I am 23 and i bought my bike this year.








--- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com, "Jeremy M. Tennis" <jtennis@...>
wrote:
>
> I’m 27 now, bought my GC when I was 23. Do I win as youngest owner on the
list? haha
>
>
>
> -Jeremy Tennis
>
> Novel Iron Works
>
>
>
> From: Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of julien collet
> Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 3:53 AM
> To: Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re : Re : [Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2] Re: if you didn't have a Gran
Canyon...
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes she is young but not so far from my age! but true, if you are 50+, she
could be your daughter... Every owner of a Gran Canyon are not necessarily that
old!
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> De : David Svoboda <dsvo@...>
> À : Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com
> Envoyé le : Mer 18 Novembre 2009, 19 h 17 min 40 s
> Objet : Re: Re : [Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2] Re: if you didn't have a Gran Canyon...
>
>
>
> A little girl?
>
> - Dave
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: julien collet <julien1a@yahoo. com>
>
> the MV agusta girl was... well i let you judge...
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Add me to list.

Andrew

--- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com, "jrace85" <jtennis@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> November is here and the time has come to start some work on my GC. I am going
to be fabricating a center stand for myself and anyone else who definitely wants
one. I want to keep the cost down as low as possible, I'd like them to cost
lower than $300 shipped in the U.S. The more I make the cheaper they will be.
This list is for me to get a real number of interested people so I know about
how much material I'm going to need and to start calculating costs and time to
fab. My plan is to have some ready to ship by January(ish). I'm going to make
mine first, post pics of it, then take orders. I will then make an official list
from this unofficial list. =)
>
> You can e-mail me directly or leave a message here. Full name and E-mail or
phone number please.
>
> So who wants one?
>
>
> -Jeremy
>

Guys,

In the absence of a manual, can anyone please tell me what the
standard tyre pressures are please?

I've had the bike since march, so figured it's about time I checked
them!

Thanks,

Nik

AWESOME TOM! THANKS!

Got any .bin files you want to share?

--- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com, "vesta00" <tjsteinauer@...> wrote:
>
> I uploaded the TunerPro translation file to the "Files" section.  Hope it
works!
> Tom
>
> --- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com, "Jeremy M. Tennis" <jtennis@>
wrote:
> >
> > Tom,
> >
> >
> >
> > Can I ask what software you used to see the info on the chip? (is it a
> > .bin file?) and where did you (could I) get it?
> >
> > Or are you looking at the raw code?
> >
> >
> >
> > I drag race my GC and I would love to be able to tune it to use a higher
> > octane fuel and lower my rev limit a bit to about 8500, a couple of full
> > throttle missed shifts and I found the GC's rev limiter is set at about
> > 9500, too high for my tastes. ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > I've tuned quite a few Honda ECU's but use a tuning software(crome , it
> > uses a .bin file) and have never had to deal with raw code nor could I
> > probably. I have the ability to burn and read eprom chips with my
> > reader/burner.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's an example of what I'm talking about, this is a stock tune(very
> > conservative) from a 95 Honda Civic DX non Vtec motor.
> >
> >
> >
> > This is the fuel table, rpm goes down the left column, absolute manifold
> > pressure(Honda uses a MAP sensor) is across the top.
> >
> > Values in the table is injector pulse width in milliseconds.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > This is an ignition table.
> >
> > Rpm and manifold pressure is the same as above.
> >
> > Values in this table is ignition timing in degrees BTDC, a negative
> > value is after TDC
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I street tune instead of dyno tune mainly cause I don't have a dyno =),
> > Data logging engine parameters( with a wide band O2 installed vs a
> > narrow band to read a/f ratios) directly into my laptop from the ECU. I
> > can log for 30 minutes and have the ability to see data in real time
> > too. Soon I will have the ability to tune realtime from the passenger
> > seat as someone drives, changing ignition and fuel tables on the fly.
> > Very cool stuff.
> >
> > The software also has the ability to compensate for temperature and cold
> > starts, change rev limiters, and has launch control abilities. Launch
> > control is used for drag racing. It basically has a low rev limit until
> > the ECU sees a signal from the speed sensor so you can launch at full
> > throttle. (which would be very fun on the GC) J
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Jeremy Tennis
> >
> > Novel Iron Works
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of vesta00
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:34 AM
> > To: Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2] Re: FBF Chip... Installation Procedure???
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, maps on these chips include the ignition map which is tuneable. I
> > have not yet dabbled in that realm due to no major changes to my engine
> > tune, but also because of limited access to a dyno and wideband O2
> > sensor.
> >
> > --- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2%40yahoogroups.com> , "jrace85" <jtennis@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Just one question, can you tune the ignition maps through the ECU? as
> > in, is it possible and can YOU(Tom) do it and have you?
> > > Just curious. =)
> > >
> > > -Jeremy
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2%40yahoogroups.com> , "vesta00"
> > <tjsteinauer@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sorry to hear about all the problems and sorry I didn't post sooner.
> > I have decoded the stock and FBF chips for our bikes and it shows the
> > FBF chip is the stock chip with an added flat amount of fuel from around
> > 2k RPM to redline at all throttle positions (not a percentage, a flat
> > amount). In other words, they didn't really tune much. I don't have the
> > numbers with me right now, but if someone is interested in the exact
> > dwell time change and the RPM it happens at, I can dig it up. Below 2K
> > RPM the map is identical to stock. I would suggest everyone save their
> > money and have your bike tuned to the exhaust with the stock chip.
> > > > I've also dynoed the bike with stock cans, chip, airbox cover (BMC
> > air filter), then dynoed it 1 hour later on the same dyno with FBF cans
> > & chip, stock airbox cover and BMC Airfilter. If I remember right, there
> > was a 3 hp gain, 5 ft-lbs torque gain.
> > > > Since all this I've been burning chips for fuel economy...getting
> > about 45mpg (350km when fuel light turns on) on mixed highway/in town
> > riding. This is with 16-tooth front sprocket, FBF cans, opened-up airbox
> > cover, BMC air filter, and short wind-screen.
> > > > Hope this helps.
> > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2%40yahoogroups.com> , "sssankar73"
> > <sssankar73@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It looks like the FBF chip is faulty. I've tried installing it
> > both ways today. Normally with the stock chip when we turn on the key
> > switch we should be able to hear the fuel pump valve open and close. But
> > when I tried it with the FBF chip nothing happened. I replaced the FBF
> > chip with the stock chip and it was back to normal.
> > > > >
> > > > > The ebay seller has not replied to my email til now. So this means
> > I wasted my hard earned money and he took my money and just gets a
> > negative rating... :-(
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2%40yahoogroups.com> , Mike Zeman <zehoo@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When I bought my GC, it had the FBF cans, a K&N air filter with
> > the
> > > > > > open cover, and the stock chip, it backfired like crazy on
> > > > > > deceleration, and wasn't very responsive off idle, When I put
> > the FBF
> > > > > > chip in, I had the same problem you are having, fuel pump didn't
> > come
> > > > > > on and bike cranked, but would not start, I then realized I put
> > the
> > > > > > chip in backwards, the writing on the FBF chip is upside down
> > compared
> > > > > > to the stock chip, I pulled it out, turned it over and the bike
> > started
> > > > > > right up. There is a little notch in the end of the chip, make
> > sure the
> > > > > > notch is pointing the right way. When the bike started the
> > difference
> > > > > > was immediate, the bike started easier, sounded better at idle,
> > and was
> > > > > > way more responsive off idle, the hickups between 3000 and
> > 4000rpm were
> > > > > > gone, and no backfiring at all on deceleration.
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > >  Sorry for the double post, the first time I posted this, the
> > subject came out "unknown"
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Both of those bikes look nice and have potential, but I am not sure why the
manufacturers are reluctant to use 19" front wheels?  Then you truly would have
an all-rounder... like the GC.

--- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" <mb4807@...> wrote:
>
> I've just come back from the Milan motorcycle show and the launch of the
Ducati Multistrada 1200. That would be very close to a modern day GC and a
tempting buy if I were a wealthy man, but for me, the bike at the show that most
closely relates to what I use my GC for and what I would probably buy if I had
the cash is the KTM 990 SMT. I've never before sat on a bike that just feels so
right, right from the off. Looks like a friend of mine might be buying one of
those two bikes, so maybe I'll get a chance of a ride next year...

I've just come back from the Milan motorcycle show and the launch of the Ducati
Multistrada 1200. That would be very close to a modern day GC and a tempting buy
if I were a wealthy man, but for me, the bike at the show that most closely
relates to what I use my GC for and what I would probably buy if I had the cash
is the KTM 990 SMT. I've never before sat on a bike that just feels so right,
right from the off. Looks like a friend of mine might be buying one of those two
bikes, so maybe I'll get a chance of a ride next year...

--- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com, Brian Zooom <zooomgovroom@...>
wrote:
>
> ...and/or Cagiva hadn't made the bike at all...what would you have in it's
> place, speculatively?
>
> I am thinking the Honda Transalp or a Yamaha TDM850. I am guesing I just
> have a thing for weird/unusual usable bikes that can do more than people
> think generally speaking.
>
> --
>  from www.textsfromlastnight.com
>  "(949): Did you know that at any given time there are 46,948,952 drunk
> people in the world? Were not alone! "
>

Hi all,

Do anyone know if there is a replacement for the chain slider on the swingarm?

Either,

you could have modified one from another bike that can fit on the GC?

or

you have managed to make one yourself that I can look at to make one myself?

Thanks,

Sankar.

I uploaded the TunerPro translation file to the "Files" section.  Hope it works!
Tom

--- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com, "Jeremy M. Tennis" <jtennis@...>
wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
>
>
> Can I ask what software you used to see the info on the chip? (is it a
> .bin file?) and where did you (could I) get it?
>
> Or are you looking at the raw code?
>
>
>
> I drag race my GC and I would love to be able to tune it to use a higher
> octane fuel and lower my rev limit a bit to about 8500, a couple of full
> throttle missed shifts and I found the GC's rev limiter is set at about
> 9500, too high for my tastes. ;)
>
>
>
> I've tuned quite a few Honda ECU's but use a tuning software(crome , it
> uses a .bin file) and have never had to deal with raw code nor could I
> probably. I have the ability to burn and read eprom chips with my
> reader/burner.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Here's an example of what I'm talking about, this is a stock tune(very
> conservative) from a 95 Honda Civic DX non Vtec motor.
>
>
>
> This is the fuel table, rpm goes down the left column, absolute manifold
> pressure(Honda uses a MAP sensor) is across the top.
>
> Values in the table is injector pulse width in milliseconds.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This is an ignition table.
>
> Rpm and manifold pressure is the same as above.
>
> Values in this table is ignition timing in degrees BTDC, a negative
> value is after TDC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I street tune instead of dyno tune mainly cause I don't have a dyno =),
> Data logging engine parameters( with a wide band O2 installed vs a
> narrow band to read a/f ratios) directly into my laptop from the ECU. I
> can log for 30 minutes and have the ability to see data in real time
> too. Soon I will have the ability to tune realtime from the passenger
> seat as someone drives, changing ignition and fuel tables on the fly.
> Very cool stuff.
>
> The software also has the ability to compensate for temperature and cold
> starts, change rev limiters, and has launch control abilities. Launch
> control is used for drag racing. It basically has a low rev limit until
> the ECU sees a signal from the speed sensor so you can launch at full
> throttle. (which would be very fun on the GC) J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Jeremy Tennis
>
> Novel Iron Works
>
>
>
> From: Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of vesta00
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:34 AM
> To: Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2] Re: FBF Chip... Installation Procedure???
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, maps on these chips include the ignition map which is tuneable. I
> have not yet dabbled in that realm due to no major changes to my engine
> tune, but also because of limited access to a dyno and wideband O2
> sensor.
>
> --- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2%40yahoogroups.com> , "jrace85" <jtennis@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Just one question, can you tune the ignition maps through the ECU? as
> in, is it possible and can YOU(Tom) do it and have you?
> > Just curious. =)
> >
> > -Jeremy
> >
> >
> > --- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2%40yahoogroups.com> , "vesta00"
> <tjsteinauer@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry to hear about all the problems and sorry I didn't post sooner.
> I have decoded the stock and FBF chips for our bikes and it shows the
> FBF chip is the stock chip with an added flat amount of fuel from around
> 2k RPM to redline at all throttle positions (not a percentage, a flat
> amount). In other words, they didn't really tune much. I don't have the
> numbers with me right now, but if someone is interested in the exact
> dwell time change and the RPM it happens at, I can dig it up. Below 2K
> RPM the map is identical to stock. I would suggest everyone save their
> money and have your bike tuned to the exhaust with the stock chip.
> > > I've also dynoed the bike with stock cans, chip, airbox cover (BMC
> air filter), then dynoed it 1 hour later on the same dyno with FBF cans
> & chip, stock airbox cover and BMC Airfilter. If I remember right, there
> was a 3 hp gain, 5 ft-lbs torque gain.
> > > Since all this I've been burning chips for fuel economy...getting
> about 45mpg (350km when fuel light turns on) on mixed highway/in town
> riding. This is with 16-tooth front sprocket, FBF cans, opened-up airbox
> cover, BMC air filter, and short wind-screen.
> > > Hope this helps.
> > > Tom
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2%40yahoogroups.com> , "sssankar73"
> <sssankar73@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It looks like the FBF chip is faulty. I've tried installing it
> both ways today. Normally with the stock chip when we turn on the key
> switch we should be able to hear the fuel pump valve open and close. But
> when I tried it with the FBF chip nothing happened. I replaced the FBF
> chip with the stock chip and it was back to normal.
> > > >
> > > > The ebay seller has not replied to my email til now. So this means
> I wasted my hard earned money and he took my money and just gets a
> negative rating... :-(
> > > >
> > > > --- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2%40yahoogroups.com> , Mike Zeman <zehoo@>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > When I bought my GC, it had the FBF cans, a K&N air filter with
> the
> > > > > open cover, and the stock chip, it backfired like crazy on
> > > > > deceleration, and wasn't very responsive off idle, When I put
> the FBF
> > > > > chip in, I had the same problem you are having, fuel pump didn't
> come
> > > > > on and bike cranked, but would not start, I then realized I put
> the
> > > > > chip in backwards, the writing on the FBF chip is upside down
> compared
> > > > > to the stock chip, I pulled it out, turned it over and the bike
> started
> > > > > right up. There is a little notch in the end of the chip, make
> sure the
> > > > > notch is pointing the right way. When the bike started the
> difference
> > > > > was immediate, the bike started easier, sounded better at idle,
> and was
> > > > > way more responsive off idle, the hickups between 3000 and
> 4000rpm were
> > > > > gone, and no backfiring at all on deceleration.
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >  Sorry for the double post, the first time I posted this, the
> subject came out "unknown"
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Hey Jeff,
I use TunerPro freeware for tuning and Flash and Burn freeware for burning the
chip.  The data files are .bin type.  TunerPro needs a translator file (.xdf) to
make the chip data make sense.  I will upload it to the database.  "TOMS.XDF"
That should set you right up.  Let us know how it goes, and if you need any
help.
Tom

--- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com, "Jeremy M. Tennis" <jtennis@...>
wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
>
>
> Can I ask what software you used to see the info on the chip? (is it a
> .bin file?) and where did you (could I) get it?
>
> Or are you looking at the raw code?
>
>
>
> I drag race my GC and I would love to be able to tune it to use a higher
> octane fuel and lower my rev limit a bit to about 8500, a couple of full
> throttle missed shifts and I found the GC's rev limiter is set at about
> 9500, too high for my tastes. ;)
>
>
>
> I've tuned quite a few Honda ECU's but use a tuning software(crome , it
> uses a .bin file) and have never had to deal with raw code nor could I
> probably. I have the ability to burn and read eprom chips with my
> reader/burner.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Here's an example of what I'm talking about, this is a stock tune(very
> conservative) from a 95 Honda Civic DX non Vtec motor.
>
>
>
> This is the fuel table, rpm goes down the left column, absolute manifold
> pressure(Honda uses a MAP sensor) is across the top.
>
> Values in the table is injector pulse width in milliseconds.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This is an ignition table.
>
> Rpm and manifold pressure is the same as above.
>
> Values in this table is ignition timing in degrees BTDC, a negative
> value is after TDC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I street tune instead of dyno tune mainly cause I don't have a dyno =),
> Data logging engine parameters( with a wide band O2 installed vs a
> narrow band to read a/f ratios) directly into my laptop from the ECU. I
> can log for 30 minutes and have the ability to see data in real time
> too. Soon I will have the ability to tune realtime from the passenger
> seat as someone drives, changing ignition and fuel tables on the fly.
> Very cool stuff.
>
> The software also has the ability to compensate for temperature and cold
> starts, change rev limiters, and has launch control abilities. Launch
> control is used for drag racing. It basically has a low rev limit until
> the ECU sees a signal from the speed sensor so you can launch at full
> throttle. (which would be very fun on the GC) J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Jeremy Tennis
>
> Novel Iron Works
>
>
>
> From: Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of vesta00
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:34 AM
> To: Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2] Re: FBF Chip... Installation Procedure???
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, maps on these chips include the ignition map which is tuneable. I
> have not yet dabbled in that realm due to no major changes to my engine
> tune, but also because of limited access to a dyno and wideband O2
> sensor.
>
> --- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2%40yahoogroups.com> , "jrace85" <jtennis@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Just one question, can you tune the ignition maps through the ECU? as
> in, is it possible and can YOU(Tom) do it and have you?
> > Just curious. =)
> >
> > -Jeremy
> >
> >
> > --- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2%40yahoogroups.com> , "vesta00"
> <tjsteinauer@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry to hear about all the problems and sorry I didn't post sooner.
> I have decoded the stock and FBF chips for our bikes and it shows the
> FBF chip is the stock chip with an added flat amount of fuel from around
> 2k RPM to redline at all throttle positions (not a percentage, a flat
> amount). In other words, they didn't really tune much. I don't have the
> numbers with me right now, but if someone is interested in the exact
> dwell time change and the RPM it happens at, I can dig it up. Below 2K
> RPM the map is identical to stock. I would suggest everyone save their
> money and have your bike tuned to the exhaust with the stock chip.
> > > I've also dynoed the bike with stock cans, chip, airbox cover (BMC
> air filter), then dynoed it 1 hour later on the same dyno with FBF cans
> & chip, stock airbox cover and BMC Airfilter. If I remember right, there
> was a 3 hp gain, 5 ft-lbs torque gain.
> > > Since all this I've been burning chips for fuel economy...getting
> about 45mpg (350km when fuel light turns on) on mixed highway/in town
> riding. This is with 16-tooth front sprocket, FBF cans, opened-up airbox
> cover, BMC air filter, and short wind-screen.
> > > Hope this helps.
> > > Tom
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2%40yahoogroups.com> , "sssankar73"
> <sssankar73@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It looks like the FBF chip is faulty. I've tried installing it
> both ways today. Normally with the stock chip when we turn on the key
> switch we should be able to hear the fuel pump valve open and close. But
> when I tried it with the FBF chip nothing happened. I replaced the FBF
> chip with the stock chip and it was back to normal.
> > > >
> > > > The ebay seller has not replied to my email til now. So this means
> I wasted my hard earned money and he took my money and just gets a
> negative rating... :-(
> > > >
> > > > --- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2%40yahoogroups.com> , Mike Zeman <zehoo@>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > When I bought my GC, it had the FBF cans, a K&N air filter with
> the
> > > > > open cover, and the stock chip, it backfired like crazy on
> > > > > deceleration, and wasn't very responsive off idle, When I put
> the FBF
> > > > > chip in, I had the same problem you are having, fuel pump didn't
> come
> > > > > on and bike cranked, but would not start, I then realized I put
> the
> > > > > chip in backwards, the writing on the FBF chip is upside down
> compared
> > > > > to the stock chip, I pulled it out, turned it over and the bike
> started
> > > > > right up. There is a little notch in the end of the chip, make
> sure the
> > > > > notch is pointing the right way. When the bike started the
> difference
> > > > > was immediate, the bike started easier, sounded better at idle,
> and was
> > > > > way more responsive off idle, the hickups between 3000 and
> 4000rpm were
> > > > > gone, and no backfiring at all on deceleration.
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >  Sorry for the double post, the first time I posted this, the
> subject came out "unknown"
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Hi
There is some pretty good pictures in the photo section, Big tex stuff, HB
guards, 2free clutch mods, LT Snyder.
By the way I made a shield for my 650 elefant from a piece of alu sheet - works
fine, no burns on the legs!
Vrooom
Jim

--- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Parker" <dpress@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a spare downpipe heat shield at all? My bike came to me
> without one - it has obviously broken off at some stage, and I still have
> the remains of one of the fixing screws in place.
>
> It seems that the part is not available new (what is!) but if anyone is
> breaking (parting out) a bike and has one I would be very grateful, as it
> would finish off my bike. I am in the UK
>
> Kind regards, Steve
>

Hi Nik, thanks for the offer of help. I am still awaiting a rebuilt shock before
getting on the road with my GC, and the heat shield is not such an issue - but I
will want to put something there if only to hide the grotty pipe! I did mark up
a piece of cardboard today to get an idea of the shape, but the originals were
obviously pressed I should imagine, as the curvature is quite complex. I was
going to get a piece of alloy or stainless plate over the winter and try and
cobble up something over the dark winter months. What would help is a few close
up pics of your one at some stage if you could assist - I am currently using
photos off the net, and not surprisingly they don't concentrate on the
heatsield......

Cheers, Steve

--- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com, Nicholas Codling <nik.codling@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> Only just saw your mail, as for some reason all my GC mails have been
> going in to my spam box.
>
> I don't have a spare heat shield, but it probably wouldn't be too hard
> to take a mould of one, and make a fibreglass (or similar) replacement?
>
> I'm also in the UK, so happy to assist if I can.
>
> Nik
>
> On 6 Nov 2009, at 19:58, Stephen Parker wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have a spare downpipe heat shield at all? My bike came
> > to me
> > without one - it has obviously broken off at some stage, and I still
> > have
> > the remains of one of the fixing screws in place.
> >
> > It seems that the part is not available new (what is!) but if anyone
> > is
> > breaking (parting out) a bike and has one I would be very grateful,
> > as it
> > would finish off my bike. I am in the UK
> >
> > Kind regards, Steve
> >
> >
> > __._,_.__
>

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Yes, maps on these chips include the ignition map which is tuneable.  I have not
yet dabbled in that realm due to no major changes to my engine tune, but also
because of limited access to a dyno and wideband O2 sensor.

--- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com, "jrace85" <jtennis@...> wrote:
>
> Just one question, can you tune the ignition maps through the ECU? as in, is
it possible and can YOU(Tom) do it and have you?
> Just curious. =)
>
> -Jeremy
>
>
> --- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com, "vesta00" <tjsteinauer@> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry to hear about all the problems and sorry I didn't post sooner.  I have
decoded the stock and FBF chips for our bikes and it shows the FBF chip is the
stock chip with an added flat amount of fuel from around 2k RPM to redline at
all throttle positions (not a percentage, a flat amount).  In other words, they
didn't really tune much.  I don't have the numbers with me right now, but if
someone is interested in the exact dwell time change and the RPM it happens at,
I can dig it up.  Below 2K RPM the map is identical to stock.  I would suggest
everyone save their money and have your bike tuned to the exhaust with the stock
chip.
> > I've also dynoed the bike with stock cans, chip, airbox cover (BMC air
filter), then dynoed it 1 hour later on the same dyno with FBF cans & chip,
stock airbox cover and BMC Airfilter.  If I remember right, there was a 3 hp
gain, 5 ft-lbs torque gain.
> > Since all this I've been burning chips for fuel economy...getting about
45mpg (350km when fuel light turns on) on mixed highway/in town riding.  This is
with 16-tooth front sprocket, FBF cans, opened-up airbox cover, BMC air filter,
and short wind-screen.
> > Hope this helps.
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > --- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com, "sssankar73" <sssankar73@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > It looks like the FBF chip is faulty. I've tried installing it both ways
today. Normally with the stock chip when we turn on the key switch we should be
able to hear the fuel pump valve open and close. But when I tried it with the
FBF chip nothing happened. I replaced the FBF chip with the stock chip and it
was back to normal.
> > >
> > > The ebay seller has not replied to my email til now. So this means I
wasted my hard earned money and he took my money and just gets a negative
rating... :-(
> > >
> > > --- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com, Mike Zeman <zehoo@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > When I bought my GC, it had the FBF cans, a K&N air filter with the
> > > > open cover, and the stock chip, it backfired like crazy on
> > > > deceleration, and wasn't very responsive off idle, When I put the FBF
> > > > chip in, I had the same problem you are having, fuel pump didn't come
> > > > on and bike cranked, but would not start, I then realized I put the
> > > > chip in backwards, the writing on the FBF chip is upside down compared
> > > > to the stock chip, I pulled it out, turned it over and the bike started
> > > > right up. There is a little notch in the end of the chip, make sure the
> > > > notch is pointing the right way. When the bike started the difference
> > > > was immediate, the bike started easier, sounded better at idle, and was
> > > > way more responsive off idle, the hickups between 3000 and 4000rpm were
> > > > gone, and no backfiring at all on deceleration.
> > > > Mike
> > > >  Sorry for the double post, the first time I posted this, the subject
came out "unknown"
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

I installed my FBF cans and chip this weekend and everything works great. No
backfire or sputters great sound. Not as loud as my old mans ST2 W/ D&D cans but
i wouldnt want it to be that loud anyway.


--- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com, "alexgeiger24" <alex_geiger@...>
wrote:
>
> I bought a chip from the same guy i am planning on installing it this weekend.
I will let you know how mine works.
>
> --- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com, "sssankar73" <sssankar73@> wrote:
> >
> > I recently bought a FBF Chip from Ebay. What is the right procedure of
installing it.
> >
> > I tried to simply remove the stock chip and replace it with the new chip.
But the bike won't start. When I press the start button, the engine is cranking
but it won't fire up. But I replace the new chip with the stock chip, the bike
starts without any problem.
> >
> > Am I doing something wrong with the installation of the new chip or have I
been cheated off my money??
> >
> > Sankar
> >
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170394360782&categ\
ory=33597&_trksid=p2773.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D18%26po%3DL\
BI%26ps%3D54
> >
>

Just one question, can you tune the ignition maps through the ECU? as in, is it
possible and can YOU(Tom) do it and have you?
Just curious. =)

-Jeremy


--- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com, "vesta00" <tjsteinauer@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry to hear about all the problems and sorry I didn't post sooner.  I have
decoded the stock and FBF chips for our bikes and it shows the FBF chip is the
stock chip with an added flat amount of fuel from around 2k RPM to redline at
all throttle positions (not a percentage, a flat amount).  In other words, they
didn't really tune much.  I don't have the numbers with me right now, but if
someone is interested in the exact dwell time change and the RPM it happens at,
I can dig it up.  Below 2K RPM the map is identical to stock.  I would suggest
everyone save their money and have your bike tuned to the exhaust with the stock
chip.
> I've also dynoed the bike with stock cans, chip, airbox cover (BMC air
filter), then dynoed it 1 hour later on the same dyno with FBF cans & chip,
stock airbox cover and BMC Airfilter.  If I remember right, there was a 3 hp
gain, 5 ft-lbs torque gain.
> Since all this I've been burning chips for fuel economy...getting about 45mpg
(350km when fuel light turns on) on mixed highway/in town riding.  This is with
16-tooth front sprocket, FBF cans, opened-up airbox cover, BMC air filter, and
short wind-screen.
> Hope this helps.
> Tom
>
>
> --- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com, "sssankar73" <sssankar73@> wrote:
> >
> > It looks like the FBF chip is faulty. I've tried installing it both ways
today. Normally with the stock chip when we turn on the key switch we should be
able to hear the fuel pump valve open and close. But when I tried it with the
FBF chip nothing happened. I replaced the FBF chip with the stock chip and it
was back to normal.
> >
> > The ebay seller has not replied to my email til now. So this means I wasted
my hard earned money and he took my money and just gets a negative rating... :-(
> >
> > --- In Cagiva_Gran_Canyon2@yahoogroups.com, Mike Zeman <zehoo@> wrote:
> > >
> > > When I bought my GC, it had the FBF cans, a K&N air filter with the
> > > open cover, and the stock chip, it backfired like crazy on
> > > deceleration, and wasn't very responsive off idle, When I put the FBF
> > > chip in, I had the same problem you are having, fuel pump didn't come
> > > on and bike cranked, but would not start, I then realized I put the
> > > chip in backwards, the writing on the FBF chip is upside down compared
> > > to the stock chip, I pulled it out, turned it over and the bike started
> > > right up. There is a little notch in the end of the chip, make sure the
> > > notch is pointing the right way. When the bike started the difference
> > > was immediate, the bike started easier, sounded better at idle, and was
> > > way more responsive off idle, the hickups between 3000 and 4000rpm were
> > > gone, and no backfiring at all on deceleration.
> > > Mike
> > >  Sorry for the double post, the first time I posted this, the subject came
out "unknown"
> > >
> >
>