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He is a good actor..... Jan

--- On Fri, 11/26/10, The Golfbum <golfbums@...> wrote:

From: The Golfbum <golfbums@...>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Martha Raye.....
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 26, 2010, 3:05 PM

On 11/26/2010 4:08 PM, PennyPA wrote:

Who is Gary Sinise?

PennyPA

Good actor... plays a cop on CSI New York.

Played the legless army officer in Forrest Gump

Richard
The Golf Bum

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#49037

From: "Joel Leonard" <jleonard@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 2:19 am
Subject: WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

clammeat

wow. how about this?: we can't effectively stop welfare recipients from spending the money in vegas, hawaii, or anywhere else. it's just not practical. even if we could know where they spent the money, we really couldn't pass laws telling them where they could spend, and what for. BUT we could put effective pressure on the merchants! have them refuse to take the coupons or whatever. and if they didn't, make their behavior public: HERE'S A LIST OF LOCAL MERCHANTS WHO TAKE WELFARE FUNDS FOR NON-ESSENTIALS. or something like that. the bottom line is that the merchants want the money and until they see that taking it has negative results for them. if their other customers were truly concerned they'd shop somewhere else. people need to support businesses that keep the profits in their area, not ship the profits to another state, like walmart does (including the outrageous money given to executives) and target (which i believe is owned by a european company. in any event, we need to quit blaming the politicians (haven't we learned yet that politicians don't owe their loyalty to the people, only to themselves) and taking the blame for our behavior that allows this to go on. enuf.

----- Original Message -----

From: Shelley

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:29 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] [RVbasics News] More Cuts for California State Parks

Joel, here's $69 MILLION in entitlements that can be cut.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/04/local/la-me-welfare-20101004

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:05 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] [RVbasics News] More Cuts for California State Parks

penny, please explain. what are the big "entitlement programs." we have many family in california and they seem to feel hopeless. tell me what should me cut and i'll pass it on.

i once suggested that they close down the state college/university system. would save tons of money. many of those students probably shouldn't be in college anyway. use the system that was proposed years ago--community colleges for two years unless you're in the top 20% (?) of your high school class. then after two community college years go on to the uc system: ucla, ucsb, ucb, ucsd, etc.

is that part of the "entitlement" programs?

#49038

From: "Jim Foreman" <jimfore@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 2:27 am
Subject: Re: [RVbasics News] More Cuts for California State Parks

bajajim_99

That's like saying forks make people fat.

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

and if we quietly boycotted walmart and it's cousins we'd find that americans can make stuff like the chinese, and with much more quality. but the trouble isn't the politicians.

----- Original Message -----

#49039

From: Seann Fox <seann45@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 2:33 am
Subject: Re: WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

fox19899

How about them that cash them anywhere but for necessities will loose all benefits forever.. that includes smoking,. drinking, and cable TV
Seann

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Joel Leonard <jleonard@...> wrote:

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wow. how about this?: we can't effectively stop welfare recipients from spending the money in vegas, hawaii, or anywhere else. it's just not practical. even if we could know where they spent the money, we really couldn't pass laws telling them where they could spend, and what for. BUT we could put effective pressure on the merchants! have them refuse to take the coupons or whatever. and if they didn't, make their behavior public: HERE'S A LIST OF LOCAL MERCHANTS WHO TAKE WELFARE FUNDS FOR NON-ESSENTIALS. or something like that. the bottom line is that the merchants want the money and until they see that taking it has negative results for them. if their other customers were truly concerned they'd shop somewhere else. people need to support businesses that keep the profits in their area, not ship the profits to another state, like walmart does (including the outrageous money given to executives) and target (which i believe is owned by a european company. in any event, we need to quit blaming the politicians (haven't we learned yet that politicians don't owe their loyalty to the people, only to themselves) and taking the blame for our behavior that allows this to go on. enuf.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Shelley

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:29 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] [RVbasics News] More Cuts for California State Parks

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Joel, here's $69 MILLION in entitlements that can be cut.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/04/local/la-me-welfare-20101004

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----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:05 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] [RVbasics News] More Cuts for California State Parks

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penny, please explain. what are the big "entitlement programs." we have many family in california and they seem to feel hopeless. tell me what should me cut and i'll pass it on.

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i once suggested that they close down the state college/university system. would save tons of money. many of those students probably shouldn't be in college anyway. use the system that was proposed years ago--community colleges for two years unless you're in the top 20% (?) of your high school class. then after two community college years go on to the uc system: ucla, ucsb, ucb, ucsd, etc.

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is that part of the "entitlement" programs?

--
I listen to the voices in my head when they say "Go Camping"

#49040

From: no1poley <no1poley@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 2:35 am
Subject: Re: [RVbasics News] More Cuts for California State Parks

no1poley...

We moved out of California in 2002. Why? Because we decided that continual increase in the cost of living there would exceed our means.

We were both retired and owned our home free and clear.

God Bless Yall
Poley & Geraldine
Zephryhills, Florida
rvershotline@yahoogroups.com

From: Joel Leonard <jleonard@...>
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, December 1, 2010 8:07:46 PM
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] [RVbasics News] More Cuts for California State Parks

i just passed your email, unchanged, to my best friend, in san diego, my sister in law, in north los angeles, my nephew in venice and his brother near san dimas. also to three people who i worked with for thirty years in the central valley. i guess telling them how it is is about the best i can do as i no longer live in california (because the air pollution in the central valley got so bad that my wife couldn't breath without a respirator). i'm not sure that blaming ALL the problems on the immigants is accurate, but that's not my problem. we were amazed when grey davis sold the california economy down the drain.

i recommended that many teachers should just move somewhere else. without teachers the exodus could be huge. and i think doctors should do the same. without doctors to treat them there would be a change in behavior. i truly think some people have to die to make an impression on the others. and even then i'm not sure the message would get across.

as for the produce and cheap labor: stopping illegal farm labor would slowly take us back to local produced food, the way it was when i was a kid. we really don't need watermelon in the winter; not having it would make it all the more valued when summer came along.

and if we quietly boycotted walmart and it's cousins we'd find that americans can make stuff like the chinese, and with much more quality. but the trouble isn't the politicians. it's our behavior. if we talk about fixing things and then shop for foreign made goods, including cars, tvs and electronics in general we're just blowing in the wind. we're all cooperating with the system that we condemn. so cut the useless education, the unearned medical service, the products that took huge amounts of energy, oil!, to get to us and things would change. unfortunately, that might take a lot of RVs off the road, but we have to begin somewhere. joel

----- Original Message -----

From: The Golfbum

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:41 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] [RVbasics News] More Cuts for California State Parks

On 12/1/2010 6:05 PM, Joel Leonard wrote:

penny, please explain. what are the big "entitlement programs." we have many family in california and they seem to feel hopeless. tell me what should me cut and i'll pass it on.

Entitlements......Try this one on for size...

900 teachers just got laid off from the Los Angeles Unified School
District . They are $650,000 over their annual budget. The following English
teacher helps to explain one area that looms large over California 's
educational crisis.

"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal
immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:
I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large
southern California high school which is designated a Title 1 school,
meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic
and income levels

Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens
, Huntington Park , etc.., where these students are protesting, are also
Title 1 schools.

Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I
say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full
breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott
proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it
being dumped in the trash uneaten.
(OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least
moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school
also
provides day care centers for theunwed teenage pregnant girls (some as
young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to
arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids.
(OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing
funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for
anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new
computers for
the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been
carved with graffiti by the appreciative students who obviously feel humbled
and grateful to have a free education in America ..
(OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers
whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the country
less then 3 months who raised so much hell with the female teachers,
calling them "Putas" (whores ) and throwing things, that the teachers
were in
tears.

Free medical, free education, free food, day care, etc., etc, etc. Is it
any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but to demand
rights, privileges and entitlements?

To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants
contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and
housekeeper and they
like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal
immigration and see the TRUE costs.

Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more
crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new
diseases etc., etc, etc. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.

Americans, We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster
because we won't have the guts to enforce it. Does anyone in their right
mind really think they will voluntarily leave and return?

It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world
culture that does not value education, that accepts children getting
pregnant
and dropping out of school by 15 and that refuses to assimilate, and an
American culture that has become so weak and worried about "political
correctness " that we don't have the will to do anything about it.

If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone
you know including your Congressmen and Senators.

CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?

Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.

Consumers don't want expensive produce.

Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.

But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth ,
a farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor."

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He
takes a job for
$5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no
income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return,
he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.

He qualifies for food stamps..

He qualifies for free (no deductible),
no co-pay) health care.

His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.

He requires bilingual teachers and books.

He qualifies for relief from high energy bills...

If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled , they qualify for SSI.
Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare . All of this is at
(our) taxpayer's expense .

He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners
insurance.

Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.

He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in
benefits.

Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills AND
his.

The American taxpayers also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash
clean-up.

Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up people!

THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING TO THE PRESIDENTIAL
CANDIDATES FOR EITHER PARTY. 'AND WHEN THEY LIE TO US AND DON'T DO AS
THEY SAY, WE SHOULD REPLACE THEM AT ONCE!'

THIS HAS GOT TO BE PASSED ALONG TO AS MANY AS
POSSIBLE OR WE WILL ALL GO DOWN THE DRAIN BECAUSE A FEW DON'T CARE
AMEN!!!

--
Annette Furiani
San Gabriel Calif.

#49041

From: Flytyer <flytyer72001@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 2:38 am
Subject: Re: Volunteer Firefighters: Answering the Call - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News

flytyer72001

http://www.forbes.com/2005/11/23/most-charitable-states-cx_lh_1125home_ls.html?partner=yahoo

please check these from Forbes, it all depends how you want to interpret the figures

--- On Wed, 12/1/10, Shelley <shelleycornell@...> wrote:

From: Shelley <shelleycornell@...>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Volunteer Firefighters: Answering the Call - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 8:06 PM

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2005/11/generosity_inde.html

http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2006/12/10/who_gives/?page=2

----- Original Message -----

From: Flytyer

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:52 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Volunteer Firefighters: Answering the Call - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News

   please give me the percentages from which you derived this statement because buffalo,NY is high for giving money even though they have the 2nd lowest income

--- On Wed, 12/1/10, Jim Foreman <jimfore@...> wrote:

From: Jim Foreman <jimfore@...>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Volunteer Firefighters: Answering the Call - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 7:25 PM

    Haven't you ever noticed that it's people in the red (conservative) states who give the most to charity and do the most volunteer work while those in the blue (liberal) states just sit and wait for someone else to do something for them. Come to think of it, that's the way it's always been.

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: PennyPA

My son's a volunteer firefighter (has been since he was 14) and I was a volunteer EMT with our ambulance squad. Unfortunately, where we live has become a home base for many New York city people who don't understand the concept of volunteerism.   As the volunteer pool ages, there are no new ones to fill their boots. Sad, sad concept.

PennyPA

--- On Wed, 12/1/10, Joel Leonard <jleonard@...> wrote:

From: Joel Leonard <jleonard@...>
Subject: [RVbasics] Volunteer Firefighters: Answering the Call - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 6:04 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/28/sunday/main7096403.shtml?tag=mncol;lst;2

#49042

From: "Shelley" <shelleycornell@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 2:47 am
Subject: Re: WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

wannabmenotu

Oh, yes we can stop them. If they didn't have cash or access to it, they couldn't spend it in Vegas, Hawaii, or anywhere else. If there was SEVERE and ENFORCED penalties, that would discourage the spending and for those that still had the nads to do it, JAIL TIME. And YES, you can pass laws telling them where they can and cannot spend OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY. That's the only sane thing they should do if they're going to continue the insanity of giving money to people who VERY APPARENTLY DO NOT NEED IT or else it would not have been able to be spent in Vegas, Hawaii or anywhere else because it would have been used on necessities to existence and not frivolous vacations.

It should NEVER be up to a private business to police grown ups about what they can spend their welfare on, UNLESS there's a law stating what they can and cannot spend it on. That should be up to the institution who is taking from the people who have actually earned the money and giving it to people who have not. That institution should be responsible to the ELECTORATE. If someone is getting welfare money, the people who they are getting it from should be able to tell them how they can and cannot spend it. Period.

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:19 PM

Subject: [RVbasics] WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

wow. how about this?: we can't effectively stop welfare recipients from spending the money in vegas, hawaii, or anywhere else. it's just not practical. even if we could know where they spent the money, we really couldn't pass laws telling them where they could spend, and what for. BUT we could put effective pressure on the merchants! have them refuse to take the coupons or whatever. and if they didn't, make their behavior public: HERE'S A LIST OF LOCAL MERCHANTS WHO TAKE WELFARE FUNDS FOR NON-ESSENTIALS. or something like that. the bottom line is that the merchants want the money and until they see that taking it has negative results for them. if their other customers were truly concerned they'd shop somewhere else. people need to support businesses that keep the profits in their area, not ship the profits to another state, like walmart does (including the outrageous money given to executives) and target (which i believe is owned by a european company. in any event, we need to quit blaming the politicians (haven't we learned yet that politicians don't owe their loyalty to the people, only to themselves) and taking the blame for our behavior that allows this to go on. enuf.

----- Original Message -----

From: Shelley

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:29 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] [RVbasics News] More Cuts for California State Parks

Joel, here's $69 MILLION in entitlements that can be cut.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/04/local/la-me-welfare-20101004

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:05 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] [RVbasics News] More Cuts for California State Parks

penny, please explain. what are the big "entitlement programs." we have many family in california and they seem to feel hopeless. tell me what should me cut and i'll pass it on.

i once suggested that they close down the state college/university system. would save tons of money. many of those students probably shouldn't be in college anyway. use the system that was proposed years ago--community colleges for two years unless you're in the top 20% (?) of your high school class. then after two community college years go on to the uc system: ucla, ucsb, ucb, ucsd, etc.

is that part of the "entitlement" programs?

#49043

From: "Shelley" <shelleycornell@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 2:49 am
Subject: Re: Volunteer Firefighters: Answering the Call - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News

wannabmenotu

No, it does not have to do with whose interpreting figures. The other articles were basing their figures PER CAPITA. The Forbes article is not.

----- Original Message -----

From: Flytyer

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:38 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Volunteer Firefighters: Answering the Call - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News

please check these    from Forbes, it all depends how you want to interpret the figures

http://www.forbes.com/2005/11/23/most-charitable-states-cx_lh_1125home_ls.html?partner=yahoo

--- On Wed, 12/1/10, Shelley <shelleycornell@...> wrote:

From: Shelley <shelleycornell@...>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Volunteer Firefighters: Answering the Call - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 8:06 PM

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2005/11/generosity_inde.html

http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2006/12/10/who_gives/?page=2

----- Original Message -----

From: Flytyer

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:52 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Volunteer Firefighters: Answering the Call - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News

   please give me the percentages from which you derived this statement because buffalo,NY is high for giving money even though they have the 2nd lowest income

--- On Wed, 12/1/10, Jim Foreman <jimfore@...> wrote:

From: Jim Foreman <jimfore@...>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Volunteer Firefighters: Answering the Call - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 7:25 PM

    Haven't you ever noticed that it's people in the red (conservative) states who give the most to charity and do the most volunteer work while those in the blue (liberal) states just sit and wait for someone else to do something for them. Come to think of it, that's the way it's always been.

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: PennyPA

My son's a volunteer firefighter (has been since he was 14) and I was a volunteer EMT with our ambulance squad. Unfortunately, where we live has become a home base for many New York city people who don't understand the concept of volunteerism.   As the volunteer pool ages, there are no new ones to fill their boots. Sad, sad concept.

PennyPA

--- On Wed, 12/1/10, Joel Leonard <jleonard@...> wrote:

From: Joel Leonard <jleonard@...>
Subject: [RVbasics] Volunteer Firefighters: Answering the Call - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 6:04 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/28/sunday/main7096403.shtml?tag=mncol;lst;2

#49044

From: "Jim Foreman" <jimfore@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 2:37 am
Subject: Re: WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

bajajim_99

Why mandate that merchants become the police for what's a bad idea in the first place. The way to stop the problem is to stop feeding it. Stop the easy welfare checks and you stop the graft.

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

wow. how about this?: we can't effectively stop welfare recipients from spending the money in vegas, hawaii, or anywhere else. it's just not practical. even if we could know where they spent the money, we really couldn't pass laws telling them where they could spend, and what for. BUT we could put effective pressure on the merchants! have them refuse to take the coupons or whatever.

#49045

From: "Joel Leonard" <jleonard@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 3:03 am
Subject: Re: [RVbasics News] More Cuts for California State Parks

clammeat

don't get it. as they say, Analogies are odious....

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Foreman

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 6:27 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] [RVbasics News] More Cuts for California State Parks

That's like saying forks make people fat.

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

and if we quietly boycotted walmart and it's cousins we'd find that americans can make stuff like the chinese, and with much more quality. but the trouble isn't the politicians.

----- Original Message -----

#49046

From: "Joel Leonard" <jleonard@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 3:06 am
Subject: Re: no exams before flights is like no cops in your town--gooooooooooo crazies!

clammeat

okay. i give up. we should stop these examinations IMMEDIATELY. if it works for the israelies it will work for us.

----- Original Message -----

From: Shelley

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:48 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] no exams before flights is like no cops in your town--gooooooooooo crazies!

According to this wiki article, 10.9 million people through Ben Gurion Airport in Tel Aviv in 2009. A few more than 'thousands' imply.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Gurion_International_Airport

According to this article, written in July of 2007:

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/07/airport_securit_7.html

This is how the numbers in Israel's airports compare to airports in the US:

Interesting numbers.

Israel: 11Million passengers/yr / 7Airports = 1.57 Million passenger/Airport/Year

US: 700Million passengers/yr / 400 Airports = 1.75 Million passenger/Airport/Year

Not really a qualitative difference.

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 6:10 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] no exams before flights is like no cops in your town--gooooooooooo crazies!

no argument, but they do deal with thosands of flyers while we deal with millions. i think system sucks, but the israelis have a different level of difficulty....

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#49047

From: "Joel Leonard" <jleonard@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 3:08 am
Subject: Re: Volunteer Firefighters: Answering the Call - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News

clammeat

flytyer. haven't you gotten the clue already. it's so easy to just throw such stuff at the wall, in this case the rv'ers, and see what sticks. the Delete button solves the problem. or Blocking.

----- Original Message -----

From: Flytyer

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:52 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Volunteer Firefighters: Answering the Call - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News

   please give me the percentages from which you derived this statement because buffalo,NY is high for giving money even though they have the 2nd lowest income

--- On Wed, 12/1/10, Jim Foreman <jimfore@...> wrote:

From: Jim Foreman <jimfore@...>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Volunteer Firefighters: Answering the Call - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 7:25 PM

    Haven't you ever noticed that it's people in the red (conservative) states who give the most to charity and do the most volunteer work while those in the blue (liberal) states just sit and wait for someone else to do something for them. Come to think of it, that's the way it's always been.

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: PennyPA

My son's a volunteer firefighter (has been since he was 14) and I was a volunteer EMT with our ambulance squad. Unfortunately, where we live has become a home base for many New York city people who don't understand the concept of volunteerism.   As the volunteer pool ages, there are no new ones to fill their boots. Sad, sad concept.

PennyPA

--- On Wed, 12/1/10, Joel Leonard <jleonard@...> wrote:

From: Joel Leonard <jleonard@...>
Subject: [RVbasics] Volunteer Firefighters: Answering the Call - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 6:04 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/28/sunday/main7096403.shtml?tag=mncol;lst;2

#49048

From: "Joel Leonard" <jleonard@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 3:10 am
Subject: Re: [RVbasics News] More Cuts for California State Parks

clammeat

did forks make you fat?

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Foreman

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 6:27 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] [RVbasics News] More Cuts for California State Parks

That's like saying forks make people fat.

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

and if we quietly boycotted walmart and it's cousins we'd find that americans can make stuff like the chinese, and with much more quality. but the trouble isn't the politicians.

----- Original Message -----

#49049

From: "Joel Leonard" <jleonard@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 3:10 am
Subject: Re: WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

clammeat

okay.

----- Original Message -----

From: Seann Fox

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 6:33 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

How about them that cash them anywhere but for necessities will loose all benefits forever.. that includes smoking,. drinking, and cable TV
Seann

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Joel Leonard <jleonard@...> wrote:

wow. how about this?: we can't effectively stop welfare recipients from spending the money in vegas, hawaii, or anywhere else. it's just not practical. even if we could know where they spent the money, we really couldn't pass laws telling them where they could spend, and what for. BUT we could put effective pressure on the merchants! have them refuse to take the coupons or whatever. and if they didn't, make their behavior public: HERE'S A LIST OF LOCAL MERCHANTS WHO TAKE WELFARE FUNDS FOR NON-ESSENTIALS. or something like that. the bottom line is that the merchants want the money and until they see that taking it has negative results for them. if their other customers were truly concerned they'd shop somewhere else. people need to support businesses that keep the profits in their area, not ship the profits to another state, like walmart does (including the outrageous money given to executives) and target (which i believe is owned by a european company. in any event, we need to quit blaming the politicians (haven't we learned yet that politicians don't owe their loyalty to the people, only to themselves) and taking the blame for our behavior that allows this to go on. enuf.

----- Original Message -----

From: Shelley

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:29 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] [RVbasics News] More Cuts for California State Parks

Joel, here's $69 MILLION in entitlements that can be cut.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/04/local/la-me-welfare-20101004

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:05 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] [RVbasics News] More Cuts for California State Parks

penny, please explain. what are the big "entitlement programs." we have many family in california and they seem to feel hopeless. tell me what should me cut and i'll pass it on.

i once suggested that they close down the state college/university system. would save tons of money. many of those students probably shouldn't be in college anyway. use the system that was proposed years ago--community colleges for two years unless you're in the top 20% (?) of your high school class. then after two community college years go on to the uc system: ucla, ucsb, ucb, ucsd, etc.

is that part of the "entitlement" programs?

--
I listen to the voices in my head when they say "Go Camping"

#49050

From: "Joel Leonard" <jleonard@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 3:17 am
Subject: Re: WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

clammeat

and watch kids starve in the streets? is that your solution? and maybe women can have their babies on the curbs! yeah, they should have gotten pregnant, but they did. how about setting up a pipeline bus system that takes illegal southern immigrants to the border and leaves them there? that might work once the word got out. actually, any single plan will probably not work. it would take many different methods. as for merchants becoming police, that's ridiculous. they already are. they won't sell alcohol to minors, or cigarettes, they stop people from smoking in restaurants and such places, they confiscate fake IDs. using vouchers that could only be used for approved products would be only one of a number of methods. as for the whole system being stupid, i won't argue, but then there is the reality of women having babies in hospital parking lots, etc. simple single solutions are for simple minds....

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Foreman

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 6:37 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

Why mandate that merchants become the police for what's a bad idea in the first place. The way to stop the problem is to stop feeding it. Stop the easy welfare checks and you stop the graft.

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

wow. how about this?: we can't effectively stop welfare recipients from spending the money in vegas, hawaii, or anywhere else. it's just not practical. even if we could know where they spent the money, we really couldn't pass laws telling them where they could spend, and what for. BUT we could put effective pressure on the merchants! have them refuse to take the coupons or whatever.

#49051

From: "Joel Leonard" <jleonard@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 3:20 am
Subject: Re: Volunteer Firefighters: Answering the Call - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News

clammeat

forbes? really? yuk. i guess i just have a bias against people--that idiot forbes--who have only inheirited wealth, a la gore, bush, kennedy and the leech quayle for starters. probably unfair, but that guy gives me the creeps. the forbes workers are probably hard workers, but......

----- Original Message -----

From: Flytyer

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 6:38 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Volunteer Firefighters: Answering the Call - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News

please check these    from Forbes, it all depends how you want to interpret the figures

http://www.forbes.com/2005/11/23/most-charitable-states-cx_lh_1125home_ls.html?partner=yahoo

--- On Wed, 12/1/10, Shelley <shelleycornell@...> wrote:

From: Shelley <shelleycornell@...>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Volunteer Firefighters: Answering the Call - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 8:06 PM

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2005/11/generosity_inde.html

http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2006/12/10/who_gives/?page=2

----- Original Message -----

From: Flytyer

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:52 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Volunteer Firefighters: Answering the Call - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News

   please give me the percentages from which you derived this statement because buffalo,NY is high for giving money even though they have the 2nd lowest income

--- On Wed, 12/1/10, Jim Foreman <jimfore@...> wrote:

From: Jim Foreman <jimfore@...>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Volunteer Firefighters: Answering the Call - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 7:25 PM

    Haven't you ever noticed that it's people in the red (conservative) states who give the most to charity and do the most volunteer work while those in the blue (liberal) states just sit and wait for someone else to do something for them. Come to think of it, that's the way it's always been.

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: PennyPA

My son's a volunteer firefighter (has been since he was 14) and I was a volunteer EMT with our ambulance squad. Unfortunately, where we live has become a home base for many New York city people who don't understand the concept of volunteerism.   As the volunteer pool ages, there are no new ones to fill their boots. Sad, sad concept.

PennyPA

--- On Wed, 12/1/10, Joel Leonard <jleonard@...> wrote:

From: Joel Leonard <jleonard@...>
Subject: [RVbasics] Volunteer Firefighters: Answering the Call - CBS Sunday Morning - CBS News
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 6:04 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/28/sunday/main7096403.shtml?tag=mncol;lst;2

#49052

From: "Joel Leonard" <jleonard@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 3:23 am
Subject: Re: WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

clammeat

except that the institution that you're referring to, the government, is the one who protects this system and it should be clear by now that the government isn't going to solve the problem. so you can beat your head against the wall and keep blaming the government for the problems or do something about it at our level. of course that hits many RVers where it hurts?

----- Original Message -----

From: Shelley

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 6:47 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

Oh, yes we can stop them. If they didn't have cash or access to it, they couldn't spend it in Vegas, Hawaii, or anywhere else. If there was SEVERE and ENFORCED penalties, that would discourage the spending and for those that still had the nads to do it, JAIL TIME. And YES, you can pass laws telling them where they can and cannot spend OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY. That's the only sane thing they should do if they're going to continue the insanity of giving money to people who VERY APPARENTLY DO NOT NEED IT or else it would not have been able to be spent in Vegas, Hawaii or anywhere else because it would have been used on necessities to existence and not frivolous vacations.

It should NEVER be up to a private business to police grown ups about what they can spend their welfare on, UNLESS there's a law stating what they can and cannot spend it on. That should be up to the institution who is taking from the people who have actually earned the money and giving it to people who have not. That institution should be responsible to the ELECTORATE. If someone is getting welfare money, the people who they are getting it from should be able to tell them how they can and cannot spend it. Period.

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:19 PM

Subject: [RVbasics] WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

wow. how about this?: we can't effectively stop welfare recipients from spending the money in vegas, hawaii, or anywhere else. it's just not practical. even if we could know where they spent the money, we really couldn't pass laws telling them where they could spend, and what for. BUT we could put effective pressure on the merchants! have them refuse to take the coupons or whatever. and if they didn't, make their behavior public: HERE'S A LIST OF LOCAL MERCHANTS WHO TAKE WELFARE FUNDS FOR NON-ESSENTIALS. or something like that. the bottom line is that the merchants want the money and until they see that taking it has negative results for them. if their other customers were truly concerned they'd shop somewhere else. people need to support businesses that keep the profits in their area, not ship the profits to another state, like walmart does (including the outrageous money given to executives) and target (which i believe is owned by a european company. in any event, we need to quit blaming the politicians (haven't we learned yet that politicians don't owe their loyalty to the people, only to themselves) and taking the blame for our behavior that allows this to go on. enuf.

----- Original Message -----

From: Shelley

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:29 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] [RVbasics News] More Cuts for California State Parks

Joel, here's $69 MILLION in entitlements that can be cut.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/04/local/la-me-welfare-20101004

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:05 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] [RVbasics News] More Cuts for California State Parks

penny, please explain. what are the big "entitlement programs." we have many family in california and they seem to feel hopeless. tell me what should me cut and i'll pass it on.

i once suggested that they close down the state college/university system. would save tons of money. many of those students probably shouldn't be in college anyway. use the system that was proposed years ago--community colleges for two years unless you're in the top 20% (?) of your high school class. then after two community college years go on to the uc system: ucla, ucsb, ucb, ucsd, etc.

is that part of the "entitlement" programs?

#49053

From: joe nagle <pismojoes@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 3:26 am
Subject: Re: WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

pismojoe

ok what do you suggest and how are you going to enforce your solution

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Joel Leonard <jleonard@...> wrote:

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except that the institution that you're referring to, the government, is the one who protects this system and it should be clear by now that the government isn't going to solve the problem. so you can beat your head against the wall and keep blaming the government for the problems or do something about it at our level. of course that hits many RVers where it hurts?

�

�

----- Original Message -----

From: Shelley

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 6:47 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

�

Oh, yes we can stop them. If they didn't have cash or access to it, they couldn't spend it in Vegas, Hawaii, or anywhere else. If there was SEVERE and ENFORCED penalties, that would discourage the spending and for those that still had the nads to do it, JAIL TIME. And YES, you can pass laws telling them where they can and cannot spend OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY. That's the only sane thing they should do if they're going to continue the insanity of giving money to people who VERY APPARENTLY�DO NOT NEED IT or else it would not have been able to be spent in Vegas, Hawaii or anywhere else because it would have been used on necessities to existence and not frivolous vacations.

�

It should NEVER be up to a private business to police grown ups about what they can spend their welfare on, UNLESS there's a law stating what they can and cannot spend it on. That should be up to the institution who is taking from the people who have actually earned�the�money and giving it to people who have not. That institution should be responsible to the ELECTORATE. If someone is getting welfare money, the people who they are getting it from should be able to tell them how they can and cannot spend it. Period.

�

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:19 PM

Subject: [RVbasics] WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

�

wow. how about this?: we can't effectively stop welfare recipients from spending the money in vegas, hawaii, or anywhere else. it's just not practical. even if we could know where they spent the money, we really couldn't pass laws telling them where they could spend, and what for. BUT we could put effective pressure on the merchants! have them refuse to take the coupons or whatever. and if they didn't, make their behavior public: HERE'S A LIST OF LOCAL MERCHANTS WHO TAKE WELFARE FUNDS FOR NON-ESSENTIALS. or something like that. the bottom line is that the merchants want the money and until they see that taking it has negative results for them. if their other customers were truly concerned they'd shop somewhere else. people need to support businesses that keep the profits in their area, not ship the profits to another state, like walmart does (including the outrageous money given to executives) and target (which i believe is owned by a european company. in any event, we need to quit blaming the politicians (haven't we learned yet that politicians don't owe their loyalty to the people, only to themselves) and taking the blame for our behavior that allows this to go on. enuf.

�

�

�

�

----- Original Message -----

From: Shelley

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:29 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] [RVbasics News] More Cuts for California State Parks

�

Joel, here's $69 MILLION in entitlements that can be cut.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/04/local/la-me-welfare-20101004

�

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:05 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] [RVbasics News] More Cuts for California State Parks

�

penny, please explain. what are the big "entitlement programs." we have many family in california and they seem to feel hopeless. tell me what should me cut and i'll pass it on.

�

i once suggested that they close down the state college/university system. would save tons of money. many of those students probably shouldn't be in college anyway. use the system that was proposed years ago--community colleges for two years unless you're in the top 20% (?) of your high school class. then after two community college years go on to the uc system: ucla, ucsb, ucb, ucsd, etc.

�

is that part of the "entitlement" programs?

#49054

From: "Jim Foreman" <jimfore@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 3:21 am
Subject: Fw: Understanding California

bajajim_99

Chief Heather Fong (on the left), is the first SFPD female, lesbian chief of police.

Theresa Sparks (center, a former male), is president of the San Francisco Police Commission, CEO of a multimillion-dollar sex toy retailer, and a transgender woman.

Sgt. Stephan Thorne (right, a former female), is the first transgender SFPD police officer.

Their Representative in Congress is Nancy Pelosi.

ANY QUESTIONS?

#49055

From: "Jim Foreman" <jimfore@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 3:42 am
Subject: Re: WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

bajajim_99

It's the old bird feeder thing, you put a bird feeder in your back yard and fill it with birdseed and you will have flocks of them in no time at all. Stop putting seed in the feeder and they will all leave. They won't starve, they will just go someplace else, like back to Mexico.

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

and watch kids starve in the streets? is that your solution? and maybe women can have their babies on the curbs! yeah, they should have gotten pregnant, but they did. how about setting up a pipeline bus system that takes illegal southern immigrants to the border and leaves them there? that might work once the word got out. actually, any single plan will probably not work. it would take many different methods. as for merchants becoming police, that's ridiculous. they already are. they won't sell alcohol to minors, or cigarettes, they stop people from smoking in restaurants and such places, they confiscate fake IDs. using vouchers that could only be used for approved products would be only one of a number of methods. as for the whole system being stupid, i won't argue, but then there is the reality of women having babies in hospital parking lots, etc. simple single solutions are for simple minds....

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Foreman

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 6:37 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

Why mandate that merchants become the police for what's a bad idea in the first place. The way to stop the problem is to stop feeding it. Stop the easy welfare checks and you stop the graft.

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

wow. how about this?: we can't effectively stop welfare recipients from spending the money in vegas, hawaii, or anywhere else. it's just not practical. even if we could know where they spent the money, we really couldn't pass laws telling them where they could spend, and what for. BUT we could put effective pressure on the merchants! have them refuse to take the coupons or whatever.

#49056

From: Lee Neat <rvleepwest@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 5:05 am
Subject: Re: Martha Raye.....

ljneat

Gary Sinise also played the bad cop in Ransom.

Lee

Reply | Messages in this Topic (20)

#49057

From: "Joel Leonard" <jleonard@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 5:12 am
Subject: Re: Fw: Understanding California

clammeat

so what's the message you're trying to convey?

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Foreman

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:21 PM

Subject: [RVbasics] Fw: Understanding California

Chief Heather Fong (on the left), is the first SFPD female, lesbian chief of police.

Theresa Sparks (center, a former male), is president of the San Francisco Police Commission, CEO of a multimillion-dollar sex toy retailer, and a transgender woman.

Sgt. Stephan Thorne (right, a former female), is the first transgender SFPD police officer.

Their Representative in Congress is Nancy Pelosi.

ANY QUESTIONS?

#49058

From: "Joel Leonard" <jleonard@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 5:15 am
Subject: Re: WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

clammeat

i truly can't wait to see that. do you have a way to accomplish this, or is this just hot air, the same hot air we get from politicians. if you have a plan, how about telling us how to get it started.

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Foreman

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:42 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

It's the old bird feeder thing, you put a bird feeder in your back yard and fill it with birdseed and you will have flocks of them in no time at all. Stop putting seed in the feeder and they will all leave. They won't starve, they will just go someplace else, like back to Mexico.

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

and watch kids starve in the streets? is that your solution? and maybe women can have their babies on the curbs! yeah, they should have gotten pregnant, but they did. how about setting up a pipeline bus system that takes illegal southern immigrants to the border and leaves them there? that might work once the word got out. actually, any single plan will probably not work. it would take many different methods. as for merchants becoming police, that's ridiculous. they already are. they won't sell alcohol to minors, or cigarettes, they stop people from smoking in restaurants and such places, they confiscate fake IDs. using vouchers that could only be used for approved products would be only one of a number of methods. as for the whole system being stupid, i won't argue, but then there is the reality of women having babies in hospital parking lots, etc. simple single solutions are for simple minds....

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Foreman

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 6:37 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

Why mandate that merchants become the police for what's a bad idea in the first place. The way to stop the problem is to stop feeding it. Stop the easy welfare checks and you stop the graft.

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

wow. how about this?: we can't effectively stop welfare recipients from spending the money in vegas, hawaii, or anywhere else. it's just not practical. even if we could know where they spent the money, we really couldn't pass laws telling them where they could spend, and what for. BUT we could put effective pressure on the merchants! have them refuse to take the coupons or whatever.

#49059

From: "Joel Leonard" <jleonard@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 5:25 am
Subject: Re: WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

clammeat

and the analogy is that people are like birds? birds fly, we can't. birds mostly forage in the woods and meadows for their food. people don't forage. we're no longer hunters and gathers. we need supply lines for food. birds get sick, they die. we get sick we use the medical system. birds have feathers, we have hair. i could go on, but i just don't see the analogy. take away the bird feeders and the birds can easily fly to another place. take away people's food and their ability to travel far and their bodies will litter the roadways and parks. your analogy is for the birds!

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Foreman

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:42 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

It's the old bird feeder thing, you put a bird feeder in your back yard and fill it with birdseed and you will have flocks of them in no time at all. Stop putting seed in the feeder and they will all leave. They won't starve, they will just go someplace else, like back to Mexico.

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

and watch kids starve in the streets? is that your solution? and maybe women can have their babies on the curbs! yeah, they should have gotten pregnant, but they did. how about setting up a pipeline bus system that takes illegal southern immigrants to the border and leaves them there? that might work once the word got out. actually, any single plan will probably not work. it would take many different methods. as for merchants becoming police, that's ridiculous. they already are. they won't sell alcohol to minors, or cigarettes, they stop people from smoking in restaurants and such places, they confiscate fake IDs. using vouchers that could only be used for approved products would be only one of a number of methods. as for the whole system being stupid, i won't argue, but then there is the reality of women having babies in hospital parking lots, etc. simple single solutions are for simple minds....

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Foreman

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 6:37 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

Why mandate that merchants become the police for what's a bad idea in the first place. The way to stop the problem is to stop feeding it. Stop the easy welfare checks and you stop the graft.

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

wow. how about this?: we can't effectively stop welfare recipients from spending the money in vegas, hawaii, or anywhere else. it's just not practical. even if we could know where they spent the money, we really couldn't pass laws telling them where they could spend, and what for. BUT we could put effective pressure on the merchants! have them refuse to take the coupons or whatever.

#49060

From: Seann Fox <seann45@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 5:34 am
Subject: Re: WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

fox19899

Joel since you think we should feed everyone How about you supply your address and we will send/take people to you for meals... YOU CAN FEED THEM
Seann

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Joel Leonard <jleonard@...> wrote:

�

and the analogy is that people are like birds? birds fly, we can't. birds mostly forage in the woods and meadows for their food. people don't forage. we're no longer hunters and gathers. we need supply lines for food. birds get sick, they die. we get sick we use the medical system. birds have feathers, we have hair. i could go on, but i just don't see the analogy. take away the bird feeders and the birds can easily fly to another place. take away people's food and their ability to travel far and their bodies will litter the roadways and parks. your analogy is for the birds!

�

�

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Foreman

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:42 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

�

�� It's the old bird feeder thing, you put a bird feeder in your back yard and fill it with birdseed and you will have flocks of them�in no time at all. Stop putting seed in the feeder and they will all leave. They won't starve, they will just go someplace else, like back to Mexico.

�

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

�

and watch kids starve in the streets? is that your solution? and maybe women can have their babies on the curbs! yeah, they should have gotten pregnant, but they did. how about setting up a pipeline bus system that takes illegal southern immigrants to the border and leaves them there? that might work once the word got out. actually, any single plan will probably not work. it would take many different methods. as for merchants becoming police, that's ridiculous. they already are. they won't sell alcohol to minors, or cigarettes, they stop people from smoking in restaurants and such places, they confiscate fake IDs. using vouchers that could only be used for approved products would be only one of a number of methods. as for the whole system being stupid, i won't argue, but then there is the reality of women having babies in hospital parking lots, etc.� simple single solutions are for simple minds....

�

�

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Foreman

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 6:37 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

�

�� Why mandate that merchants become the police for what's a bad idea in the first place. The way to stop the problem is to stop feeding it. Stop the easy welfare checks and you stop the graft.

�

Jim

�

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

wow. how about this?: we can't effectively stop welfare recipients from spending the money in vegas, hawaii, or anywhere else. it's just not practical. even if we could know where they spent the money, we really couldn't pass laws telling them where they could spend, and what for. BUT we could put effective pressure on the merchants! have them refuse to take the coupons or whatever.

--
I listen to the voices in my head when they say "Go Camping"

#49061

From: Joyce Wilson <joyewils@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 5:40 am
Subject: Re: WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

joyewils

Joel is another liberal do gooder. People like him will cause our country to sink. I believe that there is no such thing as poor people in our country, only lazy people. JMO. Joyce

On Dec 2, 2010, at 12:34 AM, Seann Fox <seann45@...> wrote:

Joel since you think we should feed everyone How about you supply your address and we will send/take people to you for meals... YOU CAN FEED THEM
Seann

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Joel Leonard <jleonard@...> wrote:

and the analogy is that people are like birds? birds fly, we can't. birds mostly forage in the woods and meadows for their food. people don't forage. we're no longer hunters and gathers. we need supply lines for food. birds get sick, they die. we get sick we use the medical system. birds have feathers, we have hair. i could go on, but i just don't see the analogy. take away the bird feeders and the birds can easily fly to another place. take away people's food and their ability to travel far and their bodies will litter the roadways and parks. your analogy is for the birds!

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Foreman

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:42 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

It's the old bird feeder thing, you put a bird feeder in your back yard and fill it with birdseed and you will have flocks of them in no time at all. Stop putting seed in the feeder and they will all leave. They won't starve, they will just go someplace else, like back to Mexico.

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

and watch kids starve in the streets? is that your solution? and maybe women can have their babies on the curbs! yeah, they should have gotten pregnant, but they did. how about setting up a pipeline bus system that takes illegal southern immigrants to the border and leaves them there? that might work once the word got out. actually, any single plan will probably not work. it would take many different methods. as for merchants becoming police, that's ridiculous. they already are. they won't sell alcohol to minors, or cigarettes, they stop people from smoking in restaurants and such places, they confiscate fake IDs. using vouchers that could only be used for approved products would be only one of a number of methods. as for the whole system being stupid, i won't argue, but then there is the reality of women having babies in hospital parking lots, etc. simple single solutions are for simple minds....

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Foreman

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 6:37 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

Why mandate that merchants become the police for what's a bad idea in the first place. The way to stop the problem is to stop feeding it. Stop the easy welfare checks and you stop the graft.

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

wow. how about this?: we can't effectively stop welfare recipients from spending the money in vegas, hawaii, or anywhere else. it's just not practical. even if we could know where they spent the money, we really couldn't pass laws telling them where they could spend, and what for. BUT we could put effective pressure on the merchants! have them refuse to take the coupons or whatever.

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#49062

From: Seann Fox <seann45@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 5:42 am
Subject: Re: WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

fox19899

I know he is always ready to spend other peoples money..I want to see if HE will put his money where his mouth is
Seann
Democrat it is easier than working....

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:40 PM, Joyce Wilson <joyewils@...> wrote:

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Joel is another liberal do gooder. �People like him will cause our country to sink. �I believe that there is no such thing as poor people in our country, only lazy people. �JMO. � �Joyce

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#49063

From: Seann Fox <seann45@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 5:44 am
Subject: Re: [RVbasics News] More Cuts for California State Parks

fox19899

There is lots you dont get Joel

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Joel Leonard <jleonard@...> wrote:

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don't get it. as they say, Analogies are odious....

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----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Foreman

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 6:27 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] [RVbasics News] More Cuts for California State Parks

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From: Joel Leonard

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and if we quietly boycotted walmart and it's cousins we'd find that americans can make stuff like the chinese, and with much more quality. but the trouble isn't the politicians.

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#49064

From: "Joel Leonard" <jleonard@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 5:47 am
Subject: Re: WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

clammeat

i already said that we have to start at the bottom--us. not with politicians--gop, dems or tea partiers. US. the business of the u.s. is business has been said. so begin with business. stop buying produce produced by illegal immigrants. there are plenty of journalists who will identify the businesses involved. don't send your kids to schools that enroll illegal immigrants. etc. it might now sound like fun and it wouldn't be. that's the real problem. examine the things in your RV and vow to never buy things from communist countries, china, etc. and no more tires from overseas. buy american and more importantly, buy locally. you may have to spend a little more, and it will take awhile, but it would work. not easily and not very pretty. but the politicians have no solutions, and don't want any. they just want to be reelected. and those are only some suggestions. now, will you make an inventory and vow to only buy locally produced things when possible. no more walmart, target, etc.? we started a long time ago. we have, for example, a ford van, a chrysler sedan, a dodge motor home and soon a jeep cherokee. they are all pre-1990 and aren't asian tin cans designed to deteriorate in a few years and be thrown away. (not all asian cars are like that, but a great many are--wear out the engine and throw the car away!)

and stop buying water in plastic bottles, one of the dumbest things we do.... it's tap water for the most part. but this society has gotten so phoney that we think it's chic to drink water from the philippines. insane.

----- Original Message -----

From: joe nagle

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:26 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

ok what do you suggest and how are you going to enforce your solution

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Joel Leonard <jleonard@...> wrote:

except that the institution that you're referring to, the government, is the one who protects this system and it should be clear by now that the government isn't going to solve the problem. so you can beat your head against the wall and keep blaming the government for the problems or do something about it at our level. of course that hits many RVers where it hurts?

----- Original Message -----

From: Shelley

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 6:47 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

Oh, yes we can stop them. If they didn't have cash or access to it, they couldn't spend it in Vegas, Hawaii, or anywhere else. If there was SEVERE and ENFORCED penalties, that would discourage the spending and for those that still had the nads to do it, JAIL TIME. And YES, you can pass laws telling them where they can and cannot spend OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY. That's the only sane thing they should do if they're going to continue the insanity of giving money to people who VERY APPARENTLY DO NOT NEED IT or else it would not have been able to be spent in Vegas, Hawaii or anywhere else because it would have been used on necessities to existence and not frivolous vacations.

It should NEVER be up to a private business to police grown ups about what they can spend their welfare on, UNLESS there's a law stating what they can and cannot spend it on. That should be up to the institution who is taking from the people who have actually earned the money and giving it to people who have not. That institution should be responsible to the ELECTORATE. If someone is getting welfare money, the people who they are getting it from should be able to tell them how they can and cannot spend it. Period.

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 9:19 PM

Subject: [RVbasics] WE little people can solve the problem if we have the guts......

wow. how about this?: we can't effectively stop welfare recipients from spending the money in vegas, hawaii, or anywhere else. it's just not practical. even if we could know where they spent the money, we really couldn't pass laws telling them where they could spend, and what for. BUT we could put effective pressure on the merchants! have them refuse to take the coupons or whatever. and if they didn't, make their behavior public: HERE'S A LIST OF LOCAL MERCHANTS WHO TAKE WELFARE FUNDS FOR NON-ESSENTIALS. or something like that. the bottom line is that the merchants want the money and until they see that taking it has negative results for them. if their other customers were truly concerned they'd shop somewhere else. people need to support businesses that keep the profits in their area, not ship the profits to another state, like walmart does (including the outrageous money given to executives) and target (which i believe is owned by a european company. in any event, we need to quit blaming the politicians (haven't we learned yet that politicians don't owe their loyalty to the people, only to themselves) and taking the blame for our behavior that allows this to go on. enuf.

----- Original Message -----

From: Shelley

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 4:29 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] [RVbasics News] More Cuts for California State Parks

Joel, here's $69 MILLION in entitlements that can be cut.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/04/local/la-me-welfare-20101004

----- Original Message -----

From: Joel Leonard

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:05 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] [RVbasics News] More Cuts for California State Parks

penny, please explain. what are the big "entitlement programs." we have many family in california and they seem to feel hopeless. tell me what should me cut and i'll pass it on.

i once suggested that they close down the state college/university system. would save tons of money. many of those students probably shouldn't be in college anyway. use the system that was proposed years ago--community colleges for two years unless you're in the top 20% (?) of your high school class. then after two community college years go on to the uc system: ucla, ucsb, ucb, ucsd, etc.

is that part of the "entitlement" programs?

#49065

From: "Joel Leonard" <jleonard@...>
Date: Thu Dec 2, 2010 6:11 am
Subject: an RV topic! Gear Vendors

clammeat