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#5821 From: Costa Zarifi <costa_zarifi@...>
Date: Fri Dec 4, 2009 1:10 pm
Subject: Re: [BSA Bantam] Boost Your Bantam - Early Tuning
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Do tell. What kind of work did you do to the Dommie, so that it was outperformed by the Bantam? 

Cheers,

Costa

On 2009-12-04, at 7:36 AM, "David" <the.hairy.loon@...> wrote:

 

Being an "Hairy old git" I can tell you that we did all of that in the fifties and sixties, and that my 125 Bantam did "nearly 60" standard, and it out-performed a friends Dominator with ease after working on it.
I also used the same techniques on an NSU Quickly, got that to nearly 50, also ran one on paraffin, but that's another story.
David.
 
 


#5820 From: "David" <the.hairy.loon@...>
Date: Fri Dec 4, 2009 12:36 pm
Subject: Re: [BSA Bantam] Boost Your Bantam - Early Tuning
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Being an "Hairy old git" I can tell you that we did all of that in the fifties and sixties, and that my 125 Bantam did "nearly 60" standard, and it out-performed a friends Dominator with ease after working on it.
I also used the same techniques on an NSU Quickly, got that to nearly 50, also ran one on paraffin, but that's another story.
David.
 
 

#5819 From: "ruben8d9" <deboosereruben@...>
Date: Fri Dec 4, 2009 11:59 am
Subject: Re: Boost Your Bantam - Early Tuning
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Thanks! Looks great!



--- In BSABantam@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <paulg@...> wrote:
>
> MotorCycling January 7th and 14th 1954 (6 pages) and MotorCycling June 28th
> 1956 (3 pages)
>
> I have uploaded these articles to a web page:
>
>
>
> http://www.speed-trap.co.uk/GTG/bsabantamtuning.htm
>
>
>
> They are large files at a resolution that can be printed out nicely, so will
> be slow to load for anyone still on a dialup connection.
>
>
>
> Hope they are of interest.
>
>
>
> Paul.
>

#5818 From: "Paul" <paulg@...>
Date: Thu Dec 3, 2009 7:25 pm
Subject: Boost Your Bantam - Early Tuning
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MotorCycling January 7th and 14th 1954 (6 pages) and MotorCycling June 28th 1956 (3 pages)

I have uploaded these articles to a web page:

 

http://www.speed-trap.co.uk/GTG/bsabantamtuning.htm

 

They are large files at a resolution that can be printed out nicely, so will be slow to load for anyone still on a dialup connection.

 

Hope they are of interest.

 

Paul.

 

 


#5817 From: andy@...
Date: Wed Dec 2, 2009 9:28 pm
Subject: Re: [BSA Bantam] How to Find Manuals for Obscure Bikes.
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Thanks - apparently we do need to take the headlight off.

But it looks daunting enough to make me think that a manual would be a good idea
if we can find one!

--- In BSABantam@yahoogroups.com, sue creasey <toad.lett@...> wrote:
>
> If its anything like on my Homda CM125 it was remove the shroud around the
barrell top, remove the headlight, undo two bolts and a multiplug. Looked &
sounds a lot more daunting than it was. (needed changing, mounting bots had
broken & previous owner had used mastic to 'goo' it into place, fine but it
rotated the switch rather than turning off/on)
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Sue
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "andy@..." <andy@...>
> To: BSABantam@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, 21 November, 2009 14:03:40
> Subject: [BSA Bantam] How to Find Manuals for Obscure Bikes.
>
>  
> BSA manuals are probably easy to find, but before my son gets to work on my
BSA C15, he needs to pass his test, and to do that, he needs to change the
ignition-key barrel on his Yamaha SR125/ 3MW2 (1991).
>
> Being Japanese, this looks like a major task. He can't find any manuals for it
on the Internet - can anyone here tell us where to look?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Andy Morley
>

#5816 From: andy@...
Date: Wed Dec 2, 2009 9:27 pm
Subject: Re: [BSA Bantam] How to Find Manuals for Obscure Bikes.
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Many thanks for this George.  We're checking it out.

Andy Morley

--- In BSABantam@yahoogroups.com, "george" <george.deaney@...> wrote:
>
> Andy,
>
> Not sure if you will find what you are looking for in here. Just have a look
> at some of the Yam models, there may be similarities between the models.
> Can't remember if you have to register.
>
>
>
> http://auto-moto.electromaniacs.com/category.php?id=1
>
>
>
> George
>
>
>
> From: BSABantam@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BSABantam@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of andy@...
> Sent: 21 November 2009 14:04
> To: BSABantam@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [BSA Bantam] How to Find Manuals for Obscure Bikes.
>
>
>
>
>
> BSA manuals are probably easy to find, but before my son gets to work on my
> BSA C15, he needs to pass his test, and to do that, he needs to change the
> ignition-key barrel on his Yamaha SR125/ 3MW2 (1991).
>
> Being Japanese, this looks like a major task. He can't find any manuals for
> it on the Internet - can anyone here tell us where to look?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Andy Morley
>
>
>
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#5815 From: "ensemble887828" <jd.holt@...>
Date: Wed Dec 2, 2009 9:19 pm
Subject: D7 control cables through nacelle
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In the BSA instruction book it looks like the clutch and brake (and possibly
throttle) control cables go through the holes in the D7 nacelle (with a single
switch). Is that right? Has anyone got a picture? The front brake cable on mine
is routed really awkwardly but putting it through the nacelle doesn't look much
better.

#5814 From: "martyn" <mar1doc@...>
Date: Wed Dec 2, 2009 8:29 pm
Subject: "vague" problems
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A friend has A D14 (I believe) , He rang me and gave me a vague story, his bike
has had the engine rebuilt , it started , then the revs just slowly got faster
and faster (cause unknown!ideas please?)
He had the engine dismantled again and some tightness loosened off ? (Told you
it was vague).
  Before the engine was put in the frame it was put into gear , when in the frame
and clutch cable attached the gear leaver had free movement up and down but
unable to change out of the gear it's in!
He has asked me to look at it!! I could try process of elimination but thought
you lot might have some pointers? I should know more on Sunday when he brings
the bike.

Martyn

#5813 From: "ruben8d9" <deboosereruben@...>
Date: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:00 pm
Subject: 90-5703 - front hub locking ring (& bearings)
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90-5703 <- does anyone have a spare hub locking ring?
(and 2 front wheel bearings) for a good price?

Thanks,

Ruben
http://bsabantam.blogspot.com/


#5812 From: pondside@...
Date: Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:46 pm
Subject: Re: [BSA Bantam] D1 Bantam Wico Pacy Geni Mag Direct AC Ignition - Question
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I believe Genimags operate as follows; the primary (low voltage) winding has one end permanently connected to the stator plate  on the reverse side. The other end of the winding goes to the points & capacitor. As the flywheel rotates a current is induced in this winding, flowing from the earthed terminal, through the winding, through the points & back to earth. When the points open this current flow is broken & the collapsing  magnetic field induces a current in the secondary & makes a spark. You will therefore always read continuity on the coil winding . Hope this clarifies things.Les Reilly ('54 D1)
--- On Fri, 27/11/09, crashburnfly <paulg@...> wrote:

From: crashburnfly <paulg@...>
Subject: Re: [BSA Bantam] D1 Bantam Wico Pacy Geni Mag Direct AC Ignition - Question
To: BSABantam@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 27 November, 2009, 22:16

 
Chris

Many many thanks for taking the time to respond so fully. I tried your suggestion and using a multimeter I have a full circuit between the points post and the casing when the points are open. Aha I thought and replaced the fiber washers for plastic to have the same situation again with the plastic washer. I then removed the points post to ensure it didnt have anything sticking in the side of it and bridging to the casing - nothing. I removed the condenser incase this was shorting and the same - full circuit. So I tried removing the points/points post from the equation and with the ign coil attached to the stator and its other wire that would normally connect to the points post floating in free air (attached to nothing) - when I put a meter on it and to the casing I have a full circuit - which I find very confusing! I tried another coil and the same.

All suggestions very welcome and again thank you Chris for help/reply.

--- In BSABantam@yahoogrou ps.com, chris gamble <classicglory@ ...> wrote:
>
> Before we go through all the other components.. ..
>
> Make sure the points are OPEN and put a multimeter set to OHMS between the
> screw on the top of the points post (which also has the ignition coil
> connection) and the engine\magneto housing.
>
> There should be ZERO connectivity between them. Otherwise the coil will not
> fire.
>
> It is common for the insultation for the points post to be compromised by
> non-standard screws which are too long and the use of metal washers.
>
> On all the units I have rebuilt, I get a capped plastic gutter washer, cut
> the cap off and fit this to the back of the magneto under the points post.
> This fully isolates the post from the magneto housing. I believe that fibre
> washers were originally used but are not that effective, especially if they
> get oil soaked.
>
> Check this out first and if it is ok, let me know and we will examine each
> other component in turn.
>
> Regards
>
> CG.
>
> 2009/11/24 crashburnfly <paulg@...>
>
> >
> >
> > Afternoon, this is my first post on the list and I hope that one of the
> > groups experts can assist. I have been riding bikes for 30 years – mostly
> > modern stuff and have pulled my father's one owner from new D1 out of the
> > proverbial shed and dusted it off. All seems well with it apart from getting
> > a spark.
> >
> > My understanding of how the AC Geni mag should work is:
> > Voltage is induced in primary coil and earths until points open and circuit
> > is broken this then sends/induces voltage into the secondary coil (in the
> > ignition coil) which acts as a transformer to take the low voltage of the
> > primary and increases the voltage up to 5,000+ volts to get it to HT levels
> > and enable a spark. The ignition coil has 3 contacts on it. The black wire
> > (1) bolts to the stator and the red wire (2) connects to the back of the
> > contact breaker terminal post along with the condenser connection – the tabs
> > of both of these are both clear of the case against the insulating washer.
> > With the points closed the primary coil earths and when the contact opens it
> > breaks the circuit/earth and induces into the secondary coil and the high
> > voltage exits via the tab (3) on the side of the ignition coil and via a
> > copper tab connector into the HT lead and up to the HT cap and plug. Is this
> > correct?
> >
> > I have changed the ignition coil, points and condenser and still no sign of
> > a spark (all from C&D so should be OK). The sections in the mag are still
> > strongly magnetised. I have connected another lead to the coil tab (3) and
> > still no spark.
> >
> > Assuming the above is correct then I would like to test the ignition coil
> > and condenser to ensure that they are OK. Any suggestions for testing them
> > standalone? If the above is correct then if I pass say 9volts across the
> > primary coil I should get many times this out of the secondary coil? How
> > would I test the condenser?
> > I have put up a few pics of the assembly at:
> >
> > http://www.speed- trap.co.uk/ GTG/bantam. htm
> >
> > All and any suggestions very welcome as the Green Meanie is ready to roll
> > once I get a spark.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Paul
> > Midhurst, UK.
> >
> >
> >
>


#5811 From: chris gamble <classicglory@...>
Date: Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:21 pm
Subject: Re: [BSA Bantam] D1 Bantam Wico Pacy Geni Mag Direct AC Ignition - Question
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Do you still have a path to ground without the coil wire connected to the points post?

If so then the insulation is compromised and I suspect it will be on the back of the generator housing. This is where I fit the plastic washer.

Check the meter reading again and if you need a washer, I'll send you one in the post.

Regards

CG.

2009/11/27 crashburnfly <paulg@...>
 

Chris

Many many thanks for taking the time to respond so fully. I tried your suggestion and using a multimeter I have a full circuit between the points post and the casing when the points are open. Aha I thought and replaced the fiber washers for plastic to have the same situation again with the plastic washer. I then removed the points post to ensure it didnt have anything sticking in the side of it and bridging to the casing - nothing. I removed the condenser incase this was shorting and the same - full circuit. So I tried removing the points/points post from the equation and with the ign coil attached to the stator and its other wire that would normally connect to the points post floating in free air (attached to nothing) - when I put a meter on it and to the casing I have a full circuit - which I find very confusing! I tried another coil and the same.

All suggestions very welcome and again thank you Chris for help/reply.



--- In BSABantam@yahoogroups.com, chris gamble <classicglory@...> wrote:
>
> Before we go through all the other components....
>
> Make sure the points are OPEN and put a multimeter set to OHMS between the
> screw on the top of the points post (which also has the ignition coil
> connection) and the engine\magneto housing.
>
> There should be ZERO connectivity between them. Otherwise the coil will not
> fire.
>
> It is common for the insultation for the points post to be compromised by
> non-standard screws which are too long and the use of metal washers.
>
> On all the units I have rebuilt, I get a capped plastic gutter washer, cut
> the cap off and fit this to the back of the magneto under the points post.
> This fully isolates the post from the magneto housing. I believe that fibre
> washers were originally used but are not that effective, especially if they
> get oil soaked.
>
> Check this out first and if it is ok, let me know and we will examine each
> other component in turn.
>
> Regards
>
> CG.
>
> 2009/11/24 crashburnfly <paulg@...>

>
> >
> >
> > Afternoon, this is my first post on the list and I hope that one of the
> > groups experts can assist. I have been riding bikes for 30 years – mostly
> > modern stuff and have pulled my father's one owner from new D1 out of the
> > proverbial shed and dusted it off. All seems well with it apart from getting
> > a spark.
> >
> > My understanding of how the AC Geni mag should work is:
> > Voltage is induced in primary coil and earths until points open and circuit
> > is broken this then sends/induces voltage into the secondary coil (in the
> > ignition coil) which acts as a transformer to take the low voltage of the
> > primary and increases the voltage up to 5,000+ volts to get it to HT levels
> > and enable a spark. The ignition coil has 3 contacts on it. The black wire
> > (1) bolts to the stator and the red wire (2) connects to the back of the
> > contact breaker terminal post along with the condenser connection – the tabs
> > of both of these are both clear of the case against the insulating washer.
> > With the points closed the primary coil earths and when the contact opens it
> > breaks the circuit/earth and induces into the secondary coil and the high
> > voltage exits via the tab (3) on the side of the ignition coil and via a
> > copper tab connector into the HT lead and up to the HT cap and plug. Is this
> > correct?
> >
> > I have changed the ignition coil, points and condenser and still no sign of
> > a spark (all from C&D so should be OK). The sections in the mag are still
> > strongly magnetised. I have connected another lead to the coil tab (3) and
> > still no spark.
> >
> > Assuming the above is correct then I would like to test the ignition coil
> > and condenser to ensure that they are OK. Any suggestions for testing them
> > standalone? If the above is correct then if I pass say 9volts across the
> > primary coil I should get many times this out of the secondary coil? How
> > would I test the condenser?
> > I have put up a few pics of the assembly at:
> >
> > http://www.speed-trap.co.uk/GTG/bantam.htm
> >
> > All and any suggestions very welcome as the Green Meanie is ready to roll
> > once I get a spark.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Paul
> > Midhurst, UK.
> >
> >
> >
>



#5810 From: "Philip" <philiphodgson4@...>
Date: Sat Nov 28, 2009 7:30 pm
Subject: Re: Effect of using unmatched crankcases?
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I agree with what you say,there must be some tolerance in the fit and to allow
for wear. I have quite a lot of spare bits that would other wise be chucked in
the scrap bin so its got to be worth a try.  I remember reading that barrels and
heads were matched to each other suggesting that there must be some leeway.

--- In BSABantam@yahoogroups.com, "ensemble887828" <jd.holt@...> wrote:
>
> I did it successfully on my first Bantam , a D14, but I think that was luck
rather than judgement.  It appeared to be a good fit by eye (no light coming
through) without any machining but as I say, it might have just been lucky.
>
> --- In BSABantam@yahoogroups.com, "Philip" <philiphodgson4@> wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering what the effect would be of using a pair of crankcases with
different numbers?
> >  BSA must have machined them as a pair for some reason.  I just wondered if
anyone has tried it, as i have an unmatched pair sitting doing nothing.
> >
>

#5809 From: "ensemble887828" <jd.holt@...>
Date: Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:32 pm
Subject: Re: Effect of using unmatched crankcases?
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I did it successfully on my first Bantam , a D14, but I think that was luck
rather than judgement.  It appeared to be a good fit by eye (no light coming
through) without any machining but as I say, it might have just been lucky.

--- In BSABantam@yahoogroups.com, "Philip" <philiphodgson4@...> wrote:
>
> I was wondering what the effect would be of using a pair of crankcases with
different numbers?
>  BSA must have machined them as a pair for some reason.  I just wondered if
anyone has tried it, as i have an unmatched pair sitting doing nothing.
>

#5808 From: "crashburnfly" <paulg@...>
Date: Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:16 pm
Subject: Re: [BSA Bantam] D1 Bantam Wico Pacy Geni Mag Direct AC Ignition - Question
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Chris

Many many thanks for taking the time to respond so fully. I tried your
suggestion and using a multimeter I have a full circuit between the points post
and the casing when the points are open. Aha I thought and replaced the fiber
washers for plastic to have the same situation again with the plastic washer. I
then removed the points post to ensure it didnt have anything sticking in the
side of it and bridging to the casing - nothing. I removed the condenser incase
this was shorting and the same - full circuit. So I tried removing the
points/points post from the equation and with the ign coil attached to the
stator and its other wire that would normally connect to the points post
floating in free air (attached to nothing) - when I put a meter on it and to the
casing I have a full circuit - which I find very confusing! I tried another coil
and the same.

All suggestions very welcome and again thank you Chris for help/reply.


--- In BSABantam@yahoogroups.com, chris gamble <classicglory@...> wrote:
>
> Before we go through all the other components....
>
> Make sure the points are OPEN and put a multimeter set to OHMS between the
> screw on the top of the points post (which also has the ignition coil
> connection) and the engine\magneto housing.
>
> There should be ZERO connectivity between them. Otherwise the coil will not
> fire.
>
> It is common for the insultation for the points post to be compromised by
> non-standard screws which are too long and the use of metal washers.
>
> On all the units I have rebuilt, I get a capped plastic gutter washer, cut
> the cap off and fit this to the back of the magneto under the points post.
> This fully isolates the post from the magneto housing. I believe that fibre
> washers were originally used but are not that effective, especially if they
> get oil soaked.
>
> Check this out first and if it is ok, let me know and we will examine each
> other component in turn.
>
> Regards
>
> CG.
>
> 2009/11/24 crashburnfly <paulg@...>
>
> >
> >
> > Afternoon, this is my first post on the list and I hope that one of the
> > groups experts can assist. I have been riding bikes for 30 years – mostly
> > modern stuff and have pulled my father's one owner from new D1 out of the
> > proverbial shed and dusted it off. All seems well with it apart from getting
> > a spark.
> >
> > My understanding of how the AC Geni mag should work is:
> > Voltage is induced in primary coil and earths until points open and circuit
> > is broken this then sends/induces voltage into the secondary coil (in the
> > ignition coil) which acts as a transformer to take the low voltage of the
> > primary and increases the voltage up to 5,000+ volts to get it to HT levels
> > and enable a spark. The ignition coil has 3 contacts on it. The black wire
> > (1) bolts to the stator and the red wire (2) connects to the back of the
> > contact breaker terminal post along with the condenser connection – the tabs
> > of both of these are both clear of the case against the insulating washer.
> > With the points closed the primary coil earths and when the contact opens it
> > breaks the circuit/earth and induces into the secondary coil and the high
> > voltage exits via the tab (3) on the side of the ignition coil and via a
> > copper tab connector into the HT lead and up to the HT cap and plug. Is this
> > correct?
> >
> > I have changed the ignition coil, points and condenser and still no sign of
> > a spark (all from C&D so should be OK). The sections in the mag are still
> > strongly magnetised. I have connected another lead to the coil tab (3) and
> > still no spark.
> >
> > Assuming the above is correct then I would like to test the ignition coil
> > and condenser to ensure that they are OK. Any suggestions for testing them
> > standalone? If the above is correct then if I pass say 9volts across the
> > primary coil I should get many times this out of the secondary coil? How
> > would I test the condenser?
> > I have put up a few pics of the assembly at:
> >
> > http://www.speed-trap.co.uk/GTG/bantam.htm
> >
> > All and any suggestions very welcome as the Green Meanie is ready to roll
> > once I get a spark.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Paul
> > Midhurst, UK.
> >
> >
> >
>

#5807 From: chris gamble <classicglory@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:59 pm
Subject: Re: [BSA Bantam] D1 Bantam Wico Pacy Geni Mag Direct AC Ignition - Question
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Before we go through all the other components....

Make sure the points are OPEN and put a multimeter set to OHMS between the screw on the top of the points post (which also has the ignition coil connection) and the engine\magneto housing.

There should be ZERO connectivity between them. Otherwise the coil will not fire.

It is common for the insultation for the points post to be compromised by non-standard screws which are too long and the use of metal washers.

On all the units I have rebuilt, I get a capped plastic gutter washer, cut the cap off and fit this to the back of the magneto under the points post. This fully isolates the post from the magneto housing. I believe that fibre washers were originally used but are not that effective, especially if they get oil soaked.

Check this out first and if it is ok, let me know and we will examine each other component in turn.

Regards

CG.

2009/11/24 crashburnfly <paulg@...>
 

Afternoon, this is my first post on the list and I hope that one of the groups experts can assist. I have been riding bikes for 30 years – mostly modern stuff and have pulled my father's one owner from new D1 out of the proverbial shed and dusted it off. All seems well with it apart from getting a spark.

My understanding of how the AC Geni mag should work is:
Voltage is induced in primary coil and earths until points open and circuit is broken this then sends/induces voltage into the secondary coil (in the ignition coil) which acts as a transformer to take the low voltage of the primary and increases the voltage up to 5,000+ volts to get it to HT levels and enable a spark. The ignition coil has 3 contacts on it. The black wire (1) bolts to the stator and the red wire (2) connects to the back of the contact breaker terminal post along with the condenser connection – the tabs of both of these are both clear of the case against the insulating washer. With the points closed the primary coil earths and when the contact opens it breaks the circuit/earth and induces into the secondary coil and the high voltage exits via the tab (3) on the side of the ignition coil and via a copper tab connector into the HT lead and up to the HT cap and plug. Is this correct?

I have changed the ignition coil, points and condenser and still no sign of a spark (all from C&D so should be OK). The sections in the mag are still strongly magnetised. I have connected another lead to the coil tab (3) and still no spark.

Assuming the above is correct then I would like to test the ignition coil and condenser to ensure that they are OK. Any suggestions for testing them standalone? If the above is correct then if I pass say 9volts across the primary coil I should get many times this out of the secondary coil? How would I test the condenser?
I have put up a few pics of the assembly at:

http://www.speed-trap.co.uk/GTG/bantam.htm

All and any suggestions very welcome as the Green Meanie is ready to roll once I get a spark.

Best regards

Paul
Midhurst, UK.



#5806 From: andy tongue <stx_uk@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:34 pm
Subject: Re: [BSA Bantam] D1 Bantam Wico Pacy Geni Mag Direct AC Ignition - Question
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Sent: Tue, November 24, 2009 6:53:32 PM
Subject: [BSA Bantam] D1 Bantam Wico Pacy Geni Mag Direct AC Ignition - Question

 

Afternoon, this is my first post on the list and I hope that one of the groups experts can assist. I have been riding bikes for 30 years – mostly modern stuff and have pulled my father's one owner from new D1 out of the proverbial shed and dusted it off. All seems well with it apart from getting a spark.

My understanding of how the AC Geni mag should work is:
Voltage is induced in primary coil and earths until points open and circuit is broken this then sends/induces voltage into the secondary coil (in the ignition coil) which acts as a transformer to take the low voltage of the primary and increases the voltage up to 5,000+ volts to get it to HT levels and enable a spark. The ignition coil has 3 contacts on it. The black wire (1) bolts to the stator and the red wire (2) connects to the back of the contact breaker terminal post along with the condenser connection – the tabs of both of these are both clear of the case against the insulating washer. With the points closed the primary coil earths and when the contact opens it breaks the circuit/earth and induces into the secondary coil and the high voltage exits via the tab (3) on the side of the ignition coil and via a copper tab connector into the HT lead and up to the HT cap and plug. Is this correct?

I have changed the ignition coil, points and condenser and still no sign of a spark (all from C&D so should be OK). The sections in the mag are still strongly magnetised. I have connected another lead to the coil tab (3) and still no spark.

Assuming the above is correct then I would like to test the ignition coil and condenser to ensure that they are OK. Any suggestions for testing them standalone? If the above is correct then if I pass say 9volts across the primary coil I should get many times this out of the secondary coil? How would I test the condenser?
I have put up a few pics of the assembly at:

http://www.speed- trap.co.uk/ GTG/bantam. htm

All and any suggestions very welcome as the Green Meanie is ready to roll once I get a spark.

Best regards

Paul
Midhurst, UK.



#5805 From: "crashburnfly" <paulg@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:53 pm
Subject: D1 Bantam Wico Pacy Geni Mag Direct AC Ignition - Question
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Afternoon, this is my first post on the list and I hope that one of the groups
experts can assist. I have been riding bikes for 30 years – mostly modern stuff
and have pulled my father's one owner from new D1 out of the proverbial shed and
dusted it off. All seems well with it apart from getting a spark.

My understanding of how the AC Geni mag should work is:
Voltage is induced in primary coil and earths until points open and circuit is
broken this then sends/induces voltage into the secondary coil (in the ignition
coil) which acts as a transformer to take the low voltage of the primary and
increases the voltage up to 5,000+ volts to get it to HT levels and enable a
spark. The ignition coil has 3 contacts on it. The black wire (1) bolts to the
stator and the red wire (2) connects to the back of the contact breaker terminal
post along with the condenser connection – the tabs of both of these are both
clear of the case against the insulating washer. With the points closed the
primary coil earths and when the contact opens it breaks the circuit/earth and
induces into the secondary coil and the high voltage exits via the tab (3) on
the side of the ignition coil and via a copper tab connector into the HT lead
and up to the HT cap and plug. Is this correct?

I have changed the ignition coil, points and condenser and still no sign of a
spark (all from C&D so should be OK). The sections in the mag are still strongly
magnetised. I have connected another lead to the coil tab (3) and still no
spark.

Assuming the above is correct then I would like to test the ignition coil and
condenser to ensure that they are OK. Any suggestions for testing them
standalone? If the above is correct then if I pass say 9volts across the primary
coil I should get many times this out of the secondary coil? How would I test
the condenser?
I have put up a few pics of the assembly at:

http://www.speed-trap.co.uk/GTG/bantam.htm

All and any suggestions very welcome as the Green Meanie is ready to roll once I
get a spark.

Best regards

Paul
Midhurst, UK.

#5804 From: mervyn drew <mervyndrew@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:56 pm
Subject: Re: [BSA Bantam] hi
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hi steve, thanks for the e-mail, i have been reading the comments on this site for a long time and it has helped me out a lot.

--- On Tue, 24/11/09, STEPHEN MARTIN <handchange@...> wrote:

From: STEPHEN MARTIN <handchange@...>
Subject: Re: [BSA Bantam] hi
To: BSABantam@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 24 November, 2009, 16:47

 
Hi Mervyn. Welcome, Its a good forum with plenty of interesting folks on board.
I like little velocettes, probably the quietest machine ever made. Regards. Steve

--- On Tue, 24/11/09, mervyn drew <mervyndrew@yahoo. co.uk> wrote:

From: mervyn drew <mervyndrew@yahoo. co.uk>
Subject: [BSA Bantam] hi
To: BSABantam@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Tuesday, 24 November, 2009, 16:25

 
hi every one, my name is mervyn and I'm retired, like most people i started biking on a d7 which was absolutely hammered, but i had loads of fun. i have a d3 and a d10 both i have restored over the last 12 years, i have just started a d7, i also have 2 le's and 2 jap bikes all for restoration.




#5803 From: STEPHEN MARTIN <handchange@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:47 pm
Subject: Re: [BSA Bantam] hi
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Hi Mervyn. Welcome, Its a good forum with plenty of interesting folks on board.
I like little velocettes, probably the quietest machine ever made. Regards. Steve

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From: mervyn drew <mervyndrew@...>
Subject: [BSA Bantam] hi
To: BSABantam@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 24 November, 2009, 16:25

 
hi every one, my name is mervyn and I'm retired, like most people i started biking on a d7 which was absolutely hammered, but i had loads of fun. i have a d3 and a d10 both i have restored over the last 12 years, i have just started a d7, i also have 2 le's and 2 jap bikes all for restoration.



#5802 From: mervyn drew <mervyndrew@...>
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:25 pm
Subject: hi
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hi every one, my name is mervyn and I'm retired, like most people i started biking on a d7 which was absolutely hammered, but i had loads of fun. i have a d3 and a d10 both i have restored over the last 12 years, i have just started a d7, i also have 2 le's and 2 jap bikes all for restoration.


#5801 From: "warrenjonuk" <john.warren@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:08 pm
Subject: D14/4 Bantam Blues
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Dear all

My Bantam is doing my head in.

Got it running and MOt'd.
But wouldn't pull unless the choke was on.
So
Today I tried raising the needle (3rd groove down) and ensured there was no air
leak at the carb joint.

Bike for some reason is now very hard to start,
got it running and went for a ride, again won't pull unless there is some choke,
and it dies/bogs down at anything over about 1/2 throttle in any gear.
Rather like it is running rich and weak???

Plug looks perfect though, rich biscuit brown!

I have rebuilt the engine so not/very unlikely to be the crank seals.

I haven't cleaned/de-coked the exhaust, is this a likely suspect?

I suspect the timing isn't right either hence poor starting, do Bantams randomly
re-time themselves.
Is the condenser likely to be at fault?

Any help or sympathy gratefully accepted!

Jon

#5800 From: "Peter Ashley" <peter@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:54 am
Subject: Unsubscribe
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Thanks for everything, but its time to leave this list as the Bantam now has a new owner.

Try as I might I have not managed to unsubscribe.

Any chance the moderator can do this for me?

Peter

 

 


#5799 From: sue creasey <toad.lett@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:06 pm
Subject: Re: [BSA Bantam] How to Find Manuals for Obscure Bikes.
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If its anything like on my Homda CM125 it was remove the shroud around the barrell top, remove the headlight, undo two bolts and a multiplug. Looked & sounds a lot more daunting than it was. (needed changing, mounting bots had broken & previous owner had used mastic to 'goo' it into place, fine but it rotated the switch rather than turning off/on)
 
Hope this helps
 
Sue


From: "andy@..." <andy@...>
To: BSABantam@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 21 November, 2009 14:03:40
Subject: [BSA Bantam] How to Find Manuals for Obscure Bikes.

 

BSA manuals are probably easy to find, but before my son gets to work on my BSA C15, he needs to pass his test, and to do that, he needs to change the ignition-key barrel on his Yamaha SR125/ 3MW2 (1991).

Being Japanese, this looks like a major task. He can't find any manuals for it on the Internet - can anyone here tell us where to look?

Many thanks,

Andy Morley



#5798 From: "george" <george.deaney@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:12 pm
Subject: RE: [BSA Bantam] How to Find Manuals for Obscure Bikes.
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Andy,

Not sure if you will find what you are looking for in here. Just have a look at some of the Yam models, there may be similarities between the models. Can’t remember if you have to register.

 

http://auto-moto.electromaniacs.com/category.php?id=1

 

George

 

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Sent: 21 November 2009 14:04
To: BSABantam@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BSA Bantam] How to Find Manuals for Obscure Bikes.

 

 

BSA manuals are probably easy to find, but before my son gets to work on my BSA C15, he needs to pass his test, and to do that, he needs to change the ignition-key barrel on his Yamaha SR125/ 3MW2 (1991).

Being Japanese, this looks like a major task. He can't find any manuals for it on the Internet - can anyone here tell us where to look?

Many thanks,

Andy Morley

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#5797 From: andy@...
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:03 pm
Subject: How to Find Manuals for Obscure Bikes.
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BSA manuals are probably easy to find, but before my son gets to work on my BSA
C15, he needs to pass his test, and to do that, he needs to change the
ignition-key barrel on his Yamaha SR125/ 3MW2  (1991).

Being Japanese, this looks like a major task.  He can't find any manuals for it
on the Internet - can anyone here tell us where to look?

Many thanks,

Andy Morley

#5796 From: "Ian Brown" <ianbrown@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:03 am
Subject: Bantam D5 petrol tank
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Hi Pat,

 

I use Flowliner on my trials tanks.

 

It’s a two pack liquid mix and easy to apply.

 

You can get it from here :

 

http://www.cwylde.co.uk/

 

Regards,

 

Ian


#5795 From: "patstoke" <patstoke@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:04 pm
Subject: Bantam D5 petrol tank
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My old Bantam D5 petrol tank is rusty and so in need of sealing or replacing. 
Can anyone advise on other bantam tanks that will fit a D5 or a suitable sealant
for my rusty tank.
Thanks for any advice, Pat

#5794 From: "p5xbx" <p5xbx@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:23 pm
Subject: Wipac generator on Ebay
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who was it after a Wipac generator, there is one on Ebay
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i hasten to add that i am NOT the seller

Mike
http://bsanotrun.angelfire.com/

#5793 From: "SIMON" <simon.holyfield@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:19 pm
Subject: Cream Panels
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Folks,

Has anyone out there got a D1 with no cream panels on the tank? My '54 D1
plunger has a plain green tank, just like the one on the first edition of Jeff
Clew's Haynes manual.

Any idea what this might mean? Coincidence? No cream paint in the tin?

Simon

#5792 From: David dale <dvd_dale@...>
Date: Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:52 pm
Subject: Re: [BSA Bantam] Effect of using unmatched crankcases?
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A Bantam engine I bought on ebay was highly polished throughout and I seriously thought about fitting it to one of my frames, on stripping it down to renew seals etc I found damage to one crankcase half, wanting to keep the polished state of the rest i considered replacing the damaged half and trying to get the same high standard of finish myself- imagine my suprise to find that the small stamped on numbers on bottom edge of cases bore no relationship to one another at all! every single number was different. yes, it's all been done before! David.


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