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#2248 From: "Todd" <conceptzrqt@...>
Date: Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:59 pm
Subject: Guess whats new,
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Ok All,


Need to tell you some thing.
I have put the trikes up for now. I am going to get into all of my stuff and
move some along out of my way. I made an agreement with my wife. We are looking
for some land that we can afford – getting this place ready to get rid of – and
hoping to accomplish this by next year.
Also. . . she let me get another something that I had to get rid of a long time
ago.

I am now a proud owner of a 1969 VW Karmann Ghia.
I had to get rid of my other 69 Ghia shortly after we got married. To me it is
the next best thing to a 356 Speedster.

So now I have my Ghia back. She also made me agree to keep working on my trikes.
I got a storage unit and have started to move everything into it. It will give
me some time to go through my stuff and start getting rid of what I can….

So now you know where I have been and what is going on. I am not giving up on
the trikes…NOT AT ALL…I am just putting life in front of the trikes.


http://www.youtube.com/user/CONCEPTZRQT

http://rides.webshots.com/album/573415113KrKbfG?start=12


SeeYa!
Todd

#2247 From: "BOB E" <bobevans@...>
Date: Sun Oct 4, 2009 5:38 pm
Subject: 3-wheelers...
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Here's another way to look at 3-wheeler construction. Check it out if you get
the chance.

  www.puddlejumpercars.com

Bob Evans

#2246 From: "ericwolfsbane" <lokisgodhi@...>
Date: Fri Sep 4, 2009 7:17 pm
Subject: Interesting concept car, would lend itself to three wheeler
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[url]http://www.ohgizmo.com/2009/08/04/is-the-halcyon-concept-car-the-future[/ur\
l]

I like the idea of the porous aluminum to lighten the vehicle yet still lending
strength in a collision.

#2245 From: "ericwolfsbane" <lokisgodhi@...>
Date: Fri Sep 4, 2009 7:09 pm
Subject: Honda CBR900rr mil in go-kart
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[url]http://www.ohgizmo.com/2009/08/14/go-kart-pr0n-great-drifts-shakes-hand-wit\
h-death-daily[/url]

This might be twice the fun with only one wheel in the back.

#2244 From: "ericwolfsbane" <lokisgodhi@...>
Date: Fri Sep 4, 2009 7:06 pm
Subject: If only you could drive it from the sidecar
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#2243 From: "atomictrike" <james@...>
Date: Wed Sep 2, 2009 4:20 am
Subject: Re: pics of my trike design
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The trike has traditional automotive steering geometry, it will want to lean to
the outside of a turn. I have designed an anti-roll bar into the suspension to
help keep the body lean to a minimum.

Thanks for the question.

James


--- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "kb6okh" <yahoo@...> wrote:
>
> Question ...
>
> Will you have steering geometry that cants the body in the direction of turn ?
Or, will your trike lean away from corners ???
>
>
> --- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "atomictrike" <james@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Todd (and all)
> >
> > I added a couple pictures my trike design. I hope you like it!
> >
> > (in the Atomic Trike folder of Photos)
> >
> > James
> >
>

#2242 From: "kb6okh" <yahoo@...>
Date: Wed Sep 2, 2009 2:12 am
Subject: Re: pics of my trike design
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Question ...

Will you have steering geometry that cants the body in the direction of turn ? 
Or, will your trike lean away from corners ???


--- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "atomictrike" <james@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Todd (and all)
>
> I added a couple pictures my trike design. I hope you like it!
>
> (in the Atomic Trike folder of Photos)
>
> James
>

#2241 From: "kb6okh" <yahoo@...>
Date: Wed Sep 2, 2009 2:00 am
Subject: Re: pics of my trike design
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Thanks !

--- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "atomictrike" <james@...> wrote:
>
> I just added another picture that is easier to see the side vents, I hope this
helps!
>
> James
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "kb6okh" <yahoo@> wrote:
> > >
> > > where is the engine ?
> > >
> > > cooling air appears to enter at the nose of your craft, but, profile
suggests engine is behind pilot.
> > >
> > > need to reduce nose vents and add scoops both sides behind driver.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "atomictrike" <james@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey Todd (and all)
> > > >
> > > > I added a couple pictures my trike design. I hope you like it!
> > > >
> > > > (in the Atomic Trike folder of Photos)
> > > >
> > > > James
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

#2240 From: "atomictrike" <james@...>
Date: Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:53 pm
Subject: Re: pics of my trike design
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I just added another picture that is easier to see the side vents, I hope this
helps!

James
>
>
>
>
> --- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "kb6okh" <yahoo@> wrote:
> >
> > where is the engine ?
> >
> > cooling air appears to enter at the nose of your craft, but, profile
suggests engine is behind pilot.
> >
> > need to reduce nose vents and add scoops both sides behind driver.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "atomictrike" <james@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Todd (and all)
> > >
> > > I added a couple pictures my trike design. I hope you like it!
> > >
> > > (in the Atomic Trike folder of Photos)
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> >
>

#2239 From: "atomictrike" <james@...>
Date: Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:49 pm
Subject: Re: pics of my trike design
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The engine is behind the driver. The scoops on the side will direct air to the
radiator.

Thanks for commenting!

James






--- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "kb6okh" <yahoo@...> wrote:
>
> where is the engine ?
>
> cooling air appears to enter at the nose of your craft, but, profile suggests
engine is behind pilot.
>
> need to reduce nose vents and add scoops both sides behind driver.
>
>
>
>
> --- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "atomictrike" <james@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Todd (and all)
> >
> > I added a couple pictures my trike design. I hope you like it!
> >
> > (in the Atomic Trike folder of Photos)
> >
> > James
> >
>

#2238 From: "seracetire" <seracetire@...>
Date: Sun Aug 30, 2009 5:37 pm
Subject: Re: A wrecked ZX6 for 150 bucks, or a sign from god?
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--- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "mcscrappypants" <mcscrappypants@...> wrote:
>
>  Also, I dont mean to be the black sheep, but Im looking at mounting the motor
like the T-Rex so I can have a passenger, but Im looking at keeping the basic
design, just a little stretched.  What do you folks think?  Dont stone me for
blasphemy.
>
> ZR
>

Do what trips your trigger.  I've had the debate with others on in-line seating,
or side by side seating.  In line better for aerodynamics, side by side better
for sharing the ride.

#2237 From: "kb6okh" <yahoo@...>
Date: Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:36 pm
Subject: Re: pics of my trike design
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where is the engine ?

cooling air appears to enter at the nose of your craft, but, profile suggests
engine is behind pilot.

need to reduce nose vents and add scoops both sides behind driver.




--- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "atomictrike" <james@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Todd (and all)
>
> I added a couple pictures my trike design. I hope you like it!
>
> (in the Atomic Trike folder of Photos)
>
> James
>

#2236 From: "atomictrike" <james@...>
Date: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:01 pm
Subject: pics of my trike design
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Hey Todd (and all)

I added a couple pictures my trike design. I hope you like it!

(in the Atomic Trike folder of Photos)

James

#2235 From: "stankoprowski" <stankoprowski@...>
Date: Sat Aug 22, 2009 1:27 pm
Subject: Re: 3D CAD
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If you're a student, teacher or administrator or know a student, teacher or
administrator look at
<http://www.journeyed.com/dept/Software/Engineering%20and%20CAD/284018> .

Good prices,

Stan




--- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "atomictrike" <james@...> wrote:
>
>
> SolidWorks, Solid Edge, Rhino, Alibre, Autocad, and just about anything else
will allow you to save or export as a .dxf file.
>
> Even though they may have a different file types for the 3d model in each
software, once you flatten it to a line drawing they will allow you to save or
export as a .dxf
>
> James
>
                                <snip>

#2234 From: "atomictrike" <james@...>
Date: Sat Aug 22, 2009 1:46 am
Subject: Re: 3D CAD
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SolidWorks, Solid Edge, Rhino, Alibre, Autocad, and just about anything else
will allow you to save or export as a .dxf file.

Even though they may have a different file types for the 3d model in each
software, once you flatten it to a line drawing they will allow you to save or
export as a .dxf

James


--- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "conceptzrqt" <conceptzrqt@...> wrote:
>
> There needs to be a set of parameters and then fit the software to it..being
flexable of course.
>
> Being able to save in a DXF file is a good idea. Then start building the
library.
>
>
>
>
> Seeya!
> Todd
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "revoltevp" <chad@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Mike,
> >
> > Thanks for the info.
> >
> > James mentioned that Alibre was only $99 now which is a decent price I
believe.
> >
> > Alibre
> > 1. Seems to be an underdog in the CAD industry
> >    a. Likely to make a deal for more exposure
> > 2. Doesn't seem as refined as Rhino, Autodesk Inventor or Solidworks
> > 3. Seem to be as expensive as Rhino, AutoDesk Inventor are normally ($999)
> > 4. Final renderings may not be as finished as its peer applications.
> >
> > But at $99 there is a low barrier to entry for casual CAD users and it can
share files with Solidworks/Inventor/Rhino.
> >
> > This is a tough decision.
> >
> > --- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "michael_hudspeth" <mike.hudspeth@> wrote:
> > >
> > > All,
> > >
> > > I am an industrial designer and have been using 3D CAD for decades. I
write reviews in industry magazines on the stuff. I thought I'd throw a few
ideas out there for good programs to use.
> > >
> > > Rhino is a great 3D program. Yes, you can get into it for free but it has
the limitations Todd described. Alibre has a free program that stays free. They
are very good. SketchUp is great for concept work (but it's really aimed more at
architectural design). You can do a lot with it - and many do - but to get the
most out of your models you'll want to upgrade to the pay version. CoCreate has
a free product that is good. There are other freebies out there but here are
four really good choices. Of the four, Sketchup is the easiest to learn and use.
> > >
> > > There are others that aren't free but are fairly low cost. TrueSpace by
Caligari is under $200 and it has some really interesting capabilities. Prices
generally go up from there. What program you'll want to get will depend on what
you want to do with your resulting models, your budget and how much time you
have to learn it.
> > >
> > > If you only want pretty pictures go with the free or cheap artsy programs
you find on the internet. If you want to create engineering models go with one
of the examples above.
> > >
> > > I hope that helps. If you have questions I am always open.
> > >
> > > --- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "Todd" <conceptzrqt@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey Chad,
> > > >
> > > > I love the idea (this is what I wanted to do)but I have never gone
farther than this group. If you want a good 3D/cad source you can go with Rhino,
you can get it for free and do 25 saves before you can not save any more. You
can still download and view anything but you can not make changes after the
first 25 saves. Any file you put on the net can be down loaded and viewed with
Rhino and they can change a few things here and there. It is enough with the 25
saves for most everyone and you can use it to viwe almost any other format.
> > > >
> > > > You can also go with Sketchup but I have read in forums that it is
limited with its renders as well as contours.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Let me know what I can do to help, would be gald to.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Seeya!
> > > > Todd
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

#2233 From: "conceptzrqt" <conceptzrqt@...>
Date: Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:19 pm
Subject: Re: 3D CAD
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There needs to be a set of parameters and then fit the software to it..being
flexable of course.

Being able to save in a DXF file is a good idea. Then start building the
library.




Seeya!
Todd







--- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "revoltevp" <chad@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Mike,
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> James mentioned that Alibre was only $99 now which is a decent price I
believe.
>
> Alibre
> 1. Seems to be an underdog in the CAD industry
>    a. Likely to make a deal for more exposure
> 2. Doesn't seem as refined as Rhino, Autodesk Inventor or Solidworks
> 3. Seem to be as expensive as Rhino, AutoDesk Inventor are normally ($999)
> 4. Final renderings may not be as finished as its peer applications.
>
> But at $99 there is a low barrier to entry for casual CAD users and it can
share files with Solidworks/Inventor/Rhino.
>
> This is a tough decision.
>
> --- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "michael_hudspeth" <mike.hudspeth@> wrote:
> >
> > All,
> >
> > I am an industrial designer and have been using 3D CAD for decades. I write
reviews in industry magazines on the stuff. I thought I'd throw a few ideas out
there for good programs to use.
> >
> > Rhino is a great 3D program. Yes, you can get into it for free but it has
the limitations Todd described. Alibre has a free program that stays free. They
are very good. SketchUp is great for concept work (but it's really aimed more at
architectural design). You can do a lot with it - and many do - but to get the
most out of your models you'll want to upgrade to the pay version. CoCreate has
a free product that is good. There are other freebies out there but here are
four really good choices. Of the four, Sketchup is the easiest to learn and use.
> >
> > There are others that aren't free but are fairly low cost. TrueSpace by
Caligari is under $200 and it has some really interesting capabilities. Prices
generally go up from there. What program you'll want to get will depend on what
you want to do with your resulting models, your budget and how much time you
have to learn it.
> >
> > If you only want pretty pictures go with the free or cheap artsy programs
you find on the internet. If you want to create engineering models go with one
of the examples above.
> >
> > I hope that helps. If you have questions I am always open.
> >
> > --- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "Todd" <conceptzrqt@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Chad,
> > >
> > > I love the idea (this is what I wanted to do)but I have never gone farther
than this group. If you want a good 3D/cad source you can go with Rhino, you can
get it for free and do 25 saves before you can not save any more. You can still
download and view anything but you can not make changes after the first 25
saves. Any file you put on the net can be down loaded and viewed with Rhino and
they can change a few things here and there. It is enough with the 25 saves for
most everyone and you can use it to viwe almost any other format.
> > >
> > > You can also go with Sketchup but I have read in forums that it is limited
with its renders as well as contours.
> > >
> > >
> > > Let me know what I can do to help, would be gald to.
> > >
> > >
> > > Seeya!
> > > Todd
> > >
> >
>

#2232 From: "revoltevp" <chad@...>
Date: Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:03 pm
Subject: Re: 3D CAD
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Hey Mike,

Thanks for the info.

James mentioned that Alibre was only $99 now which is a decent price I believe.

Alibre
1. Seems to be an underdog in the CAD industry
    a. Likely to make a deal for more exposure
2. Doesn't seem as refined as Rhino, Autodesk Inventor or Solidworks
3. Seem to be as expensive as Rhino, AutoDesk Inventor are normally ($999)
4. Final renderings may not be as finished as its peer applications.

But at $99 there is a low barrier to entry for casual CAD users and it can share
files with Solidworks/Inventor/Rhino.

This is a tough decision.

--- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "michael_hudspeth" <mike.hudspeth@...> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I am an industrial designer and have been using 3D CAD for decades. I write
reviews in industry magazines on the stuff. I thought I'd throw a few ideas out
there for good programs to use.
>
> Rhino is a great 3D program. Yes, you can get into it for free but it has the
limitations Todd described. Alibre has a free program that stays free. They are
very good. SketchUp is great for concept work (but it's really aimed more at
architectural design). You can do a lot with it - and many do - but to get the
most out of your models you'll want to upgrade to the pay version. CoCreate has
a free product that is good. There are other freebies out there but here are
four really good choices. Of the four, Sketchup is the easiest to learn and use.
>
> There are others that aren't free but are fairly low cost. TrueSpace by
Caligari is under $200 and it has some really interesting capabilities. Prices
generally go up from there. What program you'll want to get will depend on what
you want to do with your resulting models, your budget and how much time you
have to learn it.
>
> If you only want pretty pictures go with the free or cheap artsy programs you
find on the internet. If you want to create engineering models go with one of
the examples above.
>
> I hope that helps. If you have questions I am always open.
>
> --- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "Todd" <conceptzrqt@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Chad,
> >
> > I love the idea (this is what I wanted to do)but I have never gone farther
than this group. If you want a good 3D/cad source you can go with Rhino, you can
get it for free and do 25 saves before you can not save any more. You can still
download and view anything but you can not make changes after the first 25
saves. Any file you put on the net can be down loaded and viewed with Rhino and
they can change a few things here and there. It is enough with the 25 saves for
most everyone and you can use it to viwe almost any other format.
> >
> > You can also go with Sketchup but I have read in forums that it is limited
with its renders as well as contours.
> >
> >
> > Let me know what I can do to help, would be gald to.
> >
> >
> > Seeya!
> > Todd
> >
>

#2231 From: two-jays@...
Date: Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:09 pm
Subject: Re: Re: New Member
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Might I suggest that we limit ourselves to those programs which can be
saved to a ".dxf" file, since most of the more common programs can open
that?

Thanks,

Johnny
"If you are going to do me wrong, do it right." - Verne Gosdin

On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:42:53 -0000 "revoltevp" <chad@...>
writes:
> Hi Stan,
>
> Thanks for the link. I downloaded and installed it but it looks like
> you need to know python to use it and the info says that its not
> really ready to use yet. Its more difficult than I thought to find
> an open source CAD program.
>
> Good luck with Pro-E.
>
> --- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "stan koprowski" <stankoprowski@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Chad,
> > I ran across
>
<http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/free-cad/index.php?title=Main_Page
>
> recently. I don't know if it's easy but it seems to have the bells
> and whistles for the right price. My personal short term goal is to
> re-learn Pro-E after 12 years of retirement. Wish me luck.
> >
> > Stan
> >
> >                             <snip>
> > >
> > > I'm working on trying to figure out which CAD/CAM software
> format we should
> > > standardize on so the most people could participate.  I've been
> looking for
> > > some open source/free software but haven't found anything that's
> very easy
> > > to use.
> > >
> > > http://revoltevp.org/TheGarage/EngineeringStandards.aspx
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Any suggestions are welcome and thanks for allowing me to join
> the group.
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

#2230 From: "revoltevp" <chad@...>
Date: Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:42 pm
Subject: Re: New Member
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Hi Stan,

Thanks for the link. I downloaded and installed it but it looks like you need to
know python to use it and the info says that its not really ready to use yet.
Its more difficult than I thought to find an open source CAD program.

Good luck with Pro-E.

--- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "stan koprowski" <stankoprowski@...> wrote:
>
> Chad,
> I ran across
<http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/free-cad/index.php?title=Main_Page>
recently. I don't know if it's easy but it seems to have the bells and whistles
for the right price. My personal short term goal is to re-learn Pro-E after 12
years of retirement. Wish me luck.
>
> Stan
>
>                             <snip>
> >
> > I'm working on trying to figure out which CAD/CAM software format we should
> > standardize on so the most people could participate.  I've been looking for
> > some open source/free software but haven't found anything that's very easy
> > to use.
> >
> > http://revoltevp.org/TheGarage/EngineeringStandards.aspx
> >
> >
> >
> > Any suggestions are welcome and thanks for allowing me to join the group.
> >
>

#2229 From: "flyppc" <bnf@...>
Date: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:46 pm
Subject: CadStd??
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--- What do you think of CadStd I think it is free with a minimal pay to up
grade not sure what venfits are to the paid version.  When I looked at it I
think it has only 2D capabilities

Ben

In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "michael_hudspeth" <mike.hudspeth@...> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I am an industrial designer and have been using 3D CAD for decades. I write
reviews in industry magazines on the stuff. I thought I'd throw a few ideas out
there for good programs to use.
>
> Rhino is a great 3D program. Yes, you can get into it for free but it has the
limitations Todd described. Alibre has a free program that stays free. They are
very good. SketchUp is great for concept work (but it's really aimed more at
architectural design). You can do a lot with it - and many do - but to get the
most out of your models you'll want to upgrade to the pay version. CoCreate has
a free product that is good. There are other freebies out there but here are
four really good choices. Of the four, Sketchup is the easiest to learn and use.
>
> There are others that aren't free but are fairly low cost. TrueSpace by
Caligari is under $200 and it has some really interesting capabilities. Prices
generally go up from there. What program you'll want to get will depend on what
you want to do with your resulting models, your budget and how much time you
have to learn it.
>
> If you only want pretty pictures go with the free or cheap artsy programs you
find on the internet. If you want to create engineering models go with one of
the examples above.
>
> I hope that helps. If you have questions I am always open.
>
> --- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "Todd" <conceptzrqt@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Chad,
> >
> > I love the idea (this is what I wanted to do)but I have never gone farther
than this group. If you want a good 3D/cad source you can go with Rhino, you can
get it for free and do 25 saves before you can not save any more. You can still
download and view anything but you can not make changes after the first 25
saves. Any file you put on the net can be down loaded and viewed with Rhino and
they can change a few things here and there. It is enough with the 25 saves for
most everyone and you can use it to viwe almost any other format.
> >
> > You can also go with Sketchup but I have read in forums that it is limited
with its renders as well as contours.
> >
> >
> > Let me know what I can do to help, would be gald to.
> >
> >
> > Seeya!
> > Todd
> >
>

#2228 From: "atomictrike" <james@...>
Date: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:14 pm
Subject: Re: 3D CAD
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For what it's worth, Alibre has their standard package on sale right now for $99
bucks. www.alibre.com

James




--- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "michael_hudspeth" <mike.hudspeth@...> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I am an industrial designer and have been using 3D CAD for decades. I write
reviews in industry magazines on the stuff. I thought I'd throw a few ideas out
there for good programs to use.
>
> Rhino is a great 3D program. Yes, you can get into it for free but it has the
limitations Todd described. Alibre has a free program that stays free. They are
very good. SketchUp is great for concept work (but it's really aimed more at
architectural design). You can do a lot with it - and many do - but to get the
most out of your models you'll want to upgrade to the pay version. CoCreate has
a free product that is good. There are other freebies out there but here are
four really good choices. Of the four, Sketchup is the easiest to learn and use.
>
> There are others that aren't free but are fairly low cost. TrueSpace by
Caligari is under $200 and it has some really interesting capabilities. Prices
generally go up from there. What program you'll want to get will depend on what
you want to do with your resulting models, your budget and how much time you
have to learn it.
>
> If you only want pretty pictures go with the free or cheap artsy programs you
find on the internet. If you want to create engineering models go with one of
the examples above.
>
> I hope that helps. If you have questions I am always open.
>
> --- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "Todd" <conceptzrqt@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Chad,
> >
> > I love the idea (this is what I wanted to do)but I have never gone farther
than this group. If you want a good 3D/cad source you can go with Rhino, you can
get it for free and do 25 saves before you can not save any more. You can still
download and view anything but you can not make changes after the first 25
saves. Any file you put on the net can be down loaded and viewed with Rhino and
they can change a few things here and there. It is enough with the 25 saves for
most everyone and you can use it to viwe almost any other format.
> >
> > You can also go with Sketchup but I have read in forums that it is limited
with its renders as well as contours.
> >
> >
> > Let me know what I can do to help, would be gald to.
> >
> >
> > Seeya!
> > Todd
> >
>

#2227 From: "michael_hudspeth" <mike.hudspeth@...>
Date: Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:47 pm
Subject: Re: 3D CAD
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All,

I am an industrial designer and have been using 3D CAD for decades. I write
reviews in industry magazines on the stuff. I thought I'd throw a few ideas out
there for good programs to use.

Rhino is a great 3D program. Yes, you can get into it for free but it has the
limitations Todd described. Alibre has a free program that stays free. They are
very good. SketchUp is great for concept work (but it's really aimed more at
architectural design). You can do a lot with it - and many do - but to get the
most out of your models you'll want to upgrade to the pay version. CoCreate has
a free product that is good. There are other freebies out there but here are
four really good choices. Of the four, Sketchup is the easiest to learn and use.

There are others that aren't free but are fairly low cost. TrueSpace by Caligari
is under $200 and it has some really interesting capabilities. Prices generally
go up from there. What program you'll want to get will depend on what you want
to do with your resulting models, your budget and how much time you have to
learn it.

If you only want pretty pictures go with the free or cheap artsy programs you
find on the internet. If you want to create engineering models go with one of
the examples above.

I hope that helps. If you have questions I am always open.

--- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "Todd" <conceptzrqt@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Chad,
>
> I love the idea (this is what I wanted to do)but I have never gone farther
than this group. If you want a good 3D/cad source you can go with Rhino, you can
get it for free and do 25 saves before you can not save any more. You can still
download and view anything but you can not make changes after the first 25
saves. Any file you put on the net can be down loaded and viewed with Rhino and
they can change a few things here and there. It is enough with the 25 saves for
most everyone and you can use it to viwe almost any other format.
>
> You can also go with Sketchup but I have read in forums that it is limited
with its renders as well as contours.
>
>
> Let me know what I can do to help, would be gald to.
>
>
> Seeya!
> Todd
>

#2226 From: "stan koprowski" <stankoprowski@...>
Date: Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:36 pm
Subject: Re: New Member
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Chad,
I ran across
<http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/free-cad/index.php?title=Main_Page>
recently. I don't know if it's easy but it seems to have the bells and whistles
for the right price. My personal short term goal is to re-learn Pro-E after 12
years of retirement. Wish me luck.

Stan

                             <snip>
>
> I'm working on trying to figure out which CAD/CAM software format we should
> standardize on so the most people could participate.  I've been looking for
> some open source/free software but haven't found anything that's very easy
> to use.
>
> http://revoltevp.org/TheGarage/EngineeringStandards.aspx
>
>
>
> Any suggestions are welcome and thanks for allowing me to join the group.
>

#2225 From: "Todd" <conceptzrqt@...>
Date: Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:08 am
Subject: Re: New Member
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Hey Chad,

I love the idea (this is what I wanted to do)but I have never gone farther than
this group. If you want a good 3D/cad source you can go with Rhino, you can get
it for free and do 25 saves before you can not save any more. You can still
download and view anything but you can not make changes after the first 25
saves. Any file you put on the net can be down loaded and viewed with Rhino and
they can change a few things here and there. It is enough with the 25 saves for
most everyone and you can use it to viwe almost any other format.

You can also go with Sketchup but I have read in forums that it is limited with
its renders as well as contours.


Let me know what I can do to help, would be gald to.


Seeya!
Todd

#2224 From: "liteflite55" <liteflite55@...>
Date: Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:02 pm
Subject: Re: New Member
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      Hi chad, Welcome aboard. Go to www.rqriley.com to see lots of cars and other things you can build yourself. The highest plans i've seen are 95.00 But he also has the computer program you are lookin for, sorry, but i do not know how much. Still, you will be impressed!!!!   Hope this helps.   Gary
--- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, "Chad" <chad@...> wrote:
>
> This looks like a great project. I'm just cleaning out my garage to build a
> three wheeler myself and the Lo-T3k looks like an awesome project.
>
>
>
> My very well taken care of 'to work and back' 1995 dodge neon that I've had
> for 10 years just blew its perfectly running, non smoking engine via the
> timing belt breaking; just after spending a grand repainting it jet black,
> adding euro lights all around, wheels, tires etc. A new engine is going to
> cost $3,000 to replace.
>
>
>
> So I took a look out on the market and found the Auto Unions offering the
> following new car choices:
>
> Look and feel stupid and unsafe for around $15,000;
>
> Look and feel boring and average for $20,000, $35,000, or
>
> spend more than that and basically stay at home for the next 7 years until I
> pay it off.
>
>
>
> On top of that everything is either massively heavy piles of metal or flimsy
> tinfoil, inefficient and more than what I need to get myself work and back
> with.
>
>
>
> So I decided that I'm putting together a new open source website so people
> can work together online to design electric vehicles and post plans and
> provide free support to each other. http://revoltevp.org
>
>
>
> I'm trying to work out the process and find good web based tools I can add
> to the site by going through the first project which I've decided is going
> to be a tilting three wheeler 2F3T.
>
>
>
> I'm working on trying to figure out which CAD/CAM software format we should
> standardize on so the most people could participate. I've been looking for
> some open source/free software but haven't found anything that's very easy
> to use.
>
> http://revoltevp.org/TheGarage/EngineeringStandards.aspx
>
>
>
> Any suggestions are welcome and thanks for allowing me to join the group.
>

#2223 From: "Chad" <chad@...>
Date: Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:42 pm
Subject: New Member
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This looks like a great project. I’m just cleaning out my garage to build a three wheeler myself and the Lo-T3k  looks like an awesome project.

 

My very well taken care of ‘to work and back’  1995 dodge neon that I’ve had for 10 years just blew its perfectly running, non smoking engine via the timing belt breaking; just after spending a grand repainting it jet black, adding euro lights all around, wheels, tires etc. A new engine is going to cost $3,000 to replace.

 

So I took a look out on the market and found the Auto Unions offering the following new car choices:

Look and feel stupid and unsafe for around $15,000;

Look and feel boring and average for $20,000, $35,000, or

spend more than that and basically stay at home for the next 7 years until I pay it off.

 

On top of that everything is either massively heavy piles of metal or flimsy tinfoil, inefficient and more than what I need to get myself work and back with.   

 

So I decided that I’m putting together a new open source website so people can work together online to design electric vehicles and post plans and provide free support to each other. http://revoltevp.org

 

I’m trying to work out the process and find good web based tools I can add to the site by going through the first project which I’ve decided is going to be a tilting three wheeler 2F3T.

 

I’m working on trying to figure out which CAD/CAM software format we should standardize on so the most people could participate.  I’ve been looking for some open source/free software but haven’t found anything that’s very easy to use.

http://revoltevp.org/TheGarage/EngineeringStandards.aspx

 

Any suggestions are welcome and thanks for allowing me to join the group.


#2222 From: "Todd" <conceptzrqt@...>
Date: Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:35 pm
Subject: A donation link . . . only if you want. I dont want to look like a begger.
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After much deliberation I think I will do a "donate" link. I have not wanted to
and I have avoided it for a few years now but…I put up a "donate" link in the
"links" area. I did not want to put it on the main page and have it look like I
am begging for money, so if you want you will have to go to the link this way it
will not be an "in your face donate button" as soon as you get to the homepage.
If you have Paypal you can click it and it will take you to a Paypal secure
webpage.

I have not wanted to do this but I have had a few emails from people advising me
to go ahead with it. I don't want it to look like I am asking for or even
begging for money, if you don't want to …don't. It is no big deal. So far
everyone I have talked to about it said that there will be some that want to
help…let them, it will only advance the build and get you on the road faster.
Plus, part of their argument for the "donate" link is that I have been posting
all the info up with no charge so I should not feel guilty about it.
So…I did it.
If you want to donate then do it, I thank you and of course I will continue to
post everything I do. Don't feel compelled to do so this is only if you want.

I hope no one out there in cyber world thinks any less of me.

Thanks,
Seeya!
Todd

#2221 From: Timothy <flytch@...>
Date: Sat Aug 8, 2009 3:54 pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 510
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dang Tod... I've been looking for one too... if you wernt so far away I'd buy it in a heart beat... nijas are going for 2k right now... so get your money's worth out of it!!!
Timothy...

--- On Fri, 8/7/09, Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com <Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

From: Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com <Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Lo-T3k] Digest Number 510
To: Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 4:19 AM

There are 3 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1a. Help me out here !   
    From: Todd
1b. Re: Help me out here !   
    From: Roland Wood
1c. Re: Help me out here !   
    From: Todd


Messages
________________________________________________________________________
1a. Help me out here !
    Posted by: "Todd" conceptzrqt@... conceptzrqt
    Date: Thu Aug 6, 2009 9:48 am ((PDT))

Hey all,


I don't want to do it but it is time…If I want to get Lo-T3k on the road then I am going to have to get rid of a few more things.

So that being said, anyone want a Ninja 250.
If I remember right it is a 2000 or 2001. I have had the carbs rebuilt, fluids chainged, new battery last year and new tires a month ago. The bike has about 900 mile on it - FOR REAL  - and the tires have about 100 yards worth of travel…yes that is correct. I have not had a chance to do any thing with it and I want Lo-T3k on the road before Carlisle next year. I have also added green LEDs to the front, sides and rear, relocated the signals under the tail and added 2 more running lights and brake lights to the rear (in a factory location). I hand cut and added blue reflective tape for better visibility both day and night. There are picks of it under the photo section. There is some damage on the clutch side and a rip in the seat, I have epoxied the damage and it does not look bad at all. I thought I would go here before I hit Ebay. The first $1000 here can have it, I will ask more on Ebay due to fees and the fact that I can get more from it. It needs to be ridden and with the wife working nights/weekends, 3 kids and church 2-3 days a week…I don't have time to ride. It needs a good home. Someone let me know if you are interested and we can work out the details. I can post more pics if needed.
If it helps to talk anyone into it (hehe)…the money will be going towards building a small work shop, so I can get Lo-T3k on the road.

I am tired of it sitting in the back yard and me not able to work on it.

Some one give it a good home.

Seeya!
Todd







Messages in this topic (3)
________________________________________________________________________
1b. Re: Help me out here !
    Posted by: "Roland Wood" liteflite55@... liteflite55
    Date: Thu Aug 6, 2009 10:20 am ((PDT))


        Todd,
Give me an add. and i can send a donation, but I am already getting another 250 cruiser on time. Sorry but thats the best i can do. GOD be with you and send the help you need, if it be his will.


Gary R. Wood Sr.

--- On Thu, 8/6/09, Todd <conceptzrqt@...> wrote:


From: Todd <conceptzrqt@...>
Subject: [Lo-T3k] Help me out here !
To: Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 4:48 PM


 



Hey all,

I don't want to do it but it is time...If I want to get Lo-T3k on the road then I am going to have to get rid of a few more things.

So that being said, anyone want a Ninja 250.
If I remember right it is a 2000 or 2001. I have had the carbs rebuilt, fluids chainged, new battery last year and new tires a month ago. The bike has about 900 mile on it - FOR REAL - and the tires have about 100 yards worth of travel...yes that is correct. I have not had a chance to do any thing with it and I want Lo-T3k on the road before Carlisle next year. I have also added green LEDs to the front, sides and rear, relocated the signals under the tail and added 2 more running lights and brake lights to the rear (in a factory location). I hand cut and added blue reflective tape for better visibility both day and night. There are picks of it under the photo section. There is some damage on the clutch side and a rip in the seat, I have epoxied the damage and it does not look bad at all. I thought I would go here before I hit Ebay. The first $1000 here can have it, I will ask more on Ebay due to fees and the fact that I can get more from it. It needs to
be ridden and with the wife working nights/weekends, 3 kids and church 2-3 days a week...I don't have time to ride. It needs a good home. Someone let me know if you are interested and we can work out the details. I can post more pics if needed.
If it helps to talk anyone into it (hehe)...the money will be going towards building a small work shop, so I can get Lo-T3k on the road.

I am tired of it sitting in the back yard and me not able to work on it.

Some one give it a good home.

Seeya!
Todd

















     



Messages in this topic (3)
________________________________________________________________________
1c. Re: Help me out here !
    Posted by: "Todd" conceptzrqt@... conceptzrqt
    Date: Thu Aug 6, 2009 12:25 pm ((PDT))

Thank you Sir.

I have had others tell me that they appreciate what I am trying to do and that I have been putting everything up with no charges. I will continue to do so. As soon as I get the front and rear worked out I will put all info for those as well. Hopefully build more and put it all up for free.
I just don't think this should be so hard or cost anything. The technology is out there, we just need to gather it and sort it for what works for us. I am trying to do that but life gets in the way.
I have had a few others tell me to post up a Paypal account for donations but I don't like taking money for nothing. When I get a website up and running I might think about that to keep the site up and running but that is some time away.

However…I might be talked into a "donations" button of some sort.

I just don't want people to think I am in this for the "give me the money" frame of mind.

I did have a thought,
Cafepress has a web site that sells t-shirts and stuff. I would only make a few dollars off of each t-shirt sold but it would be some income.
Would anyone be interested in a "Lo-T3k" t-shirt, hat, or something similar; possibly a couple of design options?
If there is some interest I will work on some designs and see if I can get a Cafepress store opened up. Or, if someone wanted a design made up, I could work on that as well.

Any thoughts? Let me know.


Seeya!
Todd




--- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, Roland Wood <liteflite55@...> wrote:
>
>
>         Todd,
> Give me an add. and i can send a donation, but I am already getting another 250 cruiser on time. Sorry but thats the best i can do. GOD be with you and send the help you need, if it be his will.
>
>
> Gary R. Wood Sr.
>
> --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Todd <conceptzrqt@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Todd <conceptzrqt@...>
> Subject: [Lo-T3k] Help me out here !
> To: Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 4:48 PM







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#2220 From: "Todd" <conceptzrqt@...>
Date: Sat Aug 8, 2009 2:51 pm
Subject: Re: Help me out here !
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I keep getting errors when I try to send videos in an email or posting to the
file section...I will keep trying.



Seeya!
Todd

#2219 From: "Todd" <conceptzrqt@...>
Date: Sat Aug 8, 2009 2:43 pm
Subject: Re: Help me out here !
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Rick,


I added some photos in the photo section.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lo-T3k/photos/album/881448590/pic/list

I have a few videos, but the are to big to get in the file section. I can try to
email one to you. I has been sitting now without beiong started for about 2
months so I will need to get it charged up. I dont want to sell it but I need
to.

I am going to get rid of my GL1200 motor as well. It has the starter on it as
well as 2 sets of carbs. It ran 2 years ago before it was pulled. It has been
sitting ever since.

Let me know if you need any more pics. I took some of the damage area, the
ripped seat and other shots. I have a video of the leds on it lite up in the
dark...cool.



Seeya!
Todd






--- In Lo-T3k@yahoogroups.com, Rick Nelson <geezer.nelson@...> wrote:
>
> Todd,
> Can you send a photo?  It sounds like a good deal.
>
> Rick
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Todd<conceptzrqt@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I don't want to do it but it is time…If I want to get Lo-T3k on the road
> > then I am going to have to get rid of a few more things.
> >
> > So that being said, anyone want a Ninja 250.
> > If I remember right it is a 2000 or 2001. I have had the carbs rebuilt,
> > fluids chainged, new battery last year and new tires a month ago. The bike
> > has about 900 mile on it - FOR REAL - and the tires have about 100 yards
> > worth of travel…yes that is correct. I have not had a chance to do any thing
> > with it and I want Lo-T3k on the road before Carlisle next year. I have also
> > added green LEDs to the front, sides and rear, relocated the signals under
> > the tail and added 2 more running lights and brake lights to the rear (in a
> > factory location). I hand cut and added blue reflective tape for better
> > visibility both day and night. There are picks of it under the photo
> > section. There is some damage on the clutch side and a rip in the seat, I
> > have epoxied the damage and it does not look bad at all. I thought I would
> > go here before I hit Ebay. The first $1000 here can have it, I will ask more
> > on Ebay due to fees and the fact that I can get more from it. It needs to be
> > ridden and with the wife working nights/weekends, 3 kids and church 2-3 days
> > a week…I don't have time to ride. It needs a good home. Someone let me know
> > if you are interested and we can work out the details. I can post more pics
> > if needed.
> > If it helps to talk anyone into it (hehe)…the money will be going towards
> > building a small work shop, so I can get Lo-T3k on the road.
> >
> > I am tired of it sitting in the back yard and me not able to work on it.
> >
> > Some one give it a good home.
> >
> > Seeya!
> > Todd
> >
> >
>

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