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Re: Another perspective on Detroit's ability to listen

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> I have a friend who relatively recently came to her senses and
replaced her
> full-sized American pick-up with a Toyota Matrix.
>
> On the other hand, she no longer has her horse-trailer, either....
>

Did your friend consider the Pontiac Vibe? The cars are identical
(except for some trim), as they are produced in a jointly owned
GM/Toyota plant (NUMMI), in CA. I believe that on average the Vibe
costs between $500-$1000 less just because of the GM moniker.

What this points out to me is that while GM and others can make decent
cars that people do want, they lost the trust of the American people
from years of neglect up and down the value chain. It is evident that
people voted with their pocketbooks and walked away from the big three
when the choices were similar enough. The distinguished products from
the big three continued to sell until again there was product parity
(Minivans, Trucks, etc...). My .02




Wed Dec 3, 2008 2:44 pm

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... plenty of ... that they ... replaced her ... It's simple, really. In Europe gas is what - 6 or 7 dollars a gallon? So they want, build, and buy little...
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<snip> ... replaced her ... Did your friend consider the Pontiac Vibe? The cars are identical (except for some trim), as they are produced in a jointly owned ...
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... When my husband bought his Matrix in August of 2005, he chose Matrix over Vibe because the Matrix was being sold for more than $2K less than the Pontiac....
Linda
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Dec 3, 2008
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... Matrix over ... the ... wouldn't. ... I just went to the Yoyota dealer for my servicing. I always check out the lot for Prius(es). They had a dozen of them...
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Dec 4, 2008
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... What kind of law would you like? A law against supply and demand driving prices?...
Paul Lawler
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... [ snip ] ... [ snip ] ... Bill - you're correct. No advertising "makes" anyone buy something. But desire it strongly? I think this is possible. I've...
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... Now, for me, advertising simply provides a service. It tells me something is available. Without the advertising, I may not have known it was available. ...
Bill G.
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... Verrrry interesting, Bill. You seem to believe that advertising is true, undistorted, honest, and reliable. Verrry interesting. Bob in Newport...
bob in Newport
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... Bob, you put words in my mouth that I didn't say. I didn't address due diligence. Bill...
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... Your point is accepted, Bill. Sorry, I jumped to concussions. I've been peeved a lot lately by all the car ads that claim 30-50 mpg, vs. CU's testing...
bob in Newport
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... Hi, Bob. I'm not sure the advertisers have the freedom to make an arbitrary claim on MPG. Aren't they limited by law to using only the exact results of the...
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... You are directing your anger at the wrong party. The car ads by law (at least in the U.S.) must list the EPA test results for mileage. They may also list...
Paul Lawler
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... Ok, Paul. My anger is sometimes a problem, sometimes leading to "blindness." So help me out here. Last week, there was an ad on TV for the 2009 Cadilac...
bob in Newport
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... The claims are pretty clear on their website. http://www.cadillac.com/cadillacjsp/model/landing.jsp?model=cts&year=2009 or: http://tinyurl.com/5kdpzz ...
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... Gotta fault your memory on this one... if they ran that ad the EPA would be suing their butts. The only thing I can think of is if they were comparing...
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... Hold on there cowboy. You do realize that a big reason for Hummer sales was an IRS rule: "100%, First Year, Tax Deduction for Business Use" ......
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... resulted in lots of ... (to cite two ... VEHICLES WITH A ... Expeditions, etc. ... When I first heard that, I was irate, and checked into it. What I found...
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There are far too many people driving too much vehicle(s). And you're correct about many men making up for their "shortcomings" by buying big trucks. However,...
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One word, CORVETTE. Cpt. Denny Port St. Lucie, FL. USA. '08 MB E320 Blue Tec '04 Tideland #9 ... From: Prius-2G@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/03/08 09:44:28 To:...
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A vehicle with no utility at all (other than hauling two people, no luggage, around, burning great gobs of gas in the doing) and sold in small quantities...
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... * The world needs a Corvette about like I need a third nostril. earle * ________________________ Earle Jones  380 Conil Way Portola Valley CA 94028 ...
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...Not to mention that the warranty on the Vibe was 3/36 on the powertrain, while the Matrix was 5/60. Erick ________________________________ From: Linda...
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Even the weather channel concentrates on the coasts (including the gulf coast, when forced by circumstances). My wife kept track for several days and found...
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... days ... time. ... Naaah. We get enough exposure to the weather that we don't need the TV to tell us it is cold out. They concentrate on the coasts as a ...
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