I don't recall taking pictures of the samy transmission being mated to the VW
engine. What specifically to you want to see? I am sure that the yahoo diesel
samurai forum will have what you want. Or you can visit the ACME web site.
Good luck.

--- In Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com, "Amit" <blueoyster2001@...> wrote:
>
> hi
>
> could u post some pics of how you went about with the
> Transmission from my Suzuki Samurai. 5 speed. mated through ACME adaptor.
>
> will prob help me with my project
>
> cheers
>
> --- In Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com, "Philippe" <oneiraca2004@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dave,
> > The engine is a rebuilt VW 1.9 TD. Code AAZ. A 1993 turbo diesel without
computer. I got the fuel injection pump modified to push more fuel and a larger
turbo. I believe that this engine produced 145 lbs-ft @2000 rpm.
> >
> > Transmission came from my Suzuki Samurai. 5 speed. mated through ACME
adaptor.
> >
>

hi

could u post some pics of how you went about with the
Transmission from my Suzuki Samurai. 5 speed. mated through ACME adaptor.

will prob help me with my project

cheers

--- In Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com, "Philippe" <oneiraca2004@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
> The engine is a rebuilt VW 1.9 TD. Code AAZ. A 1993 turbo diesel without
computer. I got the fuel injection pump modified to push more fuel and a larger
turbo. I believe that this engine produced 145 lbs-ft @2000 rpm.
>
> Transmission came from my Suzuki Samurai. 5 speed. mated through ACME adaptor.
>

Yes, what matters is not the car, it's the process!
Philippe
--- In Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com, eskoa@... wrote:
>
>
>
> I know all about hiatus, I built my Lotus 7 clone over a period of 20 years.
>
> I don't hold the record, I have a friend who bought a Caterham kit new in 1979
>
> he is still working on it, occasionally.
>
> Esko
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Philippe" <oneiraca2004@...>
> To: "Locost Theory" <Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 7:36:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [Locost_Theory] Re: New turbo diesel locost
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for your good words. In our hobby a long hiatus is not uncommon. Good
luck in your build. I have posted more pictures on the link indicated
previously.
>
> --- In Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com , "Anthony" <antmauriz@> wrote:
> >
> > I remember when this car was topic of conversation. Nice to see it is
finished. I, however am still working on mine after a 2 year hiatus. More pics
would be great. I am always interested to see how other people built their car.
> >
> > anthony
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com , "Philippe" <oneiraca2004@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Group,
> > > I have now completed my build which departs from the conventional book
locost in several ways: all welded steel construction (except the nose cone),
side fairing, exhaust in the transmission tunnel, turbo diesel with separate
turbo lubricating system.
> > >
> > > Enjoy
> > >
> > >
> > > http://picasaweb.google.ca/googbrown/Locost702#5341936160950843714
> > >
> > > Philippe
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I know all about hiatus, I built my Lotus 7 clone over a period of 20 years.

I don't hold the record, I have a friend who bought a Caterham kit new in 1979

he is still working on it, occasionally.

Esko


----- Original Message -----
From: "Philippe" <oneiraca2004@...>
To: "Locost Theory" <Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2009 7:36:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [Locost_Theory] Re: New turbo diesel locost








Thanks for your good words. In our hobby a long hiatus is not uncommon. Good
luck in your build. I have posted more pictures on the link indicated
previously.

--- In Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com , "Anthony" <antmauriz@...> wrote:
>
> I remember when this car was topic of conversation. Nice to see it is
finished. I, however am still working on mine after a 2 year hiatus. More pics
would be great. I am always interested to see how other people built their car.
>
> anthony
>
>
>
> --- In Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com , "Philippe" <oneiraca2004@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Group,
> > I have now completed my build which departs from the conventional book
locost in several ways: all welded steel construction (except the nose cone),
side fairing, exhaust in the transmission tunnel, turbo diesel with separate
turbo lubricating system.
> >
> > Enjoy
> >
> >
> > http://picasaweb.google.ca/googbrown/Locost702#5341936160950843714
> >
> > Philippe
> >
>




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks for your good words. In our hobby a long hiatus is not uncommon. Good
luck in your build. I have posted more pictures on the link indicated
previously.

--- In Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony" <antmauriz@...> wrote:
>
> I remember when this car was topic of conversation. Nice to see it is
finished. I, however am still working on mine after a 2 year hiatus. More pics
would be great. I am always interested to see how other people built their car.
>
> anthony
>
>
>
> --- In Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com, "Philippe" <oneiraca2004@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Group,
> > I have now completed my build which departs from the conventional book
locost in several ways: all welded steel construction (except the nose cone),
side fairing, exhaust in the transmission tunnel, turbo diesel with separate
turbo lubricating system.
> >
> > Enjoy
> >
> >
> > http://picasaweb.google.ca/googbrown/Locost702#5341936160950843714
> >
> > Philippe
> >
>

I remember when this car was topic of conversation. Nice to see it is finished.
I, however am still working on mine after a 2 year hiatus. More pics would be
great. I am always interested to see how other people built their car.

anthony



--- In Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com, "Philippe" <oneiraca2004@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Group,
> I have now completed my build which departs from the conventional book locost
in several ways: all welded steel construction (except the nose cone), side
fairing, exhaust in the transmission tunnel, turbo diesel with separate turbo
lubricating system.
>
> Enjoy
>
>
> http://picasaweb.google.ca/googbrown/Locost702#5341936160950843714
>
> Philippe
>

Hi Dave,
The engine is a rebuilt VW 1.9 TD. Code AAZ. A 1993 turbo diesel without
computer. I got the fuel injection pump modified to push more fuel and a larger
turbo. I believe that this engine produced 145 lbs-ft @2000 rpm.

Transmission came from my Suzuki Samurai. 5 speed. mated through ACME adaptor.

Thanks for you interest. Yes some of the points I argued here turned out to be
OK. The all steel (no rivets) approach that got me in so much trouble for
instance worked out. Albeit a lot of body work was necessary.

Philippe.

--- In Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com, Josh <crturboguy@...> wrote:
>
> Nope, not Phillipe. You're thinking Jack McCornack, who owns the
> Kinetic Vehicles site.
>
> Congrats Phillipe! I remember when you first started your project,
> there was a lot of doubt that you'd get it completed, especially with
> some of the non-standard methods you were using/planning on using.
>
> --JOsh
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Raymond McGill <raymcgill@...> wrote:
> > Nice. I was just looking at the Kinetic Vehicles site. That's you, right?
> >
> >
> > ******************************************
> >
> > Just because everything's changing
> >
> > Doesn't mean it's never been this way before
> >
> >        Regina Spektor - The Call (lyrics)
> >
> > ******************************************
> >
> > --- On Mon, 6/1/09, Philippe <oneiraca2004@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Philippe <oneiraca2004@...>
> > Subject: [Locost_Theory] New turbo diesel locost
> > To: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 9:32 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >      Hello Group,
> >
> > I have now completed my build which departs from the conventional book
locost in several ways: all welded steel construction (except the nose cone),
side fairing, exhaust in the transmission tunnel, turbo diesel with separate
turbo lubricating system.
> >
> >
> >
> > Enjoy
> >
> >
> >
> > http://picasaweb. google.ca/ googbrown/ Locost702# 5341936160950843 714
> >
> >
> >
> > Philippe
>

Wrong!
Kinetic Jack 's diesel is based on a Kubota. Mine is based on a 1.9 TD VW Jeta.
Not the same size of engine. Jack however gave me the idea to go diesel.

Philippe.--- In Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com, Raymond McGill <raymcgill@...>
wrote:
>
> Nice. I was just looking at the Kinetic Vehicles site. That's you, right?
>
>
> ******************************************
>
> Just because everything's changing
>
> Doesn't mean it's never been this way before
>
>         Regina Spektor - The Call (lyrics)
>
> ******************************************
>
> --- On Mon, 6/1/09, Philippe <oneiraca2004@...> wrote:
>
> From: Philippe <oneiraca2004@...>
> Subject: [Locost_Theory] New turbo diesel locost
> To: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 9:32 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>       Hello Group,
>
> I have now completed my build which departs from the conventional book locost
in several ways: all welded steel construction (except the nose cone), side
fairing, exhaust in the transmission tunnel, turbo diesel with separate turbo
lubricating system.
>
>
>
> Enjoy
>
>
>
> http://picasaweb. google.ca/ googbrown/ Locost702# 5341936160950843 714
>
>
>
> Philippe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

At 06:32 PM 01/06/2009, you wrote:
>Hello Group,
>I have now completed my build which departs from the conventional
>book locost in several ways: all welded steel construction (except
>the nose cone), side fairing, exhaust in the transmission tunnel,
>turbo diesel with separate turbo lubricating system.
>
>Enjoy
>
>
>http://picasaweb.google.ca/googbrown/Locost702#5341936160950843714
>
>Philippe

You have me curious what engine and tranny did you use?

Dave

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Fantastic, Phillipe! I look forward to seeing more!

******************************************

Just because everything's changing

Doesn't mean it's never been this way before

         Regina Spektor - The Call (lyrics)

******************************************

--- On Tue, 6/2/09, Josh <crturboguy@...> wrote:

From: Josh <crturboguy@...>
Subject: Re: [Locost_Theory] New turbo diesel locost
To: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 2, 2009, 10:04 AM
























       Nope, not Phillipe. You're thinking Jack McCornack, who owns the

Kinetic Vehicles site.



Congrats Phillipe! I remember when you first started your project,

there was a lot of doubt that you'd get it completed, especially with

some of the non-standard methods you were using/planning on using.



--JOsh



On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Raymond McGill <raymcgill@yahoo. com> wrote:

> Nice. I was just looking at the Kinetic Vehicles site. That's you, right?

>

>

> ************ ********* ********* ********* ***

>

> Just because everything's changing

>

> Doesn't mean it's never been this way before

>

>        Regina Spektor - The Call (lyrics)

>

> ************ ********* ********* ********* ***

>

> --- On Mon, 6/1/09, Philippe <oneiraca2004@ yahoo.ca> wrote:

>

> From: Philippe <oneiraca2004@ yahoo.ca>

> Subject: [Locost_Theory] New turbo diesel locost

> To: Locost_Theory@ yahoogroups. com

> Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 9:32 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>      Hello Group,

>

> I have now completed my build which departs from the conventional book locost
in several ways: all welded steel construction (except the nose cone), side
fairing, exhaust in the transmission tunnel, turbo diesel with separate turbo
lubricating system.

>

>

>

> Enjoy

>

>

>

> http://picasaweb. google.ca/ googbrown/ Locost702# 5341936160950843 714

>

>

>

> Philippe




























[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Nope, not Phillipe. You're thinking Jack McCornack, who owns the
Kinetic Vehicles site.

Congrats Phillipe! I remember when you first started your project,
there was a lot of doubt that you'd get it completed, especially with
some of the non-standard methods you were using/planning on using.

--JOsh

On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Raymond McGill <raymcgill@...> wrote:
> Nice. I was just looking at the Kinetic Vehicles site. That's you, right?
>
>
> ******************************************
>
> Just because everything's changing
>
> Doesn't mean it's never been this way before
>
>        Regina Spektor - The Call (lyrics)
>
> ******************************************
>
> --- On Mon, 6/1/09, Philippe <oneiraca2004@...> wrote:
>
> From: Philippe <oneiraca2004@...>
> Subject: [Locost_Theory] New turbo diesel locost
> To: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 9:32 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>      Hello Group,
>
> I have now completed my build which departs from the conventional book locost
in several ways: all welded steel construction (except the nose cone), side
fairing, exhaust in the transmission tunnel, turbo diesel with separate turbo
lubricating system.
>
>
>
> Enjoy
>
>
>
> http://picasaweb. google.ca/ googbrown/ Locost702# 5341936160950843 714
>
>
>
> Philippe

Nice. I was just looking at the Kinetic Vehicles site. That's you, right?


******************************************

Just because everything's changing

Doesn't mean it's never been this way before

         Regina Spektor - The Call (lyrics)

******************************************

--- On Mon, 6/1/09, Philippe <oneiraca2004@...> wrote:

From: Philippe <oneiraca2004@...>
Subject: [Locost_Theory] New turbo diesel locost
To: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 9:32 PM

















       Hello Group,

I have now completed my build which departs from the conventional book locost in
several ways: all welded steel construction (except the nose cone), side
fairing, exhaust in the transmission tunnel, turbo diesel with separate turbo
lubricating system.



Enjoy



http://picasaweb. google.ca/ googbrown/ Locost702# 5341936160950843 714



Philippe































[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hello Group,
I have now completed my build which departs from the conventional book locost in
several ways: all welded steel construction (except the nose cone), side
fairing, exhaust in the transmission tunnel, turbo diesel with separate turbo
lubricating system.

Enjoy


http://picasaweb.google.ca/googbrown/Locost702#5341936160950843714

Philippe

Thanks for the heads up Pete, I copied the wrong address. Here is the correct
address for my website:

http://dmr-architect.com/~locouki/

There is a beautiful Jaguar roadster replica on 1st site. Look at
the link to "Challenger" at the bottom of the home page. That car
is one of only two in the USA.

--- In Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Ogden" <ogdenp@...> wrote:
>
> Try http://dmr-architect.com/~locouki/. That should work.
>
>  - Peter Ogden
> http://www.locost7.info
> Moderator Locost_Theory
>
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of olrowdy_01
> Sent: Wednesday, 20 May 2009 3:25 AM
> To: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Locost_Theory] Locouki website has moved.
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> My website "Locost + Suzuki = Locouki" has moved to:
>
> ftp://dmr-architect.com/
>
> There's lots of new articles since the last time I posted to this forum.
> Enjoy!
>

Try http://dmr-architect.com/~locouki/. That should work.

  - Peter Ogden
http://www.locost7.info
Moderator Locost_Theory

-----Original Message-----
From: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of olrowdy_01
Sent: Wednesday, 20 May 2009 3:25 AM
To: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Locost_Theory] Locouki website has moved.

Hi Everyone,

My website "Locost + Suzuki = Locouki" has moved to:

ftp://dmr-architect.com/

There's lots of new articles since the last time I posted to this forum.
Enjoy!



------------------------------------

(mailto:Locost_Theory-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com)

Yahoo! Groups Links

Kind of pointless to use that site if we can't get in.

Esko



From: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of olrowdy_01
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:25 PM
To: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Locost_Theory] Locouki website has moved.








Hi Everyone,

My website "Locost + Suzuki = Locouki" has moved to:

ftp://dmr-architect.com/

There's lots of new articles since the last time I posted to this forum.
Enjoy!





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Everyone,

My website "Locost + Suzuki = Locouki" has moved to:

ftp://dmr-architect.com/

There's lots of new articles since the last time I posted to this forum.  Enjoy!

The Series 1 Europa (Type 46) was a bonded-on-frame Renault engined car
The S2, non-federal (Type 54) was a bolted-on frame Renault engined car.
The S2 federal (Type 65) was a S2 non-federal with emmissions stuff and 2"
higher nose height.
The Twin Cam (Type 74) was a bolted-on frame Lotus Twin Cam engined car with
Strombergs.

S2 federals had slightly larger engines (0.1L off the top of my head) with a
little more power and a little more torque.  S2 non-federals, like mine, have a
federal recall to flip the front LCAs to raise the nose up 2" lol.
All Twinks and JPS had a stromberg carb'd Twin Cam.

Lotus did make DCOE carb'd Twin Cam engines, but none were in factory delivered
road going Europas.  The DCOE and Stromberg engines were identical below the
head gasket, but each had a unique head as the intake manifold is cast with the
head as one piece.

- Mark R

--- In Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com, "Esko Ala-Nisula" <eskoa@...> wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> IRRC, the Europa had two versions of the Lotus twin cam engine. The Weber
> carburated engine and the federal version with Stromberg carbs. There was
> also a Renault engined model.
>
> Esko
>
>
>
> From: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Peter Meline
> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:38 AM
> To: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com; locost@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Locost_Theory] lotus 47
>
>
>
> according to wikipeia the lotus 47 ("europa") came with a
> "lotus/ford/cosworth" engine
>
> does anybody know
>
> was this the Lotus Twin Cam or the BDA ?
>
> Peter Meline
> adelaide hills development services
> mobile 0448 395 299
> fax 08 8398 3372
> e mail meline@... <mailto:meline%40westnet.com.au>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Peter:
Funny you should ask because I raced a Lotus 23 in England in the early 70s with
a BRM Lotus Twin Cam. It was a killer engine before the Cosworth 16 valve 1600
engine arrived. It used a beefed up 116E/122E block and a billet crankshaft that
was a work of art to look at. Also super strong rods, big valves and could
safely rev to 9K RPM although over the power peak af about 7500.
I also remembered that the Lotus 47 was the racing version of the Europa. The
Europa production cars used the Renault and Twin Cam standard engines. The 47
had a much strengthened chassis, lighter bodywork and highly modified Twin Cam
engines etc. etc. and was never a road car. My Lotus books are also packed and I
do not remember what the 26R was.
Hope this helps, Jack

John Handy
handyjc1@...
The older I become, the faster I was.


----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Meline
To: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 3/21/2009 8:07:04 PM
Subject: RE: [Locost_Theory] lotus 47


jack

i was also interested in the engine in the lotus 26R-described as a
lotus/brm twin cam
seems to have been a beefed up lotus twin cam


do you know ?

Peter Meline
adelaide hills development services
mobile 0448 395 299
fax 08 8398 3372
e mail meline@...


_____

From: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of John Handy
Sent: Sunday, 22 March 2009 12:11 PM
To: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Locost_Theory] lotus 47

The Cosworth BDA (Belt Drive A Type) used a modified production Ford block.
I will have to look in my Cosworth book to find the exact type but my book
is packed due to a recent move. By modified I mean the bottom end was
strengthened and it weighed several pounds more than the "regular"
production blocks. Ford had a big interest in Cosworthat that time. BTW the
Lotus Twin Cam blocks were also stronger than the production blocks.
Jack

John Handy
handyjc1@earthlink. <mailto:handyjc1%40earthlink.net> net
The older I become, the faster I was.

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Meline
To: Locost_Theory@ <mailto:Locost_Theory%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Sent: 3/21/2009 7:15:12 PM
Subject: RE: [Locost_Theory] lotus 47

john,

do you know what block the BDA used?

Peter Meline
adelaide hills development services
mobile 0448 395 299
fax 08 8398 3372
e mail meline@westnet. <mailto:meline%40westnet.com.au> com.au

_____

From: Locost_Theory@ <mailto:Locost_Theory%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com [mailto:Locost_Theory@
<mailto:Locost_Theory%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of John Handy
Sent: Sunday, 22 March 2009 10:27 AM
To: Locost_Theory@ <mailto:Locost_Theory%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Locost_Theory] lotus 47

The early Lotus 47 had a Renault engine and transaxle. Tke later ones were
available with the 1600 cc Lotus Twin Cam. Many were modified by Cosworth
but they were not "Cosworth" engines. They did use the Ford 116E or 122E
block.
Jack

John Handy
handyjc1@earthlink. <mailto:handyjc1%40earthlink.net> net
The older I become, the faster I was.

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Meline
To: Locost_Theory@ <mailto:Locost_Theory%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com;locost@yahoogroups. <mailto:locost%40yahoogroups.com> com
Sent: 3/21/2009 6:38:01 AM
Subject: [Locost_Theory] lotus 47

according to wikipeia the lotus 47 ("europa") came with a
"lotus/ford/cosworth" engine

does anybody know

was this the Lotus Twin Cam or the BDA ?

Peter Meline
adelaide hills development services
mobile 0448 395 299
fax 08 8398 3372
e mail meline@westnet. <mailto:meline%40westnet.com.au> com.au

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In a message dated 3/23/2009 5:15:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
eskoa@... writes:

Peter,

IRRC, the Europa had two versions of the Lotus twin cam  engine. The Weber
carburated engine and the federal version with Stromberg  carbs. There was
also a Renault engined  model.

Esko


     A Lotus 47 with the Renault engine is being raced  in CVAR races when
ever its running.  Seems to have lots of trouble with  the carburation.

Dick  McBride
Cypress, TX

**************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store?  Make dinner for $10 or
less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)


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Peter,

IRRC, the Europa had two versions of the Lotus twin cam engine. The Weber
carburated engine and the federal version with Stromberg carbs. There was
also a Renault engined model.

Esko



From: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Peter Meline
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:38 AM
To: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com; locost@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Locost_Theory] lotus 47



according to wikipeia the lotus 47 ("europa") came with a
"lotus/ford/cosworth" engine

does anybody know

was this the Lotus Twin Cam or the BDA ?

Peter Meline
adelaide hills development services
mobile 0448 395 299
fax 08 8398 3372
e mail meline@... <mailto:meline%40westnet.com.au>


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jack

i was also interested in the engine in the lotus 26R-described as a
lotus/brm twin cam
seems to have been a beefed up lotus twin cam


do you know ?

Peter Meline
adelaide hills development services
mobile 0448 395 299
fax 08 8398 3372
e mail meline@...


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From: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of John Handy
Sent: Sunday, 22 March 2009 12:11 PM
To: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Locost_Theory] lotus 47



The Cosworth BDA (Belt Drive A Type) used a modified production Ford block.
I will have to look in my Cosworth book to find the exact type but my book
is packed due to a recent move. By modified I mean the bottom end was
strengthened and it weighed several pounds more than the "regular"
production blocks. Ford had a big interest in Cosworthat that time. BTW the
Lotus Twin Cam blocks were also stronger than the production blocks.
Jack

John Handy
handyjc1@earthlink. <mailto:handyjc1%40earthlink.net> net
The older I become, the faster I was.

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Meline
To: Locost_Theory@ <mailto:Locost_Theory%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Sent: 3/21/2009 7:15:12 PM
Subject: RE: [Locost_Theory] lotus 47

john,

do you know what block the BDA used?

Peter Meline
adelaide hills development services
mobile 0448 395 299
fax 08 8398 3372
e mail meline@westnet. <mailto:meline%40westnet.com.au> com.au

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From: Locost_Theory@ <mailto:Locost_Theory%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com [mailto:Locost_Theory@
<mailto:Locost_Theory%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of John Handy
Sent: Sunday, 22 March 2009 10:27 AM
To: Locost_Theory@ <mailto:Locost_Theory%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Locost_Theory] lotus 47

The early Lotus 47 had a Renault engine and transaxle. Tke later ones were
available with the 1600 cc Lotus Twin Cam. Many were modified by Cosworth
but they were not "Cosworth" engines. They did use the Ford 116E or 122E
block.
Jack

John Handy
handyjc1@earthlink. <mailto:handyjc1%40earthlink.net> net
The older I become, the faster I was.

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Meline
To: Locost_Theory@ <mailto:Locost_Theory%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com;locost@yahoogroups. <mailto:locost%40yahoogroups.com> com
Sent: 3/21/2009 6:38:01 AM
Subject: [Locost_Theory] lotus 47

according to wikipeia the lotus 47 ("europa") came with a
"lotus/ford/cosworth" engine

does anybody know

was this the Lotus Twin Cam or the BDA ?

Peter Meline
adelaide hills development services
mobile 0448 395 299
fax 08 8398 3372
e mail meline@westnet. <mailto:meline%40westnet.com.au> com.au

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The Cosworth BDA (Belt Drive A Type) used a modified production Ford block. I
will have to look in my Cosworth book to find the exact type but my book is
packed due to a recent move. By modified I mean the bottom end was strengthened
and it weighed several  pounds more than the "regular" production blocks. Ford
had a big interest in Cosworthat that time. BTW the Lotus Twin Cam blocks were
also stronger than the production blocks.
Jack

John Handy
handyjc1@...
The older I become, the faster I was.


----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Meline
To: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 3/21/2009 7:15:12 PM
Subject: RE: [Locost_Theory] lotus 47


john,

do you know what block the BDA used?

Peter Meline
adelaide hills development services
mobile 0448 395 299
fax 08 8398 3372
e mail meline@...


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From: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of John Handy
Sent: Sunday, 22 March 2009 10:27 AM
To: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Locost_Theory] lotus 47

The early Lotus 47 had a Renault engine and transaxle. Tke later ones were
available with the 1600 cc Lotus Twin Cam. Many were modified by Cosworth
but they were not "Cosworth" engines. They did use the Ford 116E or 122E
block.
Jack

John Handy
handyjc1@earthlink. <mailto:handyjc1%40earthlink.net> net
The older I become, the faster I was.

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Meline
To: Locost_Theory@ <mailto:Locost_Theory%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com;locost@yahoogroups. <mailto:locost%40yahoogroups.com> com
Sent: 3/21/2009 6:38:01 AM
Subject: [Locost_Theory] lotus 47

according to wikipeia the lotus 47 ("europa") came with a
"lotus/ford/cosworth" engine

does anybody know

was this the Lotus Twin Cam or the BDA ?

Peter Meline
adelaide hills development services
mobile 0448 395 299
fax 08 8398 3372
e mail meline@westnet. <mailto:meline%40westnet.com.au> com.au

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john,

do you know what block the BDA used?

Peter Meline
adelaide hills development services
mobile 0448 395 299
fax 08 8398 3372
e mail meline@...


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From: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of John Handy
Sent: Sunday, 22 March 2009 10:27 AM
To: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Locost_Theory] lotus 47



The early Lotus 47 had a Renault engine and transaxle. Tke later ones were
available with the 1600 cc Lotus Twin Cam. Many were modified by Cosworth
but they were not "Cosworth" engines. They did use the Ford 116E or 122E
block.
Jack

John Handy
handyjc1@earthlink. <mailto:handyjc1%40earthlink.net> net
The older I become, the faster I was.

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Meline
To: Locost_Theory@ <mailto:Locost_Theory%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com;locost@yahoogroups. <mailto:locost%40yahoogroups.com> com
Sent: 3/21/2009 6:38:01 AM
Subject: [Locost_Theory] lotus 47

according to wikipeia the lotus 47 ("europa") came with a
"lotus/ford/cosworth" engine

does anybody know

was this the Lotus Twin Cam or the BDA ?

Peter Meline
adelaide hills development services
mobile 0448 395 299
fax 08 8398 3372
e mail meline@westnet. <mailto:meline%40westnet.com.au> com.au

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The early Lotus 47 had a Renault engine and transaxle. Tke later ones were
available with the 1600 cc Lotus Twin Cam. Many were modified by Cosworth but
they were not "Cosworth" engines. They did use the Ford 116E or 122E block.
Jack

John Handy
handyjc1@...
The older I become, the faster I was.


----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Meline
To: Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com;locost@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 3/21/2009 6:38:01 AM
Subject: [Locost_Theory] lotus 47


according to wikipeia the lotus 47 ("europa") came with a
"lotus/ford/cosworth" engine

does anybody know

was this the Lotus Twin Cam or the BDA ?

Peter Meline
adelaide hills development services
mobile 0448 395 299
fax 08 8398 3372
e mail meline@...


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according to wikipeia the lotus 47 ("europa") came with a
"lotus/ford/cosworth" engine

does anybody know

was this the Lotus Twin Cam or the BDA ?




Peter Meline
adelaide hills development services
mobile 0448 395 299
fax 08 8398 3372
e mail meline@...



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Thank you for the 2-fer on my questions, Del.  I did check out the Susprog3D
website and the program does look promising.  In the mean time, I purchased my
donor car, a 1994 Mustang, and I'm doing a reality check with a vendor regarding
conversion of the front strut suspension to SLA design, which this vendor has
been doing for years, but within the envelope of the full Mustang unit
construction.

For the moment thoughts of using the Thunderbird IRS have been abandoned, but
not completely dismissed since chassis revisions to accomodate my donor vehicle
have not been finalized.  Through members on LocostUSA.com, I have learned there
are lighter and stronger versions of the Thunderbird IRS available on Lincolns
and Ford Explorers, which I pass along for others considering using T-Bird
components.

Also, Ford Racing (www.fordracing.com) has several high tech, light weight IRS
components for the 8.8" rear end available for "kit cars" as they describe it
(think Cobra replicas) on page 170 of their current catalog.  For my application
they would be total overkill mechanically and financially, but I pass it on for
interested parties contemplating use of very high horsepower engines.

Cheers,

Lonnie


--- In Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com, "Delmar Long" <del@...> wrote:
>
>
>   Two for one. I use and love Susprog3D. It covers most popular
> suspensions. There is a tremendous amount of information in the help
> sections. You can download the demo and try it out.
>
> I have no sway bars on my "book chassis" Locost, and it works fine.
>
> IMO: Sway bars are there to provide suspension tuning so you can balance
> the front and rear susension. I have used SusProg3D to get the wheel
> rates as close as possible,without sway bars, and then I use the rear
> watts link to adjust the Roll Center and therefore the F/R balance.
> Works good for me. The car has a couple of SCCA National Championships
> and several 2nds.
>
> I think the TBird parts are good, but a bit heavy.
>
> Del Long
>
>

I don't have a stock book file. I can send you an image of my race  car,  but
it won't be very useful with the Demo program. As I remember it  the Demo
locks the inboard (or upright, I can't remember  which) suspension points so
loading a different vehicle in there can be  VERY misleading. Your much better
off
to just use the Demo to learn how the  program works. The HELP files are an
education in themselves.
Del Long

  message dated 3/12/2009 4:58:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  wragie@...
writes:




Del

Do you have a stock Locost susprog file you'd share with the  great
unwashed masses? ;-]
Thats an interesting program but it would be  nice to have a base file
to work with that
was familiar ie the stock  setup to play with.

Dave

At 05:46 PM 09/03/2009, you  wrote:

> Two for one. I use and love Susprog3D. It covers most  popular
>suspensions. There is a tremendous amount of information in the  help
>sections. You can download the demo and try it  out.
>
>I have no sway bars on my "book chassis" Locost, and it  works fine.
>
>IMO: Sway bars are there to provide suspension  tuning so you can balance
>the front and rear susension. I have used  SusProg3D to get the wheel
>rates as close as possible,without sway  bars, and then I use the rear
>watts link to adjust the Roll Center and  therefore the F/R balance.
>Works good for me. The car has a couple of  SCCA National Championships
>and several 2nds.
>
>I think  the TBird parts are good, but a bit heavy.
>
>Del  Long
>
>
>--- In _Locost_Theory@Locost_TheorLoc_
(mailto:Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com) ,  "c20_sailor" <c20_sailor@c20>
>wrote:
> >
>  > Looking at current race cars it's obvious that suspension design  has
> > changed greatly since the Lotus 7 and Super 7 days. However,  I'm
> > wondering why so few of the Locost builds include anti-roll  bars when
> > they once were part of just about every similar  suspension design?
> >
> > Clearly, there are a lot of  technically informed builders creating
> > these Locosts, so I'm  going to assume there is a good reason for this.
> > I'm just  wondering why they are not necessary? Is it the low center of
> >  gravity on a Locost or something else?
> >
> >  Cheers,
> >
> > Lonnie
> >
> >  (cross-posted to NA Locost on Yahoo and LocosUSA forums)
>  >
>
>
>
>
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Del

Do you have a stock Locost susprog file you'd share with the great
unwashed masses? ;-]
Thats an interesting program but it would be nice to have a base file
to work with that
was familiar ie the stock setup to play with.

Dave


At 05:46 PM 09/03/2009, you wrote:

>   Two for one. I use and love Susprog3D. It covers most popular
>suspensions. There is a tremendous amount of information in the help
>sections. You can download the demo and try it out.
>
>I have no sway bars on my "book chassis" Locost, and it works fine.
>
>IMO: Sway bars are there to provide suspension tuning so you can balance
>the front and rear susension. I have used SusProg3D to get the wheel
>rates as close as possible,without sway bars, and then I use the rear
>watts link to adjust the Roll Center and therefore the F/R balance.
>Works good for me. The car has a couple of SCCA National Championships
>and several 2nds.
>
>I think the TBird parts are good, but a bit heavy.
>
>Del Long
>
>
>--- In Locost_Theory@yahoogroups.com, "c20_sailor" <c20_sailor@...>
>wrote:
> >
> > Looking at current race cars it's obvious that suspension design has
> > changed greatly since the Lotus 7 and Super 7 days. However, I'm
> > wondering why so few of the Locost builds include anti-roll bars when
> > they once were part of just about every similar suspension design?
> >
> > Clearly, there are a lot of technically informed builders creating
> > these Locosts, so I'm going to assume there is a good reason for this.
> > I'm just wondering why they are not necessary? Is it the low center of
> > gravity on a Locost or something else?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Lonnie
> >
> > (cross-posted to NA Locost on Yahoo and LocosUSA forums)
> >
>
>
>
>
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