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#35339

From: David Siburkis <crete29032@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:01 am
Subject: Re: Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

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Funny you should say that, Mark. When Bush was in the whitehouse you had no problem blaming him. Like the rest of the blame America first croud, you probably still do.

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Rob Patterson <snrpatte@...> wrote:

From: Rob Patterson <snrpatte@...>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 7:57 AM

Yes, Mark, I agree

PEOPLE HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Mark <markphxaz@yahoo. com> wrote:

This has been an interesting thread. No where near accurate but, a study in the effectiveness of the spin masters none the less. Too bad the junk we receive in email and for the most part, our own opinions are based on untruths or at least diluted memories of times gone by. Unfortunately for most of, us our opinions are formed or significantly effected, by the conservative or the liberal masters of crapola that feed us what they want us to believe regardless of the accuracy of the manure they spread.

What strikes me as funny is this... We as Americans agree on one thing... we do not want the government in our business. We don't want them telling us how to think, we don't want them listening in on our phone calls, we don't want them dictating the cost of fuel at the pumps, we don't want them in our business at all. Lord knows, we don't want them taxing us any more. However, if we were to walk into the grocery store and not find milk or bread on the shelf, each and every one of us would immediately ask why the government didn't see this coming and prevent it. We would immediately blame the government. I know this is true and so do you... think of the fuel shortages we have experienced and where the blame went. Can't deny it, can you?

The state of the economy is a function of the greed of Americans. Don't have the money? put it on credit. Want a big house we cant afford? wait till the mortgage brokers float us loans we cant afford. Just want a new boat or car, wait till real estate is falsly inflated and then take out our non-existant equity to buy stuff we dont need and cant afford. It's OK because we can blame it on the government when it all collapses.

It all started back when deregulation became a great thing to vote for. Deregulation is a great thing. smaller government is a great thing. But if you want to enjoy the benefits of smaller government, you must practice disciplines that the typical American doesn't have. You have t be able to identify what you can and cannot afford. Not charge and pay for, "AFFORD".

All this doesn't mean we couldn't use some grown-ups in Washington, we could. It just means that we need to accept responsibility for our actions. Firing the toads in Washington won't change a thing unless we all grow up and learn to manage ourselves. I'm not point the finger at any individual. Lord knows the people on this list are probably more responsible than the vast majority. I'm just point out that if we don't want the government in our business we need to manage ourselves better. Not something any ONE of us can do alone.

I've been unemployed since January. Sucks to be me. But, I don't owe a bunch of revolving credit, my cars are paid for, my mortgage is manageable. it may delay my fulltiming and certainly my retirement. But I refuse to blame any single man or position for the situation we face.

Just my two cents.

Mark

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#35338

From: David Siburkis <crete29032@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:55 am
Subject: Re: Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

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Susan has a head injury. They havnn't covered her meds, doctor visits, nerve blocks, or even surgery. A ganglio neurectomy. I'm sure i spelled that wrong. I'm glad she is covered with my insurance thru the teamsters. Maybe it is because I have that insurance. But they have no problem deducting the medicare premium from her ssi check.

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, PennyPA <pitapony@...> wrote:

From: PennyPA <pitapony@...>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 8:10 AM

Dave, what does your wife have that Medicare won't cover?   Heck, Medicare just paid roughly $25k for my LVRS; they pay the hundreds of thousands needed for transplants. Tell us more.

PennyPA

My Lung Volume Reduction Surgery (LVRS) - www.copdandlvrs. blogspot. com

Our Travels After My LVRS - www.mytripjournal. com/PennyandBobs GreatAdventure

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, David Siburkis <crete29032@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: David Siburkis <crete29032@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 4:19 AM

My wife has been on medicare for nine years. Her costs for health care is 15k to 20k per year so far they have covered zero.

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Flytyer <flytyer72001@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Flytyer <flytyer72001@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 6:19 PM

           please check the operating cost of medicare versus private insurance.

           Prevention cost less than treatment, and thus seeing a doctor will cost less

           I think that medicare is 3% while private insurance is 30%. If the money cost is so high why do the other industrialized nations keep it

From: David Siburkis <crete29032@yahoo. com>
To: RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 6:17:53 PM
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

I don't believe that Herb. I think people will go more frequently, causing higher costs longer lines and lower quality of care. Taxes will skyrocket to pay for it all until they can't raise them any more. Thats when the rationing begins. I don't know about you but if my doctor recommends a certain test, i dont want to have to wait weeks or months for that test. You see, this bill doesn't' do anything to lower health care costs. It just makes the taxpayer pay for everybody else's health care. Did I mention the shortage of doctors this will cause. What about the loss of jobs and other damage to the economy the higher taxes will cause? When you add in the administrative costs of a government agency running it all, health care costs have just doubled or more.

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, herb andler <justincarriage@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: herb andler <justincarriage@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 4:39 PM

My intent was to say---with universal insurance--people can now go to a doctor or clinic for much less than what we have been paying fot the unisured to have been frequenting emergency rooms

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:52 PM, PennyPA <pitapony@yahoo. com> wrote:

Herb, who in the H do you think is going to pay for those ER visits by the uninsured? Nope, they might now be insured but who do you think is paying for that? Sheesh.

PennyPA

My Lung Volume Reduction Surgery (LVRS) - www.copdandlvrs. blogspot. com

Our Travels After My LVRS - www.mytripjournal. com/PennyandBobs GreatAdventure

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, herb andler <justincarriage@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: herb andler <justincarriage@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 11:01 AM

I'm sure there will be quirks to work out of it but at least we won't be paying exorbonant emergency room visits for the uninsured. Hopefully they will get the medical feild integrated into a central data system to drastically cut administrative costs and have medical records available from one hospital to another.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 9:54 AM, PennyPA <pitapony@yahoo. com> wrote:

And today (or last night), in that back room, the government just took more control of your life...with the health care "reform". Be aware; be very aware of what's going to come up next with the great reform. Actually, be afraid; be very afraid.

PennyPA

My Lung Volume Reduction Surgery (LVRS) - www.copdandlvrs. blogspot. com

Our Travels After My LVRS - www.mytripjournal. com/PennyandBobs GreatAdventure

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, David Siburkis <crete29032@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: David Siburkis <crete29032@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 3:02 AM

I say to hell with party affiliation! Oust them all! Make them fear for their jobs and dont let em buy reelection with taxpayer money. Too may votes in congress have been going against the wishes of the people. Too many bills have been snuck thru with back room deals. Too much government with too much control equals socialism which has NEVER worked.

--- On Sat, 11/7/09, Burt <k1oik@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Burt <k1oik@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 8:18 PM

I did not know RV basics had any political position, right or left?

--- On Sat, 11/7/09, James Seery <polarjim@yahoo. com> wrote:

Why don't you save your left wing socialist propaganda for a more liberal site.
This is for RV Basics !
NYJim

--- On Sat, 11/7/09, herb andler <justincarriage@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: herb andler <justincarriage@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 8:06 PM

???????????? George Bush had a republican congress AND senate thru his first term.--Fortunatly, people seen where that was taking us and voted enough dems in to take the majority away from him.
       I am sorry to hear you took a loss during Clintons administration. I beleive that to be more the exception than the norm for that era. We didn't get wealthy but we managed to progress some during his administration. Lost our butts during the last few years of the Bush /Cheny administration

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:32 PM, no1poley <no1poley@bellsouth . net> wrote:

Surplus under Clinton, HOGWASH!
I had a portfolio valued just over 1/2 mil before Clinton. When Clinton left office that portfolio was under 1/3 mil. George did not do any better. He had a democrat Congress.
I am amazed at how the democrats continue to weave their web of "it's" the other guys fault" and the public continues to believe.
Wake up and face it people. The guy in there now, sold yall a "dog & pony show".
The only way to turn the economy around was to put the money in the taxpayers pocket; not CEO's.
$10,000 in every taxpayers pocket would have created an upturn in the economy.
But no one wants to listen and fix! All want to talk the problem! Blame, blame, blame!
None talk, fix the problem!
Our Economy sure ain't gonna get fixed here on a Forum where the Topic is RV BASICS!
Why, your off topic already!

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God Bless Yall
Poley & Geraldine
Zephryhills, Florida

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> > > The simple truth of the matter is --and it takes very little research to substantiate it, that every time we have gone into tax cuts and the infamous
> "trickle down" theory, the country has taken on a massive deficits. > I know right wingers scramble to their talking points whenever they hear it, Bill Clinton left this country with nearly full employment and a federal
> surplus.
> > Period--end of story.
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> Now lets see we had how much National Debit when Bill left office? Surplus is something you seem to know little about. You have NO surplus when you are in
> DEBIT, end of story.
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From: "Skip" <tiretramp@msn. com>
To: RVbasics@ yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:57:07 -0000
Subject: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

--- In RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com, "tcb1944" <horsebuggy@ . ..> wrote:
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> The simple truth of the matter is --and it takes very little research to substantiate it, that every time we have gone into tax cuts and the infamous "trickle down" theory, the country has taken on a massive deficits.
> I know right wingers scramble to their talking points whenever they hear it, Bill Clinton left this country with nearly full employment and a federal surplus.
> Period--end of story.

Now lets see we had how much National Debit when Bill left office? Surplus is something you seem to know little about. You have NO surplus when you are in DEBIT, end of story.

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#35337

From: bob woods <rwoods9230@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:31 am
Subject: Re: We won in Iraq, TWICE

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War is an ugly thing, but not near as ugly as what happens to a society that chooses not to go to war, but instead capitulates. bobwoods "war hater"

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#35336

From: "Jim Foreman" <jimfore@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:41 am
Subject: Re: We won in Iraq, TWICE

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If we won just once, much less twice, then how come we are still fighting and getting killed there? Some (a lot) people just don't understand the concept of winning at anything.

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: Burt

Subject: [RVbasics] We won in Iraq, TWICE

Why can people not admit they are wrong?

I screw up plenty.

We won the two Iraq wars as outlined by another user.

Admiting a mistake enhances credibility, not diminishes it.

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Jim Foreman <jimfore@...> wrote:

From: Jim Foreman <jimfore@...>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 8:04 PM

Completion of a mission is not necessarily a victory which requires that
the enemy be rendered incapable of further war. I was in Korea which
McArthur called a war and wanted to win but old Hairy Ass (what he was
called by the troops) wanted to negotiate a cease fire and stopped him from
winning when he could. Now you see the result.
That's what happens when the politicians take over from the military and
start calling the shots.
Oh, BTW, I came home from Korea a M/Sgt. Stayed in the reserves for ten
years as a First Sergeant and when things started rumbling in Viet Nam, I
knew with LBJ in the Whitehouse, it would turn into a disaster so I got out
before I got shipped out as the Top Kick of some infantry unit.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark" <markphxaz@yahoo. com>
Subject: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

Sorry Jim, you are incorrect. Desert Storm, UN Resolution 678, was
successfully completed once the Iraqis were removed from Kuwait. That was
our mission, and we completed it successfully. By the way, I am using "we"
in this case in the personal sense. There was no provision beyond returning
the area to international peace.

Iraqi freedom was not as clearly defined however, the original reasons for
invasion as prescribed by resolution 1441 have been fulfilled. Once again
our military successfully completed our mission.

Our polictical problems notwithstanding, the military operates within
specific guidelines. We don't just go into an area and say, "let's kick some
butt!" Once the specific mission is complete we can go to the house. UNLESS,
Washington wants us to do other stuff in which case we will stick around and
follow orders. HOWEVER, other stuff does IN NO WAY detract from the success
of the prescribed mission.

That being said, we won both.

Now, one of two things has just occured. Either I misunderstood what you
originally meant -or- I am hearing the distinct sound of ice cracking.
Choosing to believe that you are a wise old American of natural birth and in
good standing, I am willing to bet that I misunderstood.

Mark, MSgt
USAF Retired

--- In RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com, "Jim Foreman" <jimfore@... > wrote:
>
> Gulf I wasn't won, the UN demanded that the US halt their advance and
> let the Iraq soldiers escape and you see what they did, went right back to
> fighting.
> Gulf II is still going on.
>
> Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Burt" <k1oik@...>
> Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
>
>
> Gulf 1 and II won.
>
> --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Jim Foreman <jimfore@... > wrote:
>
> ï»¿
> Can you give me a single instance where the government has done anything
> successfully? They haven't even won a war in sixty years.
>
> Jim
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#35335

From: "Jim Foreman" <jimfore@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:19 am
Subject: Re: Thank You Veterans!!

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Thanks for the nice words, far more than what we got when we returned. It was called "The Forgotten War" but they forgot us before we ever left the states. I was in a rather unusual organization, called SCARWAF, doubt that anyone on this list ever heard of us. There was only about 6000 of us, total. We were Army Engineers loaned to the Air Force to build runways. I wrote a book about my time in that unit, it's in the Free Books on my website where it can be read on line or downloaded as a file in your computer.

http://www.jimforeman.com/Books/book_menu.htm

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: Fran Crawford

Thanks, Jim, for your service to our country... and thanks for getting out when you did so you could entertain us with your wonderful stories. I nominate you as the Aesop of the 21st Century.

And also, thanks to the rest of you RV Basics forum veterans. Your service is appreciated.

Fran

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#35334

From: Fran Crawford <fran@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:06 am
Subject: Thank You Veterans!!

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Thanks, Jim, for your service to our country... and thanks for getting out when you did so you could entertain us with your wonderful stories. I nominate you as the Aesop of the 21st Century.

And also, thanks to the rest of you RV Basics forum veterans. Your service is appreciated.

Fran

On Nov 9, 2009, at 5:04 PM, Jim Foreman wrote:

Oh, BTW, I came home from Korea a M/Sgt. Stayed in the reserves for ten
years as a First Sergeant and when things started rumbling in Viet Nam, I
knew with LBJ in the Whitehouse, it would turn into a disaster so I got out
before I got shipped out as the Top Kick of some infantry unit.

Jim

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#35333

From: "kdmc47" <kdmc47@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:44 am
Subject: Re: We won in Iraq, TWICE

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so rude, did someone pee in your oatmeal?

--- In RVbasics@yahoogroups.com, David Siburkis <crete29032@...> wrote:
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> Jack Murtha say's we lost... if you believe anything that lard ass says
>
> --- On Mon, 11/9/09, Burt <k1oik@...> wrote:
>
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> From: Burt <k1oik@...>
> Subject: Re: [RVbasics] We won in Iraq, TWICE
> To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 8:20 PM
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> Point well taken.
> --- On Mon, 11/9/09, PennyPA <pitapony@yahoo. com> wrote:
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> I'm not sure why some people are saying we won wars.  There are NO winners in
wars.
> PennyPA
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#35332

From: John Long <beeman184@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:46 am
Subject: Re: We won in Iraq, TWICE

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War doesn't prove who is right. It proves who is left.

From: PennyPA <pitapony@...>
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, November 9, 2009 9:07:10 PM
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] We won in Iraq, TWICE

I'm not sure why some people are saying we won wars. There are NO winners in wars.

PennyPA

My Lung Volume Reduction Surgery (LVRS) - www.copdandlvrs. blogspot. com

Our Travels After My LVRS - www.mytripjournal. com/PennyandBobs GreatAdventure

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Burt <k1oik@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Burt <k1oik@yahoo. com>
Subject: [RVbasics] We won in Iraq, TWICE
To: RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 7:36 PM

Why can people not admit they are wrong?

I screw up plenty.

We won the two Iraq wars as outlined by another user.

Admiting a mistake enhances credibility, not diminishes it.

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Jim Foreman <jimfore@cox. net> wrote:

From: Jim Foreman <jimfore@cox. net>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 8:04 PM

Completion of a mission is not necessarily a victory which requires that
the enemy be rendered incapable of further war. I was in Korea which
McArthur called a war and wanted to win but old Hairy Ass (what he was
called by the troops) wanted to negotiate a cease fire and stopped him from
winning when he could. Now you see the result.
That's what happens when the politicians take over from the military and
start calling the shots.
Oh, BTW, I came home from Korea a M/Sgt. Stayed in the reserves for ten
years as a First Sergeant and when things started rumbling in Viet Nam, I
knew with LBJ in the Whitehouse, it would turn into a disaster so I got out
before I got shipped out as the Top Kick of some infantry unit.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark" <markphxaz@yahoo. com>
Subject: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

Sorry Jim, you are incorrect. Desert Storm, UN Resolution 678, was
successfully completed once the Iraqis were removed from Kuwait. That was
our mission, and we completed it successfully. By the way, I am using "we"
in this case in the personal sense. There was no provision beyond returning
the area to international peace.

Iraqi freedom was not as clearly defined however, the original reasons for
invasion as prescribed by resolution 1441 have been fulfilled. Once again
our military successfully completed our mission.

Our polictical problems notwithstanding, the military operates within
specific guidelines. We don't just go into an area and say, "let's kick some
butt!" Once the specific mission is complete we can go to the house. UNLESS,
Washington wants us to do other stuff in which case we will stick around and
follow orders. HOWEVER, other stuff does IN NO WAY detract from the success
of the prescribed mission.

That being said, we won both.

Now, one of two things has just occured. Either I misunderstood what you
originally meant -or- I am hearing the distinct sound of ice cracking.
Choosing to believe that you are a wise old American of natural birth and in
good standing, I am willing to bet that I misunderstood.

Mark, MSgt
USAF Retired

--- In RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com, "Jim Foreman" <jimfore@... > wrote:
>
> Gulf I wasn't won, the UN demanded that the US halt their advance and
> let the Iraq soldiers escape and you see what they did, went right back to
> fighting.
> Gulf II is still going on.
>
> Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Burt" <k1oik@...>
> Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
>
>
> Gulf 1 and II won.
>
> --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Jim Foreman <jimfore@... > wrote:
>
> ï»¿
> Can you give me a single instance where the government has done anything
> successfully? They haven't even won a war in sixty years.
>
> Jim
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#35331

From: David Siburkis <crete29032@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:29 am
Subject: Re: We won in Iraq, TWICE

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Jack Murtha say's we lost... if you believe anything that lard ass says

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Burt <k1oik@...> wrote:

From: Burt <k1oik@...>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] We won in Iraq, TWICE
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 8:20 PM

Point well taken.
--- On Mon, 11/9/09, PennyPA <pitapony@yahoo. com> wrote:

I'm not sure why some people are saying we won wars. There are NO winners in wars.
PennyPA

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#35330

From: Burt <k1oik@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:20 am
Subject: Re: We won in Iraq, TWICE

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Point well taken.
--- On Mon, 11/9/09, PennyPA <pitapony@...> wrote:

I'm not sure why some people are saying we won wars.� There are NO winners in
wars.
PennyPA

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#35329

From: PennyPA <pitapony@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:07 am
Subject: Re: We won in Iraq, TWICE

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I'm not sure why some people are saying we won wars. There are NO winners in wars.

PennyPA

My Lung Volume Reduction Surgery (LVRS) - www.copdandlvrs.blogspot.com

Our Travels After My LVRS - www.mytripjournal.com/PennyandBobsGreatAdventure

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Burt <k1oik@...> wrote:

From: Burt <k1oik@...>
Subject: [RVbasics] We won in Iraq, TWICE
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 7:36 PM

Why can people not admit they are wrong?

I screw up plenty.

We won the two Iraq wars as outlined by another user.

Admiting a mistake enhances credibility, not diminishes it.

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Jim Foreman <jimfore@cox. net> wrote:

From: Jim Foreman <jimfore@cox. net>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 8:04 PM

Completion of a mission is not necessarily a victory which requires that
the enemy be rendered incapable of further war. I was in Korea which
McArthur called a war and wanted to win but old Hairy Ass (what he was
called by the troops) wanted to negotiate a cease fire and stopped him from
winning when he could. Now you see the result.
That's what happens when the politicians take over from the military and
start calling the shots.
Oh, BTW, I came home from Korea a M/Sgt. Stayed in the reserves for ten
years as a First Sergeant and when things started rumbling in Viet Nam, I
knew with LBJ in the Whitehouse, it would turn into a disaster so I got out
before I got shipped out as the Top Kick of some infantry unit.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark" <markphxaz@yahoo. com>
Subject: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

Sorry Jim, you are incorrect. Desert Storm, UN Resolution 678, was
successfully completed once the Iraqis were removed from Kuwait. That was
our mission, and we completed it successfully. By the way, I am using "we"
in this case in the personal sense. There was no provision beyond returning
the area to international peace.

Iraqi freedom was not as clearly defined however, the original reasons for
invasion as prescribed by resolution 1441 have been fulfilled. Once again
our military successfully completed our mission.

Our polictical problems notwithstanding, the military operates within
specific guidelines. We don't just go into an area and say, "let's kick some
butt!" Once the specific mission is complete we can go to the house. UNLESS,
Washington wants us to do other stuff in which case we will stick around and
follow orders. HOWEVER, other stuff does IN NO WAY detract from the success
of the prescribed mission.

That being said, we won both.

Now, one of two things has just occured. Either I misunderstood what you
originally meant -or- I am hearing the distinct sound of ice cracking.
Choosing to believe that you are a wise old American of natural birth and in
good standing, I am willing to bet that I misunderstood.

Mark, MSgt
USAF Retired

--- In RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com, "Jim Foreman" <jimfore@... > wrote:
>
> Gulf I wasn't won, the UN demanded that the US halt their advance and
> let the Iraq soldiers escape and you see what they did, went right back to
> fighting.
> Gulf II is still going on.
>
> Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Burt" <k1oik@...>
> Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
>
>
> Gulf 1 and II won.
>
> --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Jim Foreman <jimfore@... > wrote:
>
> ï»¿
> Can you give me a single instance where the government has done anything
> successfully? They haven't even won a war in sixty years.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
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#35328

From: Burt <k1oik@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:36 am
Subject: We won in Iraq, TWICE

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Why can people not admit they are wrong?

I screw up plenty.

We won the two Iraq wars as outlined by another user.

Admiting a mistake enhances credibility, not diminishes it.

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Jim Foreman <jimfore@...> wrote:

From: Jim Foreman <jimfore@...>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 8:04 PM

Completion of a mission is not necessarily a victory which requires that
the enemy be rendered incapable of further war. I was in Korea which
McArthur called a war and wanted to win but old Hairy Ass (what he was
called by the troops) wanted to negotiate a cease fire and stopped him from
winning when he could. Now you see the result.
That's what happens when the politicians take over from the military and
start calling the shots.
Oh, BTW, I came home from Korea a M/Sgt. Stayed in the reserves for ten
years as a First Sergeant and when things started rumbling in Viet Nam, I
knew with LBJ in the Whitehouse, it would turn into a disaster so I got out
before I got shipped out as the Top Kick of some infantry unit.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark" <markphxaz@yahoo. com>
Subject: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

Sorry Jim, you are incorrect. Desert Storm, UN Resolution 678, was
successfully completed once the Iraqis were removed from Kuwait. That was
our mission, and we completed it successfully. By the way, I am using "we"
in this case in the personal sense. There was no provision beyond returning
the area to international peace.

Iraqi freedom was not as clearly defined however, the original reasons for
invasion as prescribed by resolution 1441 have been fulfilled. Once again
our military successfully completed our mission.

Our polictical problems notwithstanding, the military operates within
specific guidelines. We don't just go into an area and say, "let's kick some
butt!" Once the specific mission is complete we can go to the house. UNLESS,
Washington wants us to do other stuff in which case we will stick around and
follow orders. HOWEVER, other stuff does IN NO WAY detract from the success
of the prescribed mission.

That being said, we won both.

Now, one of two things has just occured. Either I misunderstood what you
originally meant -or- I am hearing the distinct sound of ice cracking.
Choosing to believe that you are a wise old American of natural birth and in
good standing, I am willing to bet that I misunderstood.

Mark, MSgt
USAF Retired

--- In RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com, "Jim Foreman" <jimfore@... > wrote:
>
> Gulf I wasn't won, the UN demanded that the US halt their advance and
> let the Iraq soldiers escape and you see what they did, went right back to
> fighting.
> Gulf II is still going on.
>
> Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Burt" <k1oik@...>
> Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
>
>
> Gulf 1 and II won.
>
> --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Jim Foreman <jimfore@... > wrote:
>
> ï»¿
> Can you give me a single instance where the government has done anything
> successfully? They haven't even won a war in sixty years.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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#35327

From: "Jim Foreman" <jimfore@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:04 am
Subject: Re: Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

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Completion of a mission is not necessarily a victory which requires that
the enemy be rendered incapable of further war. I was in Korea which
McArthur called a war and wanted to win but old Hairy Ass (what he was
called by the troops) wanted to negotiate a cease fire and stopped him from
winning when he could. Now you see the result.
     That's what happens when the politicians take over from the military and
start calling the shots.
     Oh, BTW, I came home from Korea a M/Sgt. Stayed in the reserves for ten
years as a First Sergeant and when things started rumbling in Viet Nam, I
knew with LBJ in the Whitehouse, it would turn into a disaster so I got out
before I got shipped out as the Top Kick of some infantry unit.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark" <markphxaz@...>
Subject: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

Sorry Jim, you are incorrect. Desert Storm, UN Resolution 678, was
successfully completed once the Iraqis were removed from Kuwait. That was
our mission, and we completed it successfully. By the way, I am using "we"
in this case in the personal sense. There was no provision beyond returning
the area to international peace.

Iraqi freedom was not as clearly defined however, the original reasons for
invasion as prescribed by resolution 1441 have been fulfilled. Once again
our military successfully completed our mission.

Our polictical problems notwithstanding, the military operates within
specific guidelines. We don't just go into an area and say, "let's kick some
butt!" Once the specific mission is complete we can go to the house. UNLESS,
Washington wants us to do other stuff in which case we will stick around and
follow orders. HOWEVER, other stuff does IN NO WAY detract from the success
of the prescribed mission.

That being said, we won both.

Now, one of two things has just occured. Either I misunderstood what you
originally meant -or- I am hearing the distinct sound of ice cracking.
Choosing to believe that you are a wise old American of natural birth and in
good standing, I am willing to bet that I misunderstood.

Mark, MSgt
USAF Retired

--- In RVbasics@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Foreman" <jimfore@...> wrote:
>
>     Gulf I wasn't won, the UN demanded that the US halt their advance and
> let the Iraq soldiers escape and you see what they did, went right back to
> fighting.
>     Gulf II is still going on.
>
> Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Burt" <k1oik@...>
> Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
>
>
> Gulf 1 and II won.
>
> --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Jim Foreman <jimfore@...> wrote:
>
> 
>   Can you give me a single instance where the government has done anything
> successfully? They haven't even won a war in sixty years.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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#35326

From: "Mark" <markphxaz@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 11:16 pm
Subject: Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

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Sorry Jim, you are incorrect. Desert Storm, UN Resolution 678, was successfully
completed once the Iraqis were removed from Kuwait. That was our mission, and we
completed it successfully. By the way, I am using "we" in this case in the
personal sense. There was no provision beyond returning the area to
international peace.

Iraqi freedom was not as clearly defined however, the original reasons for
invasion as prescribed by resolution 1441 have been fulfilled. Once again our
military successfully completed our mission.

Our polictical problems notwithstanding, the military operates within specific
guidelines. We don't just go into an area and say, "let's kick some butt!" Once
the specific mission is complete we can go to the house. UNLESS, Washington
wants us to do other stuff in which case we will stick around and follow orders.
HOWEVER, other stuff does IN NO WAY detract from the success of the prescribed
mission.

That being said, we won both.

Now, one of two things has just occured. Either I misunderstood what you
originally meant -or- I am hearing the distinct sound of ice cracking. Choosing
to believe that you are a wise old American of natural birth and in good
standing, I am willing to bet that I misunderstood.

Mark, MSgt
USAF Retired

--- In RVbasics@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Foreman" <jimfore@...> wrote:
>
>     Gulf I wasn't won, the UN demanded that the US halt their advance and
> let the Iraq soldiers escape and you see what they did, went right back to
> fighting.
>     Gulf II is still going on.
>
> Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Burt" <k1oik@...>
> Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
>
>
> Gulf 1 and II won.
>
> --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Jim Foreman <jimfore@...> wrote:
>
> 
>   Can you give me a single instance where the government has done anything
> successfully? They haven't even won a war in sixty years.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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#35325

From: "Mark" <markphxaz@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 10:37 pm
Subject: Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

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This reminds me of a joke...

Two reenagers are sitting in the park. The forst one says, "I am going to sue my
parents."

The second one says, "What? You have really cool parents. They are there for
you, they listen to you, they care about you!"

The first one answers, "Exactly! It's their fault I'm not screwed up enough to
write a hit song and become a rock star!"

--- In RVbasics@yahoogroups.com, PennyPA <pitapony@...> wrote:
>
> WHY???  Why do we have to take responsibility for our actions when our
government will take care of us??  What?  Are you from the "Old School" or
something when responsibility was taught at home and at school?  How weird a
thought that is.  Responsibility, indeed.  What an old fashioned word, not
used much anymore.  There are too many others to blame for our actions...our
mothers, our fathers, schoolmates, society.  (TIC)
> PennyPA
>
>
>
> My Lung Volume Reduction Surgery (LVRS) - www.copdandlvrs.blogspot.com
>  Our Travels After My LVRS - www.mytripjournal.com/PennyandBobsGreatAdventure
>  
>

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#35324

From: Steven Fletcher <stevenlfletcher@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 10:12 pm
Subject: [RVbasics.com News] Campground hosts have some tales to tell

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They typically work from May to October. This year - their third in the park - they're staying longer.
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#35323

From: Steven Fletcher <stevenlfletcher@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 8:14 pm
Subject: [RVbasics.com News] Lazy Days RVs files for bankruptcy

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Lazy Days RV Center Inc. filed a voluntary Chapter 11bankruptcy plan.

The plan, filed in U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the District of Delaware, is expected to eliminate all of the company’s $137 million of bond debt, reducing its annual cash interest costs by about $16.2 million through the elimination of bond interest payments, the company said in a release.

Lazy Days filed a “pre-packaged” restructuring plan on Nov. 5 after receiving approvals from its lenders and bondholders. Because the approvals already have been received, the company said in the release that it expects to move through the process very quickly and complete the process by the end of the year.
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#35322

From: Flytyer <flytyer72001@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:39 pm
Subject: Re: Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

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there is money in all of them, and they will always have money

how about the fbi

From: Jim Foreman <jimfore@...>
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 10:45:44 PM
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

All three are bankrupt, you call that success?

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: Flytyer

medicare, ss, insurance on your money in banks,fbi

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#35321

From: "Jim Foreman" <jimfore@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 7:12 pm
Subject: Re: Re: 100.2 % nut

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Don't know about those but Alliance, NE has Carhenge. It's a replica of Stonehenge only made with old cars.

http://www.carhenge.com/

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: Bitter and Murky

To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:06 PM

Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 100.2 % nut

Where are these two other places?

Mar

Nothing right in my left brain, nothing left in my right brain.

Life at 55 MPH http://lifeat55mph.blogspot.com

From: PennyPA <pitapony@...>

There's a similar place in Texas with half-buried combines and another dedicated to half-buried VW bugs

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#35320

From: James Seery <polarjim@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Greatest movie line [1 Attachment]

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Excellent !

NYJim

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Jim Foreman <jimfore@...> wrote:

From: Jim Foreman <jimfore@...>
Subject: [RVbasics] Fw: Greatest movie line [1 Attachment]
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 11:58 AM

Most people say the greatest movie line was Clark Gable's delivery to Vivien Leigh in Gone With the Wind: “Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn”.

But the greatest, most accurate, and most timely movie line was Bob Hope's from a real oldie with Paulette Goddard and Richard Carlson.

Enjoy the 20 second clip. You may have seen it before. But, it fits today just like it did then!

This is THE greatest movie line EVER.

.

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#35319

From: "Jim Foreman" <jimfore@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 4:58 pm
Subject: Fw: Greatest movie line

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Most people say the greatest movie line was Clark Gable's delivery to Vivien Leigh in Gone With the Wind: �Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn�.

But the greatest, most accurate, and most timely movie line was Bob Hope's from a real oldie with Paulette Goddard and Richard Carlson.

Enjoy the 20 second clip. You may have seen it before. But, it fits today just like it did then!

This is THE greatest movie line EVER.

.

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Greatest_Movie_Line_Ever.wmv

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#35318

From: PennyPA <pitapony@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 2:22 pm
Subject: Re: Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

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Neither of these wars will ever be "won" because they are religious wars that have been going on for thousands of years.

PennyPA

My Lung Volume Reduction Surgery (LVRS) - www.copdandlvrs.blogspot.com

Our Travels After My LVRS - www.mytripjournal.com/PennyandBobsGreatAdventure

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Jim Foreman <jimfore@...> wrote:

From: Jim Foreman <jimfore@...>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 9:44 PM

Gulf I wasn't won, the UN demanded that the US halt their advance and
let the Iraq soldiers escape and you see what they did, went right back to
fighting.
Gulf II is still going on.

Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Burt" <k1oik@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

Gulf 1 and II won.

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Jim Foreman <jimfore@cox. net> wrote:

Can you give me a single instance where the government has done anything
successfully? They haven't even won a war in sixty years.

Jim

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#35317

From: PennyPA <pitapony@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 2:21 pm
Subject: Re: Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

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SS is bankrupt (or supposedly on the verge thereof) because it is not in a separate fund as it was set up to be. If it were in a separate fund, there would be plenty of money.

PennyPA

My Lung Volume Reduction Surgery (LVRS) - www.copdandlvrs.blogspot.com

Our Travels After My LVRS - www.mytripjournal.com/PennyandBobsGreatAdventure

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Jim Foreman <jimfore@...> wrote:

From: Jim Foreman <jimfore@...>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 9:45 PM

All three are bankrupt, you call that success?

Jim

----- Original Message -----

From: Flytyer

medicare, ss, insurance on your money in banks,fbi

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#35316

From: PennyPA <pitapony@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 2:18 pm
Subject: Re: Re: 100.2 % nut

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Combine City is about 20 minutes from Canyon TX (see page 4, 11/28/08 of my travel blog) and Slug Bug City is in Conway, TX (p. 4, 11/29/08). There's also a giant cross on this page.

PennyPA

My Lung Volume Reduction Surgery (LVRS) - www.copdandlvrs.blogspot.com

Our Travels After My LVRS - www.mytripjournal.com/PennyandBobsGreatAdventure

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Bitter and Murky <hertinkerbell@...> wrote:

From: Bitter and Murky <hertinkerbell@...>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 100.2 % nut
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 10:06 PM

Where are these two other places?

Mar

Nothing right in my left brain, nothing left in my right brain.

Life at 55 MPH http://lifeat55mph. blogspot. com

From: PennyPA <pitapony@yahoo. com>

There's a similar place in Texas with half-buried combines and another dedicated to half-buried VW bugs

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#35315

From: PennyPA <pitapony@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 2:10 pm
Subject: Re: Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

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Dave, what does your wife have that Medicare won't cover? Heck, Medicare just paid roughly $25k for my LVRS; they pay the hundreds of thousands needed for transplants. Tell us more.

PennyPA

My Lung Volume Reduction Surgery (LVRS) - www.copdandlvrs.blogspot.com

Our Travels After My LVRS - www.mytripjournal.com/PennyandBobsGreatAdventure

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, David Siburkis <crete29032@...> wrote:

From: David Siburkis <crete29032@...>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 4:19 AM

My wife has been on medicare for nine years. Her costs for health care is 15k to 20k per year so far they have covered zero.

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Flytyer <flytyer72001@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Flytyer <flytyer72001@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 6:19 PM

           please check the operating cost of medicare versus private insurance.

           Prevention cost less than treatment, and thus seeing a doctor will cost less

           I think that medicare is 3% while private insurance is 30%. If the money cost is so high why do the other industrialized nations keep it

From: David Siburkis <crete29032@yahoo. com>
To: RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 6:17:53 PM
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

I don't believe that Herb. I think people will go more frequently, causing higher costs longer lines and lower quality of care. Taxes will skyrocket to pay for it all until they can't raise them any more. Thats when the rationing begins. I don't know about you but if my doctor recommends a certain test, i dont want to have to wait weeks or months for that test. You see, this bill doesn't' do anything to lower health care costs. It just makes the taxpayer pay for everybody else's health care. Did I mention the shortage of doctors this will cause. What about the loss of jobs and other damage to the economy the higher taxes will cause? When you add in the administrative costs of a government agency running it all, health care costs have just doubled or more.

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, herb andler <justincarriage@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: herb andler <justincarriage@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 4:39 PM

My intent was to say---with universal insurance--people can now go to a doctor or clinic for much less than what we have been paying fot the unisured to have been frequenting emergency rooms

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:52 PM, PennyPA <pitapony@yahoo. com> wrote:

Herb, who in the H do you think is going to pay for those ER visits by the uninsured? Nope, they might now be insured but who do you think is paying for that? Sheesh.

PennyPA

My Lung Volume Reduction Surgery (LVRS) - www.copdandlvrs. blogspot. com

Our Travels After My LVRS - www.mytripjournal. com/PennyandBobs GreatAdventure

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, herb andler <justincarriage@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: herb andler <justincarriage@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 11:01 AM

I'm sure there will be quirks to work out of it but at least we won't be paying exorbonant emergency room visits for the uninsured. Hopefully they will get the medical feild integrated into a central data system to drastically cut administrative costs and have medical records available from one hospital to another.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 9:54 AM, PennyPA <pitapony@yahoo. com> wrote:

And today (or last night), in that back room, the government just took more control of your life...with the health care "reform". Be aware; be very aware of what's going to come up next with the great reform. Actually, be afraid; be very afraid.

PennyPA

My Lung Volume Reduction Surgery (LVRS) - www.copdandlvrs. blogspot. com

Our Travels After My LVRS - www.mytripjournal. com/PennyandBobs GreatAdventure

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, David Siburkis <crete29032@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: David Siburkis <crete29032@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 3:02 AM

I say to hell with party affiliation! Oust them all! Make them fear for their jobs and dont let em buy reelection with taxpayer money. Too may votes in congress have been going against the wishes of the people. Too many bills have been snuck thru with back room deals. Too much government with too much control equals socialism which has NEVER worked.

--- On Sat, 11/7/09, Burt <k1oik@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Burt <k1oik@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 8:18 PM

I did not know RV basics had any political position, right or left?

--- On Sat, 11/7/09, James Seery <polarjim@yahoo. com> wrote:

Why don't you save your left wing socialist propaganda for a more liberal site.
This is for RV Basics !
NYJim

--- On Sat, 11/7/09, herb andler <justincarriage@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: herb andler <justincarriage@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 8:06 PM

???????????? George Bush had a republican congress AND senate thru his first term.--Fortunatly, people seen where that was taking us and voted enough dems in to take the majority away from him.
       I am sorry to hear you took a loss during Clintons administration. I beleive that to be more the exception than the norm for that era. We didn't get wealthy but we managed to progress some during his administration. Lost our butts during the last few years of the Bush /Cheny administration

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:32 PM, no1poley <no1poley@bellsouth . net> wrote:

Surplus under Clinton, HOGWASH!
I had a portfolio valued just over 1/2 mil before Clinton. When Clinton left office that portfolio was under 1/3 mil. George did not do any better. He had a democrat Congress.
I am amazed at how the democrats continue to weave their web of "it's" the other guys fault" and the public continues to believe.
Wake up and face it people. The guy in there now, sold yall a "dog & pony show".
The only way to turn the economy around was to put the money in the taxpayers pocket; not CEO's.
$10,000 in every taxpayers pocket would have created an upturn in the economy.
But no one wants to listen and fix! All want to talk the problem! Blame, blame, blame!
None talk, fix the problem!
Our Economy sure ain't gonna get fixed here on a Forum where the Topic is RV BASICS!
Why, your off topic already!

--
God Bless Yall
Poley & Geraldine
Zephryhills, Florida

------------ -- Original message from "Skip" <tiretramp@msn. com>: ------------ --

>
>
> --- In RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com, "tcb1944" wrote:
> > > The simple truth of the matter is --and it takes very little research to substantiate it, that every time we have gone into tax cuts and the infamous
> "trickle down" theory, the country has taken on a massive deficits. > I know right wingers scramble to their talking points whenever they hear it, Bill Clinton left this country with nearly full employment and a federal
> surplus.
> > Period--end of story.
>
> Now lets see we had how much National Debit when Bill left office? Surplus is something you seem to know little about. You have NO surplus when you are in
> DEBIT, end of story.
>
> TT

>
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From: "Skip" <tiretramp@msn. com>
To: RVbasics@ yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:57:07 -0000
Subject: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

--- In RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com, "tcb1944" <horsebuggy@ . ..> wrote:
>
> The simple truth of the matter is --and it takes very little research to substantiate it, that every time we have gone into tax cuts and the infamous "trickle down" theory, the country has taken on a massive deficits.
> I know right wingers scramble to their talking points whenever they hear it, Bill Clinton left this country with nearly full employment and a federal surplus.
> Period--end of story.

Now lets see we had how much National Debit when Bill left office? Surplus is something you seem to know little about. You have NO surplus when you are in DEBIT, end of story.

TT

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#35314

From: PennyPA <pitapony@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 2:08 pm
Subject: Re: Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

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WHY??? Why do we have to take responsibility for our actions when our government will take care of us?? What? Are you from the "Old School" or something when responsibility was taught at home and at school? How weird a thought that is. Responsibility, indeed. What an old fashioned word, not used much anymore. There are too many others to blame for our actions...our mothers, our fathers, schoolmates, society. (TIC)

PennyPA

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--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Rob Patterson <snrpatte@...> wrote:

From: Rob Patterson <snrpatte@...>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 7:57 AM

Yes, Mark, I agree

PEOPLE HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Mark <markphxaz@yahoo. com> wrote:

This has been an interesting thread. No where near accurate but, a study in the effectiveness of the spin masters none the less. Too bad the junk we receive in email and for the most part, our own opinions are based on untruths or at least diluted memories of times gone by. Unfortunately for most of, us our opinions are formed or significantly effected, by the conservative or the liberal masters of crapola that feed us what they want us to believe regardless of the accuracy of the manure they spread.

What strikes me as funny is this... We as Americans agree on one thing... we do not want the government in our business. We don't want them telling us how to think, we don't want them listening in on our phone calls, we don't want them dictating the cost of fuel at the pumps, we don't want them in our business at all. Lord knows, we don't want them taxing us any more. However, if we were to walk into the grocery store and not find milk or bread on the shelf, each and every one of us would immediately ask why the government didn't see this coming and prevent it. We would immediately blame the government. I know this is true and so do you... think of the fuel shortages we have experienced and where the blame went. Can't deny it, can you?

The state of the economy is a function of the greed of Americans. Don't have the money? put it on credit. Want a big house we cant afford? wait till the mortgage brokers float us loans we cant afford. Just want a new boat or car, wait till real estate is falsly inflated and then take out our non-existant equity to buy stuff we dont need and cant afford. It's OK because we can blame it on the government when it all collapses.

It all started back when deregulation became a great thing to vote for. Deregulation is a great thing. smaller government is a great thing. But if you want to enjoy the benefits of smaller government, you must practice disciplines that the typical American doesn't have. You have t be able to identify what you can and cannot afford. Not charge and pay for, "AFFORD".

All this doesn't mean we couldn't use some grown-ups in Washington, we could. It just means that we need to accept responsibility for our actions. Firing the toads in Washington won't change a thing unless we all grow up and learn to manage ourselves. I'm not point the finger at any individual. Lord knows the people on this list are probably more responsible than the vast majority. I'm just point out that if we don't want the government in our business we need to manage ourselves better. Not something any ONE of us can do alone.

I've been unemployed since January. Sucks to be me. But, I don't owe a bunch of revolving credit, my cars are paid for, my mortgage is manageable. it may delay my fulltiming and certainly my retirement. But I refuse to blame any single man or position for the situation we face.

Just my two cents.

Mark

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#35313

From: Rob Patterson <snrpatte@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 1:57 pm
Subject: Re: Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

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Yes, Mark, I agree

PEOPLE HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Mark <markphxaz@...> wrote:

�

This has been an interesting thread. No where near accurate but, a study in the effectiveness of the spin masters none the less. Too bad the junk we receive in email and for the most part, our own opinions are based on untruths or at least diluted memories of times gone by. Unfortunately for most of, us our opinions are formed or significantly effected, by the conservative or the liberal masters of crapola that feed us what they want us to believe regardless of the accuracy of the manure they spread.

What strikes me as funny is this... We as Americans agree on one thing... we do not want the government in our business. We don't want them telling us how to think, we don't want them listening in on our phone calls, we don't want them dictating the cost of fuel at the pumps, we don't want them in our business at all. Lord knows, we don't want them taxing us any more. However, if we were to walk into the grocery store and not find milk or bread on the shelf, each and every one of us would immediately ask why the government didn't see this coming and prevent it. We would immediately blame the government. I know this is true and so do you... think of the fuel shortages we have experienced and where the blame went. Can't deny it, can you?

The state of the economy is a function of the greed of Americans. Don't have the money? put it on credit. Want a big house we cant afford? wait till the mortgage brokers float us loans we cant afford. Just want a new boat or car, wait till real estate is falsly inflated and then take out our non-existant equity to buy stuff we dont need and cant afford. It's OK because we can blame it on the government when it all collapses.

It all started back when deregulation became a great thing to vote for. Deregulation is a great thing. smaller government is a great thing. But if you want to enjoy the benefits of smaller government, you must practice disciplines that the typical American doesn't have. You have t be able to identify what you can and cannot afford. Not charge and pay for, "AFFORD".

All this doesn't mean we couldn't use some grown-ups in Washington, we could. It just means that we need to accept responsibility for our actions. Firing the toads in Washington won't change a thing unless we all grow up and learn to manage ourselves. I'm not point the finger at any individual. Lord knows the people on this list are probably more responsible than the vast majority. I'm just point out that if we don't want the government in our business we need to manage ourselves better. Not something any ONE of us can do alone.

I've been unemployed since January. Sucks to be me. But, I don't owe a bunch of revolving credit, my cars are paid for, my mortgage is manageable. it may delay my fulltiming and certainly my retirement. But I refuse to blame any single man or position for the situation we face.

Just my two cents.

Mark

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#35312

From: Burt <k1oik@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 12:20 pm
Subject: Re: Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

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Gulf I was won, we got them out of Kuwait, our goal, Gulf II destroyed the Iraqi
army and ended Saddam. When did WWII end?
--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Jim Foreman <jimfore@...> wrote:

Gulf I wasn't won, the UN demanded that the US halt their advance and
let the Iraq soldiers escape and you see what they did, went right back to
fighting.
Gulf II is still going on.

Jim

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#35311

From: David Siburkis <crete29032@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 10:19 am
Subject: Re: Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

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My wife has been on medicare for nine years. Her costs for health care is 15k to 20k per year so far they have covered zero.

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Flytyer <flytyer72001@...> wrote:

From: Flytyer <flytyer72001@...>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 6:19 PM

           please check the operating cost of medicare versus private insurance.

           Prevention cost less than treatment, and thus seeing a doctor will cost less

           I think that medicare is 3% while private insurance is 30%. If the money cost is so high why do the other industrialized nations keep it

From: David Siburkis <crete29032@yahoo. com>
To: RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com
Sent: Sun, November 8, 2009 6:17:53 PM
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

I don't believe that Herb. I think people will go more frequently, causing higher costs longer lines and lower quality of care. Taxes will skyrocket to pay for it all until they can't raise them any more. Thats when the rationing begins. I don't know about you but if my doctor recommends a certain test, i dont want to have to wait weeks or months for that test. You see, this bill doesn't' do anything to lower health care costs. It just makes the taxpayer pay for everybody else's health care. Did I mention the shortage of doctors this will cause. What about the loss of jobs and other damage to the economy the higher taxes will cause? When you add in the administrative costs of a government agency running it all, health care costs have just doubled or more.

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, herb andler <justincarriage@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: herb andler <justincarriage@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 4:39 PM

My intent was to say---with universal insurance--people can now go to a doctor or clinic for much less than what we have been paying fot the unisured to have been frequenting emergency rooms

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:52 PM, PennyPA <pitapony@yahoo. com> wrote:

Herb, who in the H do you think is going to pay for those ER visits by the uninsured? Nope, they might now be insured but who do you think is paying for that? Sheesh.

PennyPA

My Lung Volume Reduction Surgery (LVRS) - www.copdandlvrs. blogspot. com

Our Travels After My LVRS - www.mytripjournal. com/PennyandBobs GreatAdventure

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, herb andler <justincarriage@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: herb andler <justincarriage@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 11:01 AM

I'm sure there will be quirks to work out of it but at least we won't be paying exorbonant emergency room visits for the uninsured. Hopefully they will get the medical feild integrated into a central data system to drastically cut administrative costs and have medical records available from one hospital to another.

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 9:54 AM, PennyPA <pitapony@yahoo. com> wrote:

And today (or last night), in that back room, the government just took more control of your life...with the health care "reform". Be aware; be very aware of what's going to come up next with the great reform. Actually, be afraid; be very afraid.

PennyPA

My Lung Volume Reduction Surgery (LVRS) - www.copdandlvrs. blogspot. com

Our Travels After My LVRS - www.mytripjournal. com/PennyandBobs GreatAdventure

--- On Sun, 11/8/09, David Siburkis <crete29032@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: David Siburkis <crete29032@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 3:02 AM

I say to hell with party affiliation! Oust them all! Make them fear for their jobs and dont let em buy reelection with taxpayer money. Too may votes in congress have been going against the wishes of the people. Too many bills have been snuck thru with back room deals. Too much government with too much control equals socialism which has NEVER worked.

--- On Sat, 11/7/09, Burt <k1oik@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Burt <k1oik@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 8:18 PM

I did not know RV basics had any political position, right or left?

--- On Sat, 11/7/09, James Seery <polarjim@yahoo. com> wrote:

Why don't you save your left wing socialist propaganda for a more liberal site.
This is for RV Basics !
NYJim

--- On Sat, 11/7/09, herb andler <justincarriage@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: herb andler <justincarriage@ gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate
To: RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com
Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 8:06 PM

???????????? George Bush had a republican congress AND senate thru his first term.--Fortunatly, people seen where that was taking us and voted enough dems in to take the majority away from him.
       I am sorry to hear you took a loss during Clintons administration. I beleive that to be more the exception than the norm for that era. We didn't get wealthy but we managed to progress some during his administration. Lost our butts during the last few years of the Bush /Cheny administration

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:32 PM, no1poley <no1poley@bellsouth . net> wrote:

Surplus under Clinton, HOGWASH!
I had a portfolio valued just over 1/2 mil before Clinton. When Clinton left office that portfolio was under 1/3 mil. George did not do any better. He had a democrat Congress.
I am amazed at how the democrats continue to weave their web of "it's" the other guys fault" and the public continues to believe.
Wake up and face it people. The guy in there now, sold yall a "dog & pony show".
The only way to turn the economy around was to put the money in the taxpayers pocket; not CEO's.
$10,000 in every taxpayers pocket would have created an upturn in the economy.
But no one wants to listen and fix! All want to talk the problem! Blame, blame, blame!
None talk, fix the problem!
Our Economy sure ain't gonna get fixed here on a Forum where the Topic is RV BASICS!
Why, your off topic already!

--
God Bless Yall
Poley & Geraldine
Zephryhills, Florida

------------ -- Original message from "Skip" <tiretramp@msn. com>: ------------ --

>
>
> --- In RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com, "tcb1944" wrote:
> > > The simple truth of the matter is --and it takes very little research to substantiate it, that every time we have gone into tax cuts and the infamous
> "trickle down" theory, the country has taken on a massive deficits. > I know right wingers scramble to their talking points whenever they hear it, Bill Clinton left this country with nearly full employment and a federal
> surplus.
> > Period--end of story.
>
> Now lets see we had how much National Debit when Bill left office? Surplus is something you seem to know little about. You have NO surplus when you are in
> DEBIT, end of story.
>
> TT

>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> This news and discussion group is a service of RVbasics.com.
> http://rvbasics. / com and http://rvinternetac / cess.comYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Skip" <tiretramp@msn. com>
To: RVbasics@ yahoogroup s.com
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:57:07 -0000
Subject: [RVbasics] Re: 10.2 % unemployment rate

--- In RVbasics@yahoogroup s.com, "tcb1944" <horsebuggy@ . ..> wrote:
>
> The simple truth of the matter is --and it takes very little research to substantiate it, that every time we have gone into tax cuts and the infamous "trickle down" theory, the country has taken on a massive deficits.
> I know right wingers scramble to their talking points whenever they hear it, Bill Clinton left this country with nearly full employment and a federal surplus.
> Period--end of story.

Now lets see we had how much National Debit when Bill left office? Surplus is something you seem to know little about. You have NO surplus when you are in DEBIT, end of story.

TT

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From: John Long <beeman184@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 4:17 am
Subject: Re: Re: 100.2 % nut

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