Hello to all. I'd like to build a Hot Rod out of my 78 Coupe Deville.
Do I need anything special to put a 500 in place of my current 425?
Is this an easy swap or a lot of work for this car? Also does anyone
know the rear ratio in this car? I believe I already have the TH400
so the trans should be good enough, but will the 500 bolt right up to
it? I'm thinking the 500 with the 120cc heads for the street. Am I
going in the right direction here? I've looked at the MTS site and
the Cad Comapny sites so I just need to know what I need for the swap
and I'll be on my way, well almost, I need a 500 so I'm looking for a
parts car or motor in PA, OH, MD, DE, NY, WV, NJ areas.

Herb in PA (near Carlisle)
78 Coupe Deville

I just used the edelbrock choke kit for my 2115 intake, the big hole
in the back is for the brake, there was one more hole on the rear
back side that I just plugged.
I didn't want to make the electric choke fit since my choke lever on
the carb is rivited on.
Markus

--- In
Cadillac_Performance_Association@yahoogroups.com, "GregTalbott"
<cadillacsgalore@y...> wrote:
> Go with an electric choke. I have the same on my '75 500ci. The
hole
> in rear of carb is for your PCV so hook it up accordingly. As for
> any other emissions your car is old enough to qualify for special
> registration and emission exception in most states.
> The only problem I had with my setup is the original air cleaner
> will be too tall and interferes with hood.
>
> Greg
>
>
> --- In Cadillac_Performance_Association@yahoogroups.com, "Tommy
> Pierson" <tompierson@s...> wrote:
> > I have an edelbrock 2115 intake & a rebuilt Q-jet for my '74
> Caddy.
> > The carb was rebuilt to factory specs, & I purchased it with the
> > intentions of normal use, but now that I have the intake, I may
> have
> > a few problems.
> > First, the choke looks like it needs to be replaced, or altered
to
> > fit the new manifold. Not a problem with the Edelbrock choke &
rod
> > kit, according to the instructions.
> > Second, there are emissions fittings on the oem intake, that do
> not
> > appear on the edelbrock. Can I just plug the hole in the back of
> the
> > carb?
> > I spent about $125.00 on the rebuilt carb from a guy on e-bay, so
> > returning it will be difficult at best. Would I have been better
> off
> > with the Edelbrock version of the Q-jet?
> > Any responses will be greatly appreciated, Tom

It should be a direct bolt-in. 425's 472's & 500's share physical
dimensions. Have fun!

Anything special? Of course, a big grin when you stomp on the go pedal the
first time!

Bolt in installation.

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: "Herb Mooney" <hmooney@...>
To: <Cadillac_Performance_Association@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:01 PM
Subject: [Cadillac_Performance_Association] questions from another newbie on
a 78


> Hello to all. I'd like to build a Hot Rod out of my 78 Coupe Deville.
> Do I need anything special to put a 500 in place of my current 425?
> Is this an easy swap or a lot of work for this car? Also does anyone
> know the rear ratio in this car? I believe I already have the TH400
> so the trans should be good enough, but will the 500 bolt right up to
> it? I'm thinking the 500 with the 120cc heads for the street. Am I
> going in the right direction here? I've looked at the MTS site and
> the Cad Comapny sites so I just need to know what I need for the swap
> and I'll be on my way, well almost, I need a 500 so I'm looking for a
> parts car or motor in PA, OH, MD, DE, NY, WV, NJ areas.
>
> Herb in PA (near Carlisle)
> 78 Coupe Deville
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Thanks for all the help, guys. I guess I'll go ahead & order the
parts, since I'm itchin' to get this in.

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The time has come to part with my never quite gotten to project car.
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has any one ever tried to stuff a north star in a fwd grand am ivr
got s 92 i that needs a new motor

--- In Cadillac_Performance_Association@yahoogroups.com, "bass
ackwards hillbilly" <redneck1972@y...> wrote:
> has any one ever tried to stuff a north star in a fwd grand am ivr
> got s 92 i that needs a new motor

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My plan is to build a 500 over time for my car, but since it has the
425 in it now I was wondering which parts (heads, cam, headers, etc)I
could get now for the 425 that would also carry over to the 500? I'm
looking for the most HP/TQ I can get on pump gas for street/show and
maybe a few runs on the strip for fun. If I need to provide more info
let me know. Thanks in advance,

Herb Mooney
Lake Meade, PA
1978 Coupe Deville

Herb Mooney <hmooney@...> wrote:

My plan is to build a 500 over time for my car, but since it has the
425 in it now I was wondering which parts (heads, cam, headers, etc)I
could get now for the 425 that would also carry over to the 500? I'm
looking for the most HP/TQ I can get on pump gas for street/show and
maybe a few runs on the strip for fun. If I need to provide more info
let me know. Thanks in advance,

Herb Mooney
Lake Meade, PA
1978 Coupe Deville

Contact Al at Maximum Torque Specialties (www.500cid.com)

Joe Foerster
North Hollywood, CA
http://www.bobnjoe.com/interest/Cad/cad.htm


----- Original Message -----
From: "Herb Mooney" <hmooney@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:29 PM


My plan is to build a 500 over time for my car, but since it has the
425 in it now I was wondering which parts (heads, cam, headers, etc)I
could get now for the 425 that would also carry over to the 500? I'm
looking for the most HP/TQ I can get on pump gas for street/show and
maybe a few runs on the strip for fun. If I need to provide more info
let me know. Thanks in advance,

Herb Mooney
Lake Meade, PA
1978 Coupe Deville

Herb,
  The engines are the same physically, so headers fit. Cams fit same
too, as do rocker train parts. Intakes should swap too, although the
425 ports are supposedly a bit smaller than 472/500 ports. I have
heard of fellows putting early 76cc heads on the 425s. They are 20cc
smaller than the 425 heads. Assuming your 425 is apx 8-1, CR would
raise up to the 9.5-1 range. I don't know what's involved, or if it
works at all for sure though.
Dave





  Mooney" <hmooney@r...> wrote:
> My plan is to build a 500 over time for my car, but since it has
the
> 425 in it now I was wondering which parts (heads, cam, headers, etc)
I
> could get now for the 425 that would also carry over to the 500?
I'm
> looking for the most HP/TQ I can get on pump gas for street/show
and
> maybe a few runs on the strip for fun. If I need to provide more
info
> let me know. Thanks in advance,
>
> Herb Mooney
> Lake Meade, PA
> 1978 Coupe Deville

So I have an 85 Eldo convertible that I am restoring.  As you
probably know, the 4.1 is a dog.  I want to put some more power under
the hood but I am not sure of what the best ( and easiest ) motor
choice would be.  I though of a 5.7 TPI, or a Northstar 4.9, or a 500
caddy........ blah, blah, blah.  Cody put a 472 in his and basically
typed me out a term paper on how he did it.  ( thanks man!!! ) Anyone
ever tried this before???  What did you put in???  Any info would be
appreciated.  Thanks.
Vincenzo

Is the 4.1 transverse or longitudinal? If it's transverse, then a 4.9 will
basically bolt in place of it. You'll need to do some wiring and switch
computers, but it should be doable.
If it's longitudinal, you can swap any longitudinal FWD powertrain into it.


Will

>   From: "vincenzodandraia" <vincenzodandraia@...>
>Subject: 85 Eldo transplant???
>
>So I have an 85 Eldo convertible that I am restoring.  As you
>probably know, the 4.1 is a dog.  I want to put some more power under
>the hood but I am not sure of what the best ( and easiest ) motor
>choice would be.  I though of a 5.7 TPI, or a Northstar 4.9, or a 500
>caddy........ blah, blah, blah.  Cody put a 472 in his and basically
>typed me out a term paper on how he did it.  ( thanks man!!! ) Anyone
>ever tried this before???  What did you put in???  Any info would be
>appreciated.  Thanks.
>Vincenzo

Hey,
Anybody in this group ever have contact with a guy
named Carl McAbee? He is an old friend I am trying to
make contact with and he is an old Cadillac
afficionado. Any help you could give me would be
appreciated.
Jerry




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To be technically correct, if you are "Restoring" the car, you are making it
like it was when it came from teh factory. Engine and all. Since the
convertibles were very limited in production, this might be a better way to
go. But having owned an '84 Eldo with teh HT4100, I can appreciate the need
for more power.

If you really want to Kustomize the engine in this car, you might look
around for a '79 parts Eldo. They had FI Olds 350 which is nice or can be
drop-in replaced with a 403.

Joe Foerster
North Hollywood, CA
http://www.bobnjoe.com/interest/Cad/cad.htm


>   From: "vincenzodandraia" <vincenzodandraia@...>
>Subject: 85 Eldo transplant???
>
>So I have an 85 Eldo convertible that I am restoring.  As you
>probably know, the 4.1 is a dog.  I want to put some more power under
>the hood but I am not sure of what the best ( and easiest ) motor
>choice would be.  I though of a 5.7 TPI, or a Northstar 4.9, or a 500
>caddy........ blah, blah, blah.  Cody put a 472 in his and basically
>typed me out a term paper on how he did it.  ( thanks man!!! ) Anyone
>ever tried this before???  What did you put in???  Any info would be
>appreciated.  Thanks.
>Vincenzo

Is the 4.1 transverse or longitudinal? If it's transverse, then a 4.9 will
basically bolt in place of it. You'll need to do some wiring and switch
computers, but it should be doable.
If it's longitudinal, you can swap any longitudinal FWD powertrain into it.


Will

>   From: "vincenzodandraia" <vincenzodandraia@...>
>Subject: 85 Eldo transplant???
>
>So I have an 85 Eldo convertible that I am restoring.  As you
>probably know, the 4.1 is a dog.  I want to put some more power under
>the hood but I am not sure of what the best ( and easiest ) motor
>choice would be.  I though of a 5.7 TPI, or a Northstar 4.9, or a 500
>caddy........ blah, blah, blah.  Cody put a 472 in his and basically
>typed me out a term paper on how he did it.  ( thanks man!!! ) Anyone
>ever tried this before???  What did you put in???  Any info would be
>appreciated.  Thanks.
>Vincenzo

To be technically correct, if you are "Restoring" the car, you are making it
like it was when it came from teh factory. Engine and all. Since the
convertibles were very limited in production, this might be a better way to
go. But having owned an '84 Eldo with teh HT4100, I can appreciate the need
for more power.

If you really want to Kustomize the engine in this car, you might look
around for a '79 parts Eldo. They had FI Olds 350 which is nice or can be
drop-in replaced with a 403.

Joe Foerster
North Hollywood, CA
http://www.bobnjoe.com/interest/Cad/cad.htm


>   From: "vincenzodandraia" <vincenzodandraia@...>
>Subject: 85 Eldo transplant???
>
>So I have an 85 Eldo convertible that I am restoring.  As you
>probably know, the 4.1 is a dog.  I want to put some more power under
>the hood but I am not sure of what the best ( and easiest ) motor
>choice would be.  I though of a 5.7 TPI, or a Northstar 4.9, or a 500
>caddy........ blah, blah, blah.  Cody put a 472 in his and basically
>typed me out a term paper on how he did it.  ( thanks man!!! ) Anyone
>ever tried this before???  What did you put in???  Any info would be
>appreciated.  Thanks.
>Vincenzo

----- Original Message -----

From: Gil McDavis

To: Cadillac_Performance_Association@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 7:35 PM

Subject: [Cadillac_Performance_Association] 472 or bust!

i've just purchase a 1969 eldawg! and i need a 472 engine, does anyone know where i can get one? on the internet, new or used.

I found an ad for a 75 500 CI motor. Well as it turned out it was 2
complete, but slightly rusty cars (only one title, and probably not
restorable). The owner wants $300.00 for both cars. I'll have to find
a place to store them till I can pull the motors & trannies for my 78
CDV and Ford F100 so I may need to rent another garage. I will also
have to pay someone to flat bed both to my house so an additional
$200-$300. Both motors turn over and one had a battery and started
up, but reluntently. Am I wasting my time, or should I jump on this
oportunity for my projects I plan to start next winter. Will I be
able to find 2 more rebuildable 500 motors later down the road for
$300? What does everyone think? If anyone needs parts off of these 2
75 CDV's let me know before I send them to the JY if I get tham at
all.

Thanks in advance,

Herb in PA
78 CDV

I found an ad for a 75 500 CI motor. Well as it turned out it was 2
complete, but slightly rusty cars (only one title, and probably not
restorable). The owner wants $300.00 for both cars. I'll have to find
a place to store them till I can pull the motors & trannies for my 78
CDV and Ford F100 so I may need to rent another garage. I will also
have to pay someone to flat bed both to my house so an additional
$200-$300. Both motors turn over and one had a battery and started
up, but reluntently. Am I wasting my time, or should I jump on this
oportunity for my projects I plan to start next winter. Will I be
able to find 2 more rebuildable 500 motors later down the road for
$300? What does everyone think? If anyone needs parts off of these 2
75 CDV's let me know before I send them to the JY if I get tham at
all.

Thanks in advance,

Herb in PA
78 CDV

I would jump all over a deal like that but then I wouldn't have to rent
a garage or pay anybody to haul them to the house so a one running motor
and one core plus 2 transmission for $300 - $150 (what I can get from
the junkyard for the leftover parts) seems like a pretty good deal.
YMMV. -jd

> -----Original Message-----
>    Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 03:32:02 -0000
>    From: "Herb Mooney" <hmooney@...>
> Subject: Is this a good deal or a waste of my time?
>
> I found an ad for a 75 500 CI motor. Well as it turned out it was 2
> complete, but slightly rusty cars (only one title, and probably not
> restorable). The owner wants $300.00 for both cars. I'll have to find
> a place to store them till I can pull the motors & trannies for my 78
> CDV and Ford F100 so I may need to rent another garage. I will also
> have to pay someone to flat bed both to my house so an additional
> $200-$300. Both motors turn over and one had a battery and started
> up, but reluntently. Am I wasting my time, or should I jump on this
> oportunity for my projects I plan to start next winter. Will I be
> able to find 2 more rebuildable 500 motors later down the road for
> $300? What does everyone think? If anyone needs parts off of these 2
> 75 CDV's let me know before I send them to the JY if I get tham at
> all.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Herb in PA
> 78 CDV
>

Well...I bought the two 75's. I guess I'm commited now. Thanks for all the
advice on these 2 cars and all the advice I'll be asking for later.

Time to build my 500ci 70 CDV Street/Hot Rod

Herb Mooney
lake Meade, PA
78 CDV

At 04:17 PM 4/22/2004, you wrote:
>I would jump all over a deal like that but then I wouldn't have to rent
>a garage or pay anybody to haul them to the house so a one running motor
>and one core plus 2 transmission for $300 - $150 (what I can get from
>the junkyard for the leftover parts) seems like a pretty good deal.
>YMMV. -jd
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> >    Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 03:32:02 -0000
> >    From: "Herb Mooney" <hmooney@...>
> > Subject: Is this a good deal or a waste of my time?
> >
> > I found an ad for a 75 500 CI motor. Well as it turned out it was 2
> > complete, but slightly rusty cars (only one title, and probably not
> > restorable). The owner wants $300.00 for both cars. I'll have to find
> > a place to store them till I can pull the motors & trannies for my 78
> > CDV and Ford F100 so I may need to rent another garage. I will also
> > have to pay someone to flat bed both to my house so an additional
> > $200-$300. Both motors turn over and one had a battery and started
> > up, but reluntently. Am I wasting my time, or should I jump on this
> > oportunity for my projects I plan to start next winter. Will I be
> > able to find 2 more rebuildable 500 motors later down the road for
> > $300? What does everyone think? If anyone needs parts off of these 2
> > 75 CDV's let me know before I send them to the JY if I get tham at
> > all.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Herb in PA
> > 78 CDV
> >
>
>
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This is my initial thought for one of my newly aquired 500ci
motors/trans. My question is, do I use the Ford C4 transmission or
ths TH400 that came with the motor. If I'm to use the C4 how do I
connect it to the 500? Is there an adapter and what about the mounts
for the trans? I'd also like to retain the column shifter. is this
posible?

Herb in PA