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Bad idea

EXXON Mobil sells its gas to distributors who resell it to private retailers
( gas stations ).

You might hurt the gas station guys, not Exxon Mobil.

EXXON Mobil makes $$  refining oil, not selling retail gas. Next time you
fill up at the NO NAME cheap gas station, guess where that gas comes from ??

ExxonMobil processes oil to make plastics, heating fuel, diesel, fertilizer
...etc etc.

and they sell the product all over the world.

If we were all to buy SHELL oil and no more Exxon for a while, SHELL would
simply buy more refined product from Exxon to compensate, and both companies
still would make BILLIONS in profits.

A more efficient approach would be for us to use LESS petroleum based
product: Expanded polystyrene containers, ( fast food) plastic bags at
grocery store ( recycle more) and many many other applications.

It is sad to see other countries such as Brazil achieve technical goals such
as being gasoline independent using sugar cane based ethanol to propel their
cars and we cant do it here.

Several countries in Europe have reduced their import of oil by over 50 %
since the 70s, by using more fuel efficient cars and building nuclear power
plants. Don't we have the technology here ??

Being independent of imported gas is possible here too. It will take some
efforts and some motivation. Maybe we need to get rid of the gas companies
lobby first. That would be a great step in the right direction.

Any other ideas ??


Alain

===================================================

>    From: "Dylan Nash" redsock@...
>    Date: Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:35pm(PDT)
> Subject: The solution for lowering gas prices
>
> Not sure if you guys are into this sort of thing, but hell, if it
> worked it would be something for nothing.  It's got to be easier than
> filling out those damn mail in rebates.
> -Dylan
>
> This is worthwhile to read. It might even work.
>
> GAS WAR - Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea. This makes MUCH
> MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was
> going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that
> because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing
> to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a
> problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with
> a plan that can really work. Please read on and join with us!
>
> By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is
> super cheap. Me too! It is currently $2.79 for regular unleaded in my
> town. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned
> us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 -
> $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS
> control the marketplace..not sellers. With the price of gasoline going
> up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we
> are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in
> the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we can do that
> WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How?
>
> Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we
> CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a
> price war.
>
> Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY
> gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and
> MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to
> reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies
> will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach
> literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple
> to do! Now, don't wimp out on me at this point...keep reading and I'll
> explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!
>
> I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us send it to at least
> ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten
> more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches
> the sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
> consumers.
>
> If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends
> each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one
> level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!
>
> Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people.
> That's all! (If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and
> all you have to do is send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it,
> you just aren't a mathematician.
> But I am... so trust me on this one.) :-)
>
> How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to
> ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people
> could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you
> didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting
> together we can make a difference.
>
> If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. I suggest
> that we not buy from EXXON/MOBIL UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE
> $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK

Not sure if you guys are into this sort of thing, but hell, if it
worked it would be something for nothing.  It's got to be easier than
filling out those damn mail in rebates.
-Dylan

This is worthwhile to read. It might even work.

GAS WAR - Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea. This makes MUCH
MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was
going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that
because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing
to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a
problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with
a plan that can really work. Please read on and join with us!

By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is
super cheap. Me too! It is currently $2.79 for regular unleaded in my
town. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned
us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 -
$1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS
control the marketplace..not sellers. With the price of gasoline going
up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we
are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in
the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we can do that
WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How?

Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we
CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a
price war.

Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY
gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and
MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to
reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies
will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach
literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple
to do! Now, don't wimp out on me at this point...keep reading and I'll
explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!

I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us send it to at least
ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten
more (300 x 10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches
the sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION
consumers.

If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends
each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one
level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people.
That's all! (If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and
all you have to do is send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it,
you just aren't a mathematician.
But I am... so trust me on this one.) :-)

How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to
ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people
could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you
didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting
together we can make a difference.

If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. I suggest
that we not buy from EXXON/MOBIL UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE
$1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK

Scott,

You can find them as Kevin described below.  I'm currently using part#
3178K77 (M15).  I'm probably going to try a new nozzle in a couple months
(like part# 4759T15).


Jeremy


>Message: 2
>    Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:21:08 -0500
>    From: "Scott F. Williams" <sfwilliams@...>
>Subject: RE: Digest Number 877
>
>Can you please provide a link to these "M15" nozzles? I'm scoured
>McMaster's
>site and haven't found anything of the sort. Also, have you taken any
>precautions so as to avoid damaging the pump with that 100% methanol?
>
>Thanks,
>--
>Scott F. Williams
>"Dream it. Do it. Carpe diem."
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>Message: 3
>    Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:51:22 +0000
>    From: "Kevin Umbreit" <unclesam099@...>
>Subject: RE: Digest Number 877
>
>Scott,
>
>Search for "Misting Nozzles", or go to page 1939.  You will see their GPh
>rating at 100psi.  That is the Mx rating, where x = GPh.  So M15 would be a
>15.00 GPH at 100psi.  Hope that helps.
>
>As for the methanol, it will be fine with a Shurflo pump or an Aquamist
>pump
>as their seals are (I know for sure with the Shurflo) Viton and do not
>require lubrication/protection from the methanol.
>
>unclesam099

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Regards,
Mike

I use windshield washer fluid.. works fine!

FH
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Jeremy Harvison
   To: DSM_water_injection@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 10:59 AM
   Subject: RE: [DSM_WI] Digest Number 877



   Make sure that you inject the water after the GM MAF.

   I also have my GM MAF installed so that the element is oriented
   left-to-right instead of up and down.  That way if water does try to pool up
   a little inside of the MAF, it doesn't short the hotwire out (causing the
   reported airflow to go through the roof).

   Also, I'll take this chance to say that if you put the water on the car, and
   aren't happy with it, try a mix of alcohol.  When I first put WI on my car,
   I was pretty disappointed with the results.  Then I tried the winter formula
   blue windshield washer fluid (two Aquamist 1mm nozzles), and liked that,
   then went to 100% alcohol (and a McMaster-Carr M15 nozzle).  The alcohol
   puts a big smile on your face  =)

   Good Luck,
   Jeremy


   >Message: 1
   >    Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 01:24:14 -0000
   >    From: "jsmcpn" <333333333333@...>
   >Subject: New to WI, already many mods on my 2g
   >
   >Hi all, n00b (to WI) here.
   >I have an opportunity to get a great deal on a new ERL 2S system
   >(MF2,etc) and am worried I can't use it because of a GM MAF after the
   >BOV.  I'm using the Dejonpowerhouse.com setup with FMIC.  I know if
   >water gets on the MAF when the BOV opens, ECU thinks airflow just went
   >sky high, etc. and if I can't avoid that, I'll not buy the WI kit.
   >
   >Does anyone here have a similar setup and no issues with single-stage
   >WI at the throttle body elbow?  Suggestions on how to address the issue?
   >
   >Thanks,
   >JSMCPN




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Scott,

Search for "Misting Nozzles", or go to page 1939.  You will see their GPh
rating at 100psi.  That is the Mx rating, where x = GPh.  So M15 would be a
15.00 GPH at 100psi.  Hope that helps.

As for the methanol, it will be fine with a Shurflo pump or an Aquamist pump
as their seals are (I know for sure with the Shurflo) Viton and do not
require lubrication/protection from the methanol.

unclesam099


>From: "Scott F. Williams" <sfwilliams@...>
>Reply-To: DSM_water_injection@yahoogroups.com
>To: <DSM_water_injection@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [DSM_WI] Digest Number 877
>Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:21:08 -0500
>
>Can you please provide a link to these "M15" nozzles? I'm scoured
>McMaster's
>site and haven't found anything of the sort. Also, have you taken any
>precautions so as to avoid damaging the pump with that 100% methanol?
>
>Thanks,
>--
>Scott F. Williams
>"Dream it. Do it. Carpe diem."
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DSM_water_injection@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:DSM_water_injection@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
>Harvison
> > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 1:00 PM
> > To: DSM_water_injection@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [DSM_WI] Digest Number 877
> >
> >
> > Make sure that you inject the water after the GM MAF.
> >
> > I also have my GM MAF installed so that the element is oriented
> > left-to-right instead of up and down.  That way if water does try to
>pool
> > up
> > a little inside of the MAF, it doesn't short the hotwire out (causing
>the
> > reported airflow to go through the roof).
> >
> > Also, I'll take this chance to say that if you put the water on the car,
> > and
> > aren't happy with it, try a mix of alcohol.  When I first put WI on my
> > car,
> > I was pretty disappointed with the results.  Then I tried the winter
> > formula
> > blue windshield washer fluid (two Aquamist 1mm nozzles), and liked that,
> > then went to 100% alcohol (and a McMaster-Carr M15 nozzle).  The alcohol
> > puts a big smile on your face  =)
> >
> > Good Luck,
> > Jeremy
> >
> >
> > >Message: 1
> > >    Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 01:24:14 -0000
> > >    From: "jsmcpn" <333333333333@...>
> > >Subject: New to WI, already many mods on my 2g
> > >
> > >Hi all, n00b (to WI) here.
> > >I have an opportunity to get a great deal on a new ERL 2S system
> > >(MF2,etc) and am worried I can't use it because of a GM MAF after the
> > >BOV.  I'm using the Dejonpowerhouse.com setup with FMIC.  I know if
> > >water gets on the MAF when the BOV opens, ECU thinks airflow just went
> > >sky high, etc. and if I can't avoid that, I'll not buy the WI kit.
> > >
> > >Does anyone here have a similar setup and no issues with single-stage
> > >WI at the throttle body elbow?  Suggestions on how to address the
>issue?
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >JSMCPN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Can you please provide a link to these "M15" nozzles? I'm scoured McMaster's
site and haven't found anything of the sort. Also, have you taken any
precautions so as to avoid damaging the pump with that 100% methanol?

Thanks,
--
Scott F. Williams
"Dream it. Do it. Carpe diem."

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DSM_water_injection@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DSM_water_injection@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Harvison
> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 1:00 PM
> To: DSM_water_injection@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [DSM_WI] Digest Number 877
>
>
> Make sure that you inject the water after the GM MAF.
>
> I also have my GM MAF installed so that the element is oriented
> left-to-right instead of up and down.  That way if water does try to pool
> up
> a little inside of the MAF, it doesn't short the hotwire out (causing the
> reported airflow to go through the roof).
>
> Also, I'll take this chance to say that if you put the water on the car,
> and
> aren't happy with it, try a mix of alcohol.  When I first put WI on my
> car,
> I was pretty disappointed with the results.  Then I tried the winter
> formula
> blue windshield washer fluid (two Aquamist 1mm nozzles), and liked that,
> then went to 100% alcohol (and a McMaster-Carr M15 nozzle).  The alcohol
> puts a big smile on your face  =)
>
> Good Luck,
> Jeremy
>
>
> >Message: 1
> >    Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 01:24:14 -0000
> >    From: "jsmcpn" <333333333333@...>
> >Subject: New to WI, already many mods on my 2g
> >
> >Hi all, n00b (to WI) here.
> >I have an opportunity to get a great deal on a new ERL 2S system
> >(MF2,etc) and am worried I can't use it because of a GM MAF after the
> >BOV.  I'm using the Dejonpowerhouse.com setup with FMIC.  I know if
> >water gets on the MAF when the BOV opens, ECU thinks airflow just went
> >sky high, etc. and if I can't avoid that, I'll not buy the WI kit.
> >
> >Does anyone here have a similar setup and no issues with single-stage
> >WI at the throttle body elbow?  Suggestions on how to address the issue?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >JSMCPN
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Make sure that you inject the water after the GM MAF.

I also have my GM MAF installed so that the element is oriented
left-to-right instead of up and down.  That way if water does try to pool up
a little inside of the MAF, it doesn't short the hotwire out (causing the
reported airflow to go through the roof).

Also, I'll take this chance to say that if you put the water on the car, and
aren't happy with it, try a mix of alcohol.  When I first put WI on my car,
I was pretty disappointed with the results.  Then I tried the winter formula
blue windshield washer fluid (two Aquamist 1mm nozzles), and liked that,
then went to 100% alcohol (and a McMaster-Carr M15 nozzle).  The alcohol
puts a big smile on your face  =)

Good Luck,
Jeremy


>Message: 1
>    Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 01:24:14 -0000
>    From: "jsmcpn" <333333333333@...>
>Subject: New to WI, already many mods on my 2g
>
>Hi all, n00b (to WI) here.
>I have an opportunity to get a great deal on a new ERL 2S system
>(MF2,etc) and am worried I can't use it because of a GM MAF after the
>BOV.  I'm using the Dejonpowerhouse.com setup with FMIC.  I know if
>water gets on the MAF when the BOV opens, ECU thinks airflow just went
>sky high, etc. and if I can't avoid that, I'll not buy the WI kit.
>
>Does anyone here have a similar setup and no issues with single-stage
>WI at the throttle body elbow?  Suggestions on how to address the issue?
>
>Thanks,
>JSMCPN

I have the exact setup you are speaking of (save for the brand of WI kit).
My car does not see the negative effects that you are worrying about, so you
will be fine.

unclesam099


>From: "fh" <g34rh34d@...>
>Reply-To: DSM_water_injection@yahoogroups.com
>To: <DSM_water_injection@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [DSM_WI] New to WI, already many mods on my 2g
>Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:12:49 -0700
>
>Yup, I have the Aquamist 1S system with the wi in both the before and after
>intercooler setups. (currently in the "before" placement.) But I am
>planning on going back to the TBE as soon as I get off my butt and put my
>FMIC in (been sitting in the garage for a while now..) No issues with it at
>the TBE. Just make sure the kit has decent atomization so you can maximize
>its efficiency...
>
>One thing I would add, you probably should get the little 1 way valve (if
>you don't have it currently) and install that just beneath the jet at the
>TBE.
>
>FWIW.
>
>Fh
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: jsmcpn
>   To: DSM_water_injection@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:24 PM
>   Subject: [DSM_WI] New to WI, already many mods on my 2g
>
>
>   Hi all, n00b (to WI) here.
>   I have an opportunity to get a great deal on a new ERL 2S system
>   (MF2,etc) and am worried I can't use it because of a GM MAF after the
>   BOV.  I'm using the Dejonpowerhouse.com setup with FMIC.  I know if
>   water gets on the MAF when the BOV opens, ECU thinks airflow just went
>   sky high, etc. and if I can't avoid that, I'll not buy the WI kit.
>
>   Does anyone here have a similar setup and no issues with single-stage
>   WI at the throttle body elbow?  Suggestions on how to address the issue?
>
>   Thanks,
>   JSMCPN
>
>
>
>
>
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Yup, I have the Aquamist 1S system with the wi in both the before and after
intercooler setups. (currently in the "before" placement.) But I am planning on
going back to the TBE as soon as I get off my butt and put my FMIC in (been
sitting in the garage for a while now..) No issues with it at the TBE. Just make
sure the kit has decent atomization so you can maximize its efficiency...

One thing I would add, you probably should get the little 1 way valve (if you
don't have it currently) and install that just beneath the jet at the TBE.

FWIW.

Fh
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: jsmcpn
   To: DSM_water_injection@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 6:24 PM
   Subject: [DSM_WI] New to WI, already many mods on my 2g


   Hi all, n00b (to WI) here.
   I have an opportunity to get a great deal on a new ERL 2S system
   (MF2,etc) and am worried I can't use it because of a GM MAF after the
   BOV.  I'm using the Dejonpowerhouse.com setup with FMIC.  I know if
   water gets on the MAF when the BOV opens, ECU thinks airflow just went
   sky high, etc. and if I can't avoid that, I'll not buy the WI kit.

   Does anyone here have a similar setup and no issues with single-stage
   WI at the throttle body elbow?  Suggestions on how to address the issue?

   Thanks,
   JSMCPN





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Hi all, n00b (to WI) here.
I have an opportunity to get a great deal on a new ERL 2S system
(MF2,etc) and am worried I can't use it because of a GM MAF after the
BOV.  I'm using the Dejonpowerhouse.com setup with FMIC.  I know if
water gets on the MAF when the BOV opens, ECU thinks airflow just went
sky high, etc. and if I can't avoid that, I'll not buy the WI kit.

Does anyone here have a similar setup and no issues with single-stage
WI at the throttle body elbow?  Suggestions on how to address the issue?

Thanks,
JSMCPN

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I discoverd that too. They're just jets that vary with pressure. I
got a set of 6 RC 270cc injectors sooper cheap so I'll try one of
those. They're disc type injectors and have stainless parts but
aren't full stainless. That's where a quick release mount and spares
come in.

Here's some other stuff I dug up. Stainless gas and hydraulic
injectors for industrial engines, Company based in San Diego. All
the high speed solenoid valves I found have a Cv of .5 or more which
is too big. My math says we would need something more like CV .1 max.
None of these industrial and lab valves are injectors so you would
still need a short run to a nozzle and a checkvalve. There's a guy
on the miata.net forum using a denso injectors that he just cleans
every once in a while.

  Ulka espresso machine pumps that are cheap, tiny, instant on
diaphragm type, can make 300psi, rated for continuous use but 110v
so you would need an inverter. The one I think is best for a race
pump is the EX77. 150cc at about 4 bar continuous.  I had no luck
finding a flow sensor with enough sensitivity so the Aquamist DDS2 &
DS3 are still the best thing going for a failsafe monitor / switch.

http://www.cleanairpower.com/download/vehicle%20components/VC-
SolenoidValve-Spec050125.pdf

http://www.cleanairpower.com/?p=vehicle_systems

http://www.extracad.com/ULKA/pageone.htm

-e


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<sfwilliams@c...> wrote:
>
> E wrote:
> > Ive heard Bosch K Jetronic fuel injectors are brass/ stainless
and may work for water injection. Haven't tried it myself but I plan
on  it.
>

> Those injectors are not pulseable. They vary delivery volume only
after changes to the system pressure. How would this be advantageous
when compared to the nozzles supplied by any of the WI vendors?
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Here's where i saw it. I don't think they a website.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ru=http%3A%
2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fws%2Fsearch%2FSaleSearch%3Fsofocus%3Dbs%
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253Bsspagename%3Dh%253Ah%253Aadvsearch%253AUS%26from%3DR7%26nojspr%
3Dy%26pfid%3D0%26fsop%3D1%2526fsoo%253D1%26fcl%3D3%26frpp%3D50%26fvi%
3D1&item=8016298667

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Has anyone heard of this company? If you are using one of their kits
I'd like to hear from you.

E wrote:
> Ive heard Bosch K Jetronic fuel injectors are brass/ stainless and
> may work for water injection. Haven't tried it myself but I plan on
> it.

Those injectors are not pulseable. They vary delivery volume only after
changes to the system pressure. How would this be advantageous when compared
to the nozzles supplied by any of the WI vendors?
--
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Team Director
Usually Sideways Rally Team
www.usrallyteam.com

"Ask me about SPEC clutches, wideband O2 sensors, fuel injectors, fuel
pressure regulators, fuel pumps, standalone management, automatic
intercooler spray kits, water/alcohol injection, ground kits, and Braille
11.5lb street/race batteries."

Ive heard Bosch K Jetronic fuel injectors are brass/ stainless and
may work for water injection. Haven't tried it myself but I plan on
it.

e

TrakSport

--- In DSM_water_injection@yahoogroups.com, "Scott F. Williams"
<sfwilliams@c...> wrote:
>
> Gents, can anybody suggest a pulseable solenoid that can be
substituted for  the Aquamist HSV? That's a wonderful piece, but
there's nothing particularly  magical about it. There's got to be
something out there on the market that  can be pulsed like a fuel
injector by a standalone ECU. Can anybody point me  to it?
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Scott F. Williams
> Team Director
> Usually Sideways Rally Team
> www.usrallyteam.com
>
> "Ask me about SPEC clutches, wideband O2 sensors, fuel injectors,
fuel
> pressure regulators, fuel pumps, standalone management, automatic
> intercooler spray kits, water/alcohol injection, ground kits, and
Braille
> 11.5lb street/race batteries."
>

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Sorry, can't think of a comparable solenoid, but if you want something
"like a fuel injector," why not just use a fuel injector?  The
advantage of using fuel injectors is obviously their ability to provide
a more exact amount of water under varying conditions, as well as their
ubiquity and relatively low cost.  Standard size injectors are readily
available and cheap as many people want to upgrade.  The downside to a
fuel injector are that the innards are not made of stainless steel and
tend to rust/corrode when water is pumped through them.  I'm not sure
if a rust inhibitor in the water would help this problem, such as most
modern antifreezes, or if this would interfere in proper
evaporation/combustion.  At least most used injectors come in "packs"
of four so are easily replaced.

Good luck, and let us know what you find/decide.

Jon F.
'92 GVR4 #305


>    Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:07:55 -0400
>    From: "Scott F. Williams" <sfwilliams@...>
> Subject: Aquamist HSV substitute?
>
> Gents, can anybody suggest a pulseable solenoid that can be
> substituted for
> the Aquamist HSV? That's a wonderful piece, but there's nothing
> particularly
> magical about it. There's got to be something out there on the market
> that
> can be pulsed like a fuel injector by a standalone ECU. Can anybody
> point me
> to it?
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Scott F. Williams
> Team Director
> Usually Sideways Rally Team
> www.usrallyteam.com
>
> "Ask me about SPEC clutches, wideband O2 sensors, fuel injectors,
> fuel
> pressure regulators, fuel pumps, standalone management, automatic
> intercooler spray kits, water/alcohol injection, ground kits, and
> Braille
> 11.5lb street/race batteries."

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Gents, can anybody suggest a pulseable solenoid that can be substituted for
the Aquamist HSV? That's a wonderful piece, but there's nothing particularly
magical about it. There's got to be something out there on the market that
can be pulsed like a fuel injector by a standalone ECU. Can anybody point me
to it?

Thanks,
--
Scott F. Williams
Team Director
Usually Sideways Rally Team
www.usrallyteam.com

"Ask me about SPEC clutches, wideband O2 sensors, fuel injectors, fuel
pressure regulators, fuel pumps, standalone management, automatic
intercooler spray kits, water/alcohol injection, ground kits, and Braille
11.5lb street/race batteries."

Thanks for the reply! I do remember seeing a bunch of crusty blue stuff in the
resevoir now that you mention it.

-Robert


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Ron:
I Emailed a WWF manufacture and got the following answer after
explaining  how we were using their WWF in our engines.
In general his answer was; WWF is comprised of water, soap, coloring and
a few other things which help to remove bug guts from your windshield.
He also said they use the cheapest form of alcohol they can find, after
all what can you expect these days for a buck or so a gallon. Also the
percent of alcohol varies greatly, depending on your weather.  Take a
look at the buildup of junk (usually blue) on most under hood WWF
reservoirs.  I know many people use WWF and I'll probably get a lot of
flak about this. But then it's only my opinion. But if in doubt, get the
name of a WWF manufacture and write them, I had to try several before I
found one that would answer my question.  Oh yes I use a mix of about
80% distilled water and 20% methanol, keeps thinks simple.
Jack SimiDSMer

Well since most people inject somewhere around 20% of
there injectors and WWF is a 50/50 mix I don't think
its really going to need compensation. I'm switching
to the 80/20 methanol/water mix and will need to
compensate for that, but thats what I have DSMlink and
a wideband for.

When running WWF I really did't see a difference in my
o2's. Hope that helps.
Chris

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> Since this board is so dead-I thought I'd see if I
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>
> My question (two part) is this:
>
> It appears that water with a mix of alky or meth
> nets the best results.
>
> Ive also seen that many find that windshield washer
> fluid is both convenient and adequate for this
> mixture.
>
> So my question is,since this mixture has part fuel
> in it (meth or alky),how does one compensate in
> their tuning,especially since one can't really count
> on the ratio of fuel/water in the mixture?
>
> Thanks!
> -Robert
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