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Re: [Revcon_Curious] To The Revcon Gearheads...

I don't have much experience with the Revcon, yet. But....

Checking the air in the tires (the tow vehicle) is a good idea. I flat
towed an offroad rig for quite a while before I figured out I was leaving it
at "trail pressure". What I do is inflate the tires to a bit over pressure,
then deflate over a period of days till the wear is noticed close to the
edge of the tread. It's a bit more complicated then that, but you can get
similar results with 2" masking tape across the tread. Test both front and
rear.

Assuming it's always been the same and the engine's not getting tired, it's
time to think of a few upgrades. I noticed MPG improvements with tuned RV
cam and intake, headers, and electronic ignition.

The EFI question brings up a lot of questions. TBI is the easiest, but SEFI
would give the best results.

Synthetic oils and lubes will help some.

With our 3 speed trannys, the diff gear ratio change (or a tire size change)
may help,

OH!!!
In some cases, a trailer's better for mileage then flat towing. A lot of
running gear moves when towing that way. Though, some vehicles are worse
then others. I had rear hub locks on the Bronco. Hook it up, unlock the 4
hubs and go. It was slick, very slick indeed.

Vehicles are very complicated and complex systems, but at the end of the day
It's all about money :)

BTW, I'd yank the H2 system. If any thing's going to help, it would be an
oxidizer (N2O for example) or water injection. I've seen no empirical data
to suggest the H2 stuff helps at all.

I feel your pain, that's for sure.

Fredric

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:48 AM, thomas wessels <thomwessels@...>wrote:

> Dave, Marcus, Gordon... anyone with an idea, I'm pulling my hair out
> here...
>
> We have flatnose unit #71-0004. 455 Olds. I'm a light foot, 55-60 mph,
> towing a Sidekick. I have for 2 years been trying to up the mpg from 8-9. So
> far zip.
>
> It still has the Q-jet which was rebuilt and reworked so as to give us the
> leanest jetting possible (my carb guy went 3 times to a Smog Station to
> verify we were at the best numbers)
>
> We took it 8000 miles last year with the toad and averaged 9 mpg.
>
> Lately the mpg has dropped to 7-8 with the same setup.
>
> We've had the carb tweaked and worked on several times. I don't want to
> put any more 'Revcon units' into it, so I am in process of getting a Howell
> TBI fuel injection retrofit unit.
>
> I thought maybe the carb is dumping more fuel than it should, causing the
> drop in mpg.
>
> Here's the kicker...I looked at the plugs yesterday expecting to see some
> black (at least dark) residue from too much fuel - but they all looked
> evenly clean and light beige.
>
> To me that indicates that I am NOT running too rich, no?
>
> If that's so, where is my fuel mileage going? I am still getting the
> new F.I. system, but I don't think that the carb is necessarily the problem
> now.
>
> BTW: I even installed a real neat looking and well designed hydrogen
> generator after a friend got substantial mpg increase in his p/u and his
> moho from 7 to 14 mpg (same engine - Ford 460 in both).
>
> Even with this unit running, I have seen NO improvement. It just seems I
> am stuck at about 8 mpg now.
>
> Anybody put F.I. on and see better mpg? Any other stuff I can do?
>
> Thanks
>
> Thom and Kathy
> Revcon 250
> 71-0004
>
>


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I know Tom (aircraft electrician) installed TBI in his coach and was getting a solid 11 mpg, but that was not towing. I've also heard fairly good things about...
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I don't have much experience with the Revcon, yet. But.... Checking the air in the tires (the tow vehicle) is a good idea. I flat towed an offroad rig for...
Fredric
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Jul 9, 2009
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That is funny. I have the squirt gun set up on my 73 also. it got disconnected somewhere. My 73 250 runs 10-11 mpg real consistently, and i climb lots of hills...
Les. J Rispens
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Jul 9, 2009
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Les: I like your answer better than mine!...
Marcus Pizzorno
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Thanx all! Well, let's see...   Les, I'll check timing advance. Hadn't thought of that.   Marcus, will check compression (the plugs look real good so I...
thomas wessels
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Thanx, Fredric, lots of good ideas...I'll be trying some of them! Thom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
thomas wessels
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Jul 9, 2009
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Stan, I keep the tire pressure up in the toad so that can't be it, but thanx for the tip! We'll get this figured out, darn it. We 2 are planning on being at...
thomas wessels
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Jul 9, 2009
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HEY,can someone send me some pics of QUARTZITE and a little info about the stuff going on there? THANKS 83 prince ... From: thomas wessels...
Bill Fluke
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Jul 10, 2009
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It is a standard joke that you get 8-10 mpg no matter what you do with a 455 Olds. Any other mileage is a lie. As far as the color of plugs, you can't just...
Gordon Nichol
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Gordon, I'm starting to believe the 8-10mpg axiom...   Re: plugs, I thought it would give a general idea how each cylinder works.   Done all the other stuff,...
thomas wessels
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Jul 10, 2009
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It will give a general idea for sure. If you find one oil fouled, you look for a ring or valve guide problem. If you find one sooty, you know it is rich. If...
Gordon Nichol
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Gordon, the engine is indeed pulling hard and hot.  I checked top and bottom rad hoses and find about 18 degrees difference. Any ideas on what numbers I...
thomas wessels
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Jul 12, 2009
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Maybe it is time to put some flush in the system and pull the bottom rad hose to see what comes out? 185* thermostat? I try 10* BTDC initial and check for...
Gordon Nichol
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Lyle, Well, I may have to (AGAIN) take out the radiator to see if that is the problem.   When I last had it out, I ran a water through it backwards and saw...
thomas wessels
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Jul 14, 2009
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Thom; You have it ass backwards. You want a 185* which opens sooner than a 195*. With a 195* the heavy duty fan clutches are always on, making a hell of a...
Gordon Nichol
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... Just a quick factoid, I was having heating problems with my coach, I had my copper full-size radiator rodded & reworked, still had problems. Added another...
Eric Conklin
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Gordon, I'm re-thinking the t-stat...   'strongest springs' would equal latest mechanical advance, no? I now have lightest springs so as to get mech advance...
thomas wessels
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I'm checking out BeCool now... but why don't you recommend an aluminum radiator? Thom ... From: Eric Conklin <elc32955@...> Subject: [Revcon_Curious] Re:...
thomas wessels
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From the outside looking in: Copper is more conductive than Aluminum and is inherently more efficient. I can braze a copper leak with little effort. I couldn't...
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Honestly can't say if fan clutch is starting up when hot. I had it out the other day and checked out a new (though aftermarket) one which seemed to have same...
thomas wessels
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THERE IS AN UNMISTAKABLE roar WHEN THE FAN KICKS IN. U N M I S T A K A B L E !...
Marcus Pizzorno
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Jul 16, 2009
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On the "open road" the fan is a hindrance, not a help with cooling. Over 25 mph, you don't need a fan. I think you have another problem....
Gordon Nichol
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easiest test is to remove the clutch, then make sure that it releases at room temp. you should be able to twist the fan side and the pulley side with some...
Les. J Rispens
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Jul 17, 2009
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Not sure I completely understand the test as described but I'll try that to see if there's any difference hot or cold. Thom ... From: Les. J Rispens...
thomas wessels
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Jul 18, 2009
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Sorry about that, I was in a hurry and didn't explain very well. A clutch fan allows the fan to freewheel when the air moving over the clutch is below a...
Les. J Rispens
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Jul 18, 2009
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Thom: If you have not HEARD yours kick in, you may honestly be fairly deaf or it is not working. Mine scared the begeesus out of me when it kicked in: stop and...
Marcus Pizzorno
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Heres a thought/what about not useing a clutch fan or any fan at the engine and instead use electric fans like our modern cars and vans do now? Just a thought....
Bill Fluke
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Jul 19, 2009
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Bob put in two electric fans controlled by a switch on the dash whenever he was unhappy about engine heat (mostly when we were traveling in the lowlands in hot...
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