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"Analysis,Mr.Spock"....A/C NOT COOLING! (SOMEWHAT)   Message List  
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Re: "Analysis,Mr.Spock"....A/C NOT COOLING! (SOMEWHAT)

Here are some things to check:
1. Use your hand to feel the temperature of the low pressure return line. That
is the metal pipe with the muffler in it. It is on top of the engine
compartment on the drivers side. There is a Schrader valve on that line. With
the a/c set on maximum cool, that line should feel cold. If that line is cold,
then your evaporator coil is probably cold also. So the problem is probably
with the air ducts or maybe with the hot water cut off valve.

If that line is warm, then you have a problem concerning the refrigerant side of
things.

It's not a good idea to run the A/C system for too long if that low pressure
pipe is not cold. You could have a restriction in the line somewhere that is
not allowing the refrigerant to flow. This would also stop the lubricating oil
from flowing through the system so your compressor might not be getting enough
oil. Also the low temperature refrigerant is supposed to be flowing into the
compressor to help cool it.

2. See if the A/C compressor is running. The center part of the A/C pulley
should be turning, probably need a good flashlight to see this. That is the
clutch for the compressor. If only the outer part of the pulley is turning then
the compressor is not running. Usually this is caused by not having enough
refrigerant in the system to trigger the low pressure sensor.

3. If the A/C compressor is running, carefully check the temperature of the high
side pipe. There are two metal tubes going into the compressor. The larger one
is the low pressure return line. The smaller one is the high pressure line
going to the receiver/dryer mounted behind the front grill. Watch out for
moving parts like belts, pulleys and fan blades. Touch the high side pipe near
the compressor, it should be very hot. If it is, then your compressor is
probably working ok. If it is not hot, then maybe your compressor is broken, or
maybe there is not enough refrigerant in your system.

4. Check the temperature of the receiver/dryer. Remove the four screws that
hold the front grill. The receiver/dryer should be near the left side
headlight. The receiver/dryer and the pipes going into and out of it should be
warm. If any part is cold, then you have a restriction in the receiver/dryer or
in the high pressure line.

5. Check the temperature of the high pressure lines. All of the high side of
the system should feel hot or warm. All of the low pressure side should feel
cold or cool. The expansion valve separates the high pressure side from the low
pressure side. The expansion valve is mounted on the evaporator coil inside the
passenger compartment. So the high pressure lines that go from the condenser
coil in front of the radiator and back to the firewall should feel warm. If any
part of the high pressure line feels cold, then you have a restriction at that
point.

6. Check that the radiator fans come on. This blows air across the condenser
coil in front of the radiator. It removes heat from the refrigerant and causes
it to change from a gas to a liquid.

7. If everything checks out ok, except that the low pressure pipe is not cold,
then here are some possibilities:
a. Not enough refrigerant.
b. Too much refrigerant.
c. Expansion valve is restricted.

Let us know what you find.
Terry


--- In CateraOwners@yahoogroups.com, jbeardjr@... wrote:
>
> Terry,
>
> I'll run those checks for a major temp drop,but can tell you that I'm not
'seeing' nearly that much of a reduction,humidity notwithstanding.
>
> So, what would preveent a fully charged,pressurized system from cooling
efficiently?
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: trwong2000 <trwong2000@...>
> To: CateraOwners@...
> Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 1:18:50 AM
> Subject: [CateraOwners] Re: "Analysis,Mr.Spock"....A/C NOT COOLING! (SOMEWHAT)
>
>
>
>
>
> I keep an instant read pocket thermometer with a 1" diameter dial inserted
into the center vent of every car that I have. The thermometers are about $3 at
Harbor Freight Tools.
>
> With the blower fan on high and the air coming from outside (not on
recirculate) you should get about a 35° temperature drop. In other words, if
the outside air temperature is 85° you should get 50° or lower out of the
center vent. A really great air conditioner system can achieve a 50°
temperature drop.
>
> With an outside air temperature of 80° and the fan set on LOW SPEED on my 97
Catera I can get an outlet temperature of 27°. All of the above temperatures
are assuming a relative humidity of 30% to 40%. If your humidity is higher, you
won't get as much cooling.
>
> Terry
>
> --- In CateraOwners@ yahoogroups. com, jbeardjr@ wrote:
> >
> > John W.
> >
> > I plan to se my temp gun to check the maximum cool temp coming out of my
a/c; I feel that the coolder the air, the quicker the cool,no matter the
heat.But if it isn't 'cold', then the temp drop is less,and takes longer to
cool.
> >
> > Granted, I have no tint, but my '95 240 SX gets cold even w/o tint on the
same days!
> > In all, I feel the system should perform better, hence need ideas on
possible problems,solutions.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > John B.
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: John Williams <john05636@ ..>
> > To: CateraOwners@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 11:57:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [CateraOwners] "Analysis,Mr. Spock"... .A/C NOT COOLING!
(SOMEWHAT)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > i just did the a/c�recharge and mine don't seem cold but is cool on hot
days�over 90 and i use the reciclate mode so no hot air can come in next is
window tint� 15% should drop it even more! i�ran my a/c this morning and
froze me out! but it�was 84 not 94?
> > �
> > John Williams.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: "Pernesky, Dave" <dave.pernesky@ safholland. com>
> > To: CateraOwners@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 7:08:37 AM
> > Subject: RE: [CateraOwners] "Analysis,Mr. Spock"... .A/C NOT COOLING!
(SOMEWHAT)
> >
> >
> > Have you made sure that the air duct vent (outside)is closed so the cabin
air is recalculating?
> > �
> > David
> > �
> > From:CateraOwners@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:CateraOwner s@yahoogroups. com]
On Behalf Of John
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:33 AM
> > To: CateraOwners@ yahoogroups. com
> > Subject: [CateraOwners] "Analysis,Mr. Spock"....A/ C NOT COOLING! (SOMEWHAT)
> > �
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Guys, need your collective thoughts....
> >
> > Got my a/c system recharged after compressor replacement, but since then,it
doesn't seem to cool as 'cold' as before.The amount of refrigerant, I/O
pressures ,ect all are correct;changed the dryer/ accumulator, oriface
tube....but still, with this hot,humid SE TX heat, I'm barly staying cool.
> > After a long drive, 20 miles or so, it starts to seem like its breaking the
temp down,but just enough to keep the windows up,know what I mean?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your input.
> >
> > John
> >
>





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Guys, need your collective thoughts.... Got my a/c system recharged after compressor replacement, but since then,it doesn't seem to cool as 'cold' as...
John
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Jul 7, 2009
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Have you made sure that the air duct vent (outside)is closed so the cabin air is recalculating? David From: CateraOwners@yahoogroups.com...
Pernesky, Dave
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Jul 7, 2009
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That should have been recirculating. From: CateraOwners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CateraOwners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pernesky, Dave Sent: Tuesday, July...
Pernesky, Dave
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Jul 7, 2009
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Dave, If you're refering to is the button on the a/c controls,that switches fron 'regular' a/c to 'maximum', re:recirculate, I use it bt results the same. How...
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Jul 8, 2009
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John, Unfortunately I have not personally tore into the venting system in the Catera. I was talking more in general terms. There is a vent/flaper (in all...
Pernesky, Dave
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Jul 9, 2009
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Thanks David, that's good info, logical places to look for problems. Anyone got diagrams of the vent/duct airflow setup? Thanks for your help, John ...
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jbeardjr
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Jul 9, 2009
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i just did the a/c recharge and mine don't seem cold but is cool on hot days over 90 and i use the reciclate mode so no hot air can come in next is window...
John Williams
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I forget which years got the E-Glass/solar wind shield? However, its suppose to make a 10 degree difference. I know 2001 has the E-Glass/solar wind shield. ...
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John W. I plan to se my temp gun to check the maximum cool temp coming out of my a/c; I feel that the coolder the air, the quicker the cool,no matter the...
jbeardjr@...
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I keep an instant read pocket thermometer with a 1" diameter dial inserted into the center vent of every car that I have. The thermometers are about $3 at...
trwong2000
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Jul 9, 2009
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Terry, I'll run those checks for a major temp drop,but can tell you that I'm not 'seeing' nearly that much of a reduction,humidity notwithstanding. So, what...
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Here are some things to check: 1. Use your hand to feel the temperature of the low pressure return line. That is the metal pipe with the muffler in it. It is...
trwong2000
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Jul 9, 2009
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'As usual, Mr. Spock, your analysis is excellent." Thanks, and will post my findings ASAP. John ________________________________ From: trwong2000...
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jbeardjr
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Jul 9, 2009
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I'm just an amateur mechanic but I have a little experience working on A/C systems on my own cars. Here are a few things to check: 1. Did you try...
trwong2000
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Jul 7, 2009
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Good ideas, Terry! BTW, how do you re-scync the  servos? I've had problems before ,when they would no send air to the proper outlet as selected on the a/c...
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jbeardjr
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Jul 8, 2009
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... With the key in the On position, simultaneously press the Auto and Off buttons on the climate control head for 5 seconds....
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Thanks, Mr. Gecko! John ________________________________ From: gord_gecko <gord_gecko@...> To: CateraOwners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2009...
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jbeardjr
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Jul 9, 2009
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I put in a 12 oz can, after 8 years of no problems. I'm in Texas too and this is certainly a brutal summer. The auto zone guy told me to put it in as liquid....
Frank Triana
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Jul 8, 2009
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Frank, I plan to check the coolant load in my system to see if the amount of gas vs. liquid is an issue, and that the system ids fully loaded. Where are you in...
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Jul 8, 2009
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John, I'm in Dallas, or at least 10 miles away. Good luck with the A/C, this seems to be the summer from hell. 102 on my way home today, just can't wait to see...
Frank Triana
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Frank, I'll take the heat any day; just no more hurricanes!All the evacs, refinery shut downs, lack of services and living like a primitive has gotten old! ...
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My high side had a little leak, and when I checked low side pressure it started leaking. So, I recently replaced both service port valves. The low side is a...
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Thanks Rob; will check the valves,system for leaks. John ________________________________ From: "robertconant@..." <robertconant@...> To:...
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