little thought to removal for repairs.
   I will enquire re the technical book from our spares.

   Thanks Peter Mitch
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Keith Dewhurst
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:43 PM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent

   Hi Peter,

   There is no manual or parts book produced by the factory as they did for the
346 etc.However, a very enthusiastic New Zealand member, sadly no longer with
us, did start to create a manual and did a pretty good parts book. The manual is
far from complete but does have lots of interesting and helpful info in it such
as all the factory technical bulletins, - nothing on fitting / removing the rad
though. I think ASOC stores have copies of both of these in stock and I have
copies of both which I find useful.

   Kind regards,
   Keith

   Keith Dewhurst
   Cardiff UK
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: PETER MITCHELL
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:51 AM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent

   G'Day Keith
   Got it out, but had to undo the front mounts for the front stabiliser bar.
With that out of the way, it just slipped out.
   Any ideas on a workshop manual for the Mk2 234 ?
   Regards Peter

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Ivan,

I, for one, would be very grateful for the opportunity to read these pages.

Many thanks,

Mike Wylie.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: ivan gardiner
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:52 PM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent



   A while ago I acquired a "Technical Data and Service Bulletin, Sapphire 234
only". This has 6 pages, printed on light cream/buff paper with red printed
header and footer, and the text appears to have been done on a Gestetner machine
in blue ink.

   It gives all the technical dimensions, similar to page 9 of the 346 Sapphire
manual.

   No information on how to actually do anything.

   234 owners - is it worth taking trouble to scan it to the site? I can't see it
anywhere in the files section.

   Ivan

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Keith Dewhurst
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:54 AM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent

   Hi Peter,

   Glad you are getting on well. You should see the 236, it is even worse with
the longer 6 cylinder engine. A nightmare !! I have to swap my rad soon and am
not looking forward to it !!

   Kind regards,
   Keith

   Keith Dewhurst
   Cardiff UK
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: PETER MITCHELL
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:55 AM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent

   G'Day Keith
   Many thanks for your help. The radiator is now at the shop being repaired and
cleaned out. I am certain the factory had a spare radiator and decided to build
a car around it. They gave very little thought to removal for repairs.
   I will enquire re the technical book from our spares.

   Thanks Peter Mitch
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Keith Dewhurst
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:43 PM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent

   Hi Peter,

   There is no manual or parts book produced by the factory as they did for the
346 etc.However, a very enthusiastic New Zealand member, sadly no longer with
us, did start to create a manual and did a pretty good parts book. The manual is
far from complete but does have lots of interesting and helpful info in it such
as all the factory technical bulletins, - nothing on fitting / removing the rad
though. I think ASOC stores have copies of both of these in stock and I have
copies of both which I find useful.

   Kind regards,
   Keith

   Keith Dewhurst
   Cardiff UK
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: PETER MITCHELL
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:51 AM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent

   G'Day Keith
   Got it out, but had to undo the front mounts for the front stabiliser bar.
With that out of the way, it just slipped out.
   Any ideas on a workshop manual for the Mk2 234 ?
   Regards Peter

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A while ago I acquired a "Technical Data and Service Bulletin, Sapphire 234
only". This has 6 pages, printed on light cream/buff paper with red printed
header and footer, and the text appears to have been done on a Gestetner machine
in blue ink.

It gives all the technical dimensions, similar to page 9 of the 346 Sapphire
manual.

No information on how to actually do anything.

234 owners - is it worth taking trouble to scan it to the site?  I can't see it
anywhere in the files section.

Ivan

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Keith Dewhurst
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:54 AM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent



   Hi Peter,

   Glad you are getting on well. You should see the 236, it is even worse with
the longer 6 cylinder engine. A nightmare !! I have to swap my rad soon and am
not looking forward to it !!

   Kind regards,
   Keith

   Keith Dewhurst
   Cardiff UK
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: PETER MITCHELL
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:55 AM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent

   G'Day Keith
   Many thanks for your help. The radiator is now at the shop being repaired and
cleaned out. I am certain the factory had a spare radiator and decided to build
a car around it. They gave very little thought to removal for repairs.
   I will enquire re the technical book from our spares.

   Thanks Peter Mitch
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Keith Dewhurst
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:43 PM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent

   Hi Peter,

   There is no manual or parts book produced by the factory as they did for the
346 etc.However, a very enthusiastic New Zealand member, sadly no longer with
us, did start to create a manual and did a pretty good parts book. The manual is
far from complete but does have lots of interesting and helpful info in it such
as all the factory technical bulletins, - nothing on fitting / removing the rad
though. I think ASOC stores have copies of both of these in stock and I have
copies of both which I find useful.

   Kind regards,
   Keith

   Keith Dewhurst
   Cardiff UK
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: PETER MITCHELL
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:51 AM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent

   G'Day Keith
   Got it out, but had to undo the front mounts for the front stabiliser bar.
With that out of the way, it just slipped out.
   Any ideas on a workshop manual for the Mk2 234 ?
   Regards Peter

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Hi Peter,

Glad you are getting on well. You should see the 236, it is even worse with the
longer 6 cylinder engine. A nightmare !! I have to swap my rad soon and am not
looking forward to it !!

Kind regards,
Keith

Keith Dewhurst
Cardiff UK
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: PETER MITCHELL
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:55 AM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent



   G'Day Keith
   Many thanks for your help. The radiator is now at the shop being repaired and
cleaned out. I am certain the factory had a spare radiator and decided to build
a car around it. They gave very little thought to removal for repairs.
   I will enquire re the technical book from our spares.

   Thanks Peter Mitch
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Keith Dewhurst
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:43 PM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent

   Hi Peter,

   There is no manual or parts book produced by the factory as they did for the
346 etc.However, a very enthusiastic New Zealand member, sadly no longer with
us, did start to create a manual and did a pretty good parts book. The manual is
far from complete but does have lots of interesting and helpful info in it such
as all the factory technical bulletins, - nothing on fitting / removing the rad
though. I think ASOC stores have copies of both of these in stock and I have
copies of both which I find useful.

   Kind regards,
   Keith

   Keith Dewhurst
   Cardiff UK
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: PETER MITCHELL
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:51 AM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent

   G'Day Keith
   Got it out, but had to undo the front mounts for the front stabiliser bar.
With that out of the way, it just slipped out.
   Any ideas on a workshop manual for the Mk2 234 ?
   Regards Peter

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G'Day Keith
Many thanks for your help.  The radiator is now at the shop being repaired and
cleaned out. I am certain the factory had a spare radiator and decided to build
a car around it.  They gave very little thought to removal for repairs.
I will enquire re the technical book from our spares.

Thanks Peter Mitch
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Keith Dewhurst
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:43 PM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent



   Hi Peter,

   There is no manual or parts book produced by the factory as they did for the
346 etc.However, a very enthusiastic New Zealand member, sadly no longer with
us, did start to create a manual and did a pretty good parts book. The manual is
far from complete but does have lots of interesting and helpful info in it such
as all the factory technical bulletins, - nothing on fitting / removing the rad
though. I think ASOC stores have copies of both of these in stock and I have
copies of both which I find useful.

   Kind regards,
   Keith

   Keith Dewhurst
   Cardiff UK
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: PETER MITCHELL
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:51 AM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent

   G'Day Keith
   Got it out, but had to undo the front mounts for the front stabiliser bar.
With that out of the way, it just slipped out.
   Any ideas on a workshop manual for the Mk2 234 ?
   Regards Peter

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Hi Peter,

There is no manual or parts book produced by the factory as they did for the 346
etc.However, a very enthusiastic New Zealand member, sadly no longer with us,
did start to create a manual and did a pretty good parts book. The manual is far
from complete but does have lots of interesting and helpful info in it such as
all the factory technical bulletins, - nothing on fitting / removing the rad
though. I think ASOC stores have copies of both of these in stock and I have
copies of both which I find useful.

Kind regards,
Keith

Keith Dewhurst
Cardiff UK
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: PETER MITCHELL
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:51 AM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent



   G'Day Keith
   Got it out, but had to undo the front mounts for the front stabiliser bar.
With that out of the way, it just slipped out.
   Any ideas on a workshop manual for the Mk2 234 ?
   Regards Peter

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G'Day Keith
Got it out, but had to undo the front mounts for the front stabiliser bar. With
that out of the way, it just slipped out.
Any ideas on a workshop manual for the Mk2 234 ?
Regards Peter

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G'day Keith
Thanks.  Someone has removed the cowl and partly destroyed the radiator carrier
and there are no rubbers on either side. I have managed to get the radiator down
but can not get the top tank through the gap between the radiator frame and the
front cross member. It seems I have over looked the  plate on the cross member.
  Putting it back is going to be fun, I have purchased a cowl and fan from stores
but will need new side rubbers and a new pair of very small hands.
Thanks
Peter Mitch


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Hi Peter,

From memory and based on doing the same job on a 236 which I think is basically
the same:

Drain the rad. Remove the hoses. Remove the extension piece that is the filler
and houses the rad cap. Remove the 2 rubber mountings / bump stops fitted either
side of the rad towards the top held by one nut & bolt on each side. Remove the
drain plug (I think this is needed), raise the car up high enough to lower the
rad downwards. Remove the 2 bolts on either side of the tray spanning across the
bottom of the rad and entering the crossmember at angles on each side, and then
lower the radiator carefully out of the car.

I have forgotten about removing the cowling around the fan blades which I think
is only fitted on a MK11 234.

Hope I have remembered everything else correctly !!

Kind regards,
Keith

Keith Dewhurst
Cardiff UK
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: PETER MITCHELL
   To: Siddeley@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:06 PM
   Subject: Re: [Siddeley] Armstrong Siddeley Sapphires in Kent




   Can anyone please give me instructions re the removal of the radiator from a
Mk 2 Sapphire 234 (C4230563), without demolishing the front end.
   Are there any workshop manuals available for this vehicle ?

   Peter Mitchell

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Hi Andrew,

Coincidence nis running high. I just now came accross the weight of a
1925 14/4 tourer as 907Kg. I don't know how good that is nor do I know
if I am giving a circular solution to you question as it comes from
Bruce Lindsays Draft, which I believe you have.

Nothing on Kilo Watts or Brake Horses though.

Frank

Can anyone please give me instructions re the removal of the radiator from a
Mk 2  Sapphire 234 (C4230563), without demolishing the front end.
   Are there any workshop manuals available for this vehicle ?

   Peter  Mitchell

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Hi Andrew -- try the following -- Frank

THE FOURTEEN ARMSTRONG SIDDELEY CHASSIS

DIMENSIONS—Wheelbase, 9' 6'. Track, 4' 8". Overall length, 13' 2".
Overall width, 5'6'.

ENGINE—Four cylinder monobloc, detachable head. Bore 3"=76.2 mm.
Stroke 4” = 101.6 mm, Capacity 113.14 Cu Ins = 1,852 cc Tax £ 15.
Quarterly £4 2s. 6d. Alloy pistons. Overhead valves. Valve gear
completely enclosed by easily removable covers. Camshaft and accessories
driven by adjustable chain.

LUBRICATION- By submerged self-priming pump with positive distribution.
Filter can be cleaned without loss of oil. Large accessible filler cap.
Capacity of sump, 9 pints.

ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT—Lucas 12 volt, 40 amp. hour. Separate starter with
Bendix pinion, chain driven dynamo. Five road lamps. Dash lamp.
Accessible battery.

IGNITION By BTH Magneto situated high up on the off side of the engine.

CARBURATION – Claudel Hobson with hot-spot to assist starting.
Accessible jets,. A strangler is fitted.

PETROL TANK – Gravity feed from tank situated in the scuttle. Capacity
approximately 8 gallons. Tap controlled from driver's side of dash.
Large filler under bonnet.

COOLINC--Radiator situated in front of engine. Circulation by
centrifugal pump. Cooling fan integral with flywheel. Water capacity 3
gallons.

CONTROL –By accelerator pcdal, hand ignition lever mounted below 17”
diameter steering wheel, and slow running setting on instrument board.
Electric horn button.

CLUTCH—Single plate clutch of special design providing easy engagement
and change of speed. Dust and water shield under flywheel.

GEAR BOX AND REAR AXLE—Constructed in one unit with central change speed
lever. Three speed gear box in centre of chassis attached by torque tube
to rear axle and providing three speeds forward and one reverse. Spiral
bevel drive. Gear ratios 1st, 7.5 ; 2nd, 8.63, and 3rd, 4.7 to 1.
Reverse, 22.25 to 1.

FRONT AXLE—Stamped " H” section. Fitted with jaw type swivel axles on
which the front hubs run on ball bearings. Lubricated by grease pump.

SPRINGS—Semi-elliptics with spring gaiters and rebound plates.

FOUR WHEEL BRAKES – A pair of fabric lined shoes act internally on each
brake drum. The central hand lever and also the pedal control all four
brakes. Control by rods fitted with easy adjustment from outside the body.

WHEELS AND TYRES – Special disc wheels with one spare. Five 29” by 4.95”
Dunlop reinforced balloon tyres.

EQUIPMENT – Runner boards, speedometer, clock, oil guage, kit of tools, etc.

PERFORMANCE – Speed range on top gear from 5 to 55 m.p.h.

CONSUMPTION – Petrol, 26 to 28 m.p.g. Oil, 1,599 to 2,000 m.p.g.

I have been asked by a potential owner for weight and horsepower specs for the
above -can anyone help ?

Here is a wonderful oportunity to own what may well be the earliest
Armstrong Siddeley 30HP Limosine in tip top condition. I drove this car
a few years ago and she pulled away splendidly in top gear, so, no need
to worry about lacksadaisikle crash changes on its three speed box.
Picture being posted now so you can see her. Asking price is £13,750 --
a bargain for what would cost you the price of 10 or more townhouses
when originally in this condition. You can contact the seller at
www.e-classiccars.co.uk or on 07887722400.

There is also a 1946 Hurricane for sale there for £9,750 if you want
something with real growth potential. See also
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Siddeley/photos/album/0/list      Frank