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RE: [Prius-2G] Using neutral

I do want to protect the battery that is why I asked the question.



Sound like your saying it hurts the battery if you coast in neutral.



I have two other cars both manual tranny.



On the occasion you might have a long downhill I pop the tranny into neutral
and coast.



If I start to pick up speed I will put the tranny back into 5th or 4th so
slow the car thus saving the brakes some.



This last week we took the prius and as I descended the hill the battery
went to full charge quickly.



I thought that if I coast neutral the system would be idle until I returned
the car to drive.



My thought was if the system is idle you would coast better since your you
have zero engine drag.



But I don't want to break something (again the reason for the question).



Thanks for any input Spidy





From: Prius-2G@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Prius-2G@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Davenport
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 8:47 AM
To: Prius-2G@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Prius-2G] Using neutral








Actually, there is. You'll end up riding the brakes more during the downhill
thus causing unnecessary wear to the pads.

The Prius knows exactly what to do with any excess energy during long
downhills, whether the battery is fully charged or not. Shifting to neutral
and coasting downhill is leftover from your grandparents' legacy. There
is absolutely no technical or logical justification for it.

Spidy wrote:
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> I was more interested in if there is a mechanical issue that is harmful to
> your car.
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Actually, there is. You'll end up riding the brakes more during the downhill thus causing unnecessary wear to the pads. The Prius knows exactly what to do with...
Alan Davenport
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Jul 5, 2009
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I do want to protect the battery that is why I asked the question. Sound like your saying it hurts the battery if you coast in neutral. I have two other cars...
Spidy
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Jul 5, 2009
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... It's my understanding that when the battery is full, the computer knows and takes action on its own to prevent over charging of the battery. We don't have...
Alex Baker
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Jul 5, 2009
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A few points; "neutral" doesn't mean the engine is disconnected. You cannot "disconnect" the engine in a Prius There are no clutches or mechanical ...
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Jul 5, 2009
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Good points that I overlooked; I'm still pretty new to Prii so I gotta think about stuff a lot. Spidey, I reckon my main reasoning was the law -- here in...
Alan Davenport
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Jul 5, 2009
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... Perhaps you didn't notice the big yellow triangle when you "popped" it into Neutral warning you about the battery? ... Dangerous and probably illegal....
Paul Lawler
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Jul 6, 2009
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... <snip> Perhaps you didn't notice the big yellow triangle when you "popped" it into Neutral warning you about the battery? ... The big yellow triangle does...
Tideland Pearl ai
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Jul 6, 2009
10:53 am

... Coasting in neutral is contra-indicated for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that the Prius doesn't really have a "neutral" in the same sense...
Peter Granzeau
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Jul 6, 2009
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... * When going down a long hill, I shift into 'B' -- not 'Neutral'. 'B' provides engine braking, just like shifting down in a car with a shift transmission....
Earle Jones
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Jul 5, 2009
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... Brake job cost a few hundred dollars, engine rebuild costs thousands, so why put the extra wear on the engine? I always shifted down for steep hills until...
Tim
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Jul 6, 2009
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... Because the wear on the engine is no worse than that caused by using it to drive the car forward. I.e using engine braking downhill, isn't going to cause...
Alan Bowler
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Jul 6, 2009
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... Can you demonstrate that using compression braking causes extra wear on the engine? ... So what? In order for his "patronizing smile" to mean anything, he ...
Paul Lawler
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... Yes, Park your Prius and the engine will never wear out. Every revolution of and ICE produces wear on the moving parts. It is not the compression that...
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Jul 7, 2009
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Hold on. If you say that it's not the compression but the rpms that causes wear, and the Prius has no true neutral, so the engine is spinning whether it's in...
Mark Morris
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Jul 7, 2009
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... I said "extra" wear. In other words, it will cause the engine to fail prematurely costing thousands of dollars. That was the "trucker's" claim. ... Again,...
Paul Lawler
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A modern engine just "spinning" and not generating power would create so little wear that I doubt it would be measurable over 2 or 3 car life times. No heavy...
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Gary; Jet engine are rebuilt every 1000 - 2000 hours engine dependent. That would be every 50,000 to 100,000 miles of Prius driving. I will admit the...
Tim
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First off I am no jet mechanic and jets have VERY little in common with piston engines. Modern jet engines are commonly 3000 to 3500 hour TBO and spin WAY...
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Since you get me thinking. Out in my shed I have a 1950 Farmall H tractor, a 150 cubic inch 4 cylinder that puts out 15 PTO horse power. It has been well...
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... I don't know about the Prius, but for most of the automotive age, stationary and commercial engines were much better built than were automotive engines. I...
Peter Granzeau
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... I think I am going to have to go with this one... Even if the engine was at zero rpm while in neutral, and even if there were no lubrication concerns about...
Alex Baker
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Jul 8, 2009
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... The justification for using engine braking is that drum brakes used to fade in heavy use, eventually losing their ability to stop a vehicle. This is...
Peter Granzeau
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... Your Prius (at least all the ones up until the 2009) has rear drum brakes....
Paul Lawler
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... Which do not do more than about 10% of the decelleration of a Prius. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jim Saklad...
Jim Saklad
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Jul 7, 2009
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... Brake fade is pretty well discussed in Wikipedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_fade ... -- ...
Jim Saklad
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Jul 7, 2009
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That would be exactly the wrong thing to do. In fact that's the only reason you have B-mode, and that's the only situation it makes sense to use it. =Gary...
Gary Novosielski
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Jul 6, 2009
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Just a few more point on neutral vs. B B) On a long downhill, when the battery is full or is going to fill up anyway, use B. That's it. N) Neutral does not...
Markus Groner
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Jul 6, 2009
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... <snip> Neutral does not cause any damage, but it's usually useless, dangerous, and/or wastes fuel. Except in the case below: The only way you can damage...
Tideland Pearl ai
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Jul 6, 2009
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... Which is exactly what he might do if he shifted into N at the top of a long steep hill in order to "coast" down. ;o)...
Paul Lawler
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Jul 6, 2009
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OK, take a look at http://eahart.com/prius/psd/ Then read on..... The Prius usually limits MG1 to 6500rpm electronically, which is 42 mph if engine RPM=0....
Markus Groner
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