--- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, "pat1missy" <patalexander99@...> wrote:
>
> I had already studied those pictures closely.  Head goes on the chair?
>
> I've met others who do that.
>
> I have removed the chairs and considered several solutions, including a single
bed type futon.
>
> What I'd love to do is remove the couch and put in a Select Comfort single
bed, assuming it could be used for sitting during the day. My couch is in
excellent condition, and I think doing the bed would greatly reduce the value of
the RV.
>
> --pat
Pat, No, we actuallly put our feet in the chairs, but that was because of the
level of the coach at the time.  I guess it could work with the head in the
chair, but we've found that the extra room from the bench makes it quite
comfortable north south.  If you've already removed the chairs, you should have
plenty of room for some other configuration.  How do you eat?
>
>
>
> --- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, "Terry and Sally" <sba@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, "pat1missy" <patalexander99@> wrote:
> > >
> > > John:
> > >
> > > How do you make a queen size bed in the club chair model?
> > >
> > > --pat
> > Pat, if you look at the pictures of my "bed extension", it'll get you
withing 1/2" of a queen width.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, john hepkin <johnhepkin@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Bud
> > > > I see you are still looking.
> > > >
> > > > I cant speak for the Concourse since I have never driven or used one.
> > > > The smaller size seems to be a big plus as far as parking goes with
> > > > several people.
> > > >
> > > > I decided on my destiny because I figured I could get a little more
> > > > length and width for about the same price in the used rv market
> > > > compared to the concourse.  I have the club chair model and the sofa
> > > > bed makes up into a queen sized bed because of the extra width of the
> > > > destiny.  It has a little more storage space and the shower/bath is a
> > > > little larger; although still not large enough to really be considered
> > > > a regular shower size.
> > > >
> > > > I live in a retirement community in aurora, co. and as with all of
> > > > these type of communities, they have very strict zoning.  One
> > > > restriction does not allow for the parking of any vehicle on the
> > > > street/curb in front of houses overnite.  that pretty much shoots down
> > > > parking my chinook in front of my house; however, they do allow me to
> > > > park it in my driveway as long as it doesnt block the sidewalk and i
> > > > can do that with my 24 ft. destiny.
> > > >
> > > > one other small thing is the spare tire is tucked away under the body
> > > > and not on the rear like in the concourse.
> > > >
> > > > as far as what is or is not selling out there on the market now, I
> > > > check the internet listings as well as ebay from time to time and i
> > > > dont really see very many nice, reasonable mileage destiny's on the
> > > > market.  i see far more concourse and glacier models listed.  now that
> > > > could be that chinook made far more of them than the destiny, i really
> > > > dont know.
> > > >
> > > > your best bet might be to keep looking for either model and find the
> > > > nicest one.
> > > >
> > > > good luck
> > > >
> > > > john hepkin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 9, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Clutterking SBC wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Bud,
> > > > >
> > > > > When we decided to buy a Chinook, we wanted either a Concourse or
> > > > > Premier, whichever we found first.
> > > > >
> > > > > Size was the biggest draw.  You can park them at home in the same
> > > > > space as any van and can use them around town, though a bit cramped
> > > > > for close parking.  The larger units would extend too far in a
> > > > > normal parking space and may overpower a residential driveway.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course, we previously owned a Roadtrek, so our Premier has a lot
> > > > > more elbow room.  I guess we'd be rattling around in a Destiny
> > > > > wondering who else to bring along :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > On space issues, we've noticed that the Premier bathroom is barely
> > > > > adequate, but private.  The aisles need cooperation when two people
> > > > > (or a person and a big dog) need to pass at the same time.  If the
> > > > > extra foot width in the Destiny gives more aisle space, that would
> > > > > be welcome.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is limited storage space to haul all the junk you don't need
> > > > > for a trip.  The closet is ok, but one can always use more - the
> > > > > Destiny appears to have a wider closet and additional pantry..
> > > > >
> > > > > I think they get around the same MPG (~10 city / ~12 hwy)?
> > > > >
> > > > > Now that we're used to the space we gained with the Premier, maybe
> > > > > we should take a look at some of the Destinys for sale?
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll be watching for Destiny owner's replies to your question.
> > > > >
> > > > > Don S
> > > > > 1999 Premier
> > > > > Dallas, TX
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > [mailto:ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bud
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:03 AM
> > > > > To: ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: [ChinookRVOwners] Destiny verses Concourse
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Can someone give me the pros and cons on these two? I know the
> > > > > Destiny is about a foot wider, is almost 3 feet longer and has a
> > > > > longer wheel base, thus roomier and more storage. But I see a half
> > > > > dozen or so that have been for sale a number of weeks and are still
> > > > > unsold. Is it the Chevy verse the Ford that makes them a turn off,
> > > > > the extra size making them less easy to park or handle or is it
> > > > > something else?
> > > > >
> > > > > Any insight will be helpful.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > Bud
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

If you already got rid of the chairs, keep the couch and put in a custom twin
bed where the chairs were.  Or get rid of it all and put in 2 custom twin beds
tho I like the first idea best. Check the new Born Free 20 2 person RV-they put
in one or two twin beds that the head raises.  In many ways they are doing what
the Chinook already has for other appointments.  Luanne

--- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, "pat1missy" <patalexander99@...> wrote:
>
> I had already studied those pictures closely.  Head goes on the chair?
>
> I've met others who do that.
>
> I have removed the chairs and considered several solutions, including a single
bed type futon.
>
> What I'd love to do is remove the couch and put in a Select Comfort single
bed, assuming it could be used for sitting during the day. My couch is in
excellent condition, and I think doing the bed would greatly reduce the value of
the RV.
>
> --pat
>
>
>
> --- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, "Terry and Sally" <sba@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, "pat1missy" <patalexander99@> wrote:
> > >
> > > John:
> > >
> > > How do you make a queen size bed in the club chair model?
> > >
> > > --pat
> > Pat, if you look at the pictures of my "bed extension", it'll get you
withing 1/2" of a queen width.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, john hepkin <johnhepkin@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Bud
> > > > I see you are still looking.
> > > >
> > > > I cant speak for the Concourse since I have never driven or used one.
> > > > The smaller size seems to be a big plus as far as parking goes with
> > > > several people.
> > > >
> > > > I decided on my destiny because I figured I could get a little more
> > > > length and width for about the same price in the used rv market
> > > > compared to the concourse.  I have the club chair model and the sofa
> > > > bed makes up into a queen sized bed because of the extra width of the
> > > > destiny.  It has a little more storage space and the shower/bath is a
> > > > little larger; although still not large enough to really be considered
> > > > a regular shower size.
> > > >
> > > > I live in a retirement community in aurora, co. and as with all of
> > > > these type of communities, they have very strict zoning.  One
> > > > restriction does not allow for the parking of any vehicle on the
> > > > street/curb in front of houses overnite.  that pretty much shoots down
> > > > parking my chinook in front of my house; however, they do allow me to
> > > > park it in my driveway as long as it doesnt block the sidewalk and i
> > > > can do that with my 24 ft. destiny.
> > > >
> > > > one other small thing is the spare tire is tucked away under the body
> > > > and not on the rear like in the concourse.
> > > >
> > > > as far as what is or is not selling out there on the market now, I
> > > > check the internet listings as well as ebay from time to time and i
> > > > dont really see very many nice, reasonable mileage destiny's on the
> > > > market.  i see far more concourse and glacier models listed.  now that
> > > > could be that chinook made far more of them than the destiny, i really
> > > > dont know.
> > > >
> > > > your best bet might be to keep looking for either model and find the
> > > > nicest one.
> > > >
> > > > good luck
> > > >
> > > > john hepkin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 9, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Clutterking SBC wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Bud,
> > > > >
> > > > > When we decided to buy a Chinook, we wanted either a Concourse or
> > > > > Premier, whichever we found first.
> > > > >
> > > > > Size was the biggest draw.  You can park them at home in the same
> > > > > space as any van and can use them around town, though a bit cramped
> > > > > for close parking.  The larger units would extend too far in a
> > > > > normal parking space and may overpower a residential driveway.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course, we previously owned a Roadtrek, so our Premier has a lot
> > > > > more elbow room.  I guess we'd be rattling around in a Destiny
> > > > > wondering who else to bring along :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > On space issues, we've noticed that the Premier bathroom is barely
> > > > > adequate, but private.  The aisles need cooperation when two people
> > > > > (or a person and a big dog) need to pass at the same time.  If the
> > > > > extra foot width in the Destiny gives more aisle space, that would
> > > > > be welcome.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is limited storage space to haul all the junk you don't need
> > > > > for a trip.  The closet is ok, but one can always use more - the
> > > > > Destiny appears to have a wider closet and additional pantry..
> > > > >
> > > > > I think they get around the same MPG (~10 city / ~12 hwy)?
> > > > >
> > > > > Now that we're used to the space we gained with the Premier, maybe
> > > > > we should take a look at some of the Destinys for sale?
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll be watching for Destiny owner's replies to your question.
> > > > >
> > > > > Don S
> > > > > 1999 Premier
> > > > > Dallas, TX
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > [mailto:ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bud
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:03 AM
> > > > > To: ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: [ChinookRVOwners] Destiny verses Concourse
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Can someone give me the pros and cons on these two? I know the
> > > > > Destiny is about a foot wider, is almost 3 feet longer and has a
> > > > > longer wheel base, thus roomier and more storage. But I see a half
> > > > > dozen or so that have been for sale a number of weeks and are still
> > > > > unsold. Is it the Chevy verse the Ford that makes them a turn off,
> > > > > the extra size making them less easy to park or handle or is it
> > > > > something else?
> > > > >
> > > > > Any insight will be helpful.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > Bud
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

I had already studied those pictures closely.  Head goes on the chair?

I've met others who do that.

I have removed the chairs and considered several solutions, including a single
bed type futon.

What I'd love to do is remove the couch and put in a Select Comfort single bed,
assuming it could be used for sitting during the day. My couch is in excellent
condition, and I think doing the bed would greatly reduce the value of the RV.

--pat



--- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, "Terry and Sally" <sba@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, "pat1missy" <patalexander99@> wrote:
> >
> > John:
> >
> > How do you make a queen size bed in the club chair model?
> >
> > --pat
> Pat, if you look at the pictures of my "bed extension", it'll get you withing
1/2" of a queen width.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, john hepkin <johnhepkin@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Bud
> > > I see you are still looking.
> > >
> > > I cant speak for the Concourse since I have never driven or used one.
> > > The smaller size seems to be a big plus as far as parking goes with
> > > several people.
> > >
> > > I decided on my destiny because I figured I could get a little more
> > > length and width for about the same price in the used rv market
> > > compared to the concourse.  I have the club chair model and the sofa
> > > bed makes up into a queen sized bed because of the extra width of the
> > > destiny.  It has a little more storage space and the shower/bath is a
> > > little larger; although still not large enough to really be considered
> > > a regular shower size.
> > >
> > > I live in a retirement community in aurora, co. and as with all of
> > > these type of communities, they have very strict zoning.  One
> > > restriction does not allow for the parking of any vehicle on the
> > > street/curb in front of houses overnite.  that pretty much shoots down
> > > parking my chinook in front of my house; however, they do allow me to
> > > park it in my driveway as long as it doesnt block the sidewalk and i
> > > can do that with my 24 ft. destiny.
> > >
> > > one other small thing is the spare tire is tucked away under the body
> > > and not on the rear like in the concourse.
> > >
> > > as far as what is or is not selling out there on the market now, I
> > > check the internet listings as well as ebay from time to time and i
> > > dont really see very many nice, reasonable mileage destiny's on the
> > > market.  i see far more concourse and glacier models listed.  now that
> > > could be that chinook made far more of them than the destiny, i really
> > > dont know.
> > >
> > > your best bet might be to keep looking for either model and find the
> > > nicest one.
> > >
> > > good luck
> > >
> > > john hepkin
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 9, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Clutterking SBC wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Bud,
> > > >
> > > > When we decided to buy a Chinook, we wanted either a Concourse or
> > > > Premier, whichever we found first.
> > > >
> > > > Size was the biggest draw.  You can park them at home in the same
> > > > space as any van and can use them around town, though a bit cramped
> > > > for close parking.  The larger units would extend too far in a
> > > > normal parking space and may overpower a residential driveway.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, we previously owned a Roadtrek, so our Premier has a lot
> > > > more elbow room.  I guess we'd be rattling around in a Destiny
> > > > wondering who else to bring along :-)
> > > >
> > > > On space issues, we've noticed that the Premier bathroom is barely
> > > > adequate, but private.  The aisles need cooperation when two people
> > > > (or a person and a big dog) need to pass at the same time.  If the
> > > > extra foot width in the Destiny gives more aisle space, that would
> > > > be welcome.
> > > >
> > > > There is limited storage space to haul all the junk you don't need
> > > > for a trip.  The closet is ok, but one can always use more - the
> > > > Destiny appears to have a wider closet and additional pantry..
> > > >
> > > > I think they get around the same MPG (~10 city / ~12 hwy)?
> > > >
> > > > Now that we're used to the space we gained with the Premier, maybe
> > > > we should take a look at some of the Destinys for sale?
> > > >
> > > > I'll be watching for Destiny owner's replies to your question.
> > > >
> > > > Don S
> > > > 1999 Premier
> > > > Dallas, TX
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bud
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:03 AM
> > > > To: ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [ChinookRVOwners] Destiny verses Concourse
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Can someone give me the pros and cons on these two? I know the
> > > > Destiny is about a foot wider, is almost 3 feet longer and has a
> > > > longer wheel base, thus roomier and more storage. But I see a half
> > > > dozen or so that have been for sale a number of weeks and are still
> > > > unsold. Is it the Chevy verse the Ford that makes them a turn off,
> > > > the extra size making them less easy to park or handle or is it
> > > > something else?
> > > >
> > > > Any insight will be helpful.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > Bud
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

74 x 56 is a queen size bed?  I'm missing something here.

--pat

--- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, john hepkin <johnhepkin@...> wrote:
>
> Pat
>
> If you compare the specs on the destiny and concourse models you see
> that the destiny has an exterior width of 8' 6" vs. 7' 7" in the
> concourse.
>
> That extra width translates into a larger sofa sleeper size in the
> destiny of 74" x56"  vs.  72" x  48".
>
> John
>
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 6:10 AM, pat1missy wrote:
>
> > John:
> >
> > How do you make a queen size bed in the club chair model?
> >
> > --pat
> >
> > --- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, john hepkin <johnhepkin@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Bud
> > > I see you are still looking.
> > >
> > > I cant speak for the Concourse since I have never driven or used
> > one.
> > > The smaller size seems to be a big plus as far as parking goes with
> > > several people.
> > >
> > > I decided on my destiny because I figured I could get a little more
> > > length and width for about the same price in the used rv market
> > > compared to the concourse. I have the club chair model and the sofa
> > > bed makes up into a queen sized bed because of the extra width of
> > the
> > > destiny. It has a little more storage space and the shower/bath is a
> > > little larger; although still not large enough to really be
> > considered
> > > a regular shower size.
> > >
> > > I live in a retirement community in aurora, co. and as with all of
> > > these type of communities, they have very strict zoning. One
> > > restriction does not allow for the parking of any vehicle on the
> > > street/curb in front of houses overnite. that pretty much shoots
> > down
> > > parking my chinook in front of my house; however, they do allow me
> > to
> > > park it in my driveway as long as it doesnt block the sidewalk and i
> > > can do that with my 24 ft. destiny.
> > >
> > > one other small thing is the spare tire is tucked away under the
> > body
> > > and not on the rear like in the concourse.
> > >
> > > as far as what is or is not selling out there on the market now, I
> > > check the internet listings as well as ebay from time to time and i
> > > dont really see very many nice, reasonable mileage destiny's on the
> > > market. i see far more concourse and glacier models listed. now that
> > > could be that chinook made far more of them than the destiny, i
> > really
> > > dont know.
> > >
> > > your best bet might be to keep looking for either model and find the
> > > nicest one.
> > >
> > > good luck
> > >
> > > john hepkin
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 9, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Clutterking SBC wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Bud,
> > > >
> > > > When we decided to buy a Chinook, we wanted either a Concourse or
> > > > Premier, whichever we found first.
> > > >
> > > > Size was the biggest draw. You can park them at home in the same
> > > > space as any van and can use them around town, though a bit
> > cramped
> > > > for close parking. The larger units would extend too far in a
> > > > normal parking space and may overpower a residential driveway.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, we previously owned a Roadtrek, so our Premier has a
> > lot
> > > > more elbow room. I guess we'd be rattling around in a Destiny
> > > > wondering who else to bring along :-)
> > > >
> > > > On space issues, we've noticed that the Premier bathroom is barely
> > > > adequate, but private. The aisles need cooperation when two people
> > > > (or a person and a big dog) need to pass at the same time. If the
> > > > extra foot width in the Destiny gives more aisle space, that would
> > > > be welcome.
> > > >
> > > > There is limited storage space to haul all the junk you don't need
> > > > for a trip. The closet is ok, but one can always use more - the
> > > > Destiny appears to have a wider closet and additional pantry..
> > > >
> > > > I think they get around the same MPG (~10 city / ~12 hwy)?
> > > >
> > > > Now that we're used to the space we gained with the Premier, maybe
> > > > we should take a look at some of the Destinys for sale?
> > > >
> > > > I'll be watching for Destiny owner's replies to your question.
> > > >
> > > > Don S
> > > > 1999 Premier
> > > > Dallas, TX
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bud
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:03 AM
> > > > To: ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [ChinookRVOwners] Destiny verses Concourse
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Can someone give me the pros and cons on these two? I know the
> > > > Destiny is about a foot wider, is almost 3 feet longer and has a
> > > > longer wheel base, thus roomier and more storage. But I see a half
> > > > dozen or so that have been for sale a number of weeks and are
> > still
> > > > unsold. Is it the Chevy verse the Ford that makes them a turn off,
> > > > the extra size making them less easy to park or handle or is it
> > > > something else?
> > > >
> > > > Any insight will be helpful.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > > Bud
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

--- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, "pat1missy" <patalexander99@...> wrote:
>
> John:
>
> How do you make a queen size bed in the club chair model?
>
> --pat
Pat, if you look at the pictures of my "bed extension", it'll get you withing
1/2" of a queen width.
>
>
>
> --- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, john hepkin <johnhepkin@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Bud
> > I see you are still looking.
> >
> > I cant speak for the Concourse since I have never driven or used one.
> > The smaller size seems to be a big plus as far as parking goes with
> > several people.
> >
> > I decided on my destiny because I figured I could get a little more
> > length and width for about the same price in the used rv market
> > compared to the concourse.  I have the club chair model and the sofa
> > bed makes up into a queen sized bed because of the extra width of the
> > destiny.  It has a little more storage space and the shower/bath is a
> > little larger; although still not large enough to really be considered
> > a regular shower size.
> >
> > I live in a retirement community in aurora, co. and as with all of
> > these type of communities, they have very strict zoning.  One
> > restriction does not allow for the parking of any vehicle on the
> > street/curb in front of houses overnite.  that pretty much shoots down
> > parking my chinook in front of my house; however, they do allow me to
> > park it in my driveway as long as it doesnt block the sidewalk and i
> > can do that with my 24 ft. destiny.
> >
> > one other small thing is the spare tire is tucked away under the body
> > and not on the rear like in the concourse.
> >
> > as far as what is or is not selling out there on the market now, I
> > check the internet listings as well as ebay from time to time and i
> > dont really see very many nice, reasonable mileage destiny's on the
> > market.  i see far more concourse and glacier models listed.  now that
> > could be that chinook made far more of them than the destiny, i really
> > dont know.
> >
> > your best bet might be to keep looking for either model and find the
> > nicest one.
> >
> > good luck
> >
> > john hepkin
> >
> >
> > On Nov 9, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Clutterking SBC wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Bud,
> > >
> > > When we decided to buy a Chinook, we wanted either a Concourse or
> > > Premier, whichever we found first.
> > >
> > > Size was the biggest draw.  You can park them at home in the same
> > > space as any van and can use them around town, though a bit cramped
> > > for close parking.  The larger units would extend too far in a
> > > normal parking space and may overpower a residential driveway.
> > >
> > > Of course, we previously owned a Roadtrek, so our Premier has a lot
> > > more elbow room.  I guess we'd be rattling around in a Destiny
> > > wondering who else to bring along :-)
> > >
> > > On space issues, we've noticed that the Premier bathroom is barely
> > > adequate, but private.  The aisles need cooperation when two people
> > > (or a person and a big dog) need to pass at the same time.  If the
> > > extra foot width in the Destiny gives more aisle space, that would
> > > be welcome.
> > >
> > > There is limited storage space to haul all the junk you don't need
> > > for a trip.  The closet is ok, but one can always use more - the
> > > Destiny appears to have a wider closet and additional pantry..
> > >
> > > I think they get around the same MPG (~10 city / ~12 hwy)?
> > >
> > > Now that we're used to the space we gained with the Premier, maybe
> > > we should take a look at some of the Destinys for sale?
> > >
> > > I'll be watching for Destiny owner's replies to your question.
> > >
> > > Don S
> > > 1999 Premier
> > > Dallas, TX
> > >
> > >
> > > From: ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bud
> > > Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:03 AM
> > > To: ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [ChinookRVOwners] Destiny verses Concourse
> > >
> > >
> > > Can someone give me the pros and cons on these two? I know the
> > > Destiny is about a foot wider, is almost 3 feet longer and has a
> > > longer wheel base, thus roomier and more storage. But I see a half
> > > dozen or so that have been for sale a number of weeks and are still
> > > unsold. Is it the Chevy verse the Ford that makes them a turn off,
> > > the extra size making them less easy to park or handle or is it
> > > something else?
> > >
> > > Any insight will be helpful.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Bud
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Does anyone carry golf clubs? If so, what are some alternatives for storing
them?!

John:

How do you make a queen size bed in the club chair model?

--pat



--- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, john hepkin <johnhepkin@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Bud
> I see you are still looking.
>
> I cant speak for the Concourse since I have never driven or used one.
> The smaller size seems to be a big plus as far as parking goes with
> several people.
>
> I decided on my destiny because I figured I could get a little more
> length and width for about the same price in the used rv market
> compared to the concourse.  I have the club chair model and the sofa
> bed makes up into a queen sized bed because of the extra width of the
> destiny.  It has a little more storage space and the shower/bath is a
> little larger; although still not large enough to really be considered
> a regular shower size.
>
> I live in a retirement community in aurora, co. and as with all of
> these type of communities, they have very strict zoning.  One
> restriction does not allow for the parking of any vehicle on the
> street/curb in front of houses overnite.  that pretty much shoots down
> parking my chinook in front of my house; however, they do allow me to
> park it in my driveway as long as it doesnt block the sidewalk and i
> can do that with my 24 ft. destiny.
>
> one other small thing is the spare tire is tucked away under the body
> and not on the rear like in the concourse.
>
> as far as what is or is not selling out there on the market now, I
> check the internet listings as well as ebay from time to time and i
> dont really see very many nice, reasonable mileage destiny's on the
> market.  i see far more concourse and glacier models listed.  now that
> could be that chinook made far more of them than the destiny, i really
> dont know.
>
> your best bet might be to keep looking for either model and find the
> nicest one.
>
> good luck
>
> john hepkin
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Clutterking SBC wrote:
>
> >
> > Bud,
> >
> > When we decided to buy a Chinook, we wanted either a Concourse or
> > Premier, whichever we found first.
> >
> > Size was the biggest draw.  You can park them at home in the same
> > space as any van and can use them around town, though a bit cramped
> > for close parking.  The larger units would extend too far in a
> > normal parking space and may overpower a residential driveway.
> >
> > Of course, we previously owned a Roadtrek, so our Premier has a lot
> > more elbow room.  I guess we'd be rattling around in a Destiny
> > wondering who else to bring along :-)
> >
> > On space issues, we've noticed that the Premier bathroom is barely
> > adequate, but private.  The aisles need cooperation when two people
> > (or a person and a big dog) need to pass at the same time.  If the
> > extra foot width in the Destiny gives more aisle space, that would
> > be welcome.
> >
> > There is limited storage space to haul all the junk you don't need
> > for a trip.  The closet is ok, but one can always use more - the
> > Destiny appears to have a wider closet and additional pantry..
> >
> > I think they get around the same MPG (~10 city / ~12 hwy)?
> >
> > Now that we're used to the space we gained with the Premier, maybe
> > we should take a look at some of the Destinys for sale?
> >
> > I'll be watching for Destiny owner's replies to your question.
> >
> > Don S
> > 1999 Premier
> > Dallas, TX
> >
> >
> > From: ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bud
> > Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:03 AM
> > To: ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [ChinookRVOwners] Destiny verses Concourse
> >
> >
> > Can someone give me the pros and cons on these two? I know the
> > Destiny is about a foot wider, is almost 3 feet longer and has a
> > longer wheel base, thus roomier and more storage. But I see a half
> > dozen or so that have been for sale a number of weeks and are still
> > unsold. Is it the Chevy verse the Ford that makes them a turn off,
> > the extra size making them less easy to park or handle or is it
> > something else?
> >
> > Any insight will be helpful.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Bud
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

One look at the bathroom in the Concourse, and I bought a Destiny off a
brochure.  Glacier didn't exist back then.

Some people have this Chevy Express Van as a van and love it.  Not sure what the
big deal is between the Chevy and Ford.

--pat

--- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, "Bud" <budbradley1@...> wrote:
>
> Can someone give me the pros and cons on these two? I know the Destiny is
about a foot wider, is almost 3 feet longer and has a longer wheel base, thus
roomier and more storage. But I see a half dozen or so that have been for sale a
number of weeks and are still unsold. Is it the Chevy verse the Ford that makes
them a turn off, the extra size making them less easy to park or handle or is it
something else?
>
> Any insight will be helpful.
>
> Thank you,
> Bud
>

--- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, "Terry and Sally" <sba@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, "George Poulsen" <ghpoulsen@> wrote:
> >
> > AND THE MODEL IS ... WHICH???
> >
> >
> >
> > From: ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry and Sally
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:29 PM
> > To: ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [ChinookRVOwners] Bed extension
> club seats, 97 Premier... This bench also makes east/west sleeping as one
night it was raining to hard to set up leveling blocks and the left side of the
coach was a good bit higher, so to keep our heads up, we slept that night with
our feet in the club chairs, worked great.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Used this little project on our last 10 day trip, and it worked out very
> > well. The extra 7.25" make the bed much more sleeper friendly. Some projects
> > posted here may be too difficult for some, but this one is a one star that
> > anybody can do. Dimensions may vary from coach to coach but I found the top
> > 1x8 pine board needed to be 63.5" and the two uprights to be 18.25". The
> > braces are 1x2 pine. Using these dimensions allow the bench to be folded up
> > and stored under the couch, along side the water tank.(if you wish to do
> > this project, you should measure the distance between the two steel legs
> > under the couch to make sure it will store properly) The two angle braces
> > that are used to stop the bench from folding up under use are held in place
> > using 5/16" dowels as pegs. The pegs remain in the 1x8 when you pull of the
> > braces for storage. I padded the top with a foam pad covered with vinyl but
> > you can get by without it. The photos should be pretty self explanitory.
> > Your home store can cut your 1x8, and then all you have to do is screw on
> > the hinges and drill the 5/16" holes to locate the pegs for the braces. I
> > placed a single dot on one brace and two dots on the other to id which brace
> > goes on which side when you assemble the bench. Sally and I have it down to
> > under 3 minutes going from living room to bedroom using the bench.
> >
>

--- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, "George Poulsen" <ghpoulsen@...> wrote:
>
> AND THE MODEL IS ... WHICH???
>
>
>
> From: ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry and Sally
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:29 PM
> To: ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ChinookRVOwners] Bed extension
club seats, 97 Premier
>
>
>
>
>
> Used this little project on our last 10 day trip, and it worked out very
> well. The extra 7.25" make the bed much more sleeper friendly. Some projects
> posted here may be too difficult for some, but this one is a one star that
> anybody can do. Dimensions may vary from coach to coach but I found the top
> 1x8 pine board needed to be 63.5" and the two uprights to be 18.25". The
> braces are 1x2 pine. Using these dimensions allow the bench to be folded up
> and stored under the couch, along side the water tank.(if you wish to do
> this project, you should measure the distance between the two steel legs
> under the couch to make sure it will store properly) The two angle braces
> that are used to stop the bench from folding up under use are held in place
> using 5/16" dowels as pegs. The pegs remain in the 1x8 when you pull of the
> braces for storage. I padded the top with a foam pad covered with vinyl but
> you can get by without it. The photos should be pretty self explanitory.
> Your home store can cut your 1x8, and then all you have to do is screw on
> the hinges and drill the 5/16" holes to locate the pegs for the braces. I
> placed a single dot on one brace and two dots on the other to id which brace
> goes on which side when you assemble the bench. Sally and I have it down to
> under 3 minutes going from living room to bedroom using the bench.
>

We have had numerous problems with some of the quick change places ie Walmart
etc.  Many workers are inexperienced and have done things incorrectly.  We took
our Pickup truck into Walmart this last time and they overfilled with oil to the
point that Larry had to remove some of it.  Overfilling can cause problems down
the line. They also said checking tires was part of the service and later we
found them to be terribly underinflated. It can be annoying that after you pay
for a service you have to be on top of things and recheck or there are problems
that can be serious.  Luanne

--- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, "George Poulsen" <ghpoulsen@...> wrote:
>
> I don't understand the issue---- I've used regular plain ol' everyday Kwik
> oil change places ever since I bot my unit....
>
>
>
> Same price as my cars +/- $40....
>
>
>
> George
>

Anytime you have a longer wheelbase you will have a better ride. However, we
love our Concourse and that V10 engine.  We found out it is so easy to change
the oil as that V10 oil filter just goes straight up into the engine from
beneath the unit. Also if you don't overload the Concourse, it is really spunky
and easy to handle.  We have it parked in our driveway and no problems.  We are
in the process of having a concret pad built alongside the house and tucking it
in there. I also like the way the bed lines up with the dinette seating thus
giving more options in sleeping arrangements. Luanne

--- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Burr <ksburr@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Bud
>  
> We had a Concourse before  we got our Destiny 2001 we like the Destiny very
much the first thing we noticed was how much better the ride is. Not as rough as
the Ford.
> The Chev that I have is the 8.1L do not get the Destiny with the smaller
engine.
> We also like the space in the RV. We have no problem with parking we mostly go
to a parking lot.
>
>  Ken Burr
>

Used this little project on our last 10 day trip, and it worked out very well. 
The extra 7.25" make the bed much more sleeper friendly.  Some projects posted
here may be too difficult for some, but this one is a one star that anybody can
do.  Dimensions may vary from coach to coach but I found the top 1x8 pine board
needed to be 63.5" and the two uprights to be 18.25".  The braces are 1x2 pine. 
Using these dimensions allow the bench to be folded up and stored under the
couch, along side the water tank.(if you wish to do this project, you should
measure the distance between the two steel legs under the couch to make sure it
will store properly)  The two angle braces that are used to stop the bench from
folding up under use are held in place using 5/16" dowels as pegs.  The pegs
remain in the 1x8 when you pull of the braces for storage.  I padded the top
with a foam pad covered with  vinyl but you can get by without it.  The photos
should be pretty self explanitory.  Your home store can cut your 1x8, and then
all you have to do is screw on the hinges and drill the 5/16" holes to locate
the pegs for the braces.  I placed a single dot on one brace and two dots on the
other to id which brace goes on which side when you assemble the bench.  Sally
and I have it down to under 3 minutes going from living room to bedroom using
the bench.

There can be some issues when changing to synmthetic on a high mileage
vehicle.  One of them is leakage from front and rear engine seals.  Over
time, with conventional oils, there is a buildup of residue on the shaft
where the seal is.  This buildup actually get thick enough to cause the
seal to be expanded somewhat.  When you change to synthetic, it will
clean this residue off.  However, often the seal which is old and not as
pliable as it was when new will not return to its original size right
away and you can get some oil leakage.  This is usually evident on the
front and rear crankshaft seals.  Usually, these seals will re-seal
after a short period, but in some cases, the seal may actually be worn
and will not return.  Then the seals would need to be replaced.  Al lot
has to do with what oil was used previously and how often it was
changed.

Otherwise, there are not any significant issues, however, on high
mileage engines it is a good idea to use a recommended crankcase cleaner
prior to changing over.  Follow directions meticulously and use a new
filter.  You should also change the first one or two fills of synthetic
at the normal interval to be sure that you get out all of the crud that
will be loosened up with the synthetic.

Steve


--- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, Azriel <brokenarrowflutes@...>
wrote:
>
> I am wondering, If you switch from regular oil to synthetic oil, do
you have
> to start with a mixed blend first. I have 115,000 miles on our 97 Ford
and
> have though about using either Castor high mile oil or possible going
to
> synthetic oil, any thoughts?
> Jack in Arkansas
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:02 PM, rvingtwo@... <
> rvingtwo@... wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I have used all the quickie places on the highway as well as long as
they
> > have the 12 foot bays. Some do not and I am 11 1/2 feet to the top
of my
> > satellite dome on top. Even back when we drove the big rig, we used
the
> > quickie change places all over the country. Today I tell them it is
a Ford
> > 350 VAN.....makes a difference in their attitude a lot of time.
> >
> > Incidentally up in Wyoming I was running out of options and went to
the
> > Ford dealership which had BIG trucks on the lot for sale.....they
told me
> > they didn't have bays high enough and didn't service Vans
anyway......went
> > down the road about a mile and there was one of the quick change
> > ones.....run by women! Since i try to use women owned businesses
when I can,
> > that was just perfect for me.....even was able to stay inside the
vehicle
> > (with 2 barking dogs).....
> >
> > In Helene MT went to quickie place and they had only one store with
the
> > high bay, but I practically got block by block directions to
it....and when
> > I got there, they had a very nice waiting room where I could keep
the dog in
> > a/cing along with a park 1/2 block away. They checked everything for
me and
> > changed/cleaned what needed doing as well. Very courteous and made
sure I
> > was "road ready" when I left at a very reasonable price.
> >
> > Good guys the world over, I think.
> >
> > Barb2
> >
> >
> > --- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com
<ChinookRVOwners%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Brent Clous b_clous@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Comment on oil
> > > I have a difficult time finding an oil change place while on the
road.
> > Even many RV places do not change oil. Then when you find one
$50-$60 and 2
> > hours later you're on the road. I am in Swansea Il and went to a
number of
> > locations to get an oil change, only to be rejected, then I was
directed to
> > a Daves Truck center and he said sure. $80 and 2 hours later a guy
crawled
> > under the chinook drained the oil changed the filter and dissmissed
me. Any
> > oil change place in the US could have done the same thing. They did
exactly
> > what I do at home. Has anyone found a reasonable solution.
> > > I feel screwed because I have a motorhome, I guess it just has to
cost
> > more. We're bigger and they just "see us coming"
> > > Oh well off to Graceland today.
> > > Brent Clous
> > > 1999 Priemer Ford
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

I have used all the quickie places on the highway as well as long as they have
the 12 foot bays.   Some do not and I am 11 1/2 feet to the top of my satellite
dome on top.   Even back when we drove the big rig, we used the quickie change
places all over the country.   Today I tell them it is a Ford 350 VAN.....makes
a difference in their attitude a lot of time.

Incidentally up in Wyoming I was running out of options and went to the Ford
dealership which had BIG trucks on the lot for sale.....they told me they didn't
have bays high enough and didn't service Vans anyway......went down the road
about a mile and there was one of the quick change ones.....run by women!  
Since i try to use women owned businesses when I can, that was just perfect for
me.....even was able to stay inside the vehicle (with 2 barking dogs).....

In Helene MT went to quickie place and they had only one store with the high
bay, but I practically got block by block directions to it....and when I got
there, they had a very nice waiting room where I could keep the dog in a/cing
along with a park 1/2 block away.   They checked everything for me and
changed/cleaned what needed doing as well.   Very courteous and made sure I was
"road ready" when I left at a very reasonable price.

Good guys the world over, I think.

Barb2

--- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, Brent Clous <b_clous@...> wrote:
>
> Comment on oil
>  I have a difficult time finding an oil change place while on the road. Even
many RV places do not change oil. Then when you find one $50-$60 and 2 hours
later you're on the road. I am in Swansea Il and went to a number of locations
to get an oil change, only to be rejected, then I was directed to a Daves Truck
center and he said sure. $80 and 2 hours later a guy crawled under the chinook
drained the oil changed the filter and dissmissed me.  Any oil change place in
the US could have done the same thing. They did exactly what I do at home. Has
anyone found a reasonable solution.
> I feel screwed because I have a motorhome, I guess it just has to cost more.
We're bigger and they just "see us coming"
> Oh well off to Graceland today.
> Brent Clous
> 1999 Priemer Ford
>

I have never been turned away from a quick oil change place, and I've stopped at
all brands of them from Canada to Florida, from NC to Texas. I just fold in the
mirrors and drive into the bay. I always stop at those which have a pit because
I have found many places which will not put my Concourse on a lift.

I don't think there's any difference in 5-20 oil from NAPA brand to Shell to
Havoline to Valvoline.

With reference to synthetics, my two cents worth: Why bother? We're using 5-20
oil, which is very thin, and our greatest danger is dirty oil, not viscosity.
Tolerances in the engine are very tight, and dirt is the enemy. It seems to me
that never exceeding 3,000 miles for oil and filter changes is much more
important than synthetic oil which would allow you to go longer, but at greater
risk.

Bob



--- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, "owlsinbog" <sseekins@...> wrote:
>
> As mentioned before - I go with AMSOIL 100% synthetic and don't worry about
changing it on the road - I have no problem with going 10,000 miles between
changes as long as you use a good quality filter (NOT FRAMS!).  I use Mann
filters or OEM Ford.  Most of the others are trash (Purolator, etc.).  I had a
turbo Volvo for many years and at one point ran the AMSOIL for 150,000 miles. 
Of course I had a bypass oil filter system, changed the full-flow filter every
5,000 miles and had the oil tested every 10,000 miles.  Based on that experience
and my data, I am very comfortable with 10,000 mile change intervals and
standard filters.  I also use synthetic transmission fluid and differential oil.
Tranny runs much cooler - even in the mountains and desert and I have never had
a problem with burned fluid.
>
> Steve
>
> --- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, Brent Clous <b_clous@> wrote:
> >
> > Comment on oil
> >  I have a difficult time finding an oil change place while on the road. Even
many RV places do not change oil. Then when you find one $50-$60 and 2 hours
later you're on the road. I am in Swansea Il and went to a number of locations
to get an oil change, only to be rejected, then I was directed to a Daves Truck
center and he said sure. $80 and 2 hours later a guy crawled under the chinook
drained the oil changed the filter and dissmissed me.  Any oil change place in
the US could have done the same thing. They did exactly what I do at home. Has
anyone found a reasonable solution.
> > I feel screwed because I have a motorhome, I guess it just has to cost more.
We're bigger and they just "see us coming"
> > Oh well off to Graceland today.
> > Brent Clous
> > 1999 Priemer Ford
> >
>

As mentioned before - I go with AMSOIL 100% synthetic and don't worry about
changing it on the road - I have no problem with going 10,000 miles between
changes as long as you use a good quality filter (NOT FRAMS!).  I use Mann
filters or OEM Ford.  Most of the others are trash (Purolator, etc.).  I had a
turbo Volvo for many years and at one point ran the AMSOIL for 150,000 miles. 
Of course I had a bypass oil filter system, changed the full-flow filter every
5,000 miles and had the oil tested every 10,000 miles.  Based on that experience
and my data, I am very comfortable with 10,000 mile change intervals and
standard filters.  I also use synthetic transmission fluid and differential oil.
Tranny runs much cooler - even in the mountains and desert and I have never had
a problem with burned fluid.

Steve

--- In ChinookRVOwners@yahoogroups.com, Brent Clous <b_clous@...> wrote:
>
> Comment on oil
>  I have a difficult time finding an oil change place while on the road. Even
many RV places do not change oil. Then when you find one $50-$60 and 2 hours
later you're on the road. I am in Swansea Il and went to a number of locations
to get an oil change, only to be rejected, then I was directed to a Daves Truck
center and he said sure. $80 and 2 hours later a guy crawled under the chinook
drained the oil changed the filter and dissmissed me.  Any oil change place in
the US could have done the same thing. They did exactly what I do at home. Has
anyone found a reasonable solution.
> I feel screwed because I have a motorhome, I guess it just has to cost more.
We're bigger and they just "see us coming"
> Oh well off to Graceland today.
> Brent Clous
> 1999 Priemer Ford
>

Can someone give me the pros and cons on these two? I know the Destiny is about
a foot wider, is almost 3 feet longer and has a longer wheel base, thus roomier
and more storage. But I see a half dozen or so that have been for sale a number
of weeks and are still unsold. Is it the Chevy verse the Ford that makes them a
turn off, the extra size making them less easy to park or handle or is it
something else?

Any insight will be helpful.

Thank you,
Bud