----- Original Message -----

From: Ricky Suiter

To: NEVs@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 8:34 PM

Subject: Re: [NEVs] Batteries in Star LSV

 

That doesn't sound out of the ordinary. Usually when you get new batteries they aren't even fully topped off. I'm guessing these are golf cart type batteries? The proper fill level is about 1/8" below the bottom of the neck that sticks down in to the batteries. Usually the automatic watering bottles fill them up to the bottom of the neck, which is ok, you just don't want to fill them up all the way because then you will have them overflow. Also, you mention that you haven't driven it enough to charge. You should always try and keep it as charged as possible. If you let it sit partially discharged for a significant period of time (longer than say a day) you will begin to start loosing battery capacity. And also, only water the batteries when they are fully charged. When batteries discharge the dissolved sulfuric acid in the electrolyte forms solids on the battery plates and turns the liquid more in to water and the level will actually go down a significant amount. If you fill them at a partial charge then charge them it's possible you can cause the acid solution to overflow out of the batteries. Hope that helps. Rick PS, distilled water from Walmart is really cheap. I usually go there and buy 15 gallons at a time... although I do have several EV's to maintain and a few plants that don't like city water. --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Jane Neely <jneely@...> wrote: From: Jane Neely <jneely@...> Subject: [NEVs] Batteries in Star LSV To: NEVs@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 2:27 PM   I used a gallon of distilled water in my LSV lift car 8 batteries - http://electriccaro utlet.net/ vehicles- STAR-48L- 22F-1a.htm I have had it a month and it was supposed to be all checked when I got it.  I will watch it weekly - Is this normal.  jane in Oklahoma It was not driven a lot to even charge the battery.  Very light driving 10-15 minutes - I do not charge although book says to, salesperson said not necessary all the time.    thanks

Yes, they are lead acid batteries and it has an updated controller. I will
have to check out the hand held voltage thing and see because I am just not
getting the mileage per charge that I should. They are not supposed to be
able to be overcharged.
Cheryl Bullard-mom to ThelmaLou-Dal(UAG1  CGC  RN  CPX), Annie-BC (CGC
  FDE),
Kramer-HFH VBD) and Oliver-the goose (UAG1  RN)
Home of Windswept Dalmatians and agility/rally equpment
http://www.windsweptdals.com

I sure enjoy this group and all the info and support.
Can anyone tell me more about how to do a fuel gauge reset? My Bombardier is a
1997. I have just replaced all the batteries with Interstate Workaholic group 31
no mantinance types. I used these on a Gem car I had and it worked great. This
car had not run for a couple of years before I purchased it. Now all works great
except for this battery indicator problem. With only two good bars showing I
still have 71 volts reading at the contactor by the rear wheel.

Thanks Much
darrelshank@...

--- In NEVs@yahoogroups.com, chuck walsh <profwalsh@...> wrote:
>
>
> Welcome to the world of Bombers,
> The cure for your problem may not indicate a battery problem.  It may be
similar to the problem I had this summer, my fuel gauge had to be re-calibrated.
I could not understand after only 10 miles my gauge would indicate a need of
charge but the battery pack, measured with a volt meter under the chassis near
the driver side wheel, black lead to the ground lug, and the red lead to the
yellow wire lug I believe.  Check your manual for exact locations.  When I did
this I noticed even though the gauge read near empty the battery pack read 56
volts !  In the manual it refers to how a gauge reset is accomplished.  So check
that pack with a volt meter.  If you need a manual I have a copy.  BTW that's
all you get from Peacock a copy of a copy.
> Chuck in Montana
>
> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/
>

Hi gang.  Just wanted to say hello.  I'm helping out Dave in Environmental
Motors in Glendale, CA.  How many of you are out here in the Southern part of
the Golden State?  Since the sky is falling today (Northerners call it rain), I
figured a few of you would be on the computer.  Wanted to let you know that we
got a fully loaded Zenn going for 50% Off and an Zap for 40%.  Tell your ICE
friends.  Those of you who are not familiar with EVM, our web address is
www.environmentalmotors.com.
Lawrence

Hello Oklahoma!
What type of battery pack do you have?  I know cold weather can severly affect
the performance of lead acid batteries.  For realistic driving, I usually half
any manufacture's mileage claims.  If you have lead acid batteries, you'll get a
much better live span out of them if you do not take them below 50% depth of
charge.  Also if you have an upgraded controler, you'll be using more power; and
your range will suffer.
      If you have a hand held voltage meter, you might check the voltage in each
battery a couple of minutes after you have charged the vehicle and then
immediately after you have taken a 10 to 15 mile drive.  If one of the batteries
varies by more than several tenths, it is weaker than the rest.  A battery pack
is only as strong as its weakest battery.
     If the batteries are holding their voltage, you might do a quick charge
before you starting driving to get the batteries warmed up.  Be careful not to
over charge.  Over charging is bad for the bats.
      If all else fails, you can get one of our electrics.  We have a holiday
sale going on now.  Up to 50% OFF!
Drive Safely,
Lawrence
www.environmentalmotors.com

--- In NEVs@yahoogroups.com, cheryl bullard <dalnmutts@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, I am in Oklahoma and have a Kandi Coco. It has been upgraded to a MSV as
> they are legal in Oklahoma. My only problem has been lack of power  in this
> cold weather. Friday it only went 15 mph the last 3 miles. I drove it for 17
> miles total and it is supposed to go 50 miles per charge, but I see lack of
> power in cold weather is a problem.
> Cheryl Bullard-mom to ThelmaLou-Dal(UAG1  CGC  RN  CPX), Annie-BC (CGC
>  FDE),
> Kramer-HFH VBD) and Oliver-the goose (UAG1  RN)
> Home of Windswept Dalmatians and agility/rally equpment
> http://www.windsweptdals.com
> "Everybody needs beauty as well as bread, places to play in and pray
> in, where nature may heal and cheer and give strength to the body and
> soul." JOHN MUIR
>

I mistakenly posted the wrong link for "Orange County" wherein lies Electric
Cart Warehouse-----------here is the correct link---



http://orangecountyda.com/home/index.asp?page=116

Electric Cart Warehouse is located in Costa Mesa, CA   (Orange County).  Here is
the link to the Consumer Affairs webpage which you may find helpful if you
choose to pursue a claim against ECW


http://www.orangecountyda.com/home/index.asp?page=117






(South Carolina)                                               (Florida)
Dennis A. Fried, M.D., J.D.                             Dennis A. Fried, M.D.,
J.D.
3061 Pignatelli Crescent                                680 Ternberry Forest
Drive
Mt. Pleasant (Charleston) , SC  29466        The Villages, FL  32162
USA                                                                    USA
Cell  843-568-9160                                         Cell  843-568-9160
Fax  843-388-9063                                         Email  friedmd@...
Email  friedmd@...

--- In NEVs@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <cknape1@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone ever dealt with Electric Cart Warehouse?
http://www.electriccartwarehouse.com/
>
> I ordered a GEM E825 fender from them a few weeks ago and was told I would get
a "like new" blue fender with the nuts and bolts.
>
> I was sent a yellow, heavy worn and patched fender with no mounting kit. I was
dealing with a man name Brian Coles. Over the past week I have called and talked
to him a couple of times.
>
> At one point he said to ship the part back, but I said I wanted them to cover
that (obviously substantial) cost since they clearly sent the wrong part. He
said he would need to talk to his boss. Three or four phone calls later and I
still don't have resolution. He has never returned any of my calls.
>
> Needless to say, I'm not a happy customer at this point. I called today and
was again told they were going to make my situation a priority. Brian, however,
is out until Saturday. I'll let you know how this goes.
>

Hi Chris,

Sorry to hear of your lousy experience with Electric Cart Warehouse.

I have a blue rear fender from my 2001 E825 GEM which I replaced with
a utility box awhile ago.  It is intact except for a 3" vertical crack
on the inside rear edge of the right rear fender.  There is nothing
broken off and is barely visible, so I had just not worried about it.
However, I imagine it could be superglued and/or some sort of backing
could be put on it.

Otherwise, is has some normal scuffs on it, but it is quite
presentable and serviceable.

I do have about half of the mounting bolts/rubber washers.

If you are interested, let me know what you think would be a fair
price for it.  I could send pics if you'd like.  I would charge only
actual costs for packing and shipping.

Regards,

Skip Dunn
New Mexico

Just a quick update to my saga: After a woman promised she'd make my case a
priority and that I would receive a call back on Thursday I never heard
anything. I called again today and they, again, took my number and promised a
return call today (Friday).



--- In NEVs@yahoogroups.com, John <NakedJohn_2000@...> wrote:
>
> Generally, if you make purchases with Paypal, these type situations are
covered.  I had a similar situation several months ago and they worked with me
to resolve the issue.    I hope this goes well for you, it's good information
about this merchant!
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Chris <cknape1@...>
> To: NEVs@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 3:50:16 PM
> Subject: [NEVs] Electric Cart Warehouse
>
>  
> Anyone ever dealt with Electric Cart Warehouse? http://www.electric
cartwarehouse. com/
>
> I ordered a GEM E825 fender from them a few weeks ago and was told I would get
a "like new" blue fender with the nuts and bolts.
>
> I was sent a yellow, heavy worn and patched fender with no mounting kit. I was
dealing with a man name Brian Coles. Over the past week I have called and talked
to him a couple of times.
>
> At one point he said to ship the part back, but I said I wanted them to cover
that (obviously substantial) cost since they clearly sent the wrong part. He
said he would need to talk to his boss. Three or four phone calls later and I
still don't have resolution. He has never returned any of my calls.
>
> Needless to say, I'm not a happy customer at this point. I called today and
was again told they were going to make my situation a priority. Brian, however,
is out until Saturday. I'll let you know how this goes.
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Al Lumas

To: NEVs@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 4:48 PM

Subject: Re: [NEVs] LSV purchased in Oklahoma - insurance - and options for radio

 

Jane,
What do you mean your insurance company would not insure it sitting in your garage?
Where do they want it to sit?

Is it street legal?
The Star 48-L-22F datasheet says its top speed is only 18mph.  As I recall, to meet the Federal NEV regulations it must have a top speed of at least 20mph (but no more than 25mph).

What do you mean you haven't titled it in Oklahoma? It is the registration (for use on public roads) that matters. 
Is it registered in another State?  If not, and you are not going to register it for (legal) use on public roads, then in the eye of any insurance company it is nothing more than a golf cart or off road ATV. 

As for driving an ATV on the streets in your neighborhood, how deep are your pockets if you are in, or you and your dog cause, an accident?  Do you have enough extra money in the bank so you can "self - insure"?

Al
2002 GEM E825 short bed utility...

At 01:24 PM 12/3/2009, Jane Neely wrote:

Purchased  Star 48-L-22F  in November  09 - a lift type http://www.jhglobalinc.com/datasheets/datasheet-lifted.pdf .
My small Okla./TX , GHS,  based insurance co. would not insure it sitting in my garage?  Other companies - Progressive/Shelter - wanted me to put my car with them.   St. Farm  cost  $177 for 6 months - 50/100/50, 1K medical, lK comprehensive and $250 deductible.   Placing gas vehicle w/St. Farm will cost $200 more/year and they can't insure home cause of roof claim. ATV like ins. $130-156- 6 mos.  Current insurer great on claims w/damage from negligent roofer.  have not titled in Okla. - will cost almost $300, but delay will incur penalties.  I drive in 60's type country neighborhood and not gotten stopped exercising my Dalmatian - would you tag this baby? - what about any resale?    Any ideas on getting odometer/speedometer? what about radio?   Thanks - jane in Oklahoma

 

Purchased  Star 48-L-22F  in November  09 - a lift type http://www.jhglobalinc.com/datasheets/datasheet-lifted.pdf .
My small Okla./TX , GHS,  based insurance co. would not insure it sitting in my garage?  Other companies - Progressive/Shelter - wanted me to put my car with them.   St. Farm  cost  $177 for 6 months - 50/100/50, 1K medical, lK comprehensive and $250 deductible.   Placing gas vehicle w/St. Farm will cost $200 more/year and they can't insure home cause of roof claim. ATV like ins. $130-156- 6 mos.  Current insurer great on claims w/damage from negligent roofer.  have not titled in Okla. - will cost almost $300, but delay will incur penalties.  I drive in 60's type country neighborhood and not gotten stopped exercising my Dalmatian - would you tag this baby? - what about any resale?    Any ideas on getting odometer/speedometer? what about radio?   Thanks - jane in Oklahoma

Anyone ever dealt with Electric Cart Warehouse?
http://www.electriccartwarehouse.com/

I ordered a GEM E825 fender from them a few weeks ago and was told I would get a
"like new" blue fender with the nuts and bolts.

I was sent a yellow, heavy worn and patched fender with no mounting kit. I was
dealing with a man name Brian Coles. Over the past week I have called and talked
to him a couple of times.

At one point he said to ship the part back, but I said I wanted them to cover
that (obviously substantial) cost since they clearly sent the wrong part. He
said he would need to talk to his boss. Three or four phone calls later and I
still don't have resolution. He has never returned any of my calls.

Needless to say, I'm not a happy customer at this point. I called today and was
again told they were going to make my situation a priority. Brian, however, is
out until Saturday. I'll let you know how this goes.

Lawrence, our thoughts are with you too.  Skip Dunn

http://www.microcar.org/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=106&topic_id=1207&mes\
g_id=1207&page=

These are as small as they come.  Maybe smaller than a Fiat 500.  Perfect for a
small system.  Easy to work on. Somewhat durable.  They are in Oklahoma.  Just
passing this along.  Lawrence Rhodes....

For those of you staying in contact with my nephew, Nathan, he has had a bad
accident in Oregon. He was hit by a car sometime after 4:30 or 5:00 p.m. on
Friday night in Oregon. No details are known at this time except he is in
critical condition and has been airlifted to a hospital in Portland. His mother
and brother are on their way there. Please say a prayer for him.

http://www.wednesdaynightdrinkingclub.com/blogs/greasyrider/index.php/2009/11/he\
y-baby-what-winks-has-3100-watts-between-its-legs/

----- Original Message -----

From: Ricky Suiter

To: NEVs@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 1:12 PM

Subject: Re: [NEVs] batteries in cold weather

Unfortunately that's pretty standard for cold weather. If you have a garage, even if it's not heated, helps a lot. If they are flooded batteries you can try unplugging and plugging it back in an hour before you plan on driving, that should help warm them up some. Batteries are a fairly good size thermal mass. If you really want to fix this situation I would recommend finding a way to insulate your batteries, but don't seal them up since they need ventilation to avoid hydrogen build up. You can also heat them with water bed heating sheets, or there are battery heating mats you can buy. I think GEM should offer some sort of cold climate kit personally. Rick --- On Mon, 11/23/09, Victoria <vickialvarez2003@...> wrote: From: Victoria <vickialvarez2003@...> Subject: [NEVs] batteries in cold weather To: NEVs@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 3:08 PM   does cold weather cause batteries to underperform? This is the first time we've used our 01 GEM in the winter and I"m having trouble getting the batteries to charge to 100%. With an overnight plug-in they only get to 80% and I'm only able to go between 5-7 miles before they quit on me. Any thoughts?

does cold weather cause batteries to underperform?  This is the first time we've
used our 01 GEM in the winter and I"m having trouble getting the batteries to
charge to 100%.  With an overnight plug-in they only get to 80% and I'm only
able to go between 5-7 miles before they quit on me.  Any thoughts?